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California counties scrambling to find ventilators as Newsom sends 500 to other states

Newsom’s decision to lend 500 state-owned ventilators to New York and other coronavirus hot spots outside California has caught some local officials in his own state off guard as they scramble to acquire the much-needed medical equipment, particularly in Riverside County.

Thanks for posting that. It honestly wasnt even that bad. I was expecting heavier bias, or outright lies. But that was about on par with what I'd hear on NPR.
Fuck the CCP.

>>582143
Those are some weird communists you talk to. All you had to do to start a business in the USSR, is fill out some forms and get someone in the party to sign them, and if you had something that looked like it'd aid the party, that government support would generally be pretty forthcoming - not too different from starting a non-profit in the US, or even simply incorporating. Hundreds of thousands of new businesses were signed into being every year in the USSR.

Granted, it was also a horrific tyranny, so the caveat would be that you weren't on any watch lists, or anyplace a lot of people were, and of course poking your head up while you were a potential enemy of the party was potentially fatal. Sadly, you don't have to be under a government labeling itself socialist or communist for that to be the case, you just have to be under a tyranny.

>>582153
Nor is it anti-communist, but that's also not how a worker owned startup really works. Granted, if it was anti-communist, I suppose we'd be less apt to have bat-soup incidents in China.

>>582154
So what would happen?

>>582085
>under the guise of anti-communism
What the fuck are you even talking about
"""anti-communism""" isn't driving me to seek out my communist neighbors and hunt them down.
>Meanwhile Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft, and thousands of other IT startups rise up out of actual communism
Hahahaaa shut the fuck up

>>580354
Trumptards are the political equivalent of bronies.

>>582185
lol

>>582011
>wojak.png

>>582008
>>581766
I love America's delusional "good guy with a gun" obsession. Anybody who actually has any experience or knowledge with actual physical engagement knows that a gun in the hand of some fucking scared, untrained dipshit can make situations infinitely worse. Often times having a gun can escalate what would be a minor physical confrontation to a life or death conflict. I own several guns and am a strong believer in the second amendment but people and their delusional gun fantasies irritate the shit out of me. Everyone so scared of confrontation they walk around with a handgun they've deluded themselves into thinking they're just going to whip out on a public street or parking garage and go Rambo with.

>>582208
>I love America's delusional "good guy with a gun" obsession.
People put too much faith into the "good guy with a gun" scenario because it works in specific situations, so they assume it must apply to every situation. For instance, there a plenty of stories of someone defending their home or store with a personal firearm, so clearly a gun in private hands can stop criminals. However, you almost never hear about "good guys with guns" stopping mass shooters. It all comes down to situational awareness: anything that makes it harder to identify the shooter makes the good guy less effective. Add more people, and the shooter can hide the the crowd. Even worse, if you add more than one good guy, then the possibility of them killing each other instead of the bad guy is sadly probable. For instance, during an attack police station a reinforcing plainclothes officer was shot by his fellow uniformed officers because they couldn't quickly identify that he was one of the good guys.
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/maryland-cop-mistook-plainclothes-officer-threat-fatal-shooting/story?id=37699834
Of course, even in mass shootings it's possible for armed civilians to be useful, but it takes deliberate coordination, which requires time. The best example of this is the Texas tower shooter, in which police recruited local students and other civilians to fire on the sniper. However even in this incident one of the officers was nearly hit by friendly fire, so there is still danger in coordinating with civilian shooters.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

>>582208
>I own several guns
No you don't.
>and am a strong believer of the second amendment
No you aren't.
>blah blah good guy with gun is myth durr
Wrong.

>>582228
>you almost never hear about "good guys with guns" stopping mass shooters.
1) They usually stop them before it becomes a mass shooting
or
2) The shooting is in a gun free zone.

>>582199
So you are unaware of how full of shit you are, good to know.

>>582204
Presidential debates do not work by whatever formal debate rules you care to name, and they haven't since as long as I can remember. Trump is an absolute master at what the modern day political debate actually is, not what it should be in some ideal scenario that if it existed at all it was over a hundred years ago at least.

>>582198
You sound...nervous for some reason.

