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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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Is pic related p-zombie behavior? Is there some author who explains this phenomenon?
Also, I think one could go at this in many ways, but I'm particularly interested in how people, religious or not, seem to frequently be against euthanasia in humans, but in favor of euthanasia in animals. I believe it comes down to pic related. Why?
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>>16454655
It's retarded to think that animals having consciousness is demeaning to humans in some way. You have this notion of "higher and lower" animals which is entirely arbitrary.
To think animals aren't capable of love and care to their offspring is way more indicative of sociopath than what anon said. You don't realise that most animals can walk straight out of the womb and humans take like 20 years before they're capable of looking after themselves. It necessitates far more care, but love and care and depression and neurosis and everything else are observable in animals.
You'll never make it if you are unable to understand the human as an animal. You'll never make it if you take offence based on aesthetic notions in your own head.
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>>16454040
people ARE animals. but with original sin. makes them toxic victims, narcissists. they treat each other as property, slaves, teach each other how to live properly
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>>16454667
Not an argument.

>>16454684
>It's retarded to think that animals having consciousness is demeaning to humans in some way. You have this notion of "higher and lower" animals which is entirely arbitrary.
>To think animals aren't capable of love and care to their offspring is way more indicative of sociopath than what anon said.
Didnt say any of these things.

I simply stated, that if you think a young goose imprinting on its mother, or a dog following its owner around, is the same thing as two parents lovingly raising a child, then you show sociopathic traits.

>You'll never make it if you are unable to understand the human as an animal.

Humans are not animals, we are creatures capable of higher forms of love, empathy, spirituality.

If you dont understand this, you are evil.
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I wouldn't say that I prefer animals to humans, but I think that animals are comparable to a human child, in the sense that they are creatures that possess consciousness and are yet incapable of moral reasoning. And these creatures, who are conscious, who can feel pain, endure almost infinite suffering and misery. They'll never reach a point where they can comprehend it, rationalize it, perhaps overcome it -- they're restricted to nothing but pain, confusion, and fear. The only conclusion I can really come to is that conscious life is a bad thing.
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>>16454723
>comparable to a human child

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Hey all. I'm back. I took a break because I wanted to read from philosophers instead of diagram them.

I'm looking for new additions; only Philosophers. Specifically the middle ages, theology, and Romans.

I want to get core philosophers and the relevant categories down before I add too many extra related persons e.g. writers, novelists, poets, Wagner, Junger, Goethe.

HOW TO RECOMMEND:
* New names, who they influenced, who influenced them
* Categorizations for names
* Multiple relationship corrections / more relationships

If you don't see your recommendation between version, don't fret, as I've likely saved it for a bigger revision for the category it belongs to. Especially for more relationships for existing nodes. The lines are clusterfucky until I simplify.

Cheers. I'll update when I can.


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>>16454670
Nice bait, schizo.
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>>16454074
>the lyric poets -> Hesiod
what the fuck are you talking about Hesiod was before them
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>>16454074
Pseudo-Dionysus: influenced by Plotinus, and other Neoplatonists (which could be an added category); influenced a lot of theologians and mystics (many could be categorized under negative theology) (all new additions as well): Eriugena, Meister Eckhart, the (anonymous) author of The Cloud of Unknowing, and Nicholas of Cusa.
Eriugena was also influenced by Augustine, and influenced Eckhart and Nicholas of Cusa.
Eckhart influenced Nicholas of Cusa, Luther, and Heidegger.
Duns Scotus was influenced by Aristotle, Augustine, and influenced Ockham, and later Heidegger and Deleuze.
Geulincx: influenced by Descartes.
To the Renaissance I'd add Ficino and Pico della Mirandola (the former influencing the latter), both influenced by the Neoplatonists.
Hamann was also influenced by Luther and Hume.
The French/Enlightenment materialists: La d'Holbach, La Mettrie, Helvétius; influenced by Locke and Hobbes.
Sade: influenced by d'Holbach, La Mettrie, Spinoza; influenced Bataille, Klossowski.
Kojève: influenced by Hegel, Marx, Heidegger; influenced basically most French readings of Hegel, especially Bataille, Sartre, Lacan.
Bataille was also influenced by Hegel (via Kojève) and Mauss; and influenced Foucault and Blanchot.
Blanchot was influenced by Hegel, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Levinas (all the phenomenologists aren't pictured yet), and influenced Foucault, Derrida, Nancy.
Klossowski: influenced by Nietzsche, Sade; influenced Deleuze.
Probably Arendt and Beauvoir in the long run.

