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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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This is an unauthorized photo of Stalin at 4:31 AM June 22, 1941 immediately after hearing that the Nazi Germans have attacked the Soviet Union.

What do you think was going through his head?
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>>10529227
Lot of them actually fought for communism, considering how disproportianate were party members in the army and amongst partisans. But at the time there was literally no difference between fighting for Russia and fighting for communism.
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>>10529227
>Die to defend the Soviet Union
>Fail anyways
Doesn't matter. Russia was utterly humiliated; nobody is proud of being from Russia. It has some of the highest suicide rates in the world because there's no high culture, or anything worth value there anymore. The only thing Russia had going for it was its Pyrrhic victory of World War II, and even that is worthless considering it was only because of human wave tactics and Lend Lease. The only thing the Communists did was act as a meat shield for Western democracy and NATO which spelled its eventual downfall.
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>>10529241
>Commie hater actually is just Russia hater
Why am I not surprised?
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>>10529228
>Stalin murdered millions of Christians in the Holodomor
It's absolutely absurd and ahistorical to suggest that the Holodomor had anything to do with Ukraine being especially Christian. Russia was plenty Christian. Nobody's "crying foul" people are pointing out your historical distortions.
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>>10529248
Imagine dying over a piece of soil, especially Russian soil, which is just snow and rocks. There's nothing of mythical or insightful value there. Russians literally make up folklore of their time in a single conflict just to feel as if being a "Russian" is something to be proud of when nobody wants to be Russian, even Russians, considering they kill themselves at higher rates than trannies do. Even Russians hate themselves, and not even World War II cope can keep them from shooting their brains out. What a sad state of affairs.

Blonde hair, blue eyes. Seethe.
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>>10529109
Italians are whiter nowadays than back then and yet the majority have dark/dark brown hair and eyes
Cope
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>>10529210
You cannot separate me from my ancestors. I reject liberal atomization.

I am the wit of Napoleon.
I am the pen of Shakespeare.
I am the strength of a Viking lord.

I am the son of Europa, and yes, those features show a shared genetic and spiritual connection between me and the volk.
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>>10529235
t. amerimutt
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My ancestors :)
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>>10529235
I guarantee you're a fucking mutt. No actual European falls for the "RETVRN TO THE VVHIET FIELDS OF EVROPA" meme. And your "liniage" means literally fucking nothing if you fail to live up to it

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Should military historians be more respected in the academia?
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>>10526545
>more
Why? Military historian are respected the same as everyone else, and that seems perfectly fair.
>pic
Oh, I see. You don't mean historians, you mean youtube retards.
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>>10526545
>Should military historians be more respected in the academia?
Why aren't they respected?
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>>10526545
Isn't this the guy that made a """serious""" video that he thought a lot before releasing that claimed nationalsocialism was actually socialism and quoted political narrative of the time - removing the political context - and presenting it as an objective claim instead of simple rethoric to gain guillible followers?
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>>10528292
It wouldn't surprise me. He's also the guy who quotes Glantz to claim that Hitler made the right decision to prioritize attacking the Ukraine in the Eastern Front to secure oil, ignoring the context that Glantz brings up that oil was an afterthought and that the decision to strike south both in 1941 and in 1942 were governed by operational concerns, trying to strike at exposed Soviet formations, and the economic stuff was an afterthought.
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>>10528292
His battlestorm videos are unique in the depth they go into on the dispositions of forces in specific battles. He really does his research in these from everything I've seen. Just make sure you mentally tune out as soon as he starts talking about anything to do with politics or economics because he has no fucking clue what he's talking about on those subjects

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>The contrasting American and Italian attitudes toward the 1891 New Orleans lynchings are perhaps best summarized by Theodore Roosevelt's comment. Roosevelt, then serving on the United States Civil Service Commission, wrote to his sister Anna Roosevelt Cowles on March 21, 1891:

>Monday we dined at the Camerons; various dago diplomats were present, all much wrought up by the lynching of the Italians in New Orleans. Personally I think it rather a good thing, and said so.
Why do people obsess over Wilson's, Jackson's and Jefferson's racism, but not this?
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>>10527856
>It wasn't even racism either since they were considered white and TR said as much.
Wait but I thought that Irishmen and Italians were treated differently just like niggers and spics?????
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>>10528386
They were but they were still considered white
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>>10528386
>Irishmen and Italians
>niggers and spics
Why don't you show African Americans and Latinx Americans the same amount of respect you show to Irish and Italian Americans?
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>>10527834
Man you know why.
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>>10528386
Anyone who wasn't a wasp was treated differently. Niggers were at the bottom, then spics and chinks, then all euro catholics, then all non anglo euro proddies, then anglos at the top.

