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Global pandemic, likely another Trump victory, possible leftist radicalization. Is liberalism actually ending?
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If we are lucky, the roadmap is as follows:
>Pandemic causes governments to assume stricter authoritarian control in the name of "public health" - similar to the Patriot Act after 9/11
>Simultaneously, the general population has an massively increased desire to become economically independent, move out of cities, buy guns, stockpile supplies
>In opposition and reaction to government powers extending, cultural protest shifts to an anti-authoritarian zeitgeist. General public becomes generally opposed to government interventionism in the same way they moved for minority rights
>Cities depopulate as people disperse to rural areas in realization of the issues with cities
>Advances in areas such as 3d printing allow for home/local production to overtake mass international factory production. People can print pcbs at a local printing center and build their own phones, laptops or other devices.
>Local industries are either based in agriculture or raw material production. Most people grow their own food or obtain food locally. No reliance on food imports, but they exist as a luxury.
>Large media firms dissolve as small scale productions become increasingly sophisticated. Small groups working from home can adequately compete with multi million dollar companies.
>Society becomes essentially run by small local councils. Often people in even further rural areas live completely autonomously.
It's wishful thinking, but it's not impossible.
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>>15054333
I don't think you're really engaging with the crux of my argument. Nice digits
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>>15054463
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read
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>>15054485
Sure, it's an idealized situation
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>>15054355
Cheers, mate.

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Can I read Don Quixote in English?
Which translation should I read?
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no one told me that book 2 was sad
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ORMSBY
every single time its ORMSBY
NOW FUCK THE HELL OFF!!
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>>15053770
Esto, aprende español puto anglo
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>>15053728
You can, but you can also read Ulysses in Spanish. Is it right tho? Are you reading it for the prose? For the story?
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>>15054495
Stop posting please

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I think I have to make a comment. I find that generally speaking, something that people heavily interested in philosophy don't understand is that Plato and Aristotle (in the Topics, for instance), weren't speaking of things like 'heated arguments' or 'debate club discussions' even, they were especially not interested in political topics, what they wrote about when they referred to 'dialectic's is similar to the way Euclid would have defined his arguments: that they have to prove initial propositions first to move towards the construction of greater figures (theses, or problems).

I think the interesting thing is that in most of Plato's dialogues he starts in the middle of them, kind of taking as assumed some things, but leaving the conclusion he is aiming towards dark. I think that these sorts of dialogues, or discussions, happened often and for this reason, if they did actually happen, what you are reading when you are reading a Platonic dialogue, is one of the best of them. Similar to how many mathematicians had many versions of their own Euclidean 'Elements', but only the best survived because it held up infallibly to criticism. Much like this, you see Plato has transcribed a dialogue between the philosopher Socrates, and another person, who most likely knows the darkness that is hidden at the beginning, but wants to fully test and flesh out the system.

In this way, it's nothing like a debate where the people don't agree on something, a Platonic dialogue or dialectics as some translate Aristotle in his Organon, is more scientific: a method of defining something greater.

:3
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bump because academic learning shouldn't be so fragmented/segmented

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all is change
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Is all change?
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>>15053745
And all is one.
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>>15053745
that results in the contradiction of the nature of things being unchanging

in truth, immutableness is the nature of the reality which is the unmoved mover of all change, read Guenon (pbuh)
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>>15053745
Then isn't change a constant, which being itself unchanging makes the proposition self-refuting? This seems like another variant on "everything is relative" to me.
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all is cringe

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> Wake up at 5:00pm on a standard day
> Masturbate
> Shower if my head feels itchy, usually don't do this that often because there's not much point
> Read from 7:00pm to 12:00pm
> Small lunch, on disability so can't afford much, probably the only reason I'm not fat lol
> Read more until 3:00am
> Go for a few laps around the park, just walk about a bit so i don't atrophy
> Get takeaway (usually kebab) or make small dinner if money is tighter than usual
> Browse 4chan until bed time at 7am
> repeat until i finally have the balls to hang myself

I bet I'm the only one out of all of you living a TRUE literary lifestyle. I have forsaken the world and dedicated my existence to literature.
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>>15051883
Yes
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>>15048155
Anon be careful tomorrow, a red or blue car will swerve at you on your second right from your house
Dodge to the left
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>> Read from 7:00pm to 12:00pm

How do you read for 17 hours straight... and then read more until 3 AM? When do you sleep if you're reading in that 17 hour interval?

