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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers? Open this thread for some recommendations.

I know RC Cola over here is overdoing it a bit, but in many ways it’s better than wearing graphic tees, hoodies, sweatpants and jeans all day...
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REJECT FAG ACEDEMIA
EMBRACE NEOFOLK

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Other than Greek mythology, what are some good books that exemplify the "Hero's Journey"?
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Not lit but the original Star Wars trilogy unironically perfects the Hero's Journey
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Harry Potter
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>>19470545
Kitty looks like he's having a rough go of it :(
Hope he's okay now...
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The Chronicles of Prydain
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>>19470595
I just got a beat up mutt, so at least one cat in dire straits is now safe and sound.

Is this supposed to be a woman's fantasy about getting railed by powerful chad entrepenours?
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>>19468049
Dorian Electra literally describes this, you know?
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>>19467323
Jew‘s fantasy of gentiles being too preoccupied with money to make families communities art or societies
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>>19468375
I hate libertarianism and really hate Ayn Rand, but this criticism of her is really stupid. She spent her entire life paying into social security and so is perfectly entitled to use that money if she needs it. Using libertarian logic, you can just call it a mandatory emergency fund that the government controls. As long as you don't take out more than you put in (and I'm pretty sure Rand didn't), then there's no hypocrisy there for a libertarian.
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>>19467323
Had to stop reading halfway through. Amazed that I got that far, honestly.
My favourite part besides the chapter-long sentences was that every single country on Earth besides the USA was called the People's Republic of X. Very subtle and sophisticated political commentary there.
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>>19467323
it's a book by a woman you have to expect it
she describes commies and bureaucrats well
finish it and learn something

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>But God does exists...
How was Marcus so sure about that? He doesn't really provide any evidence for his claim.
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>>19469591
>it is a dialogue between different ancient schools (Stoics, Epicureans and Platonists)
You mean Stoics, Epicureans and Academic Sceptics. It was Plato’s Academy but it wasn’t Platonist at that time.
>On the Nature of the Gods is a dialogue where Cicero himself does not actively participate
Cicero’s views align with the sceptic speaker Cotta though. The first quote is from the introduction written in Cicero’s own pen
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>>19469613
There is no hard distinction between members of Plato's Academy and "Platonists." It always depends on the person.
>Cicero’s views align with the sceptic speaker Cotta though.
Cotta in the same dialogue refutes Velleius (the Epicurean) and goes on to argue the role of the gods in active creation. And if you go on to read Cicero's other works like I said you'll notice he repeatedly comes back in defense of Plato's cosmology and theology.
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>>19469452
>I just wrote an epic comment r*ddit
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>>19469604
Marcus, you should've hid it better if you didn't want anyone to read it.
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Did Stoics consider morality to be subjective or objective?

St. Anthony Edition

What Orthodox literature have you been reading lately? Planning on attending Divine Liturgy on Sunday?

Recommended Literature
>The Orthodox Study Bible
>EOB (New Testament):
https://ia601509.us.archive.org/9/items/new-testament-the-eastern-greek-orthodox-bible/New%20Testament%20%28The%20Eastern%20Greek%20Orthodox%20Bible%29.pdf
>The Orthodox Church by Kallistos Ware
>The Orthodox Way by Kallistos Ware
>The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church by Vladimir Lossky
>God’s Revelation to the Human Heart by Fr. Seraphim Rose
>The Soul After Death by Fr. Seraphim Rose
>The Orthodox Veneration of the Mother of God by St. John Maximovich


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roooootate attempt
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>>19470859
>I just can't say that there's not salvation and sainthood outside of Orthodoxy as well
That seems like classic demonic temptation, anon. The demons show you evil acts of Orthodox people and somehow from this you conclude that if other people act in a secularly good way, there is salvation for them and the sacraments are somehow false. Salvation isn't works based, otherwise even some rabbinical Jews will be saved. And there is no goodness except for Christ's, no man is righteous onto Himself, but only by participation in Christ's righteousness. In the end times there will be no war and there will be secularized/paganized world peace, but the catch is that it will be established by Antichrist.

Arianism was a worse crisis than covidism, literally all churches in the East were given over to Arians and the Orthodox revival started from a small house church made by St. Gregory the Theologian. I think it is secretly a blessing from God to expose all the ills which were hidden before it all started happening. God does allow turmoil for His Church precisely for this reason, just open the Old Testament.