>>582215
>Presidential debates do not work by whatever formal debate rules you care to name, and they haven't since as long as I can remember.
Presidential debates work like every other debate, friend. There is a moderator. There are questions. There are periods for each opponent to answer said questions. There are designated times for rebuttals. I don't know where you learned what a debate is but you don't just get to repurpose its meaning to fit your narrative. Presidential debates are literally as formal as debate gets you fucking dimwit.


>Trump is an absolute master at what the modern day political debate actually is
He definitively, 100% is not. His supporters do not care about his debate skills. His supporters follow him in spite of his absolutely horrid ability to engage with anybody he disagrees with or provide coherent explanations for his platforms and policies. Trump cannot debate. What Trump can do is bully and belittle his opponents and the only people who actually think that is equivalent to winning a debate are the people who were already on his team to begin with. Seriously, dude, you just don't know what a debate is. Stop trying to come up with your own definition to mask your incredibly lack of knowledge.

>>582204
>>582215
Just a gentle reminder of what we've come to:
https://youtu.be/9yC7-JsR2Fk
...also this:
https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8?t=31

Unlike the author of 215 there, I am old enough to remember when presidential debates looked, at least vaguely, like actual debates. I mean they weren't perfect... But "Running your opponent over with a car effectively 'shuts down' their speech", is exactly how you "win" these days, and while Trump can't dialectic his way out of a wet paper bag, he is a master at the shouting match our political "debates" have become.

>>582217
>>Presidential debates work like every other debate, friend.
lol no, maybe they did once upon a time, but they don't now.
>>There is a moderator. There are questions. There are periods for each opponent to answer said questions. There are designated times for rebuttals. I don't know where you learned what a debate is but you don't just get to repurpose its meaning to fit your narrative. Presidential debates are literally as formal as debate gets you fucking dimwit.
None of this shit matters you faggot, Trump effortlessly clowned all over Hillary and he will do the same to Biden.
>>He definitively, 100% is not. His supporters do not care about his debate skills. His supporters follow him in spite of his absolutely horrid ability to engage with anybody he disagrees with or provide coherent explanations for his platforms and policies. Trump cannot debate. What Trump can do is bully and belittle his opponents and the only people who actually think that is equivalent to winning a debate are the people who were already on his team to begin with. Seriously, dude, you just don't know what a debate is. Stop trying to come up with your own definition to mask your incredibly lack of knowledge.
Yeah no, Trump is the master of what political debates are in the here and now, nobody gives a fuck about your feelings and nobody cares if some self-important establishment politician gets bullied. All that matters is that Trump does a fine job of metaphorically piledriving his opponents into the metaphorical concrete.

>>582184
>I'm referring to the debates, and how viciously Trump is going to attack Biden and how poorly Biden will respond to being challenged
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the last three years. Trump's only method of engagement is name calling and false accusations. Biden, out of all the candidates, as old and meandering as he is, is the only one who has ever been willing to meet Trump's vitriol word for word. Biden literally responded to a Trump jab by telling him he'd like to take him behind a building and kick the shit out of him. If you think Biden is just going to sit there and struggle to jab back while Trump calls him funny names and makes up false accusations then you have clearly never seen Biden speak. Granted, Biden would be in trouble if he had a semi coherent or competent debate opponent but luckily for him he doesn't.

>it's not going to be particularly hard for him to get 270 EC votes when his opponent is constantly stumbling over his own words.
I'm convinced you don't live on the same planet as the rest of us if you genuinely believe that stumbling on his own words and making absolutely no fucking sense is a trait exclusive to Biden. I don't know what you have been huffing that's convinced you that Trump can talk circles around anybody. His voter base has never required him to be eloquent in the slightest so its pretty much Trump's election to lose if he does what everyone thinks he's going to do and alienates even more of the moderates he has scared off these last 4 years.

>>582211
>>Biden literally threatened Trump with physical violence in response to a verbal barb
Dude, if you think this means that Biden has a chance against Trump you are even more deluded then the Berniebros who are likely going on about how he can still win again.
>>I'm convinced you don't live on the same planet as the rest of us if you genuinely believe that stumbling on his own words and making absolutely no fucking sense is a trait exclusive to Biden.
If you're referring to Trump here, I will simply refer you to the current coronavirus briefings, where he has actually shown that he is capable of clear, lucid speech and coherent sentences. Regardless of what you may think about the incendiary nature of some of Trump's rhetoric, he is leagues ahead of Biden here.