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ITT history content creators that irrationally piss you off, even if they don't really deserve it
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>>10528274
He's right tho.
You're just another people on this planet whose time in the sun waxes and wanes. You have to be deranged to believe otherwise.
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>>10527539
I remember this channel getting btfo'd by some turbo autist obsessed with the crusades.
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>>10529180
You mean Real Crusader History?
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>>10529203
yeah I think so. that video is probably like 6-8 years old now.
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>>10526646
cringe

is this true?
were the atomic bombings of japan unnecessary and morally reprehensible?
https://twitter.com/roun_sa_ville/status/1291455311841316865?s=21
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>americans dying by the tens of thousands hopping form lightly fortified island to lightly fortified island in the pacific
>mainland nippon was arming school girls with spears in attempt to die a bushido death and let young children be riddled with bullets
>millions would have died if the war kept going to the mainland, mostly japanese, a lot of americans who didn't deserve to be in the hell that was the pacific theater
>have an end game weapon

Anybody who says it was not justified is a fucking retard and I wish I could just send them to die at iwo jima, wherein they would last all but 20 seconds before crying like a little fucking bitch and getting sniped in the face.
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>>10516466
>using "we" "we" "we"
stop larping as brave WW2 soldiers, Americans.
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>>10524550
Good, we don’t need any more faggots. The ones we have already are annoying.
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>>10516618
Commies are hypocritical retards. There’s a reason they invented whataboutism.
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>>10516466
This. If Imperial Japan didn't want their country to be used as a bomb testing site, they shouldn't have started the war.

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If an AI could be used to generate photorealistic CP of kids who have never existed before, would that be illegal? Do you think it would be banned? Do you think it should be banned?
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>>10529251
Not presently
Yes
No

If a president said this today, they would be so heavily ostracized and may even be impeached.
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>>10529179
They violated the aforementioned cases which confirmed that the United States is not a compact and that states cannot enter and exit at will, and that the states are subordinate to the federal government.

If there is no process for secession then secession is legally impossible; what happened was treason, which there were certainly laws against.
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>>10528918
I'm not going to say that the South fought for states' rights. But I will say the Norths main goal was to persevere the union and they only made it about slavery when it seemed the U.K might intervene on the Confederate side
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>>10529218
I 100% agree with you, although you can't really blame the North for taking the easiest moral high ground imaginable for their European PR. Lincoln himself was a compromise moderate who would've been willing to let the South keep their slaves if it meant preserving the Union, but they just had to throw their tantrum.

I like this quote from General Sherman:
>If they want eternal war, well and good; we accept the issue, and will dispossess them and put our friends in their place. I know thousands and millions of good people who at simple notice would come to North Alabama and accept the elegant houses and plantations there. If the people of Huntsville think different, let them persist in war three years longer, and then they will not be consulted. Three years ago by a little reflection and patience they could have had a hundred years of peace and prosperity, but they preferred war; very well. Last year they could have saved their slaves, but now it is too late.

>All the powers of earth cannot restore to them their slaves, any more than their dead grandfathers. Next year their lands will be taken, for in war we can take them, and rightfully, too, and in another year they may beg in vain for their lives. A people who will persevere in war beyond a certain limit ought to know the consequences. Many, many peoples with less pertinacity have been wiped out of national existence.
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>>10529218
>they only made it about slavery when it seemed the U.K might intervene on the Confederate side
I see/hear about this a lot but I think intervention was out of the question because the British were busy burning down Beijing and trying to prop up the Qing against the Taiping.

Taiping Rebellion is why King Cotton didnt work out, the British decided the stability of China mattered way more than the rebellion going on in the US.
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>>10529234
It's debatable since Britain had been importing a lot of Southern cotton, yet it was also around this time that they were beginning to source cotton from Egypt and India.

The Emancipation Proclamation also encouraged blacks in the Confederacy to rebel, and not only rebel but help out and even join the Union army. It was also careful not to step on the toes of the slave states that were in the Union (namely Maryland, Kentucky, Delaware and Missouri) by only applying it to rebelling states. It was really a political masterstroke.

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What the fuck happened?
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>>10528895
Did they really have to manually set the pins back up every single time back then?
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>>10529006
The Bible specifically forbids the creation of representative art. Christians saw it as their religious duty to destroy as many works of art as possible, many saints won their sainthood through acts of vandalism. The Graeco-Roman statues that exist in museums today are a small fraction what originally existed, most of them only survived because they were hidden.

