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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers? Open this thread for some recommendations.

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Guenon's work was an attempt to appropriate Marxism for the purposes of reactionary politics. Guenon's work relies on a crude, mechanistic view of history which led him to believe that societies progress through linear stages from primitive to civilization. This teleological view of history ignores the reality of human experience, which is characterized by conflict, chaos, and contingency. Additionally, Guenon's philosophy denies the existence of objective truth and instead posits that all truths are relative. This leads to a relativistic understanding of morality which was dangerous. Guenon's philosophy ultimately fails because it cannot provide a cohesive explanation of the world we live in. It is riddled with contradictions and relies on faulty logic. Additionally, it ultimately leads to a reactionary political stance that is harmful to society.|
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>>21048858
>that societies progress through linear stages from primitive to civilization.
Guenon doesn't believe this though. If anything, you could accuse Guenon of viewing history as a mostly linear decline from high states to low states. For Guenon, the truly primitive is a degeneration of something higher, not an early state of anything. Of course, even this decline has its place in the order of things.

>existence of objective truth and instead posits that all truths are relative.
But Guenon's entire work is about objective, supra-human truth.
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>>21048858
Are we at this point where we call all Hegelianism Marxism?
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Is it true that king chuck is a guenonist???
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>>21048858
>Guenon's work relies on a crude, mechanistic view of history which led him to believe that societies progress through linear stages from primitive to civilization.
Cyclical time
>This teleological view of history ignores the reality of human experience, which is characterized by conflict, chaos, and contingency.
Cyclical time which includes periods of chaos, conflict, strife. Aka the Kali Yuga meme even the lowest of lurkers here knows
>This leads to a understanding of morality which was dangerous
Dangerous by your own notion og morality
>Guenon's philosophy ultimately fails because it cannot provide a cohesive explanation of the world we live in
Lmao, baseless claim
>Additionally, it ultimately leads to a reactionary political stance that is harmful to society
Baseless, pointless, unproven and gay claim
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>>21048858
>Additionally, it ultimately leads to a reactionary political stance that is harmful to society
Reminds me of when I tried to engage with that faggot's 3 hour Jordan Peterson takedown and he just chucks in "rightfully banned for transphobia" as if it's as valid as everything else he was saying. It is insane the types of things people try to frame as objective reality when they are extremely arguable.

>>21048909
https://youtu.be/hnnXKmGQ4nI

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what does this mean for britain????
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>>21048922
Absolutely nothing. Royal family is just a tourist attraction these days, and Charles is a tired, old man anyway.
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>>21048924
>and Charles is a tired, old man anyway.
He could technically live another 27 years anon.
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But what exactly is a guenonist? How do you spot one in the wild?
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>>21048939
Yes, walking his dogs and drinking tea with his wife.

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Every single literature platform becomes unusable over the years due to how bad the userbase becomes. I don't see a way to circumvent this except by literally banning women from using them.
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>>21048921
It's the same problem as any site that doesn't actually track ownership - you can post opinions and rate books without any proof of actually reading them. Good Reads also suffers from people just dropping books they don't like and not rating them altogether so scores overall are inflated.
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>>21048921
Women are not the problem. Americans are

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Is learning German worth it to read Philosophy?
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>>21047864
30 pages/hr, without a dictionary but marking unknown words to review
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>>21043807
In principle yes but I‘m not sure you‘d ever reach enough proficiency. Not as in you specifically, but any GSL/DZS (German Second Language)
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>>21044150
You’re mentally retarded.
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>>21044218
Did you by chance meet these people on discord or reddit?
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>>21044912
Schwach.
>>21046922
>i‘m 20 years old and the closest historical period and event to today was WW2 le nazis and soviets and american chads
>the internet didn’t totally change everything and made people smooth brained
>young people represent the entire population, are accountable and serious people, and aren’t by default retarded
>never been (lived…) in Europe

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he did nothing wrong, Charlotte's biographers literally made shit up about him, also he wrote Wuthering Heights and he wasn't a junkie
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>>21047858

since when did he fucking write wuthering heights??????????
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>>21048116
since it was published, all his friends could tell it was his writing
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>>21047858
Most people think there were three Bronte sisters. In fact there were five. The two oldest, Maria and Elizabeth, died aged 11 and 10, from hunger+cold+illness+general misery. Charlotte says Maria was particularly gifted. Who knows what might have been?