>>I don't know what you have been huffing that's convinced you that Trump can talk circles around anybody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ Watch this and then remember that Jeb Bush, the guy Trump utterly destroyed repeated on national TV repeatedly would likely beat Biden in a debate.

>>582220
>Dude, if you think this means that Biden has a chance against Trump you are even more deluded then the Berniebros who are likely going on about how he can still win again.
Your reading comprehension is fucking horrendous. I used this as an example to counter your absurd statement that Biden would somehow be frozen and stupefied by Trump's "debate style". All Trump knows how to do is jab and Biden, despite his clearly failing faculties, knows how to jab back.

>If you're referring to Trump here, I will simply refer you to the current coronavirus briefings, where he has actually shown that he is capable of clear, lucid speech and coherent sentences.
Yes, he still has the ability to read a piece of paper, anon. Not sure where you expected that point of yours to land but reading a prepared statement is not equivalent to producing clear, coherent sentences. Last time I checked Biden was still able to read as well so it seems that in this category they're neck and neck.

>Watch this and then remember that Jeb Bush, the guy Trump utterly destroyed repeated on national TV repeatedly would likely beat Biden in a debate.
You've been watching too many Ben Shapiro videos if you genuinely think that just calling somebody names is "destroying" them in a debate.

>"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off"
If these are the coherent, sentence building abilities that Trump is going to bring to a debate then we're essentially signing up to watch two retards fight over an old can of beans.

>>582221
>>All Trump knows how to do is jab and Biden, despite his clearly failing faculties, knows how to jab back.
Wrong on both counts, what Trump did to Shillary proves the first and the mere fact that Biden reacts to insults by threatening to beat someone up is proof that he doesn't actually know how to hit back verbally in a way that doesn't make him look like a deranged old man.
>>Yes, he still has the ability to read a piece of paper, anon. Not sure where you expected that point of yours to land but reading a prepared statement is not equivalent to producing clear, coherent sentences. Last time I checked Biden was still able to read as well so it seems that in this category they're neck and neck.
Yeah right, you keep telling yourself that the only thing he can do is read off a string of paper when he effortlessly deals with gotcha questions from various reporters and gives the MSM fits when doing so. Biden by contrast, would likely just throw a fit himself.

>>You've been watching too many Ben Shapiro videos if you genuinely think that just calling somebody names is "destroying" them in a debate.
Trump did a lot more than just call people names, in the run up to the 2016 election he got in front of GOP donors and upper echelons and told them that the Iraq War was a gigantic fucking mistake and basically said anyone who thought any different was a fucking moron.

>>If these are the coherent, sentence building abilities that Trump is going to bring to a debate then we're essentially signing up to watch two retards fight over an old can of beans.
Yeah dude, keep ignoring what he did to Hillary Clinton from debate two onward. That's definitely going to work, uh-huh, Biden will totally not get steamrollered himself, yep. You keep thinking that.

>>582222
>what Trump did to Shillary proves the first and the mere fact that Biden reacts to insults by threatening to beat someone up is proof that he doesn't actually know how to hit back
He hits back exactly the way Trump hits back, anon. I'm beyond perplexed how you've managed to convince yourself that this is somehow a negative trait for Biden but a positive one for Trump.

>Yeah right, you keep telling yourself that the only thing he can do is read off a string of paper when he effortlessly deals with gotcha questions from various reporters
He doesn't deal with gotcha questions at all. He ignores their questions and resorts to personal attacks against their credibility or careers. I literally watched a clip where a reporter confronted him with his own quote, he denied saying it despite it being on video, then insulted the reporter and told her she should be nicer. You are completely delusional, anon. None of what you're saying is even remotely based in reality.