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>>16454700
based contribution. what work of Eckhart should I read as a philosofelet?
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>>16454715
The Power of Now

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What the does the Minotaur myth actually means?
>queen fucks a bull
>gives birth to half-beast half-man monster
>monster gets thrown in a labyrinth
>eats sacrificial virgins every once in a while

Feels like something deep about the conflicting nature of our Ego/Higher Consciousness, but I can't quite put my finger into it.
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>>16453234
That's the ancient "neoplatonic" exegesis. >>16451970
Also Plato mentioning it in the Phaedo.
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>>16451675
>Ego/Higher Consciousness
Holy shit kill yourself
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>>16453358
This, it's just a story made up to justify why Myceneans had to pay regular tributes to Minoans ("it's for the bull bro not cause we're a tributary state")
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>>16454724
and they chose the bull because that was their iconic animal, and everyone had including Egyptians
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>>16454727
>and everyone had including Egyptians
had labyrinths*

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The moment a child starts becoming part of your society he starts losing something immensely valuable; he starts losing contact with existence. He becomes more and more hung up in the head. He forgets all about the heart, and the heart is the bridge which leads to being; without the heart you cannot reach your own being, it is impossible. From the head there is no way directly to being; you have to go via the heart. And all societies are destructive to the heart; they are against love, they are against feelings. They condemn feelings as sentimentality. They condemned all lovers down the ages for the simple reason that love is not of the head, it is of the heart, and a man who is capable of love is sooner or later going to discover his being. Once a person discovers his being he is free from all structures, from all patterns. He is free from all bondage, he is pure freedom.

Every child is born innocent, but every child is made knowledgeable by the society. Hence schools, colleges, universities exist; their function is to destroy you, to corrupt you.

Maturity means gaining your lost innocence again, reclaiming your paradise, becoming a child again. Of course it has a difference, because the ordinary child is bound to be corrupted, but when you reclaim your childhood you become incorruptible. Nobody can corrupt you, you become intelligent enough. Now you know what the society has done to you. You are alert and aware, and you will not allow it to happen again.
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>>16453874
this is what I thought waking up today. every year we get closerto belike eachother.
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>>16453874
yep. to become whole again one has to love himself like his only own child. achieveable through love to another child, a woman. one of greatest secrets for which I would be crucified a hundred times by (((them))), but today absolutely nobody will pay attention to it, covid, aids, trump and greta are more important. black lives matter, not your own.

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What's your favourite Surah? I'm not a Muslim but the Quran was beautiful.

>And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah].
>But they plan, and Allah plans.
>And Allah is the best of planners.
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>>16454535
Based
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>>16454652
>>16454662
Islam is the religion of the gigachad
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>>16454666
"You will find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to the believers to be the Jews and the pagans." 5:82

"And you will surely find them (Jews) the most greedy of people for life - more than the pagans" 2:96
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>>16454699
Why did you reply to my funny bee gif with this? What are you trying to say?
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>>16454699
I’m surprised as to why white nationalists aren’t converting to islam en masse when their ideals lie more in line with the religion of strict monotheism than the western tradition that was built with pagan influences and was meant to develop like this

Crime and Punishment
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>>16454651
Agree, every interaction between him and Raskolnikov is great, especially when they discuss Rodia's great men theory
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>>16454658
This book has nothing to do with sexual repression, and Raskolnikov was engaged to a woman.
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Svidrigailov is getting married!

Say something nice about the young bride!
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>>16454641
i'm reading the idiot right now but i don't know if i can do it i just want to have sex
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>>16454685
Then find a girl and go to town. When you're done, you can resume your reading.

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I've come to realize that 1984's world isn't that bad or at least not worse than ours.
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>>16454315
>Get killed/lobotomized for wrong think
At least we have a choice to move to move to bumfuck nowhere and live how we want anon.

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This book is kino.
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>>16450437
>зaгpyжeнo
CYKA БЛRTb
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>>16450437
It's one of the worst and most boring german books you could pick, What's the american fetish with Hesse? Is it the jewish schooling which makes you lust for every faggy author there is? Ironically it seems it's mainly the right which falls for this meme.

God only knows why.
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>>16454509
Was für bücher empfiehlst du?
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>>16454656
Hängt von deinem Geschmack und Vorlieben ab. Wenn du es traditionell magst und etwas lichtspielhausiges willst, könntest du es mit den alten Epen wie dem Rolandslied versuchen, kurz aber fein. Parzival wenn du zum Absurdismus neigst. Ansonsten gerne auch etwas ernsteres wie Kleider machen Leute sowie andere Werke von Wilhelm Raabe, Gottfried Keller oder Theodor Storm. Hamsuns Segen der Erde ist ebenfalls Pflichtlektüre. Und mein Favorit dieses Jahr ist definitiv "Soweit die Füße tragen". Es handelt von der Flucht eines Kriegsgefangenen aus einem sibirischem Bleiwerk, doch die Route bringt ihn quer durch Russland und den Nahen Osten.

Ich hoffe auch, dass du Löns Wehrwolf gelesen hast. Faust sowie Tristan und Isolde für Fühls können ebenfalls nicht schaden.
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>>16454656
Ürigens, kauf keine neuen Bücher von toten Schriftstellern, sondern gebraucht auf booklooker.de oder ZVAB. Dem (((Verleger))) Geld in den Rachen werfen und dann auch noch Bezos ist Verrat am Vaterland.