>I know an old Greek woman who has gone to confession twice in her life and she is one of the most God-filled people that I have met
St. Mary of Egypt also received Christ's body only twice IIRC. For some people this is enough but the exception doesn't negate the rule.
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Hymns on Paradise — St Efrem the Syrian
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Here is the real truth about what happens to members of other denominations after death.
>Roman Catholics
Go to an infinite realm of courts where angelic judges determine whether they made it to heaven or not based on increasingly minute criteria in a process that is actually eternal.
>American Protestants
Go to Protestant Heaven, which is ruled by Ronald Reagan (pbuh) and in which there is no dancing or rock 'n' roll allowed and which mostly resembles a Florida retirement community.
>Mormons
Go go Mormon Hell, where they are forced to swim in fiery caffeinated beverages while demons shaped like Starbucks cups flail at them forever.
>JWs
Spend eternity going door-to-door in Hell bringing copies of The Watchtower to the world's most uninterested demons.
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>>19470887
I'm not concluding that the sacraments are false. Just that living a life walking with Jesus Christ is efficacious as well. Some of the most righteous people I know are protestants. They live by the Spirit of God, and I think they walk a fine and dangerous line because they don't have Holy Tradition, but Salvation is by faith. Do you really think that St Francis of Assisi is not with Christ in the Eschaton? Or Julian Norwich? Are all the Catholic miracles fake?

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So, according to Spengler, Russia is supposed to be entering its springtime period now. That means we should expect to see the Russian equivalents of Hesiod, Pherecydes, Mani, Plotinus, Aquinas, and Dante in this century. Are yall excited?
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>>19470143
Your falling for some real shitty bait.
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Russian here, trust me we're not springing anywhere anytime soon. In fact, I'm genuinely surprised this shithole of a country still functions, must be the holy spirit of vodka keeping us alive
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>>19470664
I'm the springtime rabbit

https://youtu.be/jHDkLJiaLHo
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>>19469808
why not?
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>>19470664
Spring culture for Spengler is primitive but has potential. So, being surprised your country still is functional is a characteristic of a spring culture.

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>ugh just like... offer the sacrifices to Zeus chud..
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>>19470827
https://historyforatheists.com/2017/11/review-catherine-nixey-the-darkening-age/

>Catherine Nixey, The Darkening Age: The Christian Destruction of the Classical World, (Macmillan, 2017) 305 pp. Her publisher’s blurb informs us that Nixey’s book tells “the largely unknown – and deeply shocking – story” of how a militant Christianity “extinguished the teachings of the Classical world” and was “violent, ruthless and intolerant” in an orgy of destruction and oppression that was “an annihilation”. On the other hand, no less an authority than the esteemed historian of Late Antiquity, Dame Averil Cameron, calls Nixey’s book “a travesty”, roundly condemning it as “overstated and unbalanced”. And Dame Averil is correct – this is a book of biased polemic masquerading as historical analysis and easily the worst book I have read in years.
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>History for atheists
Uh like some stuff moved around but it didn't really matter.

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Just finished blood meridian, dune books, and blindsight. Anything with a similar vibe worth checking out?
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Blood Meridian 2
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>>19470249
The Beetle Leg by John Hawkes. Extremely similar to McCarthy's style, but was like a decade before McCarthy's first book.
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>>19470249
how many Dune books?
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>>19470547
I recently finished this. The opening monologue is very similar to the opening monologue of 'No country for old men', the rest of the book is more Faulkner than McCarthy though. I still have no idea what was happening in many scenes.

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How would you rewrite the Constitution?
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Send the negros back to africa when someone invents a tractor

Just fixed all the problems.
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>>19470765
I once posted a picture of myself standing next to an anime girl in front of that ship on Instagram. Somehow the crew saw it and they DM'd me to tell me it was funny.
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>>19470671
I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a Constitution in the year 2021. I might look at the Constitution of South Africa, it was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary. [...] It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the U.S. Constitution.
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>>19470714
This is some high quality bait
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>>19470671
Easy, it should state that people trying to establish the goberment are becoming the outlaws and a fair game for everybody.
We need the judiciary, legislative and executive "branches" are parasites starting to devour the host since their spawn.

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Is Dawkins right about Kafka?
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>>19470879
I doubt you've scrutinized anything in your life
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>>19470879
halfwit moment
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>>19467253
Allegories are awful. It just becomes some cringy ideological platform reinforcing the same shit in evermore shallow and boring ways. Fiction is not intellectual, it's aesthetic, it's felt. If it tries to be intellectual it's always infantile to anyone who isn't a dumb ideologue impassioned by being told they're right again and again.
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>>19470888
C H E C K E D.
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>>19470602
>Dawkins' books on evolution are really good and explain it beyond any doubt
No they do not. Don't talk about pop-sci books from decades ago like they have any bearing on anything.

