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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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Why do tankie retards claim the Holodomor wasn't bad and that famine was naturally occurring in Russia despite the fact that the last famine that happened in Russia before Communism only killed 350,000 people in comparison to the 7,000,000 killed in the Holodomor.
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>>9524616
>using stirner memgosim to defend tankie shit
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>>9524691
>doesn't know what a tankie is
>makes up new gibberish like memgosim on the spot
Based illiterate stroke victim.
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BOY THOSE KULAKS SURE WOULD BE SORE
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>>9524639
>Age:16
>Net Worth: $0
>Gf: Pillow
>Employed: No
>Stirner fan: YEEEEEEEESSSSS!!! I'M GAY FOR A DRAWING OF A FICTICIOUS MAN WHO DIDN'T EXIST!!!!
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>>9524726
>Net Worth: $0
>Gf: Pillow
Illogical retard take.
>FICTICIOUS MAN WHO DIDN'T EXIST!!!!
Based memgosim take.

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What a fucking nightmare
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>>9521995
>t. reddit teir intelligence
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>>9522817
Not him but we aren’t meant to live this easily it makes us unhappy.
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ITT
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>>9522531
You can easily walk backroads stupid. Just because ypu can't walk on the freeway doesn't mean you can't walk.
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>>9523498

Also you can have very nice clean clay/sand floors.

Doesn't have to be loamy soil

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How accurate is this?

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did she actually write her diary with a ballpoint pen before its invention?
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>>9520740
Her father wrote it, and there was a battle over the book because her uncle also claimed to have written it. Nice story, useful propaganda, but not authentic.
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>>9524427
propaganda for what. Its only well known because its a good way to get kids introduced to something they can related from the holocaust.
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>>9524427
>>9524506
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>>9524506
> its a good way to get kids introduced to the holocaust.\
well fucking duh duh duh bro. Why would it be necessary to introduce children to the holocaust?
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>>9523031
>sensationalist headline when he was obviously referring to the mass shooter
>it says 'wants to' yet you say 'are'
cringe bait

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To the United States, it was Vietnam.
To the Soviet Union, it was Afghanistan.
What were the other "Vietnams" of other superpowers?
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>>9521302
have you seen U.S inflation in early 70s?
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>>9518323
Spain for Napoleon
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>>9518323
China, for the manchurians
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Ireland for Britain.
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>>9519107
For Cuba as well.

Which one of the countries submitted to turks the most? Is it true that serbs were turks most loyal servants?
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>>9524685
>In Romanian, the prince signs "Dimitrie". In Latin: Demetrius, a form taken by most authors in eighteenth-century Europe. At the age of 14 he was forced to leave for Constantinople (1688-1690), where he stayed for 12 years, as a pledge of his father's faith at the High Gate, replacing Antiochus, who later became lord of Moldavia. His father, Constantin Voda, wanted to make his son a learned man, so he chose Dimitrie's educator as the teacher Ieremia Cacavelas, from Crete, a Greek with studies in Venice, Oxford, Leipzig and Vienna. Jeremiah Cacavelas was the translator from Latin into Greek (in 1687) of the work Vitae Pontificum [The Lives of the Popes], written by Bishop Platina. Cacavelas had a great influence on the spiritual formation of Dimitrie Cantemir.
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>>9524711
And? Do you have something to add here? He was an ottoman nobility page, not a slave or a prisoner.
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>>9524685
Nah, the turks betrayed him for money