>in the run up to the 2016 election he got in front of GOP donors and upper echelons and told them that the Iraq War was a gigantic fucking mistake and basically said anyone who thought any different was a fucking moron
Talking to donors isn't a debate. GOP donors were almost all opposed to a Trump presidency pretty much up until it became clear they had no choice. This is not withstanding the fact that Trump is a liar. In his book published in 2000 he definitively states that Iraq is a threat and that we should complete our assault to the fullest to neutralize them. He claims to have been against the war from the beginning but, again, thats a lie.

>Yeah dude, keep ignoring what he did to Hillary Clinton from debate two onward. That's definitely going to work, uh-huh, Biden will totally not get steamrollered himself, yep. You keep thinking that.
Now you're not even making any sense at all. You've just deteriorated into half-assed mockery. You alright?

>>582207
>The "alternatives" to Biden were never alternatives,
Well, I think Warren was an honest alternative. Not that I liked her either, but she's enough of a realist to be a serious contender within the party. Most of the rest of the folks were just firy dreamers there to galvanize the troops. (And, in the end, did more to rile up the opposition. Every debate was like a truck load of candy for the GOP.)

But Biden can't win against Trump. The Democrats are collectively luke warm on him, at best, while Trump's troops are more fired up than ever. Better choice than Warren, to be sure (American elections are largely about who you'd rather have a beer with), but in America, a traditionalist can never win against a maverick. Sanders was their only hope to win, being a maverick of the opposite variety, but of course, the two parties work for the same master of the economic bottom line, so he couldn't be allowed to run. (Especially with the Republican hold on the senate looking dicey.)

>>582207
>This is just their latest scam. Of course, they can't rig the votes outright so they have to instead pull the mental puppet strings to ensure that you leftist monkeys think what the elite want you to think like the good little hypnotized cuck-puppets you are. So what do they do? Plan to initially give the illusion of choice, have them ALL drop out while leaving Warren in the race so that way Biden gets all their votes while Sanders gets split by Warren.

That doesn't make any sense. Bloomberg was still running then too, and he did better than Warren, and was exclusively taking votes from Biden (unlike Warren, where about half of her supports had Biden as their second choice).

If they wanted to fuck over Bernie, they would've told Bloomberg to drop out too, or even both of them. The only way Bernie would win Super Tuesday is if Warren had dropped but Bloomberg stayed.

>>581919
Fuckit. Just vote Libertarian. Worst case scenario we get the fucking Gold Standard back for 4 years of laughs, and we might just be able to hold it over the other two political parties that yes, it is possible to piss off the populace that much that you both fucking lose.

>>582207
>Of course, they can't rig the votes
Why not? Seems like it'd be pretty easy to rig the vote if you're in control of the government. Did you know that the exit polls in the Massachusetts Democratic primaries in 2016 & 2020 differed from the final vote tally by over 8% both times? in '16 the difference favored Hillary and this year it favored Biden. Draw your own conclusions about if the Democratic party can't rig election outcomes in the jurisdictions they dominate.

>>582224
Popular vote isn't hardly a factor in either party's nomination process, and they similarly don't have to deal with a hundred different voter monitoring organizations, largely associated with the opposing party, constantly checking them. Bernie was doomed to get the Ron Paul treatment, and only desperation drove them to let it go on as long as they did this time. (Not that there isn't a similar trend of presidential exit polls suddenly becoming increasingly unreliable, peeking in 2016.)

>breitbart
Into the trash it goes!

joo no u already dead n HELL wen u president
trump shows up in orange

>>581603
>don't invade the north
>fight a purely defensive war literally on the opposite end of the globe
>objective is to prop up a country with a military government that sometimes kills its leaders
Then you come off of this thinking Vietnam was lost because not enough gooks was killed, how fucking ignorant are you?

>>582095
Duty to their men and country remains much the same.

I'd love to be able to pull this thread from an alternate reality where Obama was in charge when this happened - and see all the posts saying the exact opposite of what they are saying here.

>>582105
But if Obama was in charge the response to this disaster would have been completely different (There would have BEEN a response before like a week ago for example)

>>582156
Maybe, maybe not. Presidents are rarely informed of the particulars of their naval operations - it's quite likely Trump didn't hear about this before it hit the news, and it was dealt with down the ladder - possibly by some old naval brass that was also active during the Obama administration.

