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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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If the rumours turn out to be true, how will this affect the board?
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>>18053220
Was one of those lame kids. Most of us recover and become human. It's only a few who get recruited by le edgy secret handshake clubs.
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>>18053239
Good, so you'll be applying the knowledge you received from Jesus to real life then? That requires reason.
The godless, by contrast, will claim to only use reason, but they had to start from axioms to do any reasoning. That requires faith.
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im gonna be completely honest bros, i like discussing politics and philosophy here more than any other board as im sure many here do too, but holy fuck i wish people here talked more about other stuff. this website needs a philosophy board so fucking badly. the discussion of novels and such here feels like its hitting all time lows and literally everything is just philosophy and by extension politics
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>>18046831
I am an atheist who is absolutely in favor /re/. I think it could have some interesting conversations (who am I kidding.) My hope is draws away some of the religion posters here away and makes this board slower.
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>>18046831
If it means that lit becomes a secular board, with all theological debate restricted to the /re/ I could get behind it

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>Tells people that it's not okay to be weak.
>Can't drink soft apple cider without almost dying.
Why do people live their lives based on this man's teachings?
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>>18049565
Ok gay boy lmao
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>>18049449
Because he had a YT meme vid backing up some incel insecure MAGA whimps
Of course they worship him ever since, because all their dads ever did was call them sissies for not playing sports and being too pussy to get laid
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>>18053400
Have sex faggot
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>'haha the man who was encouraging me to be introspective and work on my flaws has a disability now I don't have to do either'
Pretty ableist of you my dudebro, not cool
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>>18049855
Do you frequently fantasize about violence against the people who contradict you?
When did this start?

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Some primitive mysterious force is pulling my strings by giving me the illusion of having an "I" and making me think that I am the center of this universe, that my actions are totally beyond my psycho-physiological programming, that I am going to live for eternity, that this "I" is eternal and very significant, that there is redemption in this sinister world and that I am much more than food for worms.

Who is the puppet master of this comedy show, bros? Post books books on this topic.
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It's the demiurge.
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>>18051795
The Demiourgos is merely a nescient worldsponge which was once already defeated by Sofia and Saturn/Sabaoth; the current primary enemy, who usurped the latter by convening in contract with the former, and who continues to rule the world to this day, is Satan.
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>>18045911
Nice bro, reminds me of this passage from Moby-Dick

"But wherefore it was that after having repeatedly smelt the sea as a merchant sailor, I should now take it into my head to go on a whaling voyage; this the invisible police officer of the Fates, who has the constant surveillance of me, and secretly dogs me, and influences me in some unaccountable way—he can better answer than any one else. And, doubtless, my going on this whaling voyage, formed part of the grand programme of Providence that was drawn up a long time ago. It came in as a sort of brief interlude and solo between more extensive performances. I take it that this part of the bill must have run something like this:

“Grand Contested Election for the Presidency of the United States. “WHALING VOYAGE BY ONE ISHMAEL. “BLOODY BATTLE IN AFFGHANISTAN.”

Though I cannot tell why it was exactly that those stage managers, the Fates, put me down for this shabby part of a whaling voyage, when others were set down for magnificent parts in high tragedies, and short and easy parts in genteel comedies, and jolly parts in farces—though I cannot tell why this was exactly; yet, now that I recall all the circumstances, I think I can see a little into the springs and motives which being cunningly presented to me under various disguises, induced me to set about performing the part I did, besides cajoling me into the delusion that it was a choice resulting from my own unbiased freewill and discriminating judgment."
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>>18045911
>>18045998
It's the body itself my friend, with all the innate baggage attached to it through evolution.
The soul, which is capable of observing this illusion, is eternal however, and present in varying degrees within every human being.
Reject the fleshy cage you are trapped in and transcend your base material existence. It's ramadan, and there is no better time of year to fast and pray.
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>>18045911
>my actions are totally beyond my psycho-physiological programming, that I am going to live for eternity
This is true

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Are there any books that will teach me how to fix my absolute joke of a life. I don't even know where to start.
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>>18053452
Wtf are you talking about there’s a 99% chance he needs SS + GoMaD
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So easy even autists get it
https://www.succeedsocially.com/
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>>18053454
>Dude just follow my program
This is exactly the reason people get stuck and end up not doing anything at all
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>>18053447
my problem is that I only start from half the pyramid but can't, for the love of god, take care of the lower half

I never read books, wouldn't that mean I would be a very original, and therefore great writer, because I cannot copy from art I've never read?
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>>18053365
wow u talk just like the teacher in My Hero Academia


fair enough anon, im just kidding around and also curious about how easily influenced i am and was wondering how writers avoid influence so i made a bait thread
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While you could technically have had amazingly unique experiences in your own life that have inspired some interesting ideas that would be worth bring to the table, it is unlikely, if you don't read, that you'll be able to portray your particular insight effectively.
Writing disguises itself as a fireside story, told with ease and a natural deliberation. But it is far from that. It often follows cues from other works, from a structure you've been reading in other works your whole life. Something you only notice when it's not really there and you can't follow the thread of a narrative.

