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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.org/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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Commieblock edition

Previous >>16893162

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry

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>>16910237
>treat it as a stepping stone

But what if it does the opposite, and undermines my chances of success? Editors of the bigger journals turning their noses up and the like.
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>>16910856
too kinky.
Nathogea or Nathgea?
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>>16910966
Nutgaya
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>>16910966
>>16910990
Notgaya
Also known as Novum Homum, or Nohomo
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>>16910966
Nova Nigeris:
NoNigs

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If you aren't born with remarkable top 0.0001% genetic intelligence, why would you ever attempt to be anything other than "the last man"? You have no possible wisdom to hold or give, you cannot accomplish anything of note, the information of the greatest minds in history is already spread to every single person, there is no war you can sacrifice yourself for, I could go on but you get the point. Unless you are born with 180+iq and with a wealthy family who will support whatever Ubermensch-like idea you have, then in a world without religion or God you may as well live for comfort. Have I missed the point or is Nietzsche completely useless for 99.9999% of the population?
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>>16905037

>in a world without religion or God you may as well live for comfort

The whole point is that the only one who actually can live in such a world is the ubermensch who does so by creating it themselves
You are still coming at it from an angle where the world being without religion or god or whatever else is already decided for you and you are simply reacting to it by way of a deductive logical pattern which in itself reveals that you are in fact still living in that world
Think of it this way can even a 180 IQ person supersede an all knowing and all powerful god? No not even close in fact with such a massive gap the difference between the 180 IQ individual and the 90 IQ individual becomes completely meaningless and indiscernible. But that is exactly the point of the ubermensch that all humans are vastly inferior to god yet they must supersede him nonetheless for their own sake.
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>>16905115
I thought Nietzsche was specifically anti-cope?
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>>16905037
>Have I missed the point or is Nietzsche completely useless for 99.9999% of the population?

He kind of says that himself.
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>>16905037
we had this thread last week. Read Simone Weil.
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>>16905037
>>16905115
Two different versions of internerd virgin kiddos with zero life experience.
>"I can just assume what all of life is like and what the results of every attempt at everything would be."
You need more Jung and BASIC life experience, and less misunderstood Nietzschean Dragonball Z power masturbation talk. Everything you think you know, because you haven't actually experienced it, is a LITERAL fantasy. Not real, at all. Including about Nietzsche.
>"Trust me bro, I can just guess what is on every website without ever using the internet."
Leave your house and actually fucking talk to another human being. That's a significant goal for you today. You can become an ubermensch tomorrow. Lol.

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It'll be alright.
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what apps do you guys use for writing on your phone, notes and otherwise
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>>16910735
being the only physical bookstore for most people helps
fuck buying their stuff online though
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I've been reading Houellebecq in the original French to practice because I've been told that he's an easy author to read, and after the second book I'm starting to feel emotionally drained by this much bleakness. Could you recommend me some other French authors that are okay for people with an intermediate level of French and who are a little bit more cheerful?
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>>16911014
Arsène Lupin maybe? The author is Maurice Leblanc.
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love one another anons. seek to overcome your differences and come together, whoever it may be with.

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Is this supposed to be irony, to show how humans will never be happy?
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I'm sitting in a sweltering hot and humid room with no power, the smell of sweat, tinnitus, and a headache.
This is a good day.
Many days aren't this good.
I've had my therapists blessing to justifiably an hero.
But the Boulder is there.
I'm not sure why I need to push it
I'm fairly sure I don't even WANT to push it.
But I've been to the bottom so many times I have reserved seating.
I'm never going to see that mountain top.
I'm never going to find happiness along the way.
Somewhere in pushing that infernal thing I'll die alone and forgotten.
But I'm still going to push it.
Its how I know I'm alive
Me
My boulder

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>>16909091
how many philosophers are there really that aren't just flabby aristocrats? i can only think of socrates. imagine how intimidating it would be to have this swole stonemason/soldier swagger up to you in the marketplace and start dismantling your beliefs until you cry
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>>16905863
It's to show how hopeless the task of enlighening people is.
That you may try to roll that rock up that hill in many different ways but people love being stupid.
The rock is happy not the guy rolling it up the hill of understanding and knowlage.
You are that rock, ignorant, suborn and just will not move out of your ignorance unless forced.
Look to the words you use aganst the wise, know-it-all, nerd, loser, geek, onions-boy, and a host of the not so printable feminized flavers of unfit.
This is that sysyphusian task of bringing knowlage to savages.
Its not about some personal work or achivement its about uplifting stupid animals into a better world by force, rather then by wisdom.
As savages will not suffer wisdom only violence, brutality and force.
If words worked men would use pens instead of knives to fight.
Sooner or later sysyphus will smash the rock and haul its bits to the top and toss them over and be done.
So that is the history that has happend.
Violence as debate, continued to this day as men would rather be smashed to bits then learn of wisdom, reason, contract and God.
So no sysyphus is not happy, only driven for the moment to educate rather then destroy.
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>>16905863 will never be happy
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>>16908710
>In the end it's going to be irrelevant anyway BUT if you kill yourself you lose the only thing that you'll eve have: your life. Might as well check it out.