>Work at a public library
>Don't actually read books
>Have to awkwardly fudge my way through book-centric conversations with patrons on a daily basis

It's an unusual type of suffering
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>>21048605
How do you do it? How do you know what to say, from reading lit? Does anyone catch on and give you a dirty look? Or do they string you along naming fake books you nod in agreement until they point at you and say "aha! I knew it, you're a phoney!" and rhe library police drag you off? It's comical, anon, enjoy the absurdity of it.
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>>21048667
I bet you think prostitutes enjoy fucking their patrons.
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>>21048605
Eat shit and die you worthless faggot. I think you might have the brain of a nigger. You ever write like one. Nigger. In the words of a famous Southerner, TV is for niggers. Go watch TV and stop shitting up the board, nigger.
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>>21048865
There are other jobs available other than librarian or prostitute for making money.

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Starting with everybody's favorite faggot, rimbaud
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>>21048467
sounds completely kino and /lit/
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>>21048467

— PATHETIC-BUT-AWESOME
Alexander Pushkin's wife kept having affairs. Eventually Pushkin was forced to take notice and challenge someone to a duel. Before the duel he relaxed with a nice game of chess, then at the appointed hour he rose from the board and said "there is a knight which wants to checkmate me; I shall have to capture him" or something. He went off to the duel but got killed.

— PATHETIC-BUT-AWESOME-BUT-WEIRD
Ambrose Bierce, who wrote The Devil's Dictionary and some other stuff, apparently one day just wandered off and was never seen again. Some say he wandered into the Mexican Civil War; others that he got fed-up with humanity and wandered into the desert a la Beavis and Butthead.

— PATHETIC-BUT-IN-CHARACTER
Shelley liked sailing a boat but was absolutely terrible at it (so bad that his friends refused to accompany him). When they asked him to learn how to do it properly he said "I am not concerned with practical matters" or words to that effect. One day he drowned.
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>Immediately prior to his suicide, Gribyedov uploaded his 25,000 word manifesto and an additional 140,000 words--comprising two complete novels and several volumes of original poetry--to a text hosting website that he believed would archive them in perpetuity. However, automatic moderation bots identified objectionable words in the files, restricted them, and ultimately deleted them entirely. According to Gribyedov's best friend and self-appointed literary executor, the site's actions destroyed the young author's life's work permanently, as he was carrying his laptop when he drowned himself. The size, file names, and file size of the documents are the only information that can be scraped from his upload, which was located based a link provided in his hand written last letter.

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Why hasn't /lit/'s top 100 been updated? What books would you remove/add?
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>>21048791
Calvino's a moron. He probably writes in a dunce cap
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>>21048790
henry James is pap.
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>>21048729
is there an app that allows dragging and dropping them into a different order?
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>>21048813
Paint for Windows
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>>21048729
>Why hasn't /lit/'s top 100 been updated
It was multiple times, there are yearly polls

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I'm in my early 30s. I'm an ugly beta male. I've had no friends since school and no experiences with women ever (dates, even flirting, or had any interest shown in me) apart from prostitutes.

I become the beta male at the bottom of any social circle I come in contact with. This includes being invited to no parties and not going to prom or school leaving parties during the final days of school. And having no social life at all during university. And being the ugly beta nobody talks to during all of my part time jobs in university summers and later full time jobs after university.

People are repulsed by me.

I have no interesting hobbies or passions in life. My main hobbies for the past 5+ years have been mindlessly browsing the internet, exercising, binging on junk food or coffee, or driving and going for aimless walks. I've read more books than the average person but I'm not overly interested in anything.

I failed an absolute shitload of graduate intern and job interviews and was in menial work after university. I eventually managed to get some good jobs and now I'm paid an ok salary (much more than the UK average but that is shit tier, so it's not saying much; and not high at the company I work at).