>>579983
Biggs, I've worked with the damn Navy, and called out an Admiral when he was aiming his men at an impossible goal. Every CO is still a human at the end of the day, and all the hierarchy is there for is to fucking channel information to get it reacted to. The problem with the Chain of Command is that when you have a fucking obstructive link, you *have* to go around it. Sometimes, a group of Chiefs are the heroes, sometimes it's a clever bunch of enlisted, sometimes it's a Captain sacrificing himself on the altar of the Powers-That-Be, but at the end of the day, they're looking after the fucking Mission; the goddamn thing we sent them over there for. Not to fucking keel over and die sparing fucking SecNav from having to make the CinC look like an idiot sticking his fingers in his ears.

A nuclear carrier ain't worth shit if the entire crew is laid out trying to keep a highly contagious disease in check.

Idk what the symptoms r dikhead I dnt liv undr a cellpole like u.

>>582094
Given you have internet, I doubt that.

>>582094
Many of the new 5G frequencies are the same ones that were in use for years as UHF TV channels. Nobody got sick who lived next to TV towers.

>>581710
It's a battle over Chinese or American 5G monopoly. Everybody knows both are spying pieces of shit so it really comes down to prices.

>>581699
>Blimey mate, 'least I don't get shot while dewin maffs in skewel, plus you Americans don't even got free 'elfcare... quite sad innit

>>581820
Forgive him for thinking Americans are retarded. I was pointed at and given smirks because I wore a mask to a grocery store when this first started in NY

https://apnews.com/a464316e25560d393bd07a021b7e81ba
Due to Trump's terrible mismanagement the Federal emergency stockpile is almost gone, meaning you better be prepared to watch those infection and death rates go up again.

>>582176
They're trying to spin it to make it look like Fauci is incompetent and wrong when in reality the numbers are trending lower due to the social distancing guidelines championed by Fauci.

>>582182
Meanwhile if the death count spikes, it'll be the fault of not only Trump, but states controlled by Republicans.
https://americanindependent.com/gop-governors-coronavirus-disaster-relief-stay-at-home-orders-covid-19/

If you believe in a deep state: you are an actual, real-life retard.

The case against him is absolutely ridiculous.

>This [alleged assault] he accomplished immediately after Mass, with the sacristy door open, despite having all his vestments on and with the reasonable expectation that the sacristan, the master of ceremonies, the servers or concelebrants might come in and out or even pass by the open door, as would be customary after Mass. Meanwhile, there were dozens and dozens of people in the cathedral, praying or milling about. The whole affair took place within six minutes, after which the boys went off to choir practice and never spoke about it to anyone for 20 years, not even to each other. Indeed, one of the boys, who died of a heroin overdose in 2014, explicitly told his mother before he died that he had never been sexually abused.

>>581281
That case has been dismissed. Unanimous judgement by the highest court in Australia.

However one person has pointed out to me that this is but the beginning. Pell could soon be facing civil cases which have a lower standard of proof- on the balance of probability.

This means- more likely than not that it happened rather than- you have to be 100% certain this happened.

>>581684
Civil cases don't go in front of a jury though do they? It's going to be very tough to find a judge that would rule in you favour after the high court threw this out I think.

>>581281
Does the church pay you for spamming this debunked talking point, you pedophile?

>>577775
Ugh!
Pederasts are super gross. Pedos are gross.
Little kids are dirty. Boys and girls.
They literally only wash their hands and shit if you make them.
Why would one want to suck on filthy little boy parts
Just disgusting even without the seeing little kids as sexual part
Ugh.

>>581636
communism doesn't pop up on it's own, people don't go genociding farmers while having fancy military grade cell phone blockers without support, compensation, and reassurances of a media blackout on the topic...

>>581262
And what were the H1N1 numbers when we didn't destroy the world economy?

>>582115
Do you mean the 2005-2012 when the US had all of 12 cases? Or the 1918 epidemic, that infected a third of the planet, killed 3% of the world's population, during which time global productivity dropped between 40% and 70%, despite most of the major powers being on footing for a world war?

