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We encourage you to have a look around the catalog first to see what we’re all about before posting your first thread. Topics typically posted here include:
>Outdoor recreational activities (Hiking, trail running, bushwhacking, camping, spelunking, geocaching, orienteering, expeditions, urban exploration, backpacking, etc.)
>Gardening, farming and related activities
>Hunting and fishing, and other activities involving the stalking or taking of game (including bird-watching)
>Outdoor survival, bushcraft, foraging, self-sustenance in nature, train-hopping, hoboism, etc.
>Outdoor destinations and exploration (specific trails, parks, regions, etc.)
>Water-related activities (boats, diving, etc.)
>Outdoor philosophy (conservation, Leave No Trace, protectionism, etc.)
>Outdoor building and living (cabins, huts, treehouses, etc.)
>Outdoor social activities and organizations (meet-ups, Scouts, NOLS, etc.)
>Gear related to any of the above topics

Most topics related to the outdoors are fine. Write properly, behave politely, encourage a respectful community, and most importantly, GO OUTSIDE!!
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Just a friendly reminder that threads about weapons which do not pertain to their use in outdoor activities should be posted on /k/ instead. Thanks.

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Looking to get a nice wool long sleeve and pants for the winter since I have basically no winter clothes, can anyone recommend a good brand that isn't super expensive. Or if it is pricey is actually worth it
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>>2254950
how quality is the 100% merino from dale of norway? i'm assuming it's all LEGIT because of the price, but i'm just curious
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>>2257965
but anon, now in black!
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>>2258752
I like them I sleep in them but also wear them under my clothes when it's cold.
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>>2256894
Mons Royal has some good stuff too.
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Varusteleka makes a lot of wool stuff, their button ups are pretty good.

Winter Gear thread. Anons who live where it goes below zero, what jackets and boots do you wear? I have some goretex Salomon boots that have worn out and I want to know what you guys use, need quality that is going to last many years.
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>>2262222
fucked up, meant this
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>>2262224
The stuff I'm looking at feels like they're skimping on the insulation or just made not to last (velcro instead of snaps). You guys know of any off-brand sources for good dead duck jackets?
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>>2262218
You could also do push ups and work on breathing techniques at an outdoor range...absolutely no reason other than you're lazy to not do exercises to stay warm. If you are just target shooting outside and not moving, just go to an indoor range.
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>>2259164
nigger
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>>2262243
>Here let me just lie down on the floor in the walkway between lanes and just do pushups at a time when I want my hands to be as steady as possible, that's not weird at all

>just go to an indoor range and start shooting rifles at 50 yards

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There is a small game thread up but this one is for feathers rather than fur. How's your season going so far? Any rare species?
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>>2260741
Rough stuff man. I always have more luck on the edges of fields rather than in the middle. It was a nice change of pace doing upland today. Slept in and didn't have to wear waders. Looks like buck is settling in nicely.
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What guns do you guys use? I'm in the market for one, my pardner pump isn't reliable enough for follow up shots. I'd prefer a wood stock myself but I'm mostly curious about what you all use.
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>>2260771
Horses for courses Anon. Personally I’m partial towards classic Remingtons and newer Brownings. I won’t take another expensive gun on the water ever again. Lost an A5 Wickedwing in a reservoir a few years ago in an unironic boating accident. That said retro Remington 1100s, A5s, and break opens like Parker’s, Fox Sterlingworth, and Lefever are peak aesthetic for upland hunting. I have an 1100 myself for upland and field hunting geese. I have an 870 for the marshes. Frankly for the price of an old double gun like that you can get a brand new Citori or a Benelli SA. All that said my “loaner” Charles Daly Walmart special has killed as many birds in the last 20 years as any of my other guns without issue.
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>>2260771
I got a franchi I-12. Been pretty solid. Also have a Winchester model 12 that was my go to for years.
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Got out this morning for a bit. Thank goodness for widgeon. Lots of geese flying high. Had one chance to sky bust on em but i thought they might circle back. They didn't...

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I've successfully staved off shitting outside so far.
But I do worry ever more often about it having to happen.
What are some top tips for preparing ones body so that movements don't happen for a couple of days?
I usually just go right before and eat minimal food leading up to and during trips.

Picunrel, random shallow cave
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>>2260275
Something about a pot and a kettle and crime statistics?
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>>2259721
>your wipe will still be there 500 years from no
nigger my plastic lawn furniture doesn't even last 3 years before converting itself to dust from the UV
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>>2259721
>some animal comes across your shithole smells shit and digs it up looking for food, eats the plastic wipe and dies of intestinal obstruction.
fuck that shit eating faggot animal then lol. can you imagine? i hope it explodes
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>>2251462
eat less, move more and you won't shit, simple as.
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>>2251503
>this. I use wet wipes along with tp at home. There is no turning back once you tried it

#414-“Cyber Week!” Edition

Previous Thread:
>>2248877

Old thread is bumped off Page 1, janny pls.

Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!
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https://imgur.com/a/1Xw3N

New Bong Fishin Guide
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First for best telescopic rod is the one you exchanged for a 3pc.

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>>2261955
There a lot of differences, baitcasters are very handy but generally much more for specific scenarios(baits), while spinning is better general-purpose.
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>>2262073
>not fishing tactically

You're embarrassing yourself Jeeves.
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>>2262073
Trigger goes between pinky and ring finger so you can palm the reel and not have it move around.
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>>2262013
No Spincast? Zebco Masterace checking in
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>>2262246
casting rod, brainiac

/ultralight/ general, reson

After years of caring a heavy pack while enlisted, I've been trying to make an effort to carry as little weight as possible while still remaining comfortable. I greatly enjoy cowboy camping and gladly camp in the rain. Anyone else?

>Gramfags and richfags post with caution

Pic related but not mine
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>>2261429
This post is really gay
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>>2261421
I'd wait and see if that new Superstrand synthetic insulation is all it's hyped up to be. It's supposed to be equivalent to 800FP down.
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>>2251835
>be me
>walk by UL fag at campsite
>drop trousers around my ankles
>bend over in front of UL fag setup
>unleash a almighty gust of wind expelled from my anus
>watch UL fags gear burn as it flys away in to the sun
>literally lmao'ing @ UL fag for paying more for less
>fuck UL fags dog then do a 360 and walk away
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>>2261536
I'm not an UL, that was a pretty gay and dumb post you did, wasn't even funny.
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Which will last longer … a tent made of silnylon or dyneema?

I need something to last at least 3 years with minor repairs.

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Unlike most countries you need a 4x4 to access the best of Australia. We're too desolate, the whether changes too quickly and the land is too inhospitable for long term hiking. You can drive for 10 hours on 4x4 only tracks and never come across a town or person. Hiking in the summer without remaining near water is a death sentence 98% of the country isn't accessible by foot without very careful planning. If you're up north and the wet season hits you're in trouble. Some people have learned to do it, highly experienced bush men but even the aboriginals have lost this ability.

Right now I'm camped out at an alpine hut. Today I was meant to descend down the billy goat bluff track which at its toughest drops 1200m elevation in 7000m. The whether changed and the rain has been pouring down, even with my aggressive tires dropped to 25 psi I'm not willing to make the descent in the wet. It's a narrow path with sheer cliffs on each side and if I hit clay I will lose traction I will slip off the track and die.
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A friend who I met up with a couple days ago. They're completely nuts to take those horse trailers down that track.
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The ferny looking things all over the bottom left are called 'lomandra longifolia' part of the leaves are edible and I was eating a fair few of them. I chopped them and mixed them with my scrambled eggs.

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what are the best /out/ books, and quotes if you like. heck, even post /out/ poetry here if you want.
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>>2262255
https://www.amazon.com/John-Muir-Eight-Wilderness-Discovery/dp/089886335X
This lives on my (tiny) bookshelf
>still haven't read it yet
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>>2262140
I'd rather use a larger container and not have to worry about up-potting ever. 4 inches gives you more time if the weather doesn't keep with the calendar. Also helps that I already have 40+ of them, so kind of bias in that regard alone.
I don't have any experience with a soil blocker, but it looks like it would result in a crumbly mess after a few weeks.
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>>2262153
When you take a plant out of a pot, the entire mass of potting mix comes with it, and holds it shape. The same is true without the pot.
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>>2262212
>The same is true without the pot.
well, the sides of the pot keep the soil from crumbling, with soil blockers what prevents the root mass from pushing apart the soil and eroding the block? I don't quite understand how this works and I'd personally rather not risk time and resources on it, but to each their own.
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>>2262217
You'd think that would be the case, but the roots actually end up being the structure that holds the block together. If your seed mix retains its shape well and you're careful while watering, you'll still have pretty little blocks by the time you transplant. That said, even if they crumble a bit, the seedling roots end up making a ball thats just as good in the end. It just looks more like a blob than a block.
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>>2262217
>well, the sides of the pot keep the soil from crumbling
And then you take it out of the pot, and it still doesn't crumble. Like I said.
>with soil blockers what prevents the root mass from pushing apart the soil and eroding the block
Roots do not do that. Roots hold it together.
>I'd personally rather not risk time and resources on it
What a bizarre idea. You think the industry has been using them for decades even though they don't work? Wouldn't someone have noticed them not working at some point?

