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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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I think the holocaust did happen, but its scale was vastly exaggerated by yellow journalism and the Nuremberg trials.
What do you think, Anons?
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>>7684628
its illegal to claim its exaggerated even slighlty

not to mention off topic "collective jewish power over media, academia, and finance" thats also illegal to criticize.

You cant nothingburger your way out of this jude shit. It happened, acknowledge it you twerp.
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>>7684147
I'm curious as to why you think the methodology of the Anglo-American committee of inquiry is flawed. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angap03.asp
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>>7684147
SHUT THE FUCK UP
I DON'T FUCKING CARE NIGGER
IT'S BEEN 70 YEARS, THE NUMBER IS DEFINED, ONE OF THE MOST WELL DOCUMENTED MASS KILLINGS IN HISTORY
I DO NOT FUCKING CARE WHAT YOU THINK, STOP SHITTING UP THE BOARD WITH YOUR WORTHLESS THOUGHTS YOU STUPID SHIT EATING NIGGER LOVING ASS SNIFFING CRIPPLED ASSHOLE
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>>7684665
reeeeeeeeeeeee

take ur meds rabbi
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>>7684583
>The fact that its signed into law makes it a literalburger
>Literally says this law can't violate the First Amendment
> its literally and unironically illegal to say what you are saying there.
Sorry, goy, but you played yourself.

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Are Marxists right to claim their socialism is the only real socialism?
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>>7684604
Jewishness is racial, not religious though.
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>>7684565
>>7684444
Cope
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>>7684662
>Cope
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>>7684658
He's talking about Jewishness and not some other cultural or personal category.

That is a critical point. So let's put a modern historian on the spot. If you're an atheist you know exactly what the issue is. It is not about religious beliefs, race or cultures. But only because some parts of America do give credence to racist stereotypes about minorities.

This kind of blind, eternalist logic is deeply entrenched in our culture. And Jews have been uniquely burdened by it.
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>>7684667
Dilate

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>Hitler loses WW2
>Europeans go extinct within 2 centuries
Wait... So he was right?
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>>7684617
WASPs opposed letting Catholic white people in.
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>>7684558
Polygamy means rapid reproduction for muslims combined with aa nonstop influx of arabs frmo the middle east equals whitey as a minority in under a century. We americans have the overall largest number of whites in a single country and even now we are on the verge of being outnumbered by mexicans who reproduce much faster than us.
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>>7684624
I'm not abstaining from sex voluntarily.
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>>7684638
Nope. Notice how egalitarianism follows Anglo power structures not Jewish ones. The Jews had just as much political and social pull in the eastern block but no one gave a shit about making sure an African was fucking your wife. Egalitarianism is an Anglo fetish
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>>7684249
>Hitler starts a war that devastates Europe and paves the way for Clapistan to become the most dominant power in the world, while giving half of Europe to communists.
>Ugh, if only Hitler won, I wouldn't have to look at ugly brown people

Maybe Shitler shouldn't have made nationalism so taboo for Euros while annihilating the continent's demographics, the governments of the 30's would have never been so tolerant with the immigration policies of today.

Also you don't know shit about how population growth works.

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If the Yamnaya were all dark featured, why did they have a word for Blonde?
https://youtu.be/C4JPMYHTZis?t=512

I'm not disputing that they were all or at least predominantly dark featured btw, even Rowsell has said in other videos that they were and the genetic evidence doesn't lie, but does this mean they had experience with native Europeans or were in contact (perhaps raiding for many centuries) for a while before the actual invasion of the continent that actually led to the big genetic replacement we see took place around the late neolithic?
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>>7684300
You know the Finno-Ugrics like Mordovians that served as primary stock for assimilation into the Russian ethnicity do not have high N1c anyway.
Most of Russian N1c does however come from Balts who did indeed not resist. I suppose that may be due to some innate element of the Baltic nature.
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>>7682403
Even by these genetic tests one Yamnaya from Caucasus RK1003 has Blonde hair, even though I believe these genetic tests don't show any shit as they have discovered over 100 more genes related to light hair, currently they had ~20-30, yet the hair color is decided by lower amount on this tests, somewhere 4. Yet I can't be sure that these are not just completely random loci because the only way to prove that would be to show that a gene really does influence phenotype, in where they have two identical individuals where one has one loci and another one has another.
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>>7684338
>Most of Russian N1c does however come from Balts who did indeed not resist. I suppose that may be due to some innate element of the Baltic nature.
Well I guess it is just that Balts are a very small population, who have just got BTFO-d by numbers since the history I know. Besides I am not sure, well the Ugric ancestry got into Baltics by Iron Age and Pskov Russians, as far as I know are Balts. Otherwise Baltic and Slavic populations probably mixed during Iron Age, and for most of the part to me it seems like Russians are Slavs with Baltic admixture.
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>>7682403
Predominantly only, I have seen some phenotype runs that give some individuals lighter probabilities.
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>>7682686
STJ has argued that haplogroups are not very important perhaps in the light of some of his viewers taking them too seriously.

