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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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What will happen to me after I die?
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>>11393169
What anime are you in?
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You get eaten by maggots and cease to exist
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>>11393245
based KJV only chad
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>>11392976
Once your consciousness is recreated by a similar structure to your brain, your mind will think it just skipped the time inbetween.
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>>11392976
we don't know.

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First I must state that I am not a historian so much as I am an avid history lover and buff. Without further adoo, here is my list of ten greatest and most dicisive battles in history
1. Battle of Bulge
Hitlers hail Mary attack to stop the US and allies from crossing into Germany...crushed. this was the beginning of the end for the German army as the Russians began to close in and take Berlin
2. Battle of Gettysburg
This was when Lee was stopped from further destroying the Union strongholds in the north. Without it, Lee could have bring the Union to the negotiation table...then shag?
3. Battle of the Somme
The Stalingrad of WWI: when the German army lost all chance of capturing Paris and kicking France after the war
4. Battle of Sparta
The Persian army stopped at the gates from conquering and gaining land in Greece and taking Athens. The Athenians have the Spartans to thank for the continuation of their empire
5. Battle of the Midway
Kiddo Butai destroyed and with it, Japan's initiative in the Pacific crushed. From here the Japanese navy was on a retreat
6. Battle of Phillipine Sea
The final hail Mary of the Japanese stop stop the US navy from taking the Philippines and cutting supply lines
7. Battle of Yorktown
The end of the revolution and the beginning of the independent United States which has no doubt had a profound impact on history

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>>11393239
>Battle of Sparta

Did you mean the battle of Thermopylae? This was a catastrophe framed as some heroic last stand. The Persians busted through after a week and sacked Athens twice in a year. The Persians left an occupation force which was defeated in the Battle of Plateau.

This is a ridiculous list of battles it's basically all the ones you would learn if you go through the American education system or watch American tv.
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>>11393239
I really hope this is a shitpost, but I suspect you're just a boomer who watched too many History Channel documentaries on WW2/
>1. Battle of Bulge
Yeah no, at most a German victory means that the Soviets occupy all of Germany.
>4. Battle of Sparta (Thermopylae)
Not at all decisive, although it was still important. Salamis would be a better pull from that war.
>6. Battle of Philippine Sea
The war was already lost, same as with the Battle of the Bulge, Japan had already lost the war it was just a question of how long it would take.
The rest are good, but you leave out everything between 480 bc and 1066, and then everything from 1066 to 1781.
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always some retards who fall for this bait
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>>11393327
It's not bait I'm serious. I don't see what the issue is with my post. Fuck you libshit
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1. Constantinople 717-718
2. Yarmouk 636
3. Leipzig 1813
4. Moscow 1941-1942
5. Verdun 1916
6. Valmy 1792
7. Gaugamela 331 BC
8. Vienna 1683
9. Zama 202 BC
10. Manzikert 1071

Important battles are those which changed the course of human history in macrohistorical terms. Battles of the American war of independence or the American civil war shouldn't even be mentioned. Just like battles in Chinese civil wars, no matter how bloody.

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The Tang dynasty invaded the Tocharians which were a bunch of Caucasian people in China
>lost the war
>400k massacred
>cities never recovered
Is there any evidence or anecdotes as to what happened in this huge war?
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>>11392761
Basically this is the history of what happened to the Tocharians and Sakas.
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>>11392769
Uyghur history.
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>>11390977
China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.

Wrong. The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048

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>>11392839
Mass genocide of R1a men and rape of R1a women by Han in China.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10105977#p10106085

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10086459#p10087791

The Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia and Central Asia (including Shiwei who were ancestors of Mongols) centuries before the Mongol empire existed and raped all the Mongol women.

https://archived.moe/his/thread/9085500#p9086505


Han Chinese rape of nomads in Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire.