>>18053378
I'll post anyway just in case anyone even dumber than you is reading.
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>>18053378
Why would writers avoid influence?
Also shitty thread
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>>18053390
Actually very insightful anon ty

>>18053393
rude fuck u anon take it back

Because influence kills a lot of creativity in my opinion. I used to watch a lot of stand up, some of them never watch other comedians because of fear of subconsciously mimicking them. You can look at certain eras and places in comedy and you will see multiple people mimic the famous comedians around them at the time. I wouldn't want to watch those guys and you probably wouldn't either so I assumed the same for books.
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look at this penguin i found

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Is it the most complex book of all time?
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All of it is wrong. 1984 was written against totalitarianism
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>>18051572
i liked it. nice love story until it gets smashed
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1984 is a comedy based on the premise of "imagine Stalinism but in England lol"
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>>18051522
1984 is a leftist (neither socialist or anarchist, orwell never made up his mind) criticising Liberal Britain.

It isn't so hard to understand.
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>>18051540
Bruh

What other word do we have that effectively communicates the mixture of centralised government, strong police state, totalitarian beuracracy and anti-democratic sentiment?

What do you listen to while you read /lit/?

I like to put on some ambient soft tunes that don't impose on my mind and just fade in the background.
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>Tfw /lit/ has better music taste than /mu/
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I don't listen to music when I read but I really like the album Delaware and particularly the song Winona, that's shoegaze too so you might enjoy it OP
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>>18052057
some people don't have the luxury of absolute silence most of the time. noise-cancelling headphones and ambient music are a must

>t. has noisy neighbors
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>>18051926
Usually, I don't listen to anything, but when I do, I ALWAYS make sure the music I'm listening to fits what I'm reading.
Like for instance recently when reading Inherent Vice, I was listening to many of the songs mentioned in the book, along with other late 60's and early 70's hits.
Maybe throw on some choral music for paradise lost, or horror synth for house of leaves, you get me?
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>>18052857
It only "fits" by your standards, which may be flawed

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What does /lit/ think about R.J. Rushdoony, specifically his 1973 work "The Institutes of Biblical Law"? From what I have heard about him he sounds like a Calvinistic Maistre.
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Dominionism is basically the sad conclusion to Christianity, which makes its mask slip off and exposes it as nothing more than a totalitarian system of behavioral control, which is what it ultimately is
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>>18052925
He's based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgPMxDx0fU
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>>18052938
this

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Is this the answer? I've felt so "spiritually dead" and lonesome for quite some time, maybe most of my life. My basic needs are met, I'm healthy enough, have a job and good friends and good family, but something is definitely missing and I just can't put my finger on it. I read and enjoyed What the Buddha Taught - what should I read next? Or should I just dive into meditation?
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>>18051213
>mixing wrong view with right is again right view bro!!111

the state of bugmen
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>>18050702
>>I also recommend Understand Our Minds by Thich Nhat Hanh and The New Earth by Eckhart Tolle.
>I also recommend lsd
Ok this is a terrible advise by and for neo yuppies who delude themselves that living in the present moment is being enlightened. Also meditation is built on 7 previous things, you can't just go into samadhi without the condition triggering samadhi
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>>18052858
DO i even fucking need to meditate? I seriously can't stand it. I understand that a lot of people find it very useful, but it just isnt for me. I tried meditating several times for several weeks, and I noticed absolutely no difference in my state of mind. Anyway, recommend books
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>>18050269
>I don't want to blackpill you
Blackpill about what?
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>>18050193
>Is this the answer?
No.
t. got into it for a year

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Old Testament, Book of job, "Pascal to Rozanov?"
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>>18050727
Here, I'll post disparate quotes from Cioran, to see if they romp any undercurrents or suggestions from those having digested Judaism, & if they can, conversely, give any reciprocal tenor.
There's, meaning still around these text; meaning, well, pretty averse to Cioran, mostly interior; without citations. & I'd like to have a position to turn out my own.

>Conscious of his singularity, he thinks of it constantly and never forgets himself

>emancipated from the tyranny of local commitment, from the stupidities of enracinement, without attachments, acosmic, he is the man who will never be from here

>since their fault consists precisely of an excessive loyalty to themselves

>Thus their prayers have all the more merit in that they are addressed to a God without an alibi.