How many of the 3 billion together Christian's and Muslims are actually religious? How many actually follow their Holy book and rules? Feels lile there are so many religious people saying they're re religious but then go take cocaine or have sex before marriage etc.
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>>7684479
Religion ain't what it used to be. The average Muslim is probably a much strong practitioner of his religious dogma than the average Catholic or Protestant.
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Probably 100 million give or take. That's people who are either catholic or orthodox, regularly attend church/confession, and believe in the real presence
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>>7684479
Depends on the denomination.

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Have Conservatives always been pessimistic? I get the vibes that conservatives across the west are going full doomer.

I've recently been reading into contemporary conservatism, and three books in particular stand out to me, 'The Strange Death of Europe' by Douglas Murray, 'The Death of the West' by Pat Buchanan and 'America alone' by Mark Steyn stand out as DOOMER /lit/ in particular. Basically all three say the chances are slim of reversal, and Douglas Murray, in particular, thinks it's almost inevitable that liberalism will crack and decline in Europe (and perhaps across the west). Pat Buchanan straight up said it's all too late, Mark Steyn said in an interview that (Paraphrased as fuck) ' it won't be a total collapse, but there will be a great pruning, the question is how much will be pruned.'

I don't think that historically, conservatives have ever been as pessimistic as they are currently are. Even during the height of Mccarthyism during the cold war, there was wide Communist fear, but this never manifested as 'The Soviets are almost certainly destined to win and there's nothing we can do about it'. Edmund Burke wasn't all 'IT'S TOO LATE BRUH', so at some point something definitely changed.
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>>7669313
You can’t hold many of they views central to that sort of philosophy and not be disengaged with the zeitgeist of this age and pessimistic about the future. How could you be a white nationalist lite like Pat Buchanan and find any hope for the US?
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>>7682684
Yes
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>>7669328
I do. I genuinely care about my identity family and the people in my life. I have built up my persona ego and healthy relationships around these things. The idea that I shouldn’t give a shit is so nihilistic and self centered only a child or a megalomaniac would suggest it.
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>>7670908
I always find it odd when I encounter someone like you. Your ideas are predicated on the notion that everyone is interchangeable and replaceable. That continued new additions to the west will only serve to strengthen neo liberalism. Why? Why is this preferable?
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>>7684576
>Your ideas are predicated on the notion that everyone is interchangeable and replaceable
that's the usual lie they tell but in reality they just really despise Europeans and are happy to see them be oppressed and killed

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>just discovered that the bushido code is an orientalized version of the chivalry code made by some japanese nationalist in the 1800s

Why the media lied to me like that anons?
I don't know what's real anymore.
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>>7683090
Better a kike than a catholicuck, unironically.
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>>7683090
I'm Dutch, can confirm. Some of us send a payment request for a 50 cent cup of coffee
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>>7681185
It was those things, but it also existed during the Edo era. Now THAT was pure BS made up at the time to stop Samurai from raping and pillaging and to create and image for them to aspire to. If they actually were chivalrous and honourable, they wouldn't need a new pamphlet every week to tell them a new way to stop killing the peasents.
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>>7683090
>Dutch
Ocean jews
>Swiss
Mountain jews
>Venetians
Sea jews
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>>7681327
>Feudal Japan had an incredibly strict caste system
Retard

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Which party would you vote for in the 1930 elections in Germany and why?

For me, it's SPD
fuck extremist retards
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>>7684486
>>expelled anti-war members
Bad idea, still a legitimate act for a democratic party.
>>call on fascists to put down the revolt
Commies are particular to who's shooting them? If only SPD had known. (Also, the affair was before fascism was even a concept and the freikorps had so little political ideology they tolerated an SPD government no problem... some fascists)
>>get Rosa killed, even though she did literally nothing
Except call for, you know, ignoring the democratic process in favour of a violent communist grab for power. Should have thought about whether a people that didn't vote for her would just let that happen.
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>>7684311
>when SPD claims they are leftists but backstab the actual leftists
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>>7681845
>becoming the torch of liberty and equality between brethren and comrades the world so desperately needed
So basically still fighting a pointless war for a crazy tyrant but instead of Hitler they fight for Stalin ?
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>>7678036
>>7678024
>SPD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism

So basically, you are admitting that you were voting for the fascist party in Germany? Which every leftists would call you because their masters were distrubing the information from the higher ups of the USSR, the Comintern and the left wing of Germany that the SPD were fascist because they were actively targeting the communist the most.

There is no situation in the world where le radical centrists aren't the biggest fucking retards in the world. That is why I read stories were radical centrists get tortured after their ineffectual resistance to be the greatest thing in the world!
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>>7684486
>because the Kaiser and WWI are based, apparently
Yes the are
>Call on fascists to put donw the revolt
If you start a coup you don't get to be picky about who will be sent to smash your terrorist ass
Also Rosa literally started the revolt

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Why haven't the Italians been given their clay back?
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>>7684009
they cant even pronounce it, how is it italian?
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>>7684009
It doesn't make sense that a city so sunny and beautiful is called "dubrovnik" it sounds like slav commyhole or some place in siberia instead of Med
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>>7684009
I think you mean Slovenians. Fuck Italians and fuck Croats. Austrians are alright.
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>>7684009
Corisca, Istria, and Dalmatia belong to Italia.
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>>7684009
Dubrovnik was literally never Italian.