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>>11392839
>>11392841
Holy fuck he really came

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Why was Joseph Smith killed by an angry mob?
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>>11393325
Moral relativism? My statement of morality on this matter is not dogmatic, there is no religious basis for saying that a 14 year old cannot marry a 37 year old. Most of the Bible contradicts that if it were the case. It would be immoral inasmuch as, due to modern culture, it would be psychologically abusive to the 14 year old.
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>>11393364
Okay so do you think the psychology of children has changed since the 1860s? I what Joseph Smith did not psychologically abusive?
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>>11393375
14 year olds are not children for one. In the 19th century women did mostly the same thing from their maturity to death. They did not have many options, not incredibly educated, and were raised simply to marry. That's the harsh reality of it. Women today have options, different societal expectations, and generally have a better opportunities for intellectual and social development. To deprive a 14 year old of those experiences and opportunities in today's society would be immoral.

What Joseph did was not abusive, no. Considering that he had little effect on her life other than in the eternal span of things (being assassinated around about a year later). As a matter of fact she went on to become quite a prolific writer and defender of polygamy, no outward signs of abuse there.
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>>11393416
Okay so you are back to defending pedophilia again? And you say, rightly so, that one of the reasons pedophilia is evil is because of the damage it does to a person. But then go on to claim that if a person is a victim of a pedophile but doesn't show any obvious damage its fine. I'm sorry I don't think I can keep up with this partially applied morality. You know it seems an awful lot like you are trying to ignore your own morality to try and defend a person who you assume is divine.
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>>11393444
>But then go on to claim that if a person is a victim of a pedophile but doesn't show any obvious damage its fine
When did I say that? It was a side note that Helen Mar Kimball went on to live a normal life. My point was that at that time, women mostly confined to being caretakers from birth to death, there is no harm in marrying young.

Did any other nation die as pathetically as the Ottoman Empire did?
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>>11392524
Why exactly the byzantine empire?
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>>11392545
>withstood overwhelming odds for quite some time
lol
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>>11392537
Not per se. It was imperial though
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>>11392475
Eh the Galiopolli Campaign and the Great Counter Attack were some great last hurrah fights. Hardly pathetic when the people still exist and have some power.

Now the Qing though, those were the most pathetic final years of any empire and Manchu people are gone.
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>>11393366
>the people still exist
The people today are Turks. Those were Ottomans and they viewed Turkic peoples as subhumans. They even used "Turk" as a racial slur.

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Humans evolved from monkeys because...BECAUSE THEY JUST DID OKAY??!!
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>>11391557
The monkey where we come from is no longer here.
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>>11393087
When peer reviewed studies are the biggest enemy the religiotards you know something is up with their belief
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>>11388888
quints of truth.
/thread
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>>11391557
man didn't evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestry way way way far back.
Imagine that there was one family of monkeys, half the group split off and walked over a large mountain pass, eventually there was no monkeys left to remember the other group, after tens of thousands of years the one group that crossed the mountain was so different, that they didn't look attractive enough to mate with the original group.
after hundreds of thousands of years, the genealogical differences were so large, that reproduction was impossible.
speciation has been documented in reality, see Ligers, polar-grizzly hybrids. ocelot-cat hybrids. and your fat pig mother.
read a fucking book
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>>11392411
>you're not really an atheist
your anger at the faithful doesn't make you believe in god, it just makes you quick to anger.
>>11393008
trees don't fucking "scatter throughout the earth" are you on drugs right now?
>>11393087
then you've basically lost all of the modern world. nobody takes the circular reasoning, and literary teachings of Christianity, Islam, or Judaism seriously as way to discover how the universe and it's inhabitance function.
If I were to seriously argue with you and waste my time I know that ultimately your position will boil down to having faith.
And I reject faith as idiocy, as by definition it is an unsubstantiated belief in the supernatural.
without any evidence, you have no reason to believe the things you do, and if you are too lazy to apply reasonable skepticism to your own unsubstantiated beliefs, you are not worth my time talking too.

