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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers? Open this thread for some recommendations.

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I finished reading Le Colonel Chabert
I think it was quite tough but not overwhelmingly so
Which novella should I read next? I found the book to be difficult enough that I have been intimidated too much to start reading a novel

As someone who started learning French because of an enthusiasm for Napoleon, I found the Napoleon stuff to be very moving to the point of tears
>Vous ne pouvez pas savoir jusqu’où va mon mépris pour cette vie extérieure à laquelle tiennent la plupart des hommes. J’ai subitement été pris d’une maladie, le dégoût de l’humanité. Quand je pense que Napoléon est à Sainte-Hélène, tout ici-bas m’est indifférent. Je ne puis plus être soldat, voilà tout mon malheur
I really enjoyed the shadow that Napoleon had cast over the society presented in the novella

Also one positive which is at the same time a difficulty for a beginner like me, is how detailed and lived in the world feels which really surprised me
For me it was a 9.5/10 novella
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>>23195853
damn jason sudeikis really let himself go
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>>23195853
Good job anon. Ever thought of reading Molière? His comedies are pretty fun (Le bourgeois gentilhomme, L'Avare) and not too hard if you have a bit of patience. Good short reads.

For a step back in difficulty, try L'extension du domaine de la lutte by Houellebecq. Short and very easy.

A place for discussion about self improvement and self improvement books. Post any related questions or recommendations here.
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self improvement books are a sham
motivation for self improvement must come from within
the true path towards improvement is obvious if the desire is already within you
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>>23196427
I've been editing my book 4 days a week for around hour or two a day past 6 months. I still feel like I'm not doing enough.

I suppose it's just the fact I'm early 30s now and time is fleeting as I notice the beginning signs of getting older; the pressure to accomplish my goals is weighing on my shoulders.
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I recently found a book called Old Icelandic An Introductory Course from Oxford which seems pretty decent
What skills are you learning /sig/?
Any good woodworking books you're reading atm?

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/lit/ has produced multiple collaborative projects and periodicals over the years. Many of these projects are now defunct, and the few that are still active seem to have uncertain trajectories. There are also solo writers who frequent /lit/ and—for better or for worse—their namefagging and shilling has impacted the culture of this board.

This thread is for the discussion of the history of /lit/ writing and the future of /lit/. To those that have been involved in previous /lit/ collaborative projects, such as The Lit Quarterly, Pinecone, The April Review, miniMAG and &amp: what were your experiences like? Does the drama and infighting surrounding so many of these /lit/ collaborative projects inevitably result in their dissolution? Do you think that /lit/ has anything valuable to offer for aspiring writers, in terms of critique or support?

Additionally: Are there any new projects in the works? What do you think is next for the so-called /lit/ renaissance? And now that a /lit/ author has finally gotten a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house, do you think that more of our authors are likely to see similar success?

Mega archive of /lit/ periodicals:
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>>23196363
Where are you submitting it?
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>>23196363
Keep your head high, don't let them put stupid ideas in your head. Don't give into FOMO because that is how manipulators get their way. That's people who do not even read, at least critics read and give suggestions even when they're misguided. It may have been Oscar Wilde who once stated that lousy artists tend to be the ones to lead more interesting lives, at least in appearance. Maybe this will remind you of someone here.

WAGMI
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>>23194754
He’s not fucked in the head???? he has a good heart you don’t know and he’s not fucked in the head ,????
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>>23196363
Are you ari he always says pal??? He always uses that word He always says that he always says pal???
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>>23196376
&amp anthology for now.
>>23196412
>FOMO
I'm guessing you mean the Bohemian lifestyle. I don't envy the life of excess, I've seen too much of it before.

previous >>23191707
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>>23196322
What's the difference between hits and engagement? The latter means comments or feedback, right?
Either way, unless you're trying to make a career out of it, don't worry too much. Just write for yourself if you want to. If not, that's fine too.
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>>23196110
One day you'll choke your dick for the last time
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there's never anything to write in my journal besides what book I'm reading and what video game I'm playing
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I watched him from behind the fallen trash. His name was "Buddy," at least, that's all I knew him as. Sometimes they called him "Bud," or "Tendy," or "Munchkin"— but to list all of the names they give him would bore even me. I never hated Buddy, and he never hated me either; many times, I would sit from my spot behind the trash just to observe him. Sometimes he would sleep, sometimes he would play, I always loved to watch him from afar. We rarely interacted— I saw to that. I remember the first time that he saw me the hairs on his back stood on end. My heart raced, of course, as the heart of any one such as myself would. I have never really been "acknowledged"— I suppose Buddy was the first one to truly perceive my existence or, really, to make me the sole object of their attention. It flattered and terrified me, and I realized that I would have to hide, regretfully, in my hole behind the trash.

