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Let me ask you lit... you’ve heard of beyond good and evil... but what’s beyond order and chaos?
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Hack
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>>15016513
Why did he appear so small and weak next to his sexy giantess daughter on the last book cover?
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>>15016513
ug just that title SCREAMS pseud arguments meant to be gobbled up by internet guys who don't read
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>>15016513
sattva?

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Who's got the best prose? Post examples if you got them.
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>>15015983
please, go ahead and let us know how you can recognize that without an analysis of the content?
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The moon followed the rain into a cloud. I wanted to give thanks to the dun and moon and rolling moors and the mounds and hollows of peat forming and reforming in slow logics of energy down through the ancestors of the widow and her husband who had been a seaman and a crofter and the others here who came to church twice each Sunday, minister or no minister, for he moved from place to time dispersing his face and voice across the simple independences of their creed. I would not have wished to wake these living and dead ancestors from the nature of their past and present.
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>>15015987
Schopenhauer didn't write in English, brainlet.
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>>15015971
You can't be serious. You shouldn't be on /lit/ if you are that ignorant.

Writers of /lit/, show me your nu-metal lyrics.

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Poetry writers: describe your writing process when writing poems.
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I usually think of the meaning of the poem and then start writing and see what comes out. Edit and arrange as needed.
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i live my life in a way that attempts to set me up to be uber-inspired as often as i can be. doesn't end up being that often.

i think of writing poetry like sculpting, but instead of 3d space you're occupying it's time, or maybe a 1 dimensional line (same thing) (same goes for when i write music).

i only ever start writing when there's a strong feeling, positive or negative, that i need to capture quickly. sometimes a poem just makes me laugh, or i'm writing to make me laugh. i'll hear the first line in my head while i'm driving, say, and write it down, and then chisel out the rest of the poem from there.

if it's about something conceptual, though, i'll free write to get all the loose thoughts out of my head, then i get to the essence of what i'm trying to describe. like, i wrote a poem about this painting, but not before i wrote 3 pages of nonsense about why i loved it so much
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>>15015472

I think this is one of the more common processes. Similar to mine.
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>>15013995
I just write shit and see how it goes
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>>15013995
I masturbate and just before cumming I start writing, thus transferring the luck portion to my hand and on the paper. In fact I used this method for this response.

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Been really enjoying the Plague, but I feel that some of the philisophical points are too enigmatic. Does anybody have links to some discussion/papers?
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>>15015921
Also, as a follow-up: Are there any good critiques of existentialism?
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>>15015921
Existentialism is a cope that makes life seem a bit cooler to escape utter nihilism.

How can I de-Hume and de-Kant myself? I’m so indulged in their world views that I cannot take upon metaphysical quests that so many of /lit/ are pursuing.
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>>15015538
Yes he's continental, anything before Frege and that it's origin is neither the US nor the UK, is continental
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>>15015318
i know that feel
waiting to meet another interesting woman
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>>15015724
I didn't say that to be a pure intuition means "necessary or universal." See, I stuck to Kant's language so you could read my position and have it make sense. I don't know what you're on about.
What does universal development mean?
What do you mean by clear limits? As ideas? As definitions?
Your use of the term 'precondition' is bizarre if not qualified.
>dimensional substances
Look, change for example is a form of sensible intuition in general (not time), but it is not known a priori or 'purely.'
>Kant's Aristotelian universe
bro I can't read your mind, there's so much that's unclear in what you just said.
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>>15015741
Isn't Hume Scottish?
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>>15016368
I think he's saying Hume did capital-C Continental philosophy not that he was from the continent.

Are human beings inherently good or evil?
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good thread
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good, then evil, then good again (but only sometimes)
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Are chimpanzees good or evil? Sometimes chimp is funny monke, sometimes he rips your balls off
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>>15016529
>Jamie, pull that up...
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>>15015993
Both.

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“If you live the sacred and despise the ordinary, you are still bobbing in the ocean of delusion.” -Lin chi

''“If you want to perceive and understand objectively, just don’t allow yourself to be confused by people. Detach from whatever you find inside or outside yourself – detach from religion, tradition, and society, and only then will you attain liberation. When you are not entangled in things, you pass through freely to autonomy.”
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>>15015629
So, which Zen Master said Zen was anything about being deferential to the claims of New Age quacks?
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>>15006256
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>Or better yet, what Nagarjuna text is vital?
for mahayana, all vedas and Upanishads are the vital source texts
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>>15015914
Zen Masters reject that sutra study has anything to do with Zen or that they have any more value than (used) toilet paper.
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>>15015923
So are you like a zen version of a fundamentalist baptist? What would the Zen Masters (pbuh) have to say about namefagging?

