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Redpill me on Gnosticism. I am super interested.

What if a nine month pregnant Anne Frank (wearing an astronaut helmet outfitted with an adequate supply oxygen had teleported into the Sea of Tranquility on the Moon at precisely 20:16 UTC on July 20th 1969, one minute and 40 seconds before the LEM Eagle landed on the lunar surface? What would Neil Armstrong's reaction be when he first sees Anne as he steps off the lander onto the soft ground? Would he think this pregnant Jewish girl a strange visitor from another world, proof that we are not alone in the universe? Would he still be cut out saying "that's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind"? Would he have the humility to relinquish the title of first human to set foot on the moon to this young girl and her unborn child who had somehow beaten him in the race?

Would Stanley Kubrick yell "CUT", angry at having to reshoot the entire sequence because of this mysterious teleporting pregnant Jewish girl?
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>>6969050

/tv/ said it was gay so not
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>>6964006

Unironically based
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lots of negative vibes
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>>6963699
But what if instead of Anne Frank, they saw Moonman planting a swastika flag?
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>>6969106
>pregnant Anne Frank
>Moonman
>Neil Armstrong

Might as well throw in the Mooninites in there.

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Are anceint and medieval cities like babel athens rome Baghdad etc, as big and glorious as it's depicted in paintings?
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>>6968861
>Historical accounts
The thing is we don't know what's fiction from fact
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>>6969118
if the tower of babel existed...
we would have ruins of it
or at the very least historical accounts of it
if a tower of such magnitude was real it would have been very hard to destroy and would have likely lasted long enough for any traveller of any civilization to come across it
and they would immediately have wrote about it
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>>6969123
>if a tower of such magnitude was real it would have been very hard to destroy
nothing is impossible for God tho
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>>6969128
nothing in the Bible indicates God destroyed it though
so along with the book of Job I'm starting to think it was more of a jewish folktale
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>>6969123
I'm not only talking about the tower of babel,Ancient scholars tend to exaggerate shit especially the Greek ones

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Why is the McDonald's worker paid not based on the number of burgers they have flipped, fries they have made, and toilets they have cleaned, but rather based on how many hours they have spent doing work?
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>>6969045
You're right that to quantify it perfectly would be hard. For instance, two may clean a toilet but one may do it better. At the same time, if an unambiguously definable task is completed, that can be measured and used for payment.

It's indeed easier to pay set rates to proletarians for the work they do, but is it best for us? Why do you settle with such a bullshit argument in selling away your economic soul?
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Different employees preform at different levels, and that's often independent of sales. It wouldn't be fair to pay the guy who's busting his ass picking up everyones slack the same as the lazy one next to him, that's why he EARNS 15/25% more.
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>>6969009
start a business and see your meme employment model work (or not... lmao)
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>>6969173
Agrees completely, that's why hourly wages don't make sense. The one busting his ass should get paid more based on how many burgers he creates, just like I said in the OP. Time-based payment precludes output-based payment by definition
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>>6969176
>Start a business and see if you are able to extract as much wealth from the proletariat as you intended

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What was it specifically that made societies despite we shouldn't physically discipline our children anymore? Because I was born in 86 and even then it was on a big decline, so clearly it started at least a decade or two before I was born.
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You shouldn't have to hit a child after they're about age 6 or 7, if you were a half effective parent they should understand reason and disciple by then.
If they don't you've failed them and continuing to hit them is going to fuck them up way more, especially when they start hitting puberty and you're still beating them.
I have a son age 11 and this is just what I observe in his peers and their parents.

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Why is that Mediterranean civilizations have been historically more creative, advanced, brave and imaginative than the rest of civilizations? Let's talk about it
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>>6969082
>wewuzzing snownigger
every time
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>>6969085
Anglos are some of the most pink skinned people on the planet they used to not even consider Germans and French people white.
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>>6969091
I'm ethnic Alsatian and I am under no illusion that the Romans were nordic or whatever memeshit race you think. But they were white.
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>>6969107
>Ethnic
>Alsation
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>>6969180
There's more to ethnicity than your haploautism :)

Why do westerners think Han Chinese is a single homogenous group?
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>>6967514
So it's like if people in Europe all called themselves Romans but also adhered to their regional ethnicities like French-Romans, German-Romans, Italian-Romans, etc?