We need more information on how you aren't dying if you aren't sleeping at all, OP.
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>>15047932
where does 4chan fit into this imaginary shedule
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>>15049538
what do you have to feel anxious about? you don't do anything

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How come when I read a 19th century Russian book like Crime and Punishment the characters feel very modern, but when reading an American book from the same era it feels so old and antiquated?
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>>15052095
I think its the quality of the writting. a well written book can realy transend time in a lot of ways. Its odd how modern Pensees feels as well, and the non esoteric parts of moby dick actually feel the same.
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>>15052095
Because the themes explored in those works are relavant to our predicament as 21th century men. Which is to say that you're a bad reader of literature.
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>>15053897
Their history is long and bloodied and they have a huge swath of their country that is uninhabitable.
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>>15053167
Not true. What works would you even be talking about.

T. Read every major and minor Russian writer from old myths and Karamzin to post-Yeltsin
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>>15054154
this.

if not then it's because the outlook displayed in those works is more alike yours today. in other words you have failed to inherit the outlook of your own culture and collapsed into mockery.

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what's /lit/s opinion on Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow"? Trying to get through the first part at around page 125 and im losing it, taking longer breaks between reading, etc.
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>>15052449
>what's /lit/s opinion on Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow"?
I love it! The first part can be tough but the second part gets a bit easier. The third part is best described by its epigraph ("Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore"). The fourth part is also be best described by its epigraph, which you can look up yourself.
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>>15052449
Stopped at 27 pages.
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idgaf what ur talking abt but that painting is very nice. i wish there was an art board that wasnt like gay anime and shit

In The Pale King Chris Fogle goes from a wastoid Benny Profane type character to someone who takes on work at the IRS after a pseudo religious awakening (and Adderall). Was DFW commenting on how those who lack meaning could find happiness by finding work they feel called to, in a very Midwest Protestant ethic type of way, or was he suggesting that hopeless people will cling to vague notions to try to make up for past failures?

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read something you like, english or whatever your native language is https://vocaroo.com/
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>>15050490
Kek
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>>15050471
that's a good one, my fav probably being the murders in the rue morgue
>The Pit and the Pendulum
https://voca.ro/4YJRlF0WwHr
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>>15052835
Rue Morgue is great too, but my favorite is probably William Wilson, it was the story that made me love Poe.
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>>15050412
Even if this isn't you, it is a beautiful reading by someone with most excellent training
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This is a nice thread, I like hearing you all

is it good or one of those "popular only because a movie was based on it" books?
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>>15054285
so should I skip it or is it worth a read? I remember reading it in high school and my first thought was that it's hard to read as if it was written by an autist or ESL person
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>>15054288
do whatever you want you autist. i don't care. i'm here to discuss books, not be your book mommy and tell you what to read.
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>>15054277

Alien is my favorite film and I also like Apocalypse Now (both 1979, interestingly). I've really got to get round to reading some Conrad at some point.
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>>15054288
read it. Joseph Conrad is a good writer. He wrote from personal experience as a sailor. Some people are put off by the Victorian era prose, but Heart of Darkness is really short. You can probably read it in an afternoon.
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>>15054388

Have people who complain about Conrad's style actually read the book (or his books)? I've heard it a couple of times, but I simply don't get it, for Conrad's prose is excellent and it's not boring.

> The tidal current runs to and fro in its unceasing service, crowded with memories of men and ships it had borne to the rest of home or to the battles of the sea. It had known and served all the men of whom the nation is proud, from Sir Francis Drake to Sir John Franklin, knights all, titled and untitled—the great knights-errant of the sea. It had borne all the ships whose names are like jewels flashing in the night of time, from the Golden Hind returning with her rotund flanks full of treasure, to be visited by the Queen's Highness and thus pass out of the gigantic tale, to the Erebus and Terror, bound on other conquests—and that never returned. It had known the ships and the men. They had sailed from Deptford, from Greenwich, from Erith—the adventurers and the settlers; kings' ships and the ships of men on 'Change; captains, admirals, the dark “interlopers” of the Eastern trade, and the commissioned “generals” of East India fleets. Hunters for gold or pursuers of fame, they all had gone out on that stream, bearing the sword, and often the torch, messengers of the might within the land, bearers of a spark from the sacred fire. What greatness had not floated on the ebb of that river into the mystery of an unknown earth!... The dreams of men, the seed of commonwealths, the germs of empires.