By the Dark Ages, Christians had decided that they were just going to ignore the Bible's prohibition against art; but, by then, it was too little, too late. Few master works of art survived, treatises on art had been lost by neglect or recycled in order to reuse the paper, art education was almost extinct in Europe.

The only reasons art was able to recover were because some ancient works of art were discovered and because brilliant people such as Filippo Brunelleschi rediscovered many of the principles of art.

After the Italian renaissance, the Church held an inconsistent attitude towards art. They were prepared to commission works of art (because they saw it's value as an instrument of propaganda) but they also frustrated the work of artists in many ways. Women were not permitted to pose nude, so the only way to understand female anatomy was to find one of the few, surviving works ancient statues and make studies of it. The Church was also reluctant to allow autopsies (because of the doctrine of Bodily Resurrection) so many artists lacked complete knowledge of anatomy, many of them are suspected to have attended secret, illegal, autopsies.
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>>10529175
Do you consider fictional representations of human forms to be sinful to make? What about portraits painted or photographed of people, or sculptures, but not meant to be used as idols? Personally, I draw the line at making representations of Christ, which probably shouldn't be done, and Christians are not supposed to try to represent God in artwork. Regardless of what an image represents, it is not the individual represented in actuality, and it is essential to avoid idolatry.
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>>10529175
>Christians saw it as their religious duty to destroy as many works of art as possible
I absolutely despise Christianity now
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>>10529214
I don't consider artistic representations of anything evil, personally. I'm not a Christian. Are there any denominations of Christianity that still consider "idols" to be sinful? I thought they abandoned that years ago.

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What are some civilization that you thought were primitive but that now you think are not primitive or even advanced?
I gotta go with Medieval Europe, in HS I thought they were very primitive, now I think they were not, especially in the Late Middle Ages. In this image you can observe the church of Saint Foy in Conques (France), built in the 11th century AD and in my humble opinion, not so "primitive".
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>>10528493
Yea the Mexica and others of that region are fascinating to me too. They were well on their way. Makes me wonder what they might have achieved had the Spanish not arrived. We will never know.
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>>10526834
we
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>>10528934
WHEN I WAS
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>>10528732
They were headed the way of the Inca, just 30 years behind
>learning about bronze - probably from Michoacan / Purempecha
>centralising the empire (Texcoco was already subjugated)
>too many sons of the Sun King

30 years, Moteczoma II would have died and his sons would have been fighting each other for the empire.
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>>10526830
Warring states period in China

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How do we cope with the fact that most of our male ancestors likely raped most of our female ancestors?
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>>10517264
Nice
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>>10517264
By becoming women to atone for our ancestor's sins
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>>10517264
>>10527611
>How do we cope with the fact that most of our male ancestors likely raped most of our female ancestors?
through historical re-enactment, remembering the good ol' days
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>>10529034
Already on it.
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>>10527564
>REEEEE! Women can’t select the worthier mate! You have to die for the sake of my inferior genes!
Spoken like a true beta cuck

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what led to the decline of Detroit in the late 20th century?
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Unions got corrupt, the manufacturing went overseas, the workers moved away, and the ghettos took over. And the ghettos will continue to support their exploiters.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh2tMKg2NQ4&list=PL_XnrX6bonfSc45CRPWrt1IUMoPata0ho

Detroit is in its golden age as we speak
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>>10525596
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, the Dakotas, Montana, and Idaho are the places to be now. Beautiful land and few people.
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>>10528907
Only if you just don't like seeing people and preferably have some kind of digital nomad job.
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>>10528879
>posts music from 25 years ago

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>Wehrmacht were goodies the SS were the baddies

Was the average European SS Volunteer in his dugout, defending Estonian refugees from the commie hordes was a baddie ?
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>>10528832
Yes
>>10528952
You will never be German.
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>>10528832
Nazis were the good guys
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There are no "goodies" and "baddies".
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>>10528886
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>>10529044
Why do you hate White people?

Has there ever been National Feudalism?
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>>10529205
This desu. The "nationalism is a modern invention" meme is so stupid and tiresome. So many low IQ clowns on this board.
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>>10529225
Ok so pls post local examples pls
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>>10529229
Even then, in ancient Greece they joined together to fight off the Persians. Aeschylus wrote this (pic related) in the fucking 5th century BC
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>>10529229
It is still ethnotribalism no matter how much you try to deny it.
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>>10529238
Imagine if we had leaders like that today. How did everything go so wrong? How did we become ruled by spineless, simpering, cowardly little rats?




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