If so, which ones are the original Han or the original Chinese?
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>>6969156
the HAKKA BVLL is the true HAN
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>>6969156
No, it's nowhere near that diverse as the entirety of Europe, France would be the most fitting category as they've tried to absorb all regional ethnicities, languages and culture much like China has, the entirety of Europe is way too different for such a comparison, all of Europe being lumped into one group would be like if Asia and Africa United and kept their regional identities.
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>>6969179
who cares, youre all the same wh*Toids anyway
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I love norf/souf posting on China. They should have it more.

And there are actual differences and issues this time.

Why is China a global superpower while India isn’t? After Mao’s reign of terror China was in such a poor position, yet they grew tremendously while India didn’t.

Is it:
>le State capitalism
>le ethnically homogeneous Han supermajority
>le Confucian work ethic
Or something else?
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>>6968847
>IQ
Completely irrelevant. The fundamental laws of supply and demand work everywhere no matter how high or low the IQ of the population is. Prosperity is achieved through the absence of government interference in the economy. Botswana has an average IQ of 70 and yet it has one of the highest GDP per capita in Africa.
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Is china's economic miracle more or less impressive than the other 'micracles'?
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>>6968886
how can a 0.7 correlation possibly be 'completely irrelevant'? for one thing, your example of Botswana still falls well short of any western European economy in its GDP per capita, and for another thing it is rich in resources, especially diamonds, with the mining industry account for over 1/3rd of its GDP.
you can point to outliers in the national IQ-GDP trend as it's not a perfect correlation, but this is usually due to either relatively low IQ countries such as Saudi Arabia lucking out in terms of geography and sitting on massive oil and gas reserves or high IQ countries such as North Korea having their economic growth impeded by being centrally planned and highly regulated.
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>>6967179
Have you ever been to New-Delhi?

It's the most disgusting place on earth. Indians are shit scum.
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>>6967179
China isn't a global power at all, much less a superpower. They have worse force projection than the russians, who are also NOT a superpower.

Learn what words mean.

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Can neopaganism be effectively discarded considering that the only country today that is indo-european pagan is a shithole?
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>>6968840
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_territories_by_Human_Development_Index
Seems like all South Indian states are at least above average. Meanwhile Aryan Pakistan is as bad as the worst Indian state.
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>>6968823
That pic is very outdated
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>>6968653
>They've traded their fedoras for mjolnirs.
True. I remember watching a video from the FFRF and at one point they were discussing the different grave markers options at Arlington cemetery. One of them said they would choose the Thors hammer.
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>>6968615
Bhuddism is technically an indo-european religion
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>>6969174
that's like saying scientology is an indo-european religion because it was started by an indo-european

why did monotheism overtake polytheism?
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And then it gets weirder when religions involve other dimensions in their mythos, where are the gods of those dimensions? The gods of Hades, the gods of Naraku, or the gods of Hel?
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>>6965923
Same thing here. They're both polytheists
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Post 1/2:

God is the Universe itself and everything in It and Universe has duality nature, which after fusion of two extreme opposites creates the "Holy Trinity". The real, original and intended meaning of the Trinity is two extreme opposites and the fusion of them. Neither is better than the other one and each of them posses qualities that the other one doesn't and it is the fusion of both of them that gives us the best outcome. It is the balance between two extreme opposites that at the end of the day always wins. Neither right nor left is better than the other, neither obese nor anorectic is better than the other, neither hot nor cold is better than the other etc. Trinity is one of the the Universal Truths, that can be applied to absolutely everything and the ancient as well as modern intellectual elite has been encoding this fact for thousands of years in many things, especially buildings. It is the BALANCE between two extreme opposites that's the best. This is the Universal Truth and is the true, original and now occultistic meaning of the Trinity, now hidden behind the veil of allegories in order to ensure, that only select few can know and fully understand it, because not everybody deserves to posses that kind of knowledge due to a tremendous amount of power it can potentially give to a right person.

See for example Gothic cathedrals or the famous painting known as "The Last Supper" and you will see the hidden symbolism of the Trinity/Triptych encoding the knowledge about the nature of God/Universe.

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Post 2/2:

There was also (much later) a planetary configuration of three planets in one line from Earth's point of view: Saturn, Venus and Mars and they looked like one god made out of three different parts, so priests created the Holy Trinity analogy to these planets, which were already worshiped as separate gods before they appeared in the heavens as one, so there are two different reasons for existence of Three-One-God: the Universe made out of two extreme opposites and the fusion of them and planetary configuration made out of Saturn, Venus and Mars. Each of these planets were also worshiped at different times as separate gods, when they weren't aligned in a straight line from Earth's point of view. See attached picture and watch videos below.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY

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>>6967539
(YOU)

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Find a flaw.

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Why did the Allies lose so many battles to the Japanese navy at the beginning of the war?

