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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.org/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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Describe a person you are in love with
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If anyone does not believe in Venus, they should gaze at my girlfriend
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>>12824066
Toxic and lifeless.
Nice.
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>>12823995
She has grey-blue eyes, sometimes the color of storm clouds, sometimes the light blue of the sky on a sunny day. She has dark, slightly wavy long brown hair, a baby-face that makes her look 3-4 years younger than she actually is, fair skin with freckles lightly across her nose and under her eyes, and a tendency toward rosy cheeks. She’s about 5’3-4, studies environmental science in college and she loves plants and growing things, although every time something dies she gets very sad and says she doesn’t have a green thumb. She has a breathy, kind of low voice that reminds me of the actresses in old black and white movies, and there is a slight northerner/Midwesterner accent in her voice. She works in a breakfast diner/coffee shop, loves to hike although it hurts her knees sometimes, loves old country and folk music like Hank Williams and Johnny Cash, and cares a lot about being environmentally conscious. She likes to read like me, but more casually, and some of her favorite books are The Catcher in the Rye, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Great Gatsby, The plays of Tennessee Williams, John Muir’s writings, and the Narnia books.
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I'll describe in a non physical way. She is adorable, a little needy, and absolutely loves hugs. She tells me about her day, her family, her hobbies. She'd tell me about all these plots of books and movie dramas I really don't care about but I pretend to so she keeps that smile. She asks me about my day and family aswell and remembers everything I say. The first to greet me on my birthdays, refers to me by a nickname and loves making inside jokes with me. After each conversation, she'd get emotional and tender.
I've had a few girls interested in me, but only once I experienced true love. This was it and I miss her so much. But I had to end it.
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I take her for granted, until she's gone.

Is Christian Apologetics literary?
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Stop being Christian.
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Anyway, to answer the OP's question, yes, some of the great works of philosophy, theology, and literature would be classed as "apologetics." The category includes everything from Augustine's City of God to C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, and also includes works from people like Dante and Chretien de Troyes. Even Milton's Paradise Lost could be considered a work of apologetics, since it does, after all, purport to "justify the ways of God to man." We can debate how successful it is at doing that some other time.
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>>12824009
How? He's generally good at delivering points and he's put up a strong case (at least for deism) in all of his debates.
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>>12824044
>not realizing the point of Paradise Lost was to justify Satan to man and get you on his side
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>>12824116
Go away Blake, go prance around your house naked some more.

Slice of life edition

Monthly Reading for March: The Black Company by Glen Cook

Fantasy:
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https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

Science Fiction:
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General:
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>>12823380
In this particular book, I don't know. Just got started. If your friend wants a """good""" panther-fucking book, read Incubus Caged. Read just the kindle preview, it's fine. After that, it's complete shit, don't bother.

>>12823386
Yes, that's why I don't like female protagonists. They tend to have that shit in all of them, if not at the beginning, then at the sequels. That's why I tend to search for male-protagonists ones. The authors tend to self-insert as the main female love interest, and that tends to keep them in a wholesome relationship throughout. Unfortunately, these books are very few, and I may be missing out in some good books that are not love-triangles/cuckshit that do have a female protagonist because of my misgivings on reading them.
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>>12811249
I think you'd like Warlord chronicles, even if some parts would make you wistful
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>Just finished book 4 of the black company
I dunno if I continue.
Too many characters who where supposed to be dead keep turning up again for me to really care anymore.

How much stuff do I miss if I read a few wiki pages and jump to Soldiers life?
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>take a look at the fantasy subreddit because once in a blue moon I'd find something new to read
>one of the top posts is a "believe all women" post
nigga what the fuck?
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>>12824111
>reddit
Need I say more?

thoughts? favorite book? mine is wonderful, wonderful times (who the fuck set that title though)

also, english translation of children of the dead is apparently happening this year
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>>12823645
Who is this pump it strumpet?
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>>12823666
elfriede jelinek, nobel laureate!
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>>12823645
Who is this jizz jezebel ?
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>>12823645
That's not fair, you chose the only picture where her haircut isn't disgusting
Also bump because interested, how's The Piano Teacher? I didn't even watch the movie but I might read it.
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>>12823645
I've only read wonderful times. Would you say it's faithful to her style or is it more an artefact of the translation?

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Ok /lit/ did anyone ever buy this and upload it to libgen or not?

What is the verdict on this book? Inquiring minds need to know.
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I remember somebody saying that the opening few paragraphs are intentionally bad. Does anybody have samples from later in the book, so we can see for ourselves?
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>>12824023
From somewhere in the middle:

"This place was the only thing he had ever missed in his life. He cherished it & loved it, but wished its memories away- as without them, the rest of it, the aimless sufferings, the quotidian routines, the wasted times, the labors, the struggles, the consumptions & sicknesses, the fleeting bouts of anxious energy which cleared his ever-encroaching mist of shame & regret, but for moments only, like pleasant dreams interrupted by the morning’s alarm, by fantasy-fragmenting necessities, these bores & chores, agendas & groceries, these shattered hopes, these botched sacrifices, this unimpeachable loneliness, this emptiness- none of it would stand in such harsh relief against his few fond memories had they never occurred at all. It is this illusory precondition of enchantment which pains him more than the disenchantment with which he’s grown accustomed- as this lost world denies the reality of his own, or at least it denies its necessity & the necessity of his acceptance of it. These memories condemned him, so he condemns them in return."
outstretched hands like water, steam, or mist."

