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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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I have finished with the Napoleonic era, including early America, so now I want to go back further.

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I've been looking online at the stats for the chance of success of publishing a book and its terrible.

Read and weep.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-writers-odds-of-succe_b_2806611
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I actually quit writing because all the rejection letters demoralized me.
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>130 million books published in human history
Crazy.
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Well, in order to live off your writings you need hundreds of thousands of people reading your book.
Considering people read less and less, and the average Reddit retard thinks he can write (and is probably working on his shitty retarded novel), you have a limited amount of potential readers and an increasing amount of shitty books being published. Of course, the odds that your book, even if it is great, is recognized for what it is, published and sold in great amounts, are extremely low.
People don't want to read good books anyways, just look at what people read on the subway, 95% of the time it's absolutely retarded.
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>>18497212
If the stats of publishing success are enough to stop you from writing, you were never going to make it in the first place. You're just another talentless hack who wants to look successful in the eyes of others, the writing itself is just a means to an end and not an end in itself.

> The person who commits suicide wills life

Unironically what did he mean by this
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>>18490470
Hes just like Hegel.
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>>18490470
Give me the German sentence and I will explain it to you
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>>18497319
What is there to bet, either you get her wet or you don't.
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>>18490681
I haven't. And this stuff is mostly content from his followers that corrected stuff from his writing. Mainly that you cannot Will a non-willing state.
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>>18497385
What about Mainländer's Will-to-Death?

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Ribofunk
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The Day Lasts More Than A Hundred Years
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Unabomber Manifesto
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Without Remorse - Tom Clancy
>>18497262
Blood Meridian, or Hard Choices by Hillary Clinton if you've already read it.
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>>18497313
Call of the Crocodile
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Naval Battle Edition

Previous Thread:>>18477055

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ

>Archive
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>A link to the ultimate colossal science fiction and fantasy collection torrent
>>>/t/1023504

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>>18491637
It's really quite good. Fucking bleak and cynical though, I almost dropped the series on the 2nd book of the first trilogy.

Second trilogy is good too, maybe not quite as unique as the first though that could be because I've been living in that world for so long now.
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>>18496828
>uncucked like Western /lit/
this is a meme because western lit is super cucked
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>>18496911
name five
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whats with all the hate for warhammer?
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>>18497306
From what I heard Wraight and Abnett are the only good writers, while there’s a lot of schlocky writers who suck.

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I'm writing a manuscript and considering doing something similar to what F Gardener does with this book. Buying ads. I've noticed other anons post their books here but they're often accused of being "shills" and not welcomed. Why does Call of the Crocodile get a free pass? I'm assuming this is because the writer already buys ads here for them. Have any others from here had luck with publishing their books? I would love to hear some success stories and their methods for doing it.

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Is the slave girl Achilles's wife? He said at some point something about his wife being taken away by matters of war. I though his wife was at home or something (or that he was single). Was it just the translation?
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>>18496342
The translation I'm using is not in English but google says the English equal is "consort".
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>Achilles's wife
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>>18496342
Briseis? She was his loot from some town they raided.
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>>18496352
Ok, I guess its just the translation. Odysseus and other greeks where trying to convince Achilles to come back but he said " I'm sad that my consort got taken away by matters of war" and I got confused if he was talking about Briseis or if he had a wife who had been taken away like Helen.
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>>18496393
that is the plot of the first chapter you fucking retard. achilles wanted a wife he was promised for winning a war, but the king decided to take her for himself

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I've been insanely invested in the lore of Dark Souls and other From Software games for a while now and it sparked a thought on how the hell could it be written in a concise manner? How would this open-ended, incomplete and at times even cryptic way of telling a story and building a world work in prose or epic poetry, I have had ideas of my own to write similar things but I just cannot think up any means to do so in a way that would feel complete and form a whole. Anyone else thought of this /lit/?
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>>18497170
I think epic poetry is probably the only way to do the aspects that make DS interesting with any justice. You could write a novel with archaic prose, but it wouldn't really hit the fragmented and loose narrative that Dark Souls nails. Unlike The Cantos, or in general imagist / objectionist poetry.
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>>18497233
The Cantos seem as close to what I was looking for as possible it seems. The fact that they're not complete and very fragmented also is a major fact.
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>>18497260
I have been repeating a lot of words in a lot of these posts, I apologize as this is /lit/ and all text must be sufficiently formatted but that does not apply to a faggot like me who has not slept for an entire day.
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>>18496739
never read it but I heard Dracula is written in the style of fragments and incomplete articles, kinda similar to how dark souls loosely connects the dots and slowly expand and reveal stuff while also hiding things and concealing mysteries.
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>>18497369
It is pieced together through newspaper excerpts and diary entries but the story is pretty cohesive and linear and moves forward at a pretty steady pace so it doesn't fit the cryptic disjointed and fragmented story of the Souls series.

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Embrace your shadow
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>>18496409
>Mental health, treated as a commodity,
like i said, its impossible have one thing and the other. if mental health crumble psychoanalysis will crumble with it.
you said this mental health is bad and this mental health is good. and what?. my point is that psychoanalysis is limited by his therapeutic motives to really understand the mind. and who cares?. i only want to feel good!!.
you see a commodity as something bad. but psychology intrinsically propose to people how should behave. to me that is what is dubious and dirty, that proposition based in a supposedly better knowledge, i dont care the fact that it become a commodity some time or another.
anyway people like to be guided. like i said in previous posts, the psychiatrists (psychoanalists in the past) are spiritual enforcers in this society, even if they substitute spiritual realm with psychiatric knowledge. in the end your differentiation between social media "mental health" and real "mental health" is just a hipster differentiation. i understand you but you can see its really the same if you scrub a little.
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But none of this is literature
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>>18487358
Coom on your shadow.
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>>18491427
Nope
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>>18496125
freud

Not-anime Edition!

