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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers? Open this thread for some recommendations.

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Write whats on your heart
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>>21614992
Yeah I'm starting to dread my teeth situation since I'm always smiling when I talk to other people and they look like shit, I'm becoming very insecure about it. Rest of my face is fine
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aBsseqJ_GIA
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>>21614994
>A story needs a character who experiences change through events and conflict(s)
that's why so many stories are dull and predictable, it's a fad. the characters mean nothing by contrast to the setting.

I prefer to come up with an extreme setting and the characters are more like ... hrmm .. "how would thee people react", like the stock characters in roman theatre which followed this formula.
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>>21615019
Sure, you have a different method, but at the end of the day the result you arrive to is still a character who is in some conflict, otherwise it's not a story.
But more importantly, the idea I'm currently looking for, is required for a work in which I am limited by specific rules. I cannot make a setting, cannot build a world, I am required to make just a short story with a handful of characters, and make it quick-like, so this doesn't work for me.

Fuck it, how about a stack thread
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>>21607230
oddly thick edition of naked lunch
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You guys know of any good naturalist writers? I'm currently reading Arctic Dreams about the arctic.
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>>21607051
The mandatory infinite jest meme always gets me.

Wp.
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>>21605521
>>21607051
>>21607230
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>>21611266
>only english
cringe anglos
>>21611379
Basé

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>make a thread on /lit/ asking for book recomendations based on a book I liked
>thread become a storm of shit(post)

>make a thread on r*ddit asking for book recomendations based on a book I liked
>get some US(hit) tier recomendations, but overall get at least 1 or 2 actually good and informed recomendations/opinions

Why is /lit/ so worthless? I know some of you also post in other pages ---but why keep coming to this shithole where no one reads here?
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>>21614850
Holy shit shut the fuck up nigger. People just say nigger get over it. Does that really stop your retarded nigger ass from having a discussion?
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>>21614882
I always knew ironically using nigger and fag would come back to haunt 4chan
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>>21614538
nothing
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>>21614882
>go to /tv/ to discuss movies
>WHY ARE THE LIBERALS
>go to /mu/ to discuss music
>WHY ARE THE TRANNIES
>go to /x/ to discuss the paranormal
>WHY ARE THE JEWS
>go to /his/ to discuss history
>WHY ARE THE ATHEISTS
>go to /tg/ to discuss fantasy
>WHY ARE THE COMMIES
>go to /fit/ to discuss lifting
>WHY ARE THE FEMINISTS
>go to /lit/ to discuss books
>WHY ARE THE PROGRESSIVES

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>>21611847
I have never seen a single good recommendation come from anywhere besides /lit/, except for Wittkop who I learned about from artist twitter, and even then I later found her on one of the /lit/'s infographs I'd saved.
Reddit doesn't give good recommendations because the site is designed to give advice on how to fix computers and get video game mods to work. Open questions and casual discussion collapse under the UI and the upvote system.
If you'd like to porve me wrong, name some of the good books reddit introduced you to.
for honesty's sake, here are the writers and books /lit/ made me aware of:
>Borges
>Invisible Cities
>Mishima
>Gene Wolfe
>Sarah Kane
>Fleur Jaeggy (who is obscure amd great)
>The Vorrh
>Lanark: a life in 4 novels
>The Flashman Papers
>The Screwtape Letters

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"1950s pulp sci-fi" Edition

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RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC

Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Violent shills should be ignored and reported.

Simple guides on writing:
https://youtu.be/pHdzv1NfZRM

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>>21614948
You start another one so the dread doesn't have time to set in
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>>21614953
Kek. That's for sure. But then I just send the ready ones to publishers until one day someone believes it enough?
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>>21614966
pretty much querying is an art unto itself
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Writing is for loosers with no life. Real men live by accomplishing great things and raising families to carry on their bloodline.
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>>21615021
Okay, so go do that, Gigachad McThundercock

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Does anyone know where I can this book in epub or mobi for free so I can read it on my kindle? Thanks.
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>>21613399
How are you stupid mouthbreaking neckbeards STILL around? It's been more than 10 years of this shit. PDF does not properly convert to epub. It never has, it never will. They are not compatible. PDF is IMAGES, not text. Only in edge cases where the pdf has a text layer is this remotely possible, and even the the results are trash. Ignorant fucking moron.
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>>21614725
you already did, fatty.
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>>21613389
You can read pdfs on kindle
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>>21614920
Pdfs on Kindles are shit
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>>21613256
you can get it on z-lib. they still don't have the sequel though.