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Is it wrong to steal from libraries?
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>>16453503
I scan the ones I like at my uni library and them upload them to libgen
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>>16453503
Of course it is. In fact, i think it is even worse to steal from a public service than it is from a private business. These services are provided on the basis of a mutual understanding of joint ownership and use; and they only continue to operate based on those beliefs. So in abusing that system of trust, you are undermining the very support that the entire institution stand on. There is a common idea in governing that you should plan policy around the assumption that everyone is a knave. But there are certain things that are only possible if we believe in the capacity of individuals to show individual discretion towards acting in the public good. And this capacity will only exist if we in turn uphold that belief ourselves. If we cannot do even that, then we may as well throw society to the dogs. I wish to live in a world where there are public services such as libraries, so i will act in such a way that allows them to exist. I suggest you do the same.
People who see the public services as nothing more than easy marks to be plundered evince a third-world mentality, and would be more at home there.
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>>16454237
This person is spot on
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>>16454237
Not this autist again.
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Yes, it is always wrong to steal someone elses property you fucking hippie

So I'm about 100 pages in and can't tell if this is going to ever morph into the great American novel touching on every aspect of existence, or if there's been a 170 year long practical joke being made to trick me into reading a gay romance novel.

Does Ishmael and Queequeg's relationship ever 'cool off' or am I in for another 500 pages of hot steamy interracial homosexual desire?
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>>16454471
lol no
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>>16454083
Wait till you get to the spermaceti chapter
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>>16454471
>Muh Moby Dick
>Muh Prose poem
Shut up retard. Mccarthy did what Melville tried without bloating the book with cetology and cheesy descriptions.
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>>16454119
I'll have to re-read this book. Yes, I finished it, but I dont think that I appreciated it.
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>>16454119
Wow, it's like Conrad, only worse.

Do yanks honestly believe this is better than "Youth"? Conrad condensed his spiel on the sea down into fifty pages, without Dickensian diversions into a whaling documentary.

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>you seeeee...life is misery for most people isn't it? you know, my life is ecstasy isn't it? hello?
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>>16453579
Fuck this lousy mook,
https://youtu.be/_PKKb_VRuRw

He speaks and reasons like a god damn high school counselor
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>>16454293
He's just a bullshitter, there's no point

>You see... [made up story] and that is why... I am right. Yes? If you disagree... you are an idiot.
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>>16453579
Poopy
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>>16453579
Poo in Loo Grifter
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>>16453579
you forgot to force laugh at every question

Goddamn.
I love Wikipedia bros, and everything that it stands for.
There's no comfier pastime than opening it up and educating yourself, anytime, anywhere. Miles better than mindless scrooling.
The website is clean, with little JavaScript-based bloated "features," something I appreciate more and more as web design goes to shit.
What a fucking incredible amount of knowledge. People talk about Alexandria, but we've surpassed it by orders of magnitude with this. And it's relatively anarchist. Seeing something this grand arise from the voluntary work of thousands makes me feel a bit better about humanity.
If only the rest of the internet was this wonderful. I think something like 3/4s of it is porn alone.
Is it just the nature of any system to get shittier as it becomes more accessible? (Literacy, Internet, etc.)
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>>16452930
I don't care about Evola or wikipedia, i am just saying it's obvious they're biased. The sources they give in their articles are just retards calling people fascists instead of explaining what they thought.
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>>16452852
Just open a user account there and change it to its former glory like in the image: >>16448641

It's not that hard and we can coordinate something with /pol/ to prevent faggy edits (I'm also an editor there and could watch the page).
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>>16452954
>>16452942

Please give worth to your life by doing so nibba, go fight the virtual fight for the no name Evola, go read Journey to the End of the Night if you're respecting right wing intellectuals.
Man yall stupid or just pretending
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>>16447490
>3/4 is porn
I used to jerk off using wikipedia articles on porn and sex positions as a wee one. God those days were very innocent. I was like 7.
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>>16447675
Wikipedia is still a really good source for finding primary texts though.

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>>16454623
for me it's green
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>>16454625
Yeah, this is some impoverished African nation and they saved up their money to get these Jojo tier outfits so they can walk around and act like they own the place. Sounds super based. People say they are really nice too.
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>>16454636
Explain
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>>16454623
A Rebours.
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>>16454623
Moravagine

God does not exist. Jesus can get fucked in the ass. I would fuck his mom Mary while fingering her asshole
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Go be edgy to the mudslimes, anon.
>>16452187
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Jeebuz was merely some random jewish thug cultist who got caught by roman police and executed for his crimes
If you genuinely believe there was more to him, you're the same breed of retards who deify George Floyd
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based posts like these will not get the deserved respect on nu/lit/
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>>16454579
not funny or based. kill yourself immediately


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