Any progress on your novels?

Previous thread:>>18470046

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

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>>18497326
i like it. At first i was a bit aprehensive to the second paragraph and the "stupid glory" thing, but then i realised the protagonist is supposed to be a bit arrogant.
I'm not sure dead animals smell right away, even if it's gore... but if you're sure about this, keep it. The premise seems interesting.

About the boring discussion about anime: no one is saying "don't write weebshit". All people are complaining about is that the people with more time on their hands kinda are skewing the threads into something that a lot of people don't wanna be part of. There's a difference between that and telling people not to write what they want.
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>Thinking anyone who disagrees is the thread-camper
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>>18497326
You don't understand. There was a weeb who would camp threads so he could constantly spam weeb images. Mods even deleted OP images because some were pretty close to being pornographic. He was advertising it as an anime writing general, but it's not an anime writing general. He refused to compromise, didn't let anyone else make a thread. So, how can someone come here expecting good feedback, when the ones giving feedback only write and consume anime? Those images only attract those "writers". Would a non-fiction writer want his worked critiqued by solely fiction writers? No, right. There has to be variety and that's where the conflict lies. The OP's were also lazy, and copy pasted and never changed.

I don't care what they write, I even critiqued a few excerpts that were anime style writing. The guy is still here, it's >>18497349, and he's spamming the same weak arguments like his images. "herr ngmi".

This place is the same as it was a few months back, dude's going to camp the thread and spam it till he has the opportunity to make a new one, probably has one already ready.
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>>18497349
>being this butthurt when your thread gets delet
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>>18497373
Not even the anime OP, nor a animefag for that matter, I’ve seen your kind since /crit/ days as far back as 2017.

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Just finished pic-related, interesting read about how advertising has increasingly infiltrated our lives.
>Advertising on radio was initially controversial and deemed annoying because people thought their homes should be a haven from it.
>The advertising industry has repeatedly advanced the counterculture to make a quick buck. Before an aggressive marketing campaign in the early 20th century, for example, it was taboo for women to smoke, but advertisers subverted this and made it cool.
>Advertising has its roots in literal quack medicine and snake oil salesmen. There was eventually a great backlash against it, and the industry was disgraced until governments used its techniques to spin propaganda during World War I.
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>>18496562
In some respects yes, this is how we solve problems. The scale however of it is no longer confined at all, and that's the central issue, because there have always been techniques. The result of technique on a global scale is that the same means are applied everywhere. This destroys locality, culture, etc.
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>>18496421
the technification of the earth is literally entropy compliance. it's satanic.
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>>18496725
Okay, so the issue is global homogenization, but I don't see why it would destroy all localized culture and not just specific practices?
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>>18496746
why does the book exist in the same format as it did 500 years ago? Perhaps because of what you call "technique". Once the ideal book shape and function was found, it stayed the same and became standardized, and innovation shifted to a new arena. Nothing wrong with any of that.
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>>18496789
It doesn't exist in the same form at all. The techniques for making a book 500 years ago involved workshops and monasteries using elaborate techniques to create vellum, then copying by hand the writing of different books (each workshop had its own distinct shorthand that has evolved into what are now considered fonts), then folding the vellum into folios and sewing them together before binding the whole thing in cloth of calf hide. A book created 500 years ago was an intensive labour project and a veritable work of art.
Now most books are sold as ebooks, and if they exist physically at all its as a perfect bind- a marked decline in quality.

Today is the Day edition

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>>18497297
god i wish i were the redhead
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still trying to figure it out on what i want from life

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Post 'em!
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>>18488582
> have they been added to the MEGA folder of charts?
I get around to it when I get around to it, as it says in the MEGA. As a reminder, this is linked in the MEGA, but I don't know how many people have seen it, anyone can anonymously upload to this folder and I'll see them. Unfortunately and fortunately, it doesn't automatically make them public.
https://mega.nz/megadrop/mcId0tMu0xM
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note: this too is in the mega
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>>18488362
Dracula
>Nosferatu shadow
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>>18488446
Is there any genuinely good /lit/ from this chart and not just being edgy for the sake of edge? Only one I've read from this is blood meridian.
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>>18497347
From these I've read

>120 Days of Sodom
Exactly like the film, transgressive political satire with edgy rape and cophrophilia for the sake of it

>A Season in Hell
It's great, not even "disturbing", but a very emotionally volatile and cathartic poem

>American Psycho
Like the movie but boring and meandering, for the sake of making and forcing the point of the main character's empty and vain lifestyle. The film was better but the novel can be beautifully schizo at times

>Blood Meridian
You already know


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I met some Russian film makers in Scotland who were making a documentary about our national poet Robert Burns, and found out he is/was a big deal in Russia? Any Russians here able to verify?
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>>18493954
He was popularized in USSR by Samuil Marshak who made translations of his poems (which I find to be very good). I am not from Russia, but from a post-soviet country, and he (Burns) is also known here, mainly through Marshak's translations.
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>>18494780
They aren't exactly spoiled for choice up there when it comes to intellectuals.
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>>18496947
https://youtu.be/6jJkdRaa04g
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None of the Scottish poets mentioned in this thread come anywhere close to Burn. I've read that he was big in Russia but I don't know much about it, he was also translated several times by major poets in early 20th century China

here's two Soviet-era versions of Burns's songs by Georgy Sviridov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkRpgDSB1Ow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUGH6t2srA

and some other takes by non-Russian composers

Beethoven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voK9QvLJz68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOcpu6Y4yE

Haydn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxhq5Y7wGSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPi-NKd7kI

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