Buddy's nimble footsteps raced behind me as I dug through the garbage. I could feel his small paw clutch at my tail, though it was too late. I had gotten into my hole. I knew he had in mind to kill me, to eat me, to rend my flesh between his teeth— that was alright. I knew he had no hatred in his heart. All that mattered to me was that there was someone that wanted me; For what, I don't care. Buddy became my only friend.
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>>23196362
>spend hours throwing a tantrum on 4chan
>but it's other people who are mentally ill
?

Is it good? People have a mixed view on this series.
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I read the first one. Sure, the writing style is engaging, but all the characters are either hilariously evil or frustratingly stupid, and the story built on "HAHA EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED" moments. Don't want more.
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>>23186593
It's a literal ass-pull.
Meaning he pulled it out of his ass blindly and didn't have enough imagination to steer the series after its initial 3 book successes.
He is a hack.
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>>23190358
I actually agree. I don't think his work itself is nihilistic, despite his blog posts being doomer porn. We'd have to see the end of his series, tho, to really draw a full conclusion of that
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>>23190255
So wait, you call George R.R. Martin a pedo but then you say you want him to finish the books as if you're a fan?

You'd think you wouldn't be so much of a fan of GoT by your use of disparaging language.

Quite contradictory logic you got there.
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>>23186593
The prose is so bad that I find it unreadable. But most dumb people read things for the plot, which is apparently entertaining.

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How do I get rid of TikTok brain? It's interfering with my desire to read. Just getting myself to sit down and read one chapter is a pain with my shortened attention span. I had never even owned a fucking cell phone until I was 28 and now I'm addicted.

I'm considering replacing my current phone and buying a lousy phone for just talk and text so I can start devouring more books like I've been wanting to. It really feels like social media is destroying hobbies such as book reading and living and going out/learning more about life.

I'm also interested in writing short stories on the side and working hard for a long time until I can perhaps get one published in a magazine, and would like to have a better attention span and interest in writing them.

Any advice /lit/?
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>>23195846
Say TikTok out loud, keep repeating it. See how stupid it sounds? Well, not only is it stupid, but it is a direct reference to the moments you waste every day doing absolutely nothing. And at the end of all the Tiktokking, you literally die. Your choice.
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>>23195846
I’m sure this suggestion will get shit on, but read 19th century literature incessantly. To make any sense of it your brain will have to shape up. It will feel like work for a while. Don’t give up a quarter way through your first book. Plough on.
It’s my theory that the vast majority English speakers 25 and under couldn’t make through a single
>Dickens
>Henry James
>Hardy
>…
due to the damage done by smartphones
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>>23195967
this, also it’s stupidly simple but either delete these apps, block websites like twitter, or set time limits (less effective because you can simply extend it)
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>>23195846
Have you considered just taking brief breaks in your reading? If you can only read for 10 minutes, then maybe read 10 minutes before walking your dog or something and then read another 10 minutes. At 20 minutes a day you aren't breezing through books, but you are making progress. Also, drinking tea or coffee while reading can give your hands something to do. Or if it is a body at rest kind of thing, then you can read in a chair that can rock. Sometimes it's the small stuff that makes the biggest difference in your reading experience. I am very ADD, so I do all of these things.
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>>23196097
I second this.

Something I've started doing to claw myself back from the brain rot pit is reading before bed, and right after waking up. It gives me something to focus on and comprehend before starting/ending my day.
I also struggle with severe anxiety / panic disorder, so this might not work for everyone.

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I have something so special today. This literally happened today, so I will explain the story as it happened.

I have been hunting for The King of Elfland's Daughter (1924), the first edition which was a limited print of 200 oversized, vellum bound on the highest quality thick paper, with a hand drawn frontispiece by Sidney Sime, and signed by Lord Dunsany himself with his quill pen.

Of course, since this book is now 100 years old, and being that the dust jacket is oversized and not even cut to fit the size of the book, it is incredibly scarce to find one with the dust jacket intact, let alone in good condition. I would say I have seen 2 in the last 7 years with the jacket, and only one near the condition as you see it today.

But anyway, I finally found a book dealer a year ago who had an example with the dust jacket intact. I had been talking to him about selling it for a very long time, until today I finally drove to his book store (now his house) which was 4 hours away. When I arrived there, I saw something on his table that I did not expect.

There on the table was The King of Elfland's Daughter, but not the example we had talked about beforehand. The other set had the intact dust jacket, but the papers were heavily foxed, and the jacket was badly creased at the top. What I saw on the table was the most perfect example of this book probably in existence.

He goes on to tell me that this is his own personal copy he has had since 1972, and that he was giving it to me instead of the other one.

I was completely shocked. Never had I ever expected to find an example like this. He never once mentioned he had a second copy. It's so perfect it even still has the clear covering of the frontispiece. No foxing, the jacket is immaculate and not folded at the top.