I like this one.
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I was just thinking of this book the other day at work. I only watched the movie when I was a kid, not sure if I should read the novel.

I like Welcome to the N.H.K, and Siddhartha. Both are good simple reads.
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>>19470314
So dry and shallow it reverses into being as deep as an ocean.
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>>19470314
>HOLES

Is this a biography about OP’s mom?
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>>19470437
>huehue “dry” and “shallow” and “deep” because they’re digging holes in the desert i’m so clever
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>>19470437
I actually thought it was fairly deep for kid fic. Like on the surface it seems like a standard fairy tale about magic, but in reality its a story about a kid taking responsibility for himself and the direction of his life. You make a good point about reversal: the part about teaching Zero to read is a fairly straight-forward discussion about basic privilege, we forget what a struggle it was to learn and mostly do it automatically. And the story of Zero's homelessness makes the point: we were able to struggle with reading while Zero was struggling with survival.

Straight-forward moralizing, but what makes it "deep" is the impact it has on Stanley. Zero doesn't just throw his hands up and say "I'm illiterate", he makes plan to learn. And it provokes the argument with X-Ray that makes Stanley understand that letting X-Ray take responsibility for his life in the camp was a mistake.

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Are universities worth trying to infiltrate and influence or are they just going to die out as institutions? I am reminded of the "SJW problem" looking at my local Univerity Press' subjects page, in which 6 subjects are related to Jews, one is related to our state, and one is related to Germans. They even have "Canadian Studies" but no "White People Studies" or "American Studies" or "Amerikaner Studies" or "Michigander Studies". This is not surprising, since my race is excluded from everything in America. I hate America and I hope it fails. Starting to ramble now. Anyway, maybe if I ever have some money I was wondering if it might be worth getting into higher education for the sole purpose of fucking up their culture and trying to reorient it to whatever extent possible. Truly it would be worth it if I could just cause these people to suffer and feel like the thing they've constructed could come crashing down and might be widely hated though.
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I also just saw that there are "no books found" under the "Genetics" section. Sounds made-up but it's true.
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wow
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>>19470866
How can you be so stupid in such a short post? How did you jam it all in there?

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I've learned more wisdom from reading science fiction than any "classic" literature. Scifi takes an angle of looking at humanity from the vantage point of the potential, thereby gaining a broader view, and the fanfastical nature allows the writers ruminate on the topics deemed taboo in "serious" discourse, like racism, eugenics, theory of mind, sexuality, deep state etc. Not to mention that most sci-fi writers were educated stemlords, why the canon was written mostly by liberally educated, bored aristocrats with too much money
The fuck can a classic novel really teach me, other than that some dipshit britbong christian had marital problems 200 years ago?
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>>19470873
You haven't learned anything, and I'm wise enough not to read the rest of this post.
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>>19470873
The fact that you can’t expand your mind enough to answer that question is the exact reason you can’t answer that question. If scifi is the end all be all of the human condition, why can’t it explain to you the importance of the classics on the western world and the zeitgeist of the human condition?


Is this board full of children?
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>>19470873
NEED SAUCE PLEASE OP
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>>19470873
fiction can be brainwashing. the author can present false scenarios that allude to the real world and provide nonsensical explanations of them with impunity.
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>I've learned more wisdom from reading science fiction than any "classic" literature.
Then read some classic literature, wouldn't take much to catch up. Good luck OP.

Glowing City edition

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>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ

>Archive
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>A link to the ultimate colossal science fiction and fantasy collection torrent
>>>/t/1023504

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>>19469234
As you haven’t learned yet (Probably because you didn’t read but one book), Achamian is the self insert of Mr Bakker, and he has himself said writing Kellhus parts of the books were the hardest.

Having said that, I self inserted myself as Kellhus but that says more about me than about the books.
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>>19465746
>lost all my bakker books when i tried to take a flight to china but didn't have govt permission and a bikie tried to kill me and said he was coming back with a gun and i had to run like 10km home and dump my bag of books including all the bakkerinos

reprints when they are too expensive
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>>19470477
that could be pretty epic
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so now that the dust has settled, what did we think of Cytonic?
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>>19470893
I''m not as versed in theological debates and gnosticism as I would like to be. I'm starting from a standpoint of Pelagius vs Augustine right now, who else would be relevant?




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