>Between March and April 1693, after the death of his father, he was elected by the great boyars, led by Iordache Ruset, the lord, lord of Moldavia, at the age of 19. The sequence of events was as follows: on March 19/29, an aga of the vizier in Iași was brought to "uproot Dumitrașco beizădeaoa, Cantemir-Vodă's son in his father's place." The Turkish governor, seeing that all the boyars demanded him as lord, "took a caftan and put Dumitrașco beizădeaoa behind him." [17] But after a reign that lasted less than three weeks and was not recognized by the Gate, the Turks paid by Constantin Brâncoveanu, the lord of Wallachia, imposed in the royal throne Constantin Duca (on April 18, 1693) [18], the instrument of the Muntenian lord. The enthronement of Constantine, the son of Gheorghe Duca was announced by a hooded man, Mehmed Cerchez, who came to Iasi, and Dimitrie Cantemir returned to Constantinople, together with the so-called Ottoman governor, to continue his studies at the Academy of Ecumenical Patriarchate, branch spiritual development of the University of Padua. Here were teachers who taught geography, anatomy and opened to students the knowledge of the treasures of classical literature, Greek and Latin.
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>>9524711
Also this is what Istanbul was like, a cosmopolitan city and lots of phanariots... all ottoman.>>9524719
There is no betrayal here it is impossible because Turks often appointed different rulers to Moldavia and wallachia. It was not hereditary.
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>>9524719
This is his cope diary after he lost his rebellion and went to Russia for the rest of his life.

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> More recently, biological anthropologist Peter Brown hypothesized that such a back-migration from North America to East Asia may have brought the Mongoloid phenotype to the Old World. Brown’s hypothesis rested on an observation that the oldest crania with “Mongoloid morphology” are found in North America; only later do they show up in East Asia.
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The irony of Asian chasers mixing their DNA with mong again, haha. Embrace the mong with your dong.
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>>9521586
Just because a feature originates in one population does not mean that said feature is directly springing out of that population, for example, blue eyed animals existed before humans, though humans with blue eyes are not mixed with these animals. Various factors can contribute to a certain phenotypic trait developing among different unrelated peoples.
The Mongoloid gene actually originated from SHG old Scandinavians.
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>>9524342
Mongoloids are older
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>>9524365
please point to the specific feature's' on the skeleton which you believe to be 'asiatic' or mongoloid
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>>9524365
did you have trouble finding a version that wasn't for ants?

>1998
the anthropologists fucked up because they assumed things about the people living in Siberia at the time based on outdated theories, Raghavan's paper identifies MA1 as descending from western Eurasians who migrated eastwards

their main evidence are the boy's shovel shaped incisors, which is not as reliable as you'd think

"... populations related to contemporary western Eurasians had a more north-easterly distribution 24,000 years ago than commonly thought. Furthermore, we estimate that 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry may originate through gene flow from this ancient population. This is likely to have occurred after the divergence of Native American ancestors from east Asian ancestors, but before the diversification of Native American populations in the New World. Gene flow from the MA-1 lineage into Native American ancestors could explain why several crania from the First Americans have been reported as bearing morphological characteristics that do not resemble those of east Asians. Sequencing of another south-central Siberian, Afontova Gora-2 dating to approximately 17,000 years ago, revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as MA-1, suggesting that the region was continuously occupied by humans throughout the Last Glacial Maximum. Our findings reveal that western Eurasian genetic signatures in modern-day Native Americans derive not only from post-Columbian admixture, as commonly thought, but also from a mixed ancestry of the First Americans."

anyways the reason your screencap is so diminutive and stretched out is because you really suck at this and want to keep it low information, it must be hard to keep track of it all

hence the filenames

Are the Spanish somehow more inclined towards violence, or is the Black Legend just another chapter from the big book of Anglo lies? Was the encomienda any less brutal than slavery in the English colonies?
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>>9524604
Did the english work indians to death?By Papal bull, all conquered indians were vassals of the Sapins king, they were sent into the mines(a very dangerous activity with high deathrates) because they were considered expendable.The British (and French)were colonizers, not conquerors.
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>>9524574
>of rebels or other hostile factions, just like the English in Ireland
And got BTFO by Elizabeth. Anglo-Spanish wars in general ended in either a stalemate or English victory.
>or the French in France
Which the French eventually won
>the Swedes in Germany
Lmao, Spaniards hardly fought the Swedes until Nordlingen, where Swedish troops wrested a heavily fortified hill from Spanish veterans and then started killing each other due to miscommunication.
> the French in Italy, or the French in Rhineland
That was a combined Spanish-Imperial effort.
>A paper tiger that could project power onto 4-5 separate continents for decades at a time and only really began to decline after nearly a century of tanking their own economy
You mean America, which isn't exactly an achievement to begin with, and Western Europe. Spanish got BTFO by the Dutch, the English, and eventually the French. Habsburgs in general were pushovers for the Swedes, Poles and Ottomans.
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>>9524604
>405
It still hurts
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>>9524587
Patently uninformed opinion mate. Capitalism is all about private ownership of the means of production. The Spanish empire was explicitly mercantilist in that the goal of all the exploitation was strengthening the state and giving it an edge on the European mainland. In fact without the silver from Mexico, Philip II would never have been able to fund the fleet that defeated the turks at Lepanto.