>The Jews have refused to recognize themselves in it: that would be to fall into the trap of happiness, to strip themselves of their singularity


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>>18051743
>host of characters united by a single will.. notion of ‘persevering in being” ...to the subsiding present, they oppose the aphrodisiac virtues of tomorrow. Becoming,,,process leading back to the being who projects, and projects himself; to the being disintegrated by hope

>If they had,... more successful way of not arriving, would that not suffice to assure them a relative immortality? Their last resort holds fast: it fails eternally

>The more fatality impregnates them, the more they revolt against it. Amor fati,..does not suit these people who have too much destiny to keep clinging to the idea of destiny … Attached to life to the point of seeking to remake it,...upon any system likely to confirm them in their illusion...

>If they live in an impasse, they reject it in their thoughts... ineluctable as against their miseries, they feel freer at the very moment when the worst should fetter their minds

>They make use of the notion of “progress” to combat the corrosive effects of their lucidity:..y, even these clearsighted minds, recoil before the last consequences of doubt...truly skeptical only if one stands outside one’s fate or if one renounces having a fate altogether. They are too engaged in theirs to be able to escape it...no Indifferenee among them...masquerade of confidences is only a way of hiding

>when they seem ruined, they catch themselves up,... born expatriates...the rest of us, apprentices of exile, latter-day déracinés, eager to attain to sclerosis, the monotony of collapse

>death the dominant idea of all exiles, as if, between them and it, there were no point of contact?...hey have managed to take a deliberately superficial attitude toward it... Perhaps, in remote ages, they granted it too much concern for death to bother them now...their quasi-imperishability :Whatever the reason, they have only life before them ...


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damn this dude really gets jews
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>>18050456

Read Rozanov himself. Sakharna, Apocalypse etc.
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>>18050456
He thinks Christianity is also Jewish?

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Why should I have to change the world if it suits to me so well?
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>>18053212
Because it doesn't suit you, you were made to suit it. You are a NPC.
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>>18053225
>>18053293
Based.
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They threw in that character and scene just so it can be turned into a social media platitude about diversity
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....if you dont want to change the world because it suits you you still need to be involved in politics because other people will take away everything you care about
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>>18053212
Those who are overly concerned with politics are weak people who are terrified of knowing themselves and scared of developing as persons. Politics and social media offer the best distraction from that, and the faux sense of purpose it entails serves these bugmen very well. They can now successfully ignore the deeper questions of their own existence forever in the pursuit of things "larger than themselves", yet they haven't even bothered with themselves to begin with.
Modern politics is the opium of ignorant bourgeois who live non-spiritual, materialistic lives. It's sad

I've read a couple WW2 war memoirs from British and nazi soldiers. I haven't read a single one from a Soviet soldiers perspective though, even though they took the brunt of the casualties in ww2 and fought all the way to Berlin.

I was wondering if anyone knew any good books about it, written by a Soviet veteran. Are there any worth reading?
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>>18053370
Read Vasily Grossman’s “A Writer At War”. He had a /lit/ sensibility and followed in the tradition of Tolstoy and Chekhov. He certainly wasn’t your average grunt but was not a count or doctor either and obviously he associated and spent time with a lot of grunts during the war

Why is traditionalism being picked up as a new boogeyman when it's a niche within a niche? Who the fuck cares about Guénon and Evola outside 4chan?
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>>18053296
Most internet users are only using heavily censored platforms. Those that are not censored are full of shills and iridescent African Americans. The only reason we can have this conversation so easily is because we're on a slow board.
I don't personally think fascism will work well in our time, but if you want to try I would recommend a more low-tech recruiting method. A dozen men who know each other well and are willing to put in work are better than a hundred /pol/acks. Once you have chapters in multiple areas, then you can coordinate on your own encrypted IRC.
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>>18053303
The only reason straight men ever join a Marxist group is the women are all degenerate sluts.
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It's really sad that the entire motivation for wanting to take Evola down, stems not from his main notable works (Revolt and Ride), but from Men among the Ruins, where he discusses the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and states that while there's certainly doubt about their authenticity, there's no doubt about how they match up with reality.
And even the most leftist, ardent anti-fascist (who ignores Evola was practically apolitical and legally cleared of all charges saying otherwise), has to wonder why an obscure aristocrat who was largely only read in new-age occult circles for the better part of 50 years in the English-speaking world suddenly needs to be tackled relentlessly on an Anime imageboard's literature board.
Not to mention the obvious Jewish author writing this. I mean, surely you can see that they are emotionally and politically invested in this beyond the actual relevance of Evola himself?
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>>18049052
absolutely soulless take, no suprise ur also a homosexual
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>>18053425
This

Is the Kindle Oasis worth investing in if I already own a Kindle paperwhite? My eyes are really bad if that helps
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>>18052552
Consider what you like about it and determine if it's worth it for you. Keep in mind you can resell a Paperwhite for pretty much the same proce you bought it for
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Depends how often you read underwater
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I haven't used Oasis, but it's probably not worth it
If I were to buy an e-reader again, I'd consider some other company than Amazon




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