Your feet will hurt less if you wear shoes.
>I have never worn shoes, or seen anyone wear shoes, so I assume your feet would fall off if you did.
No, they just stop jagged rocks from cutting up the bottom of your feet. You can see videos of people wearing shoes and youtube and their feet don't fall off.
>I'd personally rather not risk time and resources on it

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Hey /out/, I feel like greentexting you my history with this board as a thank you to all you kind and helpful anons. Feel free to comment on it or narrate your own introduction to the outdoors.

>Be me, 2017
>Small friend group, 20kg overweight, way too many videogames, virgin.
>After lurking chan for a while discover /out/
>Always liked the mountains, didn't know anyone to teach me/bring me hiking.
>Show interest in a post, but hesitating.
>"Grab a snack, a water bottle and walk until is half full, then turn around and come back"
>Gather the balls to actually do it and go solo.
>Do it, chill the entire time, feel free as fuck.
>Get into it, even bring a friend camping and other friends hiking.
>In the span of 5 years got into hiking, camping, swimming, rock climbing and now, alpinism.
>Got fit, met a lot of interesting people who share my interests. Even fucked thanks to it.
>All thanks to /out/ and that kind anon
>Aswell as all the other posters that cheered me up whenever a I posted a picture here and there, or when I bought my first backpack.

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>>2262197
Thanks anon, I really am.
>>2262201
Thanks anon, I thank my fat older me to move It's greasy hands away from the porn boards that one time.
>>2262203
About 1900, It's in spain and you are actually right. The last 400 metres didn't have any trees so checks out.
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>>2262192
solo hiking is one of the best things you can do in life
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>>2262192
Absolutely based anon. I'm currently on a similar journey though far behind you.
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>>2262208
Hell yeah, great pic. Feels great to loose the fear of heights.
>>2262213
Godspeed to you friend, feel free to ask any questions.
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>>2262219
it was a great year

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What's it like living in the rural Pacific northwest? I have some /pol/ related reasons why id like to move here but the other 90% are /out/ reasons. Looking for forest, mountains, and snow as far away from civilization as possible without making life a major headache.

Any city/states to recommend? My first thought is west Montana but I don't know much about the area
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>>2259550
I feel this, but I need to buy land to have any sense of stability, and CA is overpopulated. I could get by if I chose to work for The Big Companies but I refuse to do so. The only option is to go somewhere that hasn't been defeated and help them bolster against the storm to come.

>>2255708
This also sounds like a lost cause. I'm sorry anon, I'm sure it used to be beautiful.

>>2255712
>buy land and build a house out in the woods (lane county)
This has always seemed like the right route to me. Hold the land and don't let it be split or go to developers that will put large apartment complexes everywhere, bringing in more people that will vote to built out the cities even more, and round-and-round it goes.
Lane seemed great to me because it has great /out/ opportunities but there is urbanization at a reasonable distance. I can't see why any city should be larger than Eugene/Springfield, and I feel like there's still a chance to join the fight there before things slip further out of control.
I'm sure I won't be wanted, but that's the price of admission. Hate to admit I'm a "Californian", and it kills me to watch my home state be slowly eaten away each year, but I don't see a way to help it given how established the cancer already is.
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God these sorts of threads put a stronger sense of doom into me than anything else I can imagine. I am a native Midwesterner who has been visiting/recreating/short term living anywhere in the northern half of the country between the Rockies and the Pacific, and almost every post here confirms the impression of endless sprawl.
I would love to actually own a piece of land somewhere beautiful but it seems so fucking bleak.
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>>2262200
ahhh, land out here is actually pretty cheap. But god damn if you want to build anything on it. anti-development, militant greens have taken over county planning departments and banks refuse to loan money for bare land purchases

example: lane county OR; we purchased a 3.8 acre lot for just shy of 60k (it's next to our current house, so whatever, we bought it to prevent someone else down the line from getting approval to build) no real interest in developing it, just keeping it as a mini forest.

But that parcel of land:
We could not get a loan from any bank; so we had to take out a HELOC to raise the cash.
it's zoned f2 (impacted forest) so to even get a building permit there would be an additional permit (CUP - conditional use permit) that takes about 18 months to get through the county -- pre-covid, i'm sure it's longer now. once approved it's valid for 4 years, with an optional 2 year extension.
meanwhile building permits are valid for 2 years (off the top of my head, regardless -- they aren't valid for too long)
so if your plan is to buy some land and build your own house, you have to complete it within a year or two (i.e. get it up to code) and do it all out of pocket. Oh, and you can't live on the land without yet another permit while the house is being built.

>it's absolutely stacked to make development as difficult and expensive as possible.