the issue is that in this world so many people are not living life. I'm young so i've still hope, but in a couple hours I have to go to my 9-5 job where I make some multiple time casino owner even more money. There's nothing to check out. Life isn't some mystical interesting experience that is worthwhile anymore. It's a fucking joke. Like a waking banal nightmare. Modern existence for most humans is hell. I don't know where we went wrong. Sometimes it seems old Ted was right. Even posting to you right now, this isn't life. Life is supposed to be something experienced, not something slept through. I've seen life for most people. Horrible. I've got to find the motivation to break out of this modal of being and If I can not I will kill myself as I really refuse to take part in this, the most dull and unfulfilling and unconnected time and version of life imaginable. Really I don't know how so many people are so calm when it's clear the individual is getting fucked so hard for the sake of the system.

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>>16910931
Never love a woman more than she loves you. The only way to keep a woman is to make her feel replaceable. Only give a woman a max of 90% of your love, you need a little left in case she isn't shit and up and leaves.
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nice thread
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>>16910959
if it's gay to love my fellow frog frens then i'm a flaming faggot
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>>16910984
I know all of this, I usually follow these guidelines, but this one caught me in a pretty bad time, and she was so perfect that I couldn't help but fall in love with her, I know it's retarded, but what can I do? What is done is done
I think my main issue is that I'm stuck in this hellhole, I want to see the sea, the mountain, I'm stuck and I can't take it anymore.
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>>16910950
a pedo on my board, imagine that

Is there any truth to this, is the west really collapsing?
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>>16909256
In history books the dates of the start and end of the western civilization will be 800ad - 1914ad. The west has already collapsed we’re merely living in the wreckage. Whatever is able to rise out of this rotting and degenerative mess at this point will be something entirely new and unique.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=58eXnwsSiEA
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oh, it's this thread again
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the west died 4 centuries ago
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>>16911002
if death was predetermined you'd be able to know the date you'd die on and the cause. but you have no such knowledge because death is a banal event such as your body not being able to function anymore with no other specifics. there is no determination in it let alone pre-determination.
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>>16911010
Thank you, I've been saying this for so long. I would change the dates from about 300 AD - 1800 AD, even if the effects didn't start to show until 1914.

Final day to submit--good luck!

The Pykewater Library is happy to kick off its first monthly writing competition with some classic Sci-Fi. The winner of the competition will receive a new copy of the illustrated Folio Society publication of Frank Herbert’s Dune.

Prompt: Please write an essay on the idea of outer space as a political frontier.

Conditions: Essays may be exploratory or argumentative in nature. Minimum of 250 words, maximum of 5,000. To enter, please submit in Microsoft Word format or as a PDF to pykewater@gmail.com with the subject line “Pykewater Challenge: Dune.” All essays should be submitted by 11:59 PM, Nov. 30th, 2020.

The winning essay will be announced by mid-December and will be featured on the Pykewater website.

Pykewater website: pykewater.com/pykewater-challenge

Folio Society website: foliosociety.com/usa/dune.html
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Hey rapture, how many submission yet? How many sent in only today lol?
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>>16910716
+1 so far today brings the total to 17.
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>>16911030
Neat, didn't expect so many to partake desu. Did you already read the earlier submissions? I sent you mine at least one or two weeks ago I guess

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Show me the 9 thinkers that influenced you most, /lit/

>https://www.kapwing.com/studio/editor
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also heraclitus
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>>16900355
cringe
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>>16910111
Didn't know you could "steal" a historical figure.
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>>16909172