Why is this book mandatory reading for american high schoolers? I believe most people who say this is a bad book are americans who read this at a young age. It doesn't make sense for a teenager to read this book, you're just not going to get it.
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>>21614800
>Is this a bot post?
no
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>>21610435
It's a great novel that shows how the teen spirit never dies, I thought adults were mature as a kid, but then you realize they are just like us
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>>21614800
Yes, you literally do, if you actually go ahead and grow up.
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>>21610435
I read it on my own and loved it
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>>21610435
Alot of times is Young Americans first experience with a narrator/protag who isn't a chosen one or bland self insert

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>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS

>Archive
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
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>>21614812
yeah but not when they kill innocent people for no reason like a lot of 'antiheroes' do
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>>21614775
these days it often just means “the protagonist is a bad person”
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Why is it so hard to find a fantasy novel where a farmboy or other equivalent becomes a hero and goes on an adventure with his cute love interest?
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>>21614775
Honestly it's not really a clear-cut thing. The general rule is that anti-heroes are ultimately doing good stuff, I think, but they're overly pragmatic/amoral going about it. Or it should be, some 'anti-heroes' are just selfish assholes who don't technically qualify as villains because they don't really antagonise anybody directly life just keeps throwing people in their way.

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Why did the little prince made so much success? Its messages are very similar to other chikdren's books

HOW THE FUCK do I fight the temptation to just put all my books in my car, quit my job and just drive somewhere and just read and be homeless. That sounds AMAZING
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>>21614519
Dayum! no one made it to the 8' line before the Bobcat Era?
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>>21614527
That's right anon. Strip quarried never existed. The pyramid stones? All meteors. Petra? Formed by natural wind and erosion. No one could dig that deep ever.
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>>21611831
I live in a 3rd world country and my parents have enough assets for me to live pretty comfortably with basic necessities my entire.
I have no intention of ever getting married so I thought why not just live off my parent's money. But I am too proud to just ask my parents that.
Fuck this shit. Why do I have to wageslave my life away just to fit in this society. All I want is to read some books, watch some movies/shows and sleep all day.
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>>21613917
It's nature is no better than Europe, it's only better if you compare the us to a small European country which obviously isn't fair. There's nothing special about what you have. Nigga we got mountains
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>>21611831
Milkers

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>This is the / forest prim- / eval. The / murmuring / pines and the / hemlocks,
poem "readers" unironically believe this is dactylic hexameter
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>>21614928
It is dactylic hexameter in accentual-syllabic verse. It isn't quantitative verse, of course.
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>another shitty frog thread

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So I'm reading this and I understood it well, until Guenon started talking about religion and metaphysics, a few things of which he said about them kind of filtered me. Mostly the wording of what he said was kind of unintelligible to me. Here are some questions I have:
1) In what way do 'social and sentimental elements preponderate over the intellectual', such as in the case of Protestantism?
1.1) In what way is Catholicism more 'intellectual' whilst Protestantism is more 'sentimental'? (i.e. What's the difference between Catholic dogma and Protestant dogma (or the absence thereof)?)
2) What does Guenon mean by 'universal order' in this passage?:
>It may now be stated that metaphysics, understood in this way, is essentially the knowledge of the Universal, or, if preferred, the knowledge of principles belonging to the universal order,
3) What is the Aristotelian and Scholastic 'pure intellect', and how does one attain such a faculty?
4) When Guenon says,
>[...] the most essential difference between a metaphysical doctrine and a religious dogma; whereas the metaphysical point of view is purely intellectual, the religious point of view implies as a fundamental characteristic the presence of a sentimental element affecting the doctrine itself, which does not allow of its preserving an attitude of entirely disinterested speculation;
what does he mean by 'does not allow of its preserving an attitude of entirely disinterested speculation'? What does this clause mean?
5) In this passage:
>It can now be seen that the theological point of view is only a particularization of the metaphysical point of view, implying a proportional alteration; it is an application of it to contingent conditions, one might say, the mode of adaption being determined by the nature of the conditions to which it must respond, since after all these special exigencies furnish the only reason for its existence.
5.1) What are the 'contingent conditions'?
5.2) What is a 'mode of adaption'?
5.3) What is 'the nature of the conditions'?
6) What is the reasoning behind this statement, and how is Guenon trying to critique it?:

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1) protestants are usually not very concerned about the metaphysics of christianity but rather the social and sentimental elements as demonstrated by american evangelicals: jesus would vote republican and jesus will save you through faith alone!
2) the universal order is the level of reality at which duality is no longer valid. "universal being" for example belongs to the universal order because Being itself is not separate from anything: there is nothing in the world that does not have the nature of being. you can't have two different instances of Being since to be is to exist and there cannot be more than one existence. non-duality (absence of separation or differentiation) is the fundamental characteristic of the universal order.
3) the pure intellect is nonconceptual thought, shapeless thought, thought without symbols, thought not bound by forms such as language, emotion, reason, or anything else that can be described. nonconceptual thought can be attained through meditation.
4) a religion such as christianity with a vested interest in love for christ and other sentimental elements cannot approach metaphysics in an objective way because a christian has already accepted christ as his saviour, a sentiment which will shape any metaphysical speculation he engages in.
5) he's essentially saying that theology is metaphysics adapted to a civilization more suited for sentimental than intellectual spirituality.
6) "Being is" is a more universal statement than "God exists" because it does not carry any presupposition of the existence of something that can be called "God", while the statement "Being is" is self-evident.
7) i believe "sphere of applications" refers to the things that symbols can be used for, rather than the principles behind the symbols themselves. like he says later in the chapter, the sacraments are used for psychical generation, which is their application, but this power derives from the principles that are symbolized in the rituals.
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>>21613837
Thank you.
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>3) What is the Aristotelian and Scholastic 'pure intellect', and how does one attain such a faculty?
He explains this in depth in Man and His Becoming, which you should read.
Really you should chill on asking questions about metaphysics until you've read his metaphysical core, which consists of
>Intro
>Man and His Becoming
>Symbolism of the Cross
>The Multiple States of Being
That is, after all, why he wrote the books. So you can learn about metaphysics by reading them.
>inb4 that's so much reading
The last three books are all like 100 pages each.
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>>21613105
Annihilationism is the ideology that everything will be destructed ---even the soul, which Catholics believe indestructible.
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>>21615004
Guenon didn't think this though, he even said the exact opposite, "nothing that is can ever truly cease to exist".

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Have you ever bought a "4chan book"?
>Harassment Architecture
>Call of the Crocodile
>People Mover
>Eggplant
>The Last Free Man
>The Shitkickers
etc.
Tell me about it, please.
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>>21613128
>Michelle Ma dead center in the lineup

glad to see we are centering trans experiences
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>>21614716
he's a glownigger conop from vine and reddit who came here once to shill and got you all eating out the palm of his AIDS-ridden hand. he doesnt even belong on the image at all.
>>21614662
no ones reading your crap. fuck off shill
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>>21613128
>Have you ever bought a "4chan book"?
Fuck no, its a waste of money.
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>>21614964
whats the last book you paid for then scrub
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>>21614167
A fate worse than death.

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Where do we start with Dickens?
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>>21614291
Is that the one with the cuck that agrees to be killed in the place of his beloved's husband?
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>>21614302
>4chan guys remembers the cuck
I swear you people have memorized every cuck and cuck fact in existence
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>>21614128
Don't. He's boring as fuck.
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>>21614128
I dont know how to start but with the dick ends.
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tried to read him once, dude was a boring npc

Where can I learn the actual meaning of the Bible? The esoteric metaphorical meaning.
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>>21613736
believing in God =/= understanding the Bible, retard
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>>21614387
Without God, you have no hope of understanding the Bible.
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>>21611934
>Than why does Jesus not give freely to the everyone "the mystery of the kingdom of God"?
He does give them the Gospel, they just reject it. So that leads to them being unable to understand anything else. Basically if you don't get the basics, or refuse to accept them I should say, then you won't be able to understand anything beyond it. But the responsibility for that lies with the person doing the refusing.

"And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." (John 5:40)
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>>21613749
Wo shadi slamo
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>>21605974
Have you ever considered learning Greek and Hebrew? Ρακα


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