If it had been capitalist in its method then not nearly as much of the gained wealth would have ended up in the state treasury since the colonies would a) have been run by private enterprise b) been allowed to trade with anyone, not forced to send everything via a single port to the iberian peninsula.
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>>9524630
>Did the english work indians to death?
The English would kill Indians that fought them or take their land.
>all conquered indians were vassals of the Sapins king, t
Just like every subject under the crown of Spain
>they were sent into the mines
some were sent to the mines and some weren't, mining was mostly region specific and in general labor came in the form of agriculture. Either way tribute was demanded in the form of taxation, or forced labor just like the old country Indians were integrated into an already existing system or in some cases like the Inca the Spanish took over an already existing labor system.
>The British (and French)were colonizers, not conquerors
There's hardly any difference between the two ideas.

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>>9524679
I mean I completely disagree with all that, and thats fine. I was literally just trying to say (and clarified after I realized I was inarticulate) that the media will always try to destroy an anti-globalist. That's it.
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>>9524706
And I agree that that's fine, but that's because neither of us are on the crazy sides of the argument. Both extremes of the aisle hate me (the far left because I'm an extreme capitalist and I oppose their beautiful communist utopia, and the far right hates me because they see my plan as economic prosperity by outjewing the rest of the world) but I can live with that as long as there's a civil discussion on policy.
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>>9524713
It took me a second to notice it.
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>>9522406
>>9523184
>>9522256
The thing I always heard is that Taft was not a particularly great president and in fact he never really wanted to be president, his goal was always to be on the Supreme Court. And he apparently was one of the best Chief Justices of the SC we ever had after he got the position.

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Were they justified?
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>>9524038
>Lose
>Still want to dictate terms
Play a retarded game win an extra chromosome
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>>9521490
and how many did the japanese kill in korea and china, and how many were the still killing every day?
It wasnt just for revenge. And the the presidents responsibility was to US citizen far before it was to enemy ones. If it had ever come out he had nukes he didnt use on japan and let tens of thousands of american die in an invasion he would be torn apart in the streets.
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>>9521529
KEK that you think the japanese civilians didnt have a choice when they literally forced their government to continue the war and not abandon the empire when the US embargoed them. The period of time before WW2 in japan was called rule by assassination. Government officials even up to the prime minister who were thought not to be hard line enough about the empire or fighting in china would literally be assassinated in the emperors name, and this wasnt by elites it was by low level military officers. And then the people would riot if they were relased or given extremely lenient sentences. WW2 japan is one of the only instances in history were the people forced their government into war. Japanese High command didnt even think they could win, but they know they would be assassinated if they gave up the empire. Fucking idiot troll.
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>>9524048
So the president just lets all those additional americans die? When it is literally his job to protect americans?
The japanese just get to keep killing more civilians in china and the rest of their occupied territories more of our POW's?
Literally every day thousands died under japanese occupations. Ignoring losses from battles. The japanese people who fanatically supportive of the war to the very end. Why should we value their lives over our own and the lives of their victims.
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President Roosevelt won the presidential election by falsely stating that he would not enter the war.

He gave Japan an ultimatum, the Hull Note, which was handed to the U.S. Ambassador to the U.S. in a private document secreted from the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. I don't know any U.S. Senators. In the midst of the peace process, Japan was forced to give the Americans an ultimatum and start the war.