There is a point where, as Trump says, the cure becomes worse than the disease - but we aren't anywhere near that yet. Granted, if folks don't start taking into account that more than half the American population lives month to month and can't afford more than a $400 expense, and act accordingly, we could be there in a few months. If we lose our reserve status as a result, then yes, the economic related deaths are going to far outweigh those from the virus. Doing nothing, however, pretty much guarantees the same outcome, so as with all things, balance.

>>582145
>If [the U.S. loses] reserve status
I agree that would be catastrophic. For the U.S. and Europe. It would also ass-rape China, meaning most of Asia (esp. Japan & South Korea). Australia wouldn't be very well off. Russia would hurt, but they're already pretty far down the well so they'd hurt less going forward since they've already eaten a shitload of pain. Oil countries gonna be fucked; Big Petro cannot, almost by definition, become a reserve.

Curious, though, which country would step up and become the new reserve currency? No, it won't be China. And, that leaves the euro, which is very unlikely. Meaning, the U.S. dollar will remain by default (even if vastly weakened) when the entire globe is being raped economically.

Maybe if trump is re-elected, then the crash will be so hard & deep, the chaos so thorough, and the rest of the world will consider America so fucking retarded that there will be a new reserve established. In which case it would be the euro, but only with a Hell of a lot of work. And oceans of pain for everyone.

>>582187
>Curious, though, which country would step up and become the new reserve currency? No, it won't be China. And, that leaves the euro, which is very unlikely.
Germany and Russia have been looking into a financial alliance for just such a contingency (and by proxy, the EU), ever since US started antagonizing its allies and picking at NATO for shiggles.

A financial alliance alone isn't enough - you also need a military powerhouse - as you'd suddenly be dealing with a nation that has a military that costs more than six times most of the rest of the world's combined, and has it stationed all over the planet, suddenly unable to pay for said. They may disband, but just as likely, they may also adopt a "use it or lose it" philosophy. (Which has generally been the case when it comes to even the most minute threats to that status - although it's also kind of part of the obligation for having said.)

>>581809
i'm not familiar with whatever juvenile comic book or video game you're referencing, man-baby. please call your mother down from the kitchen and ask her how to explain what you're trying to say in adult language.

>>581871
I'll spell it out to you then. Rightists of every stripe regard their stripe as self-evidently superior in every way to all other stripes of rightists and anyone who isn't a rightist to the point that rightists consider anyone outside their strip to be an object. Due to this belief in their own greatness, rightists also believe that every success they have is proof of their superiority and every success that the objects have is proof that the objects cheat.

>>581887
>blog salad about right wing faggotry
bruh pls.

>>581887
>rightists of every stripe regard their stripe as self-evidently superior in every way to all other stripes of rightists
which is also true for people of literally any other ideology so what's your point

no group of people in history has killed more communists than other communists

>>582133
>which is also true for people of literally any other ideology so what's your point
You being foul doesn't mean that everyone else is foul.
>no group of people in history has killed more communists than other communists
And no group in history has killed more rightists than other rightists.

if you sort by total cases/population and you skip the tiny population ones it seems like Spain, Switzerland, and Italy are the countries where it's taking off the fastest, for the us it would be New York, New Jersey, and Louisiana
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news

>>581801
we won't know until we test the antibodies, but my money is on the virus being here since December
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/26/coronavirus-fact-check-could-your-december-cough-have-been-covid-19/2899027001/?fbclid=IwAR1t6e2uLI-V1nPmScZtPH2GqwQ15nU1muv__9dfBeaph7ljP7LOLxJVMf0

i know a lot of you don't like dealing with the heavy shilling /pol/ gets hit with but here's a gem you might want to look into and independently verify
tldr person argues that damage is done to the blood by the virus and that antioxidants, anti-virals, and whole blood transfusions may significantly help cases
>>>/pol/252583173
post 252610056

>>581045
>Would a decree from on high been faster?
Yes by ordering states to have an adequate stock pile for epidemic situations.

>>582060
This is a highly infectious disease; If it had been here that long without any containment measures it would have been exploding.

The exponential growth of this thing means that it will basically triple everyweek there are no containment measures in place. Unless asymptomatic carriers are DRASTICALLY less contagious than others (which all the information does not point to being true), we'd have had new york virtually everywhere by now if it had arrived unnoticed in dec or earlier.