"What unholy alchemy, this decimating atomism, proving in its endless self-confirming loop, that all is composed of number & measurement- of adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, exponentiating- all of these subjects which plagued him in his youth- incomprehensible arabesques of arithmetic which turned all to bits passing through the grist mills of algorithm, their endless decimals, their infinities uncomputable by the weak machine of his flesh- these undulating, oscillating figures which snared life & passed it through purses, wires, & through the very air. He envisioned economy as a cloud of whirling nothingness encroaching upon everything- which when inspected, always retreated, dissipated, forever into a flux of darkness, passing through his outstretched hands like water, steam, or mist."
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>>12824043
I'm not so sure about these really long sentences with all these clauses separated by commas. I understand he's going for a kind of maximalism here, but I just don't think it really works, you know? Instead of feeling baroque and over-the-top, it just feels exhausting.
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>>12824072

Honestly, I think he is wasting everyone's time with this. He would be much better suited to write a book of literary criticism Harold Bloom-style or essays/letters on various topics. This is just pretty embarrassing. I don't really want to even want to give it my time, it is clear he is just missing the mark.
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>>12823924

What does /lit/ do when you can’t decide what book to read? I spent three hours yesterday staring at my shelf trying to decide which novel to read next.
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I go A then B then A then B. A is first person military history because I always enjoy these. B is something more literary, maybe self help, maybe a classic, maybe something that caught my eye.
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>Not having at least +5 books you want to read at any given time
Never going to make it
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>>12824014
I think that is exactly OP's problem..
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>>12824014
That’s the problem. How am I supposed to pick between selections like The Brothers Karamazov, Anna Karenina, Moby Dick, Infinite Jest, The Recognitions, Wuthering Heights, and many more classics and meme-classics? I’ve set myself up for this. It compounds itself when I finish an incredible book and have to worry about it being complete shit compared to my previous read.
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>>12824099
This means that you don't have a plan, and reading for you isn't a journey from work to work, but rather just reading random shit to appear smart.
0/10

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What is the best way to get literature published in the 21st century? Is self-publishing the best or an even valid way to do this? Or is the legacy system still the only way to reach the masses?
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>>12823833
If you write a thriller or a lesbian horror fantasy, self publishing is perfect.

Otherwise, avoid it.
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>>12823908

Why is this the case? Is it not possible to do distribution of niche topics anymore these days? Is it not possible to promote your own work?

Doesn't it in the end mean more royalty money?
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>>12823956
>Why is this the case?
Literature needs critical review.
No serious books, fiction or nonfiction, gain an audience without it.
Self-publishing works for genre fiction and niche nonfiction, but not serious work.
It's possible to promote your own work, but you aren't going to influence or reach literary circles with self-published work. These worlds are mutually exclusive.
With self-publishing, conceivably, there is more royalty money. But this is not always the case. A writer with a good advance can make a lot. And how much is good exposure worth? Self published books will NEVER be reviewed by legitimate outlets.
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>>12824077
I guess let me ask you this, does wider recognition matter if you only care about the right people reading it? Tao Lin is known to every hipster circle worldwide and there is a thread about him here nearly every other day. He has almost zero mainstream appeal and an audience of ~5000 people who know his name.

He 'self-published' by creating his own 'publishing company' and thus bootstrapped his way to fake legitimacy and it seemed to help him gain the audience he wanted. Is this not a good pathway to success through self-publishing?

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Why is reading so hard
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>>12824034
Because you don’t do it enough

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blackpill me on pataphysics
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>>12823416
Have you read Ubu Roi? It's one of the funniest things ever written.
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It's extremely hard to delve into because of literally what it is; undefinable.

It's reality beyond metaphysics, the unknowable/the unknown.

The moment you start delving into it and get a rough idea is probably the moment you stop because it's pointless - useless.

Pataphors are fun though.
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>>12824030
which writers should i read that had an interest in this
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>>12823416
it's like speculative realism but 100 x more incomprehensible

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What the fuck? Why is this book so fucking rare? Why does it cost $275? Why there is not a single fucking copy available on the internet? Is it that good or just some random forgotten textbook?

Btw, rec me some something similar.
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>>12821969
there are so many typos in that chart lol
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>>12821931
Yes it starts with Eisenhower and Rommel sacrificing yutes like there’s no tomorrow
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>>12821931
I read a chapter then play with my action figures
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>>12823155
Well, now I am confusion
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>>12823359
I was reading Creative and Critical Thinking like everyone else when God visited me.

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Is this a fair refutation of Pascal's Pensees (the wager in particular)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKzqQ-IVxGs
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>>12823542
Must be.

Why is my tinnitus so bad? Capitalism.
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>>12823561
>>12823542
:3
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based white people solving world problems!
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>>12822451
>He mentions that it's strictly a Christian rational for belief.

The fact that he mentions it says nothing. You can very easily use this argument for any religion.
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>>12823769
You are taking it completely out of context in that he introduces the wager after hundreds of pages of explaining why Christianity is the only viable religion.

Just read this and now I want to kill myself.
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>>12823683
Why?
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>>12823683
Are you black?

Is Tao Lin a literary fraud? Did he steal and cheat his way to the top? Does his work have any merit at all?
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>>12823776
okay, this is epic
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>>12823770
He’s chinese. They’re the Jews of the east.
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>>12823770
>Is tao lin a literary fraud
no
>Did he steal and cheat his way to the top
no
>Does his work have any merit at all
no
Alt lit turned out to be meaningless. Tao Lin is broke and nobody reads his work. I don't know what you mean by "the top"
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>>12823914
>2013
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He is an honest fraud.

Books with this feel.

Any books about seeing your youth slip away and realizing life is not going to be what you expected it to be.
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>>12822281
My diary desu senpai
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>>12822281
Murakami kinda sucks dawg


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