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none of you actually finish entire books right? You just read the headings of the chapters that sound most interesting and move on right? I mean who seriously sits here and reads 1000 pages of nonsense that can be summed up in like 20 pages.
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I only read the middle chapter of a book. I know everything I need to know from that, and make up the rest from my imagination.
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>>15054406
>I mean who seriously sits here and reads 1000 pages of nonsense that can be summed up in like 20 pages
"Hurr durr I simply read for plot, a single platitude, and to impress people at dinner parties, work, and casual conversations." I read because I enjoy it and to improve my writing, you're just a faggot bait or no bait
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>>15054406
>You just read the headings of the chapters that sound most interesting and move on right?
Yeah it usually goes like this:
>4
Nah, sounds boring.
>19
Lame.
>31
Now this is a chapter that seems promising.

So apparently there is a subreddit titled
"Menwritingwomen"
In where women make fun of male authors who write women characters poorly...

Ho boy, how anally raped women would get if men decided to do the inverse.
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>>15048063
everyone treats female (male) as male regardless of ideological investment, it's unavoidable. so what basis do you have to say that they are female. clearly not biological or social. i think the only men who come close to being women, while ironically otherwise being normal heterosexual men, are naturally feminine men. not faggots or trannies but femboys. behaviourally and physically they are the most feminine, no, whoring yourself online is not feminine despite trannies holding it as the ultimate goal and symbol of womanhood, and with that people treat them the most like women of any kind of man. this is problematic because women can't be attracted to them, more like one of the girls or a little brother, so they often end up trying to be halfheartedly gay. almost no legit (that is, ideological) tranny falls under this category.
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>>15050144
That passage is based
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>>15046658
>defending S. King ever
kys
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>>15051285
>I think women have an inability to critically dissociate, or they have an inability to hold two conflicting thoughts simultaneously, which is the fundamental reason why they hate books with "racist and sexist" characters, even flawed characters if they do not agree with the flaws. In other words, they are incapable of empathy unless they see an exact reflection of themselves or a prettied version of themselves (mary-sue). For instance, women are simply unable to sympathize with Norton's character from American History X, because they just dismiss him as a racist. Women are unable to move, psychologically, into different spaces, thus they are incredibly similar to children in that respect.
interesting take, mmm, /tv/?
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That's fucking dialogue from a male character, not a "man writing a woman".

The name of the board should be /r/womenreadingmen

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Help me bros.
I am trying to go back to Christianity but find it very difficult to reconcile with Christian Theology.
>God loves you unconditionally
Why has he not helped me get a new job despite the prayers I have made about this? I have found it difficult to be happy in my current job. I spend my free time learning new skills, I apply for jobs I am at least 80% qualified for, I am driven to try and do something transformative for society in this life. This is how I want to put my autism into use.
>God is fair
Why do some have 5 talents and others 1 talent? It seems like it is so obvious that I would thank God if he gave me 5 talents. Why does he give others less and end goal the same for all?
>God is Just
Then why does he allow evil people a way back with Grace? This is so wrong if I was to be a victim and meet this individual in the Kingdom of God.
>Relationship with God
What am I supposed to expect from a relationship with God? I expect Him to help me get forward in life and I use positions of influence to make a positive change but people say this is prosperity gospel tier
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>>15050698
Discord trannies are eating dinner. Give it a few minutes. Also check the Christianity generals on /pol/ if you want to see hostility
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>>15053087
I want to talk about politics on /lit/ because I want to hear /lit/ opinions and people on here aren't idiots. How on-topic do threads need to be here?
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>>15053109
>people on here aren't idiots
that's debatable
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>>15052865
https://themattwalshblog.com/jesus-didnt-care-about-being-nice-or-tolerant-and-neither-should-you/
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>>15047692
Try Barth or Tillich. They might be a bit of help. They’re more cerebral and mature than “big sky daddy sitting on a cloud” self-help-with-jesus stuff that sometimes passes for theology.

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What was his endgame?
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>>15051937
is there a more based and redpilled character in literature? how can one even compete?
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>>15051937
There is no endgame. He is eternal. He is the forest. He is the life force of the trees.
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He was the physical embodiment of the Ainulindalë. He had no endgame, he just was.
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>>15051955
Why live?
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>>15051937
He has no endgame he was a representation of the nature spirit.

How to improve my prose?
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write
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>>15054416
and show others. receive criticism. decide what to do with said criticism


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