Our land/house we bought a few years ago, thankfully it already had a CUP on it, so we were able to get right down to it; and get a construction loan for the land purchase and house. But with that, the bank's terms (and these are pretty standard FYI) were such that from the time the money was dispersed we had 1 year to complete the build and do aconversion to a conventional mortgage.
other lovely strings attached to the construction loan:

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>>2262210
2/2
tl;dr the threads that get constantly posted here about buying land and rolling up a trailer, or shed or whatever are 100% pure larp and these people have no idea what they're getting themselves into. Unless you are independently wealthy, you really do need to get incredibly lucky to build out in the woods/country.

If you're actually serious about doing this, start saving up money now. if you can buy the land out right without involving the bank you MIGHT be able to get away with an 'as built' structure on land, but more than likely they'll make you tear it down once discovered.

There aren't that many truly remote places left in the US, particularly with smaller lots, you'll almost always have some kind of nosy neighbor who will see what you're doing and dime on you.
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>>2248141
>pacific northwest
>montana
>california
wtf? both are dry and dusty. the pacific northwest is western washington, western bc and south east alaska

“Fuck it, I’m spending the winter in Florida” edition.

Feel free to post tobaccos (no weed allowed), pipes, collections, pics of favorite combos for going /out/, pics of what you're doing with your pipe and any questions you might have.

Want to get into smoking pipes without spending too much cash?
Get a Missouri Meerschaum Legend corncob pipe and a pouch of either Captain Black or Half and Half tobacco, available at most drugstores.
What you'll need: pipe, tobacco, lighter or matches, pipe cleaners, and either a regular old nail or a pipe tool (combination tamper, scoop, and small pick).
All of these together should run you less than $25.

Having trouble keeping your pipe lit? Fill it with less tobacco and smoke it slower than you think you need to, lightly tamping as needed when the smoke starts thinning out.
If you're still having trouble, try filling your pipe this way:
https://youtu.be/0XHYPso7TXs


Old thread >>2245815

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>>2262225
A cross between those and maybe a Kabuto. Or hitting up your tobacco shop for free long matches.
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>>2261917
i've never understood how it became a faux culture thing
groom yourself because it looks good
drink whiskey and/or because you enjoy it
smoke a pipe because you enjoy it
get nice clothes because they look good
work out because its good for you
urbanites ruin everything
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>>2262234
Cargo cultism and putting the cart before the horse. It happens after the collapse of culture or among the upward moving classes. And some are just spergs aping human behavior because they like it but are really intense and artificial about it.
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>>2262234
They're manly outdoorsmen returning to nature and do you even use beard oil bro?
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Bumpkins please, I am a social elite city dweller yet I lower myself to chat with you rural lowlifes because we have two things in common, we both enjoy smoking corn cob pipes and killing small animals, I suggest we keep this thread on that topic!

Is anyone interested in doing the Secret Santa this year? I haven't been on /out/ much the last couple years, so I don't know if the board culture has changed or not. I helped organize it in 2018 and 2019 and would be willing to help do it again. I'll reply with an infographic that shows how it works
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>>2261427
Bought you something, Anon. To whom it may concern, make sure other Anons can actually ship a present to you (pic related)
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>>2261549
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>>2256251
Wishing all you anons a Merry Christmas.
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>>2259964
How do you do a secret santa without getting doxxed? I dont even have amazon in my /cunt/ ...
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>>2262169
The Amazon wishlist feature will hide your full address. The Anons who buy for you will still be able to see your name (you can set this to be anonymous), and the city it's shipping to, but that's all. It's not 100% anonymous but it's better than most other options, and because it's a premade wishlist through Amazon, it stops Anons from sending boxes full of feces or whatever like what happens on other boards

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Climbing General #21

A place to talk about climbing in any aspect (trad, sport, bouldering, aid, alpine, etc).

Rock Climbing is a dangerous sport that can cause loss of life, limb, eyesight, or sanity.

Off-belay >>2219562

What's the tallest route that you've ever climbed, anon?
https://youtu.be/XdOzbM_7GMI
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>>2261921
kek the lungs aren't the issue, it's usually my forearms and tendons that start to give out about 3/4 of the way up the wall. I can run a few miles and do do cardio, I think I will diet down a bit for climbing.
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>>2262015
>usually my forearms and tendons that start to give out
Sounds like you are relying more on you hands than your feet, maybe work getting solid footholds so your arms can rest.
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>>2262030
also, are you scared on the wall? Some people stay way more tense than they need to be and you end up getting the shakes and exhausted from constant tension.
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>>2262015
Research ARC training if you want to improve your continuous endurance. Or just do traverses in your local bouldering gym.
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>>2262030
>>2262055
I probably am using my arms too much, as I just started 2 months ago. I will try to work on footwork and using my arms less, good advice.




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