It's just unbelievable, and the pictures to follow may certainly be the greatest documentation of this groundbreaking tale of fantasy on the internet.

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>>23196293
Again, take your meds, OP. You’re mentally ill
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>>23196304
This is the prototypical response of someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time stalking random people on 4chan
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>>23196271
I don't own many books with these ribbon markers. Is it possible to repair?
>>23196058
>but can I ask why you love it so much?
It's simply the greatest fantasy tale ever written. It's very dreamlike, and the prose is fantastic (most people probably cant stand the prose). I for one love Dunsany and his writing (he never edited his work, he always went with the first draft)
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Written in a bold, flowing script in Dunsany's inimitable quill pen, in the original mailing envelope, postmarked Druim Riogh, 24 March 1924.

A seven-page letter from Dunsany to 'A. Matthews, Esq., College Sanatorium, 21 Kingsgate Street, Winchester, Hanks, England'. On Dunsany Castle letterhead. Dated March 23 [1924]; amongst other things, it states

>"My novel, I am glad to say, is finished. I began it on May 10th last year, and finished it on March 5th, though in that period I got in a little hunting and a certain amount of London (which leads more to talking than writing) and shot 4 Geese, 1 widgeon, 23 ducks, 12 teal, 51 woodcock, 353 snipe, 102 partridges, 66 pheasants, 53 pigeons, 8 green plover, 19 hares, 210 rabbits, and 42 various. I have put them in about the order in which I value them. The novel is called The King of Elfland's Daughter. I penned by 200 words my goal of 70,000 words and then stopped with a sigh of relief, and now I almost miss it. It will be at the very end of the Spring Publishing season. Tell me if you like it, i f it comes your way."

By his own count, the blood of 944 small birds and animals went into the writing of the novel. One can only imagine him sitting in his castle library, writing high fantasy with his quill pen and blasting away at anything that moves outside his window. Perhaps the reason nobody alive has ever seen a Unicorn is that Dunsany himself bagged the last ones, listing them here as simply 'various'....
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>>23196278
It's a children's story about racing. It was published in 2002 by the now defunct website www.booksnstuff4u.com. All the illustrations are old clipart.

I have doxxed Gavin and it looks like he is pursuing his childhood passion. He has grown up to become a prizewinning motorcycle racer. I am very proud of him.

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Cual es tu novela latinoamericana favorita y por que es Pedro Paramo?
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>>23196434
>LAS REGLAS DE LA GRAMÁTICA ESTÁN, PORQUE DETERMINAN CÓMO DEBE ESCRIBIRSE PARA UNA COMUNICACIÓN EFICAZ, SIN IMPORTAR LA CIRCUNSTANCIA, O EL SITIO.
Te contradices aquí. Mejor ya para de humillarte, tremendo autista.
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>>23196434
La academia le quitó la tilde a sólo y éste, ya no quiero saber nada de ellos.
Su modelos es otorgar becas y concursos a los que hacen cambios, por lo que a cada rato hacen esos cambios chicos y molestos.
Hasta por ahí del año 2000 no incluían ninguna de las formas verbales que usamos en América. Sigue siendo una institución principalmente centrada en España que luego buscan aplicar sus reglamentos a otros registros de la lengua. Y no es solo que está centrada en España, si no que está centrada en un español madrileño. La inclusión de palabras de origen americano es lenta, y por obvias razones incluye palabras de los países más grandes antes que las de los más chicos, dejando a estos fuera.
Todos los países de América tienen su propia Academia conformada por escritores, dramaturgos, académicos y profesores nacionales.
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>>23196443


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>>23196447

>La academia le quitó la tilde a sólo y éste, ya no quiero saber nada de ellos.

«SOLO», Y «ESTE», SON PALABRAS GRAVES TERMINANTES EN VOCAL; NO DEBEN LLEVAR TILDE ACENTUAL, Y LA DIACRÍTICA NO ES NECESARIA.


>Su modelos es otorgar becas y concursos a los que hacen cambios, por lo que a cada rato hacen esos cambios chicos y molestos.

DESVARÍO.


>Hasta por ahí del año 2000 no incluían ninguna de las formas verbales que usamos en América. Sigue siendo una institución principalmente centrada en España que luego buscan aplicar sus reglamentos a otros registros de la lengua. Y no es solo que está centrada en España, si no que está centrada en un español madrileño. La inclusión de palabras de origen americano es lenta, y por obvias razones incluye palabras de los países más grandes antes que las de los más chicos, dejando a estos fuera.

DESVARÍO.

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Lean Onetti putas
T. Gringo

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Orphic edition

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>23158254

NOTE: replace ' dot ' with an actual dot to access the links below
>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

Feel free to write your thoughts/stories/etc... in your target language.