The United States of America has committed a series of violations of international law. The Japanese military knew that the Americans were planning to use atomic bombs to kill non-combatants, and as a countermeasure, they were prepared to use biological weapons to destroy North America. However, Emperor Showa, concerned about the violation of international law, stopped the plan from being implemented.

The U.S. was able to go mad as a murderous madman after the war by forcing an illegal trial in Tokyo, which also followed an ex post facto law, but almost all the gains as a victorious nation were won by the Soviet Union.

The reason for this was that President Franklin Roosevelt's entourage was a group of espionage agents secretly ordered by Stalin. The atomic bombs they developed were stolen directly by the Soviet Union.

The U.S. Democratic Party, which carried out this foolish war leadership, was a den of masked communists.

There can be no justice in dropping such a bomb.

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How the fuck can people MORALLY support rehabilitation?
Most of it boils down to
>Muh you're doing something barbaric
>We need to be better than them
Since when did anybody moralfag this much about caring for legitimate piece of shit criminals.
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>>9524578
How would it be related? If YOU haven't shot up a mall, then the government isn't going to kill you.
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>>9524520
That's not how it works in practice. There is a major legislative push in the US (among other places) to reduce 'life without parole' sentences into lesser sentences. New York even freed the mass-shooter who slaughtered 10 people during the Palm Sunday massacre. 'Life without parole' is a promise that the state cannot be trusted to keep.
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>>9520951
Places without capital punishment don't try to rehabilitate convicts but can typically sentence them to life terms.

IMO it would be most appropriate to regard and handle crimes of opportunity differently from crimes of passion.
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>>9524606
After serving 32 years in prison...
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>>9521871
>le everything has descend into carnage and mayhem if we don't keep despotic and tyrannical institutions functioning that weren't even a part of our founding laws boogeyman
Without outright abolishment all the alphabet soup agencies and broken windows and drug policies could be dismantled.

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Why is suicide immoral?
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>>9524077
>There is not a tiny creature in the cosmos at whom his death is not a sneed.
Based
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>>9524077
maybe Chesterton needed to stop seething over what some sad fucks do with their lives?
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>>9522462
It isn't. Just another Christcuck meme you take for granted.
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>>9522598
This.
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>>9522573
>>9522669

Is it wrong to be fascinated by dark and morbid things from a long time ago? I've been on a Salem Witch Trials kick, and my boyfriend got mad at me for saying they were cool. "Cool? Real people were killed. Real hearts were broken. Real tears were shed. You shouldn't take pleasure in the pain of others just because their pain existed long ago."

Is he right? I'm very sensitive to bad things happening in the present, but find harrowing things from the distant past exciting. Reading about a shooting or kidnapping from 2012 would upset me since people in the present would still suffer from it, but that 11th century plague, 5th century murder, or that supremely messed up story from 1432? Love reading about those.
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>>9524533
If you live in the first world, most of the stuff you use was taken from exploited third worlders. hypocrites like your boyfriend pick and choose what you can and cant care about.
dont listen to him, my homosexual friend
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>>9524533
>Is it wrong to be fascinated by dark and morbid things from a long time ago?
I'm really into death camp trains at the moment.
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>>9524533
If you really want dark and morbid, research that one Pope trial from around the late the 800s AD.
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>>9524585
Is that the one where the guy dug up his father's corpse and put him on trial, with a terrified kid around 13 presiding?
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>>9524533
As long as you don't get an erection reading about fucked up shit it's probably fine.

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Why did Romans larp as Greeks during the republic, but Greeks larp as Roman during the empire?
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Because people always larp as the (perceived) current cultural/political superpower; and Romans at their beginning were some literally who Italian tribe wishing to adopt Greek cultural heritage
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>>9524710
False, they were seeking to adopt Etruscan influence. Greeks were literal who and the romans fucked them hard at every encounter and enslaved them all. Greeks took revenge with Christianity.


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