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strange old clothing thread
>bear hunting suit
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>>11390596
A well-fitted suit and pants can be perfectly comfortable. It used to be if you wanted your clothes adjusted, you just asked your wife or mother to fix them, or hired a seamstress/tailor. Nowadays nobody can be asked to bother fitting their clothes, so everyone wears elastic crap that only highlights your worst features.
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>>11390633
People weren't as fat. So they sweated less overall.

and
Suit material was of a higher quality, and people knew which type of suit to wear depending on the weather.
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>>11390525
1500s beekeepers
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>>11392701
silent hill vibes

Why does /his/ hate this place?
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>>11393342
> producing nothing in the end.
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>>11392870
It's not the place.
It's its goverment that I hate.
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>>11392870
It is the manchu tradition to assrape the chinese
and it is the chinese tradition to seethe at everyone while living in anglo countries
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>>11393447
>it is the chinese tradition to seethe at everyone while living in anglo countries
True as fuck. No-one seethes more than a Chinese incel living in an anglo country.
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>>11393317
>I-its just the Americans who hate us. I swear.
Sit down Zhang. Literally everyone hates your shithole country.

What other person in history has been as maliciously lied about, attacked, maligned, and wrongly villainized as Saint Tsar Nicholas II of Russia?
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>>11392789
You know nothing at all.
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>>11389548
Spineless imbecile
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Imagine how retarded ruler has to be to lose his country to some shitty commie peasant scum.
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>>11390929
>lol, this world is a sim where every plot of land sold to every peasant was equal in cclimate, fertility, access to building materials, transportation, etc.
they changed the plots every few years (which turned to be bad idea like all ideas that don't respect private property)
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>>11392767
>waa, true religion didn't appear in my town and wasn't handed to me on a silver platter

Have the leaders of other nations ever acted like this?
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>>11383766
Not being an idiot is realizing, that dropping the bombs didn't just save American lives but Korean, Chinese Malaysian and others. And that the fire bombing killed more civilians. We had the moral requirement to attempt to end the war as fast as possible a titanic amount of live saving resources were spent on then it would have been a crime against the American people whose children were dying not to use them.
Fucking small picture idiot.
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>>11390897
Maybe in hindsight. But Japan had never offered surrender. Our terms had been established years ago. And every do the war went on thousands of Chinese and Korean civilians died under Japan occupation.
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>>11387101
heehee
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>>11383881
Should’ve hanged them all after it was over and said they died of radiation or something. Then replaced all the Scientists with Paperclip Germans creating an entire multigenerational clan of Scientists separate from the rest of.... wait. Where did all the Paperclip Germans go ? They had kids right ? Who did they marry ? Do they live in Area 51 ? Is this the most successful Trojan Horse in History ? Is this why Area 51 was deemed a threat post WW2 ?
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>>11383766
Your right we should’ve invaded and sent the Japs to Korea. Japan would’ve been Ethnically American. At least Hokkaido. Would’ve been a perfect post for 5 Million Americans to fend off Soviets.

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Even if God is real, why should I bother to worship him?

Why are modern day “historians” trying to retcon the Sacred Band of Thebes?
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>>11393413
Sorry I thought we were posting made up bullshit in this thread. Nice try sweaty
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>>11393415
>it was so hot outside everybody got the flu and started buttfucking each other
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>>11393429
Plausible
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>>11393423
Oh yeah I thought we were trying to prove things were made up. But I get it now, thanks sweetie.
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>>11393415
What does this mean for a world of increasing average temperatures?

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>Between 1943 and 1945 he was moved between eight different camps across Germany and Poland, enduring terrible conditions, in which many died.

>He remembers the infamous shower rooms, and the prisoners who were sent there.

>They put us into a block. All of us, one particular large block. Then the following morning, a selection of that block went into the shower room," he said.

>We went to the shower room. It's the same shower room that other people went in and the gas came in. But we got the water that came down and we washed ourselves."

>But in the spring of that year, with Germany losing the war, the Nazis accelerated the programme to liquidate Jewish prisoners.

>As a result, Mr Ferster was among a group of prisoners who were marched across Germany to another notorious death camp - Buchenwald.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-34405565
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>>11393376
Fake and gay
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>>11393388
How DARE you!
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Explain this
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It seems like "showers" are just a myth spread among Jews who were scared. When they were selected to go to showers, they were selected to actually wash up.

It's insane how Germans are being blamed for showering their prisoners. Or how when they move their prisoners through 8 camps instead of shooting them they still end up being the bad guys who did it to "speed up" their deaths.
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>>11393376
That guy was DAMN lucky he wasn't masturbated to death.

Prussia was the best country in the history of mankind




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