>Work in progress FAQ

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>>23194651
Assume in the far future all knowledge of Greek and Chinese are lost, modern and ancient. Which writing system stands a better chance of decipherment, logographic or alphabetic?
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So LLPSI
Then Vulgate
If I want to read medieval Latin?
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>>23196359
You need to get to the level of the classical authors DESU
Medieval authors are a lot more classicizing than many let on
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>Check general
>Chinese still being mentioned
>Close tab
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>>23196295
Neither? Applying Linear B values to Linear A hasn't yielded a recognisable language. Meanwhile, Egyptian wouldn't have been deciphered had Champollion not been versed in Coptic.

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Haven't seen a thread for this in a while. Has this list been updated, also have any anons read any of these? If so what are your thoughts?

I remember The Consumer having a short story that stuck with me for a while. The story in question: The Coward. I don't think I've ever been so disgusted by a piece of literature before I read that story.

Anons share books/experiences with this subject in mind.
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>>23192007
Surprised there's no AS Byatt
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>>23194870
Death on Credit was already present on the previous dark and disturbing chart, and a number of anons had shown their praise of the book during the creation of the new chart. (This chart is very much a collective effort, and I tried to collect as many opinions/arguments for the inclusion/removal of works on the chart.) Admittedly, one anon said that the amount of humour in the novel made him find it weird to put it alongside novels such as Hogg or Sotos' works.
Were I to make the chart again today, I might've removed it, but I'm not sure.

>>23194881
No one has mentioned Byatt in the discussions during the creation of the chart. Out of curiosity, which work/s do you think would be a good inclusion?
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>>23184205
Has this list been updated?

Yes, the updated list now includes works by Peter Sotos, Dennis Cooper, and Jamie Stewart.
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>>23192007
Is anything here known for it's prose?
Or is it simply shockslop?
Read:
Steps
Zombie
Story of the Eye
Perfume
Enjoyable enough but I don't remember being
too impressed with the prose?
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The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang

Book was so hard to write it drove the author to suicide a short number of years after the books publication

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WHAT ARE THE "TWO TOWERS" THE TITLE IS REFERRING TO (THE BOOK, NOT THE MOVIE)
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Barad Dur and Orthanc
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I thought one was the tower in mordor and the other was where the asshole wizard lived where the ents wrecked his shit
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>>23196453
my dick
and ya mum's dick faggot
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>>23196457
the first one doesn't appear in the book
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>>23196453
Orthanc and Barad-dur

Zoomers don’t read, let’s not try and ignore the obvious. So gen x and millennials are the last fantasy novel consumer demographic. The zoomers will simply not be buying those huge doorstop fantasy novel series. Just imagine a zoomers face when you tell him the 1,200 page fantasy book is just part one of eight in a series. You what what the zoomer will do. The zoomer will just look up a three paragraph summary of what the series is about move on if the zoomer is mildly interested. So is the fantasy’s novel genre basically done for?
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>>23196455
>The zoomers will simply not be buying those huge doorstop fantasy novel series.
That's a good thing. Brando Sando is shit and shouldn't be read by anyone. Zoomies are based for not reading this slop.

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>Myrnas not coming to save any of us
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>>23196148
Does the greatest American novel need a reason to be popular? Maybe this board's acquiring taste.
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>>23196148
>being surprised a novel about a malodorous neet incel is popular on 4chan

??
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>>23196148
>why is a famous novel being discussed on a literature forum? Omg did this go viral on tiktok???
Posts like this are the reason zoomers get so much shit.
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>The west has fallen
>Millions must pursue theology and geometry
We need an Ignatius chudjak
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>>23196404
I think Ignatius is more complex than just a generic chud. He's more interested in passively bloviating his own intellect than he is in actually confronting any form of coherent political structure. He's an odd mix of detached pseudointellectualism and nostalgia for a pre-modern reality he barely even really understands.

>An orgy ensues and the sequence ends with Encolpius and Quartilla exchanging kisses while they spy through a keyhole at Giton deflowering a seven-year-old virgin girl
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>>23196005
>deflowering a seven-year-old virgin girl
you mean rape?
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>>23196005
Man I wish we had the whole thing. Very fun read.
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>>23196005
Fellini was going to film this part but the censors wouldn’t allow it. Fun fact
>>23196023
The scene in question is a parody of Roman marriage custom. The marriage is a very by the books look at a wedding ceremony of that era and the humor lies in the unorthodox ages of the wedded duo.
>>23196102
I do too. I wish we at least had the scene where Encolpius sleeps with Lichas’s wife and where he desecrates the temple of Priapus setting off the events of the story. The full book is theorized to be as long as Remembrance of Things Past.
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FELON'S CINEMATIC BASTARDIZATION OF PETRONIVS' NOVEL IS ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS FOR THE NOVEL'S CURRENT MISINTERPRETATION AS NOTHING MORE THAN PORNOLITERATURE; THE OTHER MAIN FACTOR IS NESCIENT VULGARS.


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