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This is not our condition. There is no sufficiency in this place for all there is, is insufficient in itself. This imperfect life is striving for life and this struggle is deceived through minor satisfactions, ''Do not be deceived by the filling of the belly'', into continuation, into indulging in Telesis Gnomike, the choosing between this or that according to our fallen personhood. The resolution of minor deficiencies allows the major ones to be set aside, to remain deficient. As such all living is self-affirmation in the future, it is the stretching of one's self into time and other equally deficient things. ''Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it''. The only way out of this insufficiency is not to hope for anything, for divinity does not stand after something, it is ever present, as life is whenever someone sleeps.
Are there any books that convey something similar to this, this sort of theist-gnostic nihilism?
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Which Nobel Prize laureates are actually worth reading?
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>>15016020

I was referring specifically to the statutes of the prize, which value things along the lines that I'd used with that two word phrase "liberal humanist". To be fair it's been a long time since I read the statutes and they may have since changed but the point is that they don't value truth above all other considerations and this necessarily degrades the value of the prize.

In any case I really don't think the prize would have been given to those people if they didn't have some sort of life-affirming pro-human message immanent in their works (or could be reasonably construed in same terms), even if it's buried under a heavy dose of gulag horror or whatever. I mean "liberal" in its real, classical freedom-sense of course, together with humanism in a simple pro-human sense. Without making a value judgment about Nick Land, say, you won't see them giving him a Nobel for literature. Or a Eugene Thacker. At about this point, one could reasonably criticize my invocation of the word "value" itself...
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>>15013958
Which novels did you like the most?
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Canetti's best work by far are lowkey his three volume memoirs btw.
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>>15013888
The ones I actually read that were good are
Handke
Vargas Llosa
Saramago
Kenzaburo Oe
Morrison (yes she is good)
Cela
Octavio Paz
Goldling
And the greatest of all, Gabo
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>>15013888
Knut Hamsun

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Books about living as a jubilant black American .

Long post, bear with me.

The ultimate question is of course: what is this? Meaning what is the experience of consciousness, Dasein, why is there something instead of nothing? Science and philosophy are two distractions created in the face of this question. Science interrogates the physical world and establishes rules which seem to govern its behavior but ultimately it has never brought us any closer to an understanding of consciousness, there is still an incredible gap to be bridged between physical matter governed by universal laws and consciousness. The theory of evolution explains why objects or beings apparently consisting entirely of unconscious matter act as if driven by “desire”, but evolutionarily explicable “desires” (the desire to live, to reproduce) are merely matter moving (driven the by randomness which can emerge from the simple rules of physics, quantum physics makes this randomness intrinsic, but it need not be, see Conways Game of Life for proof that virtual randomness can emerge within systems governed by simple rules) under the simple rule of natural selection. The simple rule of evolution when applied to Matter Dictated by Physics can produce all the complexity (and patterns) of life on earth, but cannot explain what an experience or emotion or thought Is or why it exists. Even though almost all these (experiences, emotions, thoughts, henceforth referred to as objects of Dasein) are “about” or “in terms of” the physical matter of the world described by science, they do not necessarily have any physical manifestations, they clearly exist “outside” of the physical world, they are “in” Dasein (in lay English we would say “inside our heads” using a physical metaphor even though an object of Dasein, a thought for example, is not perceived as an physical object and cannot really be inside something) and as such are not subject too or explained by evolution.
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tl;dr
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>>15016431
Good stuff
Goodnight anon <3
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>>15016431
Op here, I obviously took my definition of “Dasein” from Heidegger but I haven’t actually read much of his writing, I am a beginner in philosophy and saw some possible value in putting out my thoughts before I had read deeply
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>>15016477
yea that was obvious. But while I was reading I had a few good thoughts that usually doesn’t happen. It’s interesting how there is a, albeit unintentional, monopoly on the possibilities of thought by the big sciencia and strong philosophia. I think they are totally necessary to confront but rarely do we get a chance to suspend these places and all that they bring and consider it all from the bottom. Whatever we may think of the world, what if we suspended that and tied to think of our own Phenomenology, would it all be similar? I think it takes that and a thourough understanding of the history of thought to break new ground. Often people just reconstruct, and other times people build new things but are skilled enough. I was reading what you wrote and it really does take putting all those big notions on the table and saying, hm
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>>15016375
Anon I love this, write more. But one thing:
>we have continued to evolve and in turn evolved our technology, through technology we have looked back as far we can and we saw the Big Bang, but the Big Bang is only perceptible because of our current level of evolution, our distance from the source. Seeing the Big Bang is truly looking back and not going back,
And I really like that, but then:
>I think we should try going back, unevolving, unthinking even, until we get back to when something happened and before that even
But I think you don't consider this: Why didn't we catch it the first time? Is it possible that we are only able to see it now that we have gotten this far? Perhaps with better tech in future societies, we'll have an eagle eye view. I do like your idea and I have some ideas of my own about:
>The first method of unevolving I think of is acting like a monkey of course, but even if I made myself into a perfect imitation of an ape I would still know that I had made myself into an ape, and I would know this in a specifically human way, know it as only a being in the human portion of the river could. this is a problem I can’t seem to get around, I easily could start to unevolve, but how would unthink. Any thoughts lit?
I do not conciser the solution to necessarily start seeing through the eyes of unsolved creatures. But, I do think that undertaking to get in the mindset of these creatures is practice, as is taking up new mindsets in general, so as to be able to view issues from multiple angles. One method I'd recc is staying awake for an extended period, or taking drugs, and viewing footage of various animals and people, trying to undertake as complete a different mindset as able.