Simply underestimating the IJN?
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>>6968770
fuck you kirk isn't better than picard
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>>6968919
>8 years of non-intervention and FDR getting elected on a non-interventionist policy say otherwise. Even racial hatred of the Japanese wasn't going to get the US into a war without a first strike.
Hey, remember when you wrote here >>6968858

> FDR knew that he could never get the US public to support a war without a Jap first strike
And how that is a statement concerning the public's willingness of war and not FDR's policy? So why are you bringing up something not only totally irrelevant, but actually completely wrong in light of question 13 of survey 245-K? Are you stupid like the other anon who thinks that Gallup is a propaganda mouthpiece?
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>>6968938
I think you should lookup how polling questions are designed to get the outcome they want.

Where's the "Do you support a US first strike on Japan?" question? That would be far more enlightening than the more passive and vague "actions"?

Keep in mind you are no in direct contradiction of all mainstream historiography that says the US public was not in the mood for intervention.
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>>6968919
No. Japan was in Manchukuo from 1931-1937. The Soviet Union established Outer Mongolia in 1924 which America recognized as part of the Republic of China. By your claim America was obligated to fight the Soviet Union for occupying Outer Mongolia which America refused to acknowledge as independent from China.
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>>6968835
>FDR was perfectly fine with letting them rape China for 8 years straight.
Except he wasn't, we were supplying the Chinese the entire time in hopes that China could kick them out without us having to directly interfere.

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If you make money, you're taking from someone else. That's why it's not possible for wealth to not be zero sum
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>>6966222
Interesting. What is your best recommended literature on this whole concept of semites vs. Greeks differing in opinion on profit. And how would you reply to someone saying perhaps that is the view of philosophers but not all of Greek society. And that if you went to Persian or Arab philosophers they would say the same (while their respective society continues to seek profit and wealth)?
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>>6967067
The Greek path leads to hoarding wisdom, and shares technological progress/wealth with the community, achieving a futurist society that the primitive, yet wealthy, gypsy invades to extract wealth from.

The gypsy path leads to hoarding gold, but is technologically poor, achieving nothing above the primitive state.

The crapitalist is a gypsaic pathogen in the Greek/Wisdom society.

>>6966164
see >>6967067

prof zsolnai writes alot about this subject and the history of semitic profit-seeking vs the attainment of beauty/gnosis

eastern society was merchant-orients (phoenicians), while Greeks focused on gnosis (philosopy)

the ancient Greeks praised communism as the Golden Age. socialists called it "Original affluent society", communists called it "Primitive communism"

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>>6967192
China and India did just fine 500-1000 years ago.
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>itt communists prove they don't understand even the most basic economics
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>>6966841
>okay, professor gaysburg, where in nature do your economic theories actually apply in practice?
Anon, if you just keep making more money, then eventually the money will lose its value due to there no longer being a finite enough amount. We saw what happened to Germany when they tried to pay off the reparations to France by just mass-printing money, the Papiermark became valued at 4 million per 1 USD. Hell if that's too far back, Zimbabwe has the same problem right now. You can't just keep printing money or the money becomes worthless because the more of something there is, the less valuable each individual piece of it is.

I've actually had a pet theory that the story of Adam and Eve is the story of humanity's evolution, shortened by a ton and put first in the Bible because it was the oldest part of our story remembered:

>man is created in the garden of eden (our early hominid ancestors in the african jungles)
>eat the fruit of knowledge (mushrooms on the outskirts of the shrinking jungles, tripping and start neurogenesis and building bigger brains)
>they notice they are naked (losing body fur, evolving)
>cast out from the garden of eden (jungles gone, climate has changed africa into a grassland, man is now "separate" from the animals)
>when adam and eve have kids, cain kills his brother with a rock (tool usage starts)
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Adam and Eve are just beta testers
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>>6967451
Cool theory bro, but it misses the entire "everything is made perfect but we fucked everything up so we're to blame for everything bad ever" moral lesson that traditional interpretations stresses. It's too naturalistic so churches won't adopt it.
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>>6967634
>"everything is made perfect but we fucked everything up so we're to blame for everything bad ever"
do you think Uncle Ted was wrong?
>"how can knowledge be bad lol"
knowledge of good and evil, evil typically beats good because evil is strong
knowledge is bad
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>>6967451
>pet theory

it's literally the most common interpretation of it. it supposedly details the transition to consciousness and all the bad (and good) that comes as a result.
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>>6967461
Joe Rogan, for all the flak he gets, has my respect. Hardly any other media around is as down to earth and honest as his show.


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