I'm not a posh person or a generic middle class person and do not fit in with these people. I am not a lower class person and don't fit in with these people.

I can tell from my jobs that people think lowly of me, no matter what I do. In my previous job I had multiple managers treat me like shit and tell me I didn't fit in.

I managed to escape to my current job, which pays more. But I can see myself not being promoted ever. The workplace is also more ruthless, so I could potentially be treated worse than before if people dislike me.

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>>21048876
Bros how do I not end up like OP
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>>21048876
I see froggie i hide froggie
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>>21048896
OP is a retard at life, and knows it, but also narcissistic and thinks that he's better than the average person
Don't get fooled, his fucked life wasn't caused randomly, hes a shitty person (thats why has no friend and never got promoted) and mostlikely people just seem him as an insufferable asshole (instead of the ugly but noble looser he likes to invision himself as)
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>>21048901
It's insane how much the last line in the op bothered you
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>>21048896
Just fuck a girl. Don't waste your time. Go and do it. Even if she's ugly. If you're still an incel by your mid twenties or thirties, even if, by a miracle, you get to lost your virginity and live a normal life, it will feel like you're just pretending.

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Hauntings Edition

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>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS

>Archive
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
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>>21048872
>Really encapsulates the tone of the series
I know its supposed to be superheroes, but with realism, and I'm just having mixed feelings about it.
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>>21045252
>Bran Mak Morn
I liked it, but Howard sadly didn't write enough stories about the guy. Worms of the Earth veers into horror at times.
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>>21048911
>Worms of the Earth veers into horror at times
Is it tastefully done?
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>>21048908
It’s just a comic series written as a book. Nothing to worry about.
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>>21048934
You're probably right, and I'm just overthinking it.

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Connect with other anons in this thread.
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>>21048120
Every single time.
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>>21048160
Maybe try not making meme posts from /pol next time. You made yourself look super ridiculous like all nazis are. Embrace the racist blackpill or don't bother your low IQ mind at all.
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>>21046484
>they are very simple.
Neo-paganism is one thing, but falling for a liberal scheme like fascism doesn't suite you. Glad to see you farming and raising a family, but nationalism can ruin it all faster than lighter liberal policies

>>21047879
I believe it was more the military background

>>21048027
Brown hoards can farm too.

>>21048035
Not very effective outreach, I must say.
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I'm very lonely Convict#8834
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>>21046813
Anything that hits the mainstream eco chamber will be eaten alive or controlled by the many hedge funds and think tanks, there is absolutely no point in breaching the mainstream, even if you do tap into the working class it will still fail as the your power will simply be used to not unite but rather divide people, expect many splinter cells and splinter ideologies, each worse and some more tame than your original core set of ideals.

But that’s the issue, I never intended in my post for natsoc values to be the main focus, I meant /lit/ values or /anon/ values, if you want natsoc values then you’re just going to make a crap ass toxic project that won’t achieve anything, and that is said not because I disagree with it (I do) but that many times before that have been many attempts at it and it just ends up as some shitty discord. The issue is you want to bring your anon opinions about the world to some megaphone but the reality is that these opinions have been heard before and they have been banned before too, you should INSTEAD, create unique ideas and have a monthly if not every 2-3 months you have a big universal board magazine. The current mags are very good attempts, some of the best I have on alternative sites, but they are too small and they are lacking direction, they do not bring the full front of anon culture but rather a mishmash of quality of content, a very good start but it has no way of growing unless it is stickied or forced more into the conversation of this board.

Another thing about your ideals is that they already appear in sub stack and already are able to breath online, and not just in the dirty extreme corners but they do have a competent following of people, many with lives that follow the message but they eventually get eaten up by grifters, stop following the publications or get consumed up in hate they become useless. I am trying to stress that natsoc does not represent Lit and it always must be changed and renovated to reduce its flaws, why stick with an old ass ideology anon.