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Lincoln and Sherman for sure
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>>7684423
wow why are dixoids so fucking childish
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>>7684494
>>7684423
Away down South in the land of traitors,
Rattlesnakes and alligators,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.
Where cotton's king and men are chattels,
Union boys will win the battles,
Right away, come away, right away, come away.

CHORUS: Then we'll all go down to Dixie,
Away, away,
Each Dixie boy must understand
That he must mind his Uncle Sam,
Away, away,
And we'll all go down to Dixie.

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>>7684494
Dilate
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>>7684423
attila
gengis khan
alaric
praetorians
brutus
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>>7684423
Nobody, imagine an ETERNITY of burning and suffering. Wouldn't wish it on dirleganger himself.

Do you think it's still possible to make groundbreaking archaeological discoveries nowadays?
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>>7682574
Yeah, there is a lot that still isn't understood like from the upper paleolithic to the neolithic.
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>>7684351
Built by protojews who racemixed various populations to make a subservient goyim class to make the monuments.
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>>7684582
Semites hadn't left Africa when the site was built dumbass.
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>>7684597
Their paternal ancestors weren't Semites. The Semitic language was transferred maternally. Abraham comes from Ufra/Sanliurfa.
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>>7684641
What does Abraham have to do with anything? Even if you believe in his historicity, he's 8000 or more years AFTER the site was built, and he came from Ur in Mesopotamia, not Anatolia.

Like I said, the Semites hadn't even left Africa when Gobekli Tepe was constructed.

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Are there any particular reasons why we use BCE and CE? What exactly is the "common era?"
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>BCE Before Christian Era
>CE Christian Era
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>>7684471
I don’t care why its being used, it doesn’t make BC/AD any more accurate for its purpose.
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>>7684517
BCE/CE is literally the same date system, so it's not any more accurate for any particular purpose.
So unless BCE/CE is going to shift the days themselves to line January 1st up with Jesus's birth, then it's just bootyblasted academics mad about Christianity.
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>>7684540
This, while the year itself may not be accurate, the dating system is still at least based AROUND the date of His death, what separates the BCE/CE marks into a coherent split? "Absolutely nothing, it's still the same thing as BC/AD, but secular" is the answer.
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>>7684260
Ab Urbe Condita was primarily used by Renaissance classical larpers. Actual Romans usually just dated their years by consuls and later emperors.

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>1500
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>>7680236
>2027
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>1492
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>1911
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>>7680236

>1521
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>117 - 138 A.D.

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Where did Okinawans come from? What ethnicity are they originally?
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>>7683016
Stop putting your idea of beauty/attraction as a standard that everyone else follows.
There could have been many reasons for this outside of just preference.
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>>7681954
>no posts with source
They're quite close to Yamato Japanese, but with a higher Jomon admixture, with estimatives ranging from 30% to 50%. They were isolated from East Asian civilisation for a long time until coming into contact with China and Japan and copying their societies. Then some Chinese and Japanese migrated there. It's also likely SEAsians have a little genetic imprint there, because the Ryukyu Kingdom extensively traded in Siam, Malacca, Borneo and other Southeast Asian states (also due to their proximity to Taiwan)
https://academic.oup.com/biomedgerontology/article/69/12/1474/592652#57397626
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4696161/
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/31/11/2929/2925651
>>7682021
>Nivkh with no Jomon admixture
That's how I know this model is wrong. It's known that the Ainu in Sakhalin commonly intermarried with them. Also
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ase/advpub/0/advpub_190415/_pdf/-char/en
>Intriguingly, we found that F23 shared more haplotypes with Aboriginal Australians than with most East Asians. IBD sharing analysis (Supplementary Table 26) and f4-statistics (Supplementary Table 13) also showed the same patterns, although the signal was weak and not significant (f4 (Mbuti, Australian; Han, F23) = 0.000115, Z = 1.092). Further studies with more northeast and southwest Jomon genomes are needed to verify this affinity
>When worldwide populations were compared with F23 using PCA, Funadomari Jomons were closer to East Eurasians than to Africans, Europeans, Sahulians, and Native Americans (Figure 8a), consistent with the previously reported Sanganji Jomon genome (Kanzawa-Kiriyama et al., 2017). Next, comparison with East Asians showed that Funadomari Jomons were distinct from other modern East Eurasians. Modern Japanese individuals were situated between Jomons (Funadomari, Sanganji, and Ikawazu) and continental Northeast Eurasians (CHB, Naxi, and Yi; Figure 8b). The four Jomon individuals clustered tightly
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>>7684632
It's not a model of the Nivkh but a model of a late Jomon from southern Japan
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>>7684632
cont.
So the Jomon basically are related to their descendants. I think that, if we were to consider your point of view as true, negritoes and the such have Jomon admixture instead of the contrary
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>>7684642
That's utter nonsense. Jarawa have been isolated in the Andaman islands for 40k years.


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