Some of the conclusions of "the Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times" and ones of "The Crisis of Modern World" in many ways is a terminal illness diagnosis for our world - although Guenon states that we still have some hope and we can bring the Tradition back, recent world events made me so skeptical about it happening soon and also more depressed - I think the world really goes into the devilish darkness so deep that we'll never see at least some trace of light at our century
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>Aristotle
>Plato
>Parmenides (also Heraclitus)
>Rawls
>CS Lewis
>Levinas
>Thomas Nagel
>Christine Korsgaard
>Alasdair Macintyre

also, unfortunately,

>Herman Hesse

Books that will help me release my power?
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>>16909988
their fire was guided through books
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>>16910432
It would be easier for you to relate to losers
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The New Testament
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>>16910594
>release power with a slave religion
Lol
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>>16910136
Napoleon read a fucking lot of history books to the point that he preferred to buy books than gloves when he was a moneyless general in Paris, lots of bios and wanted to be a writer to the point to participate in contests (that he didn't win)

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>>16910888
Checked, the frog god wants us to be happy
anyway
(6/8)
(More /sci/ than /lit./, but oh well)
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>>16910900
(7/8)
In my opinion, this is the prettiest chart by far
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>>16910905
(8/8)
That's all, folks!
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Anyone with a Marquis de Sade chart?
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Anyone got a chart for westerns? I remember finding out Lonesome Dove through it

I’m just reading into the French Revolution and I’ve just reached the point where the Parliamentary aristocrats reject Louis proposals in 1788 and in doing so all but sealed the monarchy’s fate
As I draw closer to the events of the revolution itself I’m beginning to think there were some dark forces at play, what we see on the surface is only part of the truth
Can anyone dispel or prove my feelings on this event? Or point to any books on this matter?

Also I read somewhere a while ago about the psychological abuse that Marie Antoinette suffered during captivity being forced to admit incest with her son and other depraved acts. I’m wondering if there is any proof to this?
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I’ve always suspected that the eternal Anglo had some part in the more perfidious aspects of the revolution
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That painting is about the 1830 revolutionn anon.

Have you seen The Notables and the Nation by Gruder or The Fall of the French Monarchy by Vovelle?

I don't know about a parallel spiritual realm, but Edelstein's The Terror of Natural Right and Vovelle's The Revolution against the Church, might give some impression of the struggle for spiritual and religious authority at the time. Chartier's The Cultural Origins of the French Revolution might help generally as well.
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>>16908639
One major force at play was Marat and his apostles, i.e. the underground press.
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>>16908930
Damn, I love that podcast. Really got me into periods of history I'd never even heard of before.
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Hesse is supposedly beginner tier for the autists of /lit/. But how many of us are using literature to escape the world? I'm tired of living vicariously through books. Neither the Greeks nor Joyce will change the fact that we are alone and facile. Lofty ideas are wasted on impotent young men.
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>>16910868
What a bizarre, meandering, incoherent post. Are you ESL? What are you trying to say?
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It's the Wodehouse guy
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>>16910892
>What a bizarre, meandering, incoherent post. Are you ESL? What are you trying to say?
>how many of us are using literature to escape the world? I'm tired of living vicariously through books
Nigga what?
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>>16910868
>we are alone and facile
Speak for yourself bro
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>>16910868
I flat out did not get this book. Am i retarded?

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Planning on reading this book for the winter, just why are there two versions and should I get male or female?
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>>16910296
That depends, are you male or female?

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how hard is it to learn Japanese?
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>>16910840
>It’s not hard to get to a passable level in Japanese
this is kind of what I want. I'm aware that "fluency" is very unlikely for a european but I'd like to have a basic understanding
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>>16910693
Glossika is a really good platform for language learning. They have a sweet black friday deal that's 1/2 off for a year. So $150/year instead of the normal $300.

Research-based and very effective.

It's founded on the premise of lexical chunking with no explicit grammar instruction. You are given sentences in your native language and then given translations for your target language. They start out very simple but then build slowly in complexity. You learn the grammar naturally as you unconsciously start learning your target language's patterns.

Although the sentences may seem random at first, you'll see you start using the patterns found within them in more complex lexical chunks later introduced.

Glossika doesn't really teach reading or writing in your target language, but that's not what it's meant for. It's meant to get you to acquire the language and speak it as fast as possible. Then you can pick up the writing and reading portion later much easier.

Its purpose is to get you doing what we do naturally in real life with our first language – listening and repeating over an extended period in limited bursts.
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>>16910812
if you want to read, yes.
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>>16910902
thanks anon
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>>16910693
If you are a monolingual Anglophone it’s probably one of the most difficult there is. As people have mentioned learning to read and write is far more difficult than to speak, but even learning to speak it is very difficult because it has no structural similarity to English. You’ll be helped by the number of loan words from English there are but that runs out pretty quickly.




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