I am not of similar mind to you but I don’t mind getting a long with you ;) a good start to the zines would be checking out some traditional famous lines and/or checking out Lainzine which is a high quality image board zine.

lastly AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, people are not going to try new things or hop to new things unless there is quality, if you want to bring followers into a different site you must have 1)quality 2)sense of coherent community 3)a new aesthetic(important! for differing your brand and advertising!) 4) New ideas to the table. You can go look at Agora road for what an Anon centric spin off community would look like done by the average joe, it’s successful but not to the standards this board requires.

>>21048019
male ;) pic related

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I've decided to convert to the secular religion of Bardolatry. What do I need to know before joining the faith? Would it be useful to memorize all of a character's lines, such as Macbeth or Hamlet? How much do I need to know of the life of William Shakespeare (PBUH)?
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>>21048641
What evidence do you have for that?
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Enjoy Hell idol-worshippers.
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>>21048749
I’m glad I’m not alone in damning these heathens. Alhamdulillah, brother, we will be rewarded mightily in Heaven by our Lord, Allah, and his Prophet(PBUH).
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what hidden codes and ciphers do you find the most amusing?
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what's the best edition of his complete works?

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I know you've written some, lets see it. God knows none of us will ever publish it
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Sneed

Today I drove past a feed and seed store
I tried to find in the store something more
But the owner was named Sneed.
Sneed's Seed and Feed.
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>>21046968
The 2nd and 4th lines break with the meter in a way that I find deeply unsatisfying. To each their own, of course, but "Away from struggle and from strife." would work better in my very rigid opinion.
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I died once but then I did not
Felt the flowers on my skin
From an endless walk my feet rot
Will I find home again
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>>21048584
>good job
>very nice
>please write moar
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>Grog write wordy words
**Plant**

Plant green. It nice, plant in pot. White pot. Earth in pot, I put plant in pot. Hands dirty. Wash hands. Buy plant on street, plant filthy. Clean plant with cloth. Leaf by leaf. Plant nice, plant name Gerard. Plant grow good, not much sun, still grow good. Me give water to plant. Plant like. Plant grow. Water every week. Big cup, he gulp. Plant new leaf, leaf green. Me happy. Look good. Me proud. Kiss plant.

**Shoe**

Shoe. Me like shoe. Shoe is black. Shoe has scratch. Me no change shoe. Wear shoe day. No one say “You wear same shoe.” Good. They dumb. Shoe stink. Always. Sweat live in shoe, always. Always smell. New day, new sock. Sock wet from shoe. Sock wash. Shoe scratch, me sad. Black shoe, cow skin. Me rub black in scratch, shoe new. Good shoe.

**Shit**

Shit. Smell shit. It bad. Real bad. Eat shit? No bad! Mom said, it bad. Mom right. Look shit, look good at shit. No yellow in shit? No green? No red? Good shit. Me approve, me smell. Smell bad but good, my smell. You shit smell bad, you smell. Shit look good, shit safe. Me wipe. Me approve. Flush shit. Wave bye. Bye shit.

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And before hell mouth; dry plain
and two mountains;
On the one mountain, a running form,
and another
In the turn of the hill; in hard steel
The road like a slow screw’s thread,
The angle almost imperceptible,
so that the circuit seemed hardly to rise;
And the running form, naked, Blake,
Shouting, whirling his arms, the swift limbs,
Howling against the evil,
his eyes rolling,
Whirling like flaming cart-wheels,
and his head held backward to gaze on the evil
As he ran from it,

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>>21045945
I’ll reply to your post in depth later even if it wasn’t really for me.
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>>21047496
>>21047501
Its so easy to just close the webpage and come back and not have a (you) lol.
>it’s just love of pound is not universal my dude.
Doesn't have to be. He was a detestable human being for most of his life, and his poetry has its qualities as I've tried to show, but is certainly not everyones cup of tea.

He's really an outlier for my usual type of poetry too, I'm a really big fan of classical stuff and mythology, something about Pound and a few other modern poets just speaks to me.
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I don't get it
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>>21048272
Read more
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>>21047522
Detestable in what sense?


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