Mind games are very interesting. Good for mental health. Research tulpamancy. \ The imagination is able to do anything, even overlay over senses.

Joan of Arc was not stuck at the cross-roads, either by rejecting all the paths like Tolstoy, or by accepting them all like Nietzsche. She chose a path, and went down it like a thunderbolt. Yet Joan, when I came to think of her, had in her all that was true either in Tolstoy or Nietzsche, all that was even tolerable in either of them. I thought of all that is noble in Tolstoy, the pleasure in plain things, especially in plain pity, the actualities of the earth, the reverence for the poor, the dignity of the bowed back. Joan of Arc had all that and with this great addition, that she endured poverty as well as admiring it; whereas Tolstoy is only a typical aristocrat trying to find out its secret. And then I thought of all that was brave and proud and pathetic in poor Nietzsche, and his mutiny against the emptiness and timidity of our time. I thought of his cry for the ecstatic equilibrium of danger, his hunger for the rush of great horses, his cry to arms. Well, Joan of Arc had all that, and again with this difference, that she did not praise fighting, but fought. We KNOW that she was not afraid of an army, while Nietzsche, for all we know, was afraid of a cow. Tolstoy only praised the peasant; she was the peasant. Nietzsche only praised the warrior; she was the warrior. She beat them both at their own antagonistic ideals; she was more gentle than the one, more violent than the other. Yet she was a perfectly practical person who did something, while they are wild speculators who do nothing. It was impossible that the thought should not cross my mind that she and her faith had perhaps some secret of moral unity and utility that has been lost. And with that thought came a larger one, and the colossal figure of her Master had also crossed the theatre of my thoughts.
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>>15016374
Tolstoy and Nietzsche BTFO

BTW Jeanne is literally the most astounding woman, if not person, to exist. When you read about her, her charisma, her personality, her life you can't help but think that an angel incarnated in that place and time to protect the french
Also fuck anglos and fuck the united kingdom
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>>15016374

90% of female behaviour is explained by PMS
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>>15016374
What biography of Joan should I read in order to understand her virtue as you described it?
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>>15016374
I like Joan, I dislike fat posturing Chesterton

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Thinkers who are extremely based and extremely cringe at the same time
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Me desu
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>>15015042
he said they also have to be based
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>>15015001
Wittgenstein. Teaching first order logic to elementary school kids just makes me chuckle and wince at the same time.
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>>15015001
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Gotta throw Cioran in here

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Why is Nietzsche considered an egoist author?
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>>15015408
>NEETSHEE
He's not an egoist, because there is a Cause higher than Your Cause. That is, of course, the path to become the Ubermensch.
>Stirner
"It is possible I can make very little of myself; but this little is everything, and better than what I allow to be made out of me by the might of others, by the training of custom, religion, the laws, the State."
Max Stirner
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>>15015408
Stirner and Nietzsche were both hacks, read Marx.
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Read Ecce Homo and you’ll see
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>>15016474
>read Marx.


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