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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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When I talk to contemporary homosexuals about the AIDs crisis, they're of the opinion that the government failed the homosexual community and they're responsible for a lot of the damage that happened to the homosexual community during that time. That they were benign and not properly bringing awareness to the issue is the usual complaint.

But I'm really failing to see how it's the government's fault. The government did put an effort into AIDs awareness once they realized a problem was there, it just so happened the homosexual community was absolutely devastated before the extent of the disease was realized.
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>>8389986
based
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>>8393142
It's been known since the fucking 19th century that STDs spread from sexual intercourse. Fags and other cumbrains, straights included, are almost always contracting and spreading shit. Promiscuity is why these diseases still exist and still mutate. Fags have no excuse. Whores don't blame others.
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does anyone have a link to a series of posts (it might have been a blog or feature article) from a gay man who lived through the 1980s/90s and dealt with aids as well as permanent health issues from anal? It was long and discussed the 'scene' at the time, as well as the rectal issues it left him with for the rest of his life.
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>>8394438
Do you mean "Surviving Gay"?
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>>8394438
https://josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/

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Why do Americans put France as a people that always surrenders? literally france marked the history of mankind with a multitude of victories
>Gauls plunder Rome
>Gauls wreak havoc in Asia Minor
>Franks defeat the Huns
>Franks defeat the Arabs in Tours avoiding the Arab conquest of Europe
>Franks defeat the Pannonian Avars
>Franks humiliate Turks in crusades
>Normans conquer Sicily and Tunisia
>France expels the English
>France humiliates Native Americans
>conquest of algeria
>France supports the independence of the United States
>french revolution
>napoleon on tour in europe
>France conquers Vietnam

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Any historian worth his salt knows that France is one of, if not THE, most militarily successful nation in history.
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>>8389896
You forgot
>Rome Plunders gaul
>Napoleon beat out of Russia
>Napoleon beat by a man who has food named after him
>Getting ass raped in the franco-Prussian war
>Losing so many people in WWI that soldiers flat out refused to fight
>Being overrun in 46 days in what should have been a stalemate
>You forgot the miscarriage that was the vichy franch

Can we stop to take a second and observe that the french lost WWII TWICE!!

>BTFO Vietnam
>BTFO literally of Africa
>Currently being colonized by the nation of islam

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>>8393887
The Prussians surrendered after a decisive defeat,the French surrendered because the Germans had outsmarted them. The difference is the French still had an intact army when they surrendered and could have kept fighting
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>>8394450
>The Prussians surrendered after a decisive defeat
Caused by the French outsmarting them

>the French surrendered because the Germans had outsmarted them
Thus causing a decisive defeat

>The difference is the French still had an intact army when they surrendered and could have kept fighting
Wrong, most of the French army had been eliminated and 70% of the country (including all of the most important locations) had fallen when France surrendered
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>>8389896
>Surrenders to Prussia
>Twice in the same century.

Reminder social democracy are moderate fascists.

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I'm getting really confused by the origins of the Quran. It seems like the easiest explanation for why it exists is to just accept the Islamic account. I don't understand why we still haven't found any pre-Islamic scriptural sources for the Quran, I don't understand why Muhammad would make up the entire religion when he didn't have anything to gain for most of his life.
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>>8393212
Allah comes from the Syriac Elaha which is cognate with the Hebrew Elohim you nitwit.
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Try looking into "The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Quran." It makes the most sense when interpreted through Syriac and Aramaic traditions.

Additionally, also look into Dan Gibson and his theory that Mecca isn't the real Mecca, and it is instead Petra. The Scholar proves this by showing how all the earliest mosques point to Petra as opposed to Mecca.
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>>8393965
>nitwit
I didn't realize we had boomers on this board
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Reminder that Yahweh was a Bedouin God
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>>8393972
>Dan Gibson
Is a retard

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>We are not so different, you and I...
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>>8380587
Both are left wing
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>>8380664
based
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>>8394206
>Both are left wing
Both are right wing totalitarian states.
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>>8380664
>Every single death under communism was like an Aztec sacrifice
More like a cow paddy being burned.
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>>8380664
>latifundia
I know you didn't know that word until Matt Christman said it

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Who would win?
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>>8394010
>Meem would be cucked by Turko-Scythians very soon.
I'm more worried about those totally indefensible Mesopotamian borders getting attacked by two persias
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>>8392565
Roor would fucking dominate, imagine have 2 Romes go at it.
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>>8392565
before the islamic invasions, meem
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This completely depends on where they're situated geographically relative to each other
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>>8392565
roor for sure. Roor is basically a huge archipelago, while Meem is surrounded by possibly hostile land on all sides

>defeats French
>defeats Americans
>defeats Cambodians
>defeats Chinese
Based?
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>>8394025
there are 22 mcdonalds in vietnam
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>>8394025
mcdonald
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>>8394025
Mdondolds are closing in Vietnam they didn't catch on. Also for the 1100000th time if the war were about whether there should or shouldn't be a Micky D's in Da Nang then yeah the US would've won. But it wasn't, it was over "should Vietnam be unified under a Northern Government?" And the Americans said no and then the north unified it lmao. To this day Vietnam is one of the few truly independent countries, they're balancing China and the Jew SA in a dangerous game but hey they're not sad puppets like North Korea or Germany
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>>8394019
>frances goal is to continue occupation of vietnam
>they fail to do so
>declare victory
>chinas goal is to occupy vietnam
>they fail to do so
>declare victory
sorry retard
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>>8394460
>frances goal is to continue occupation of vietnam
>they fail to do so
The French kept occupying Vietnam after the Sino-French War
China's goal was to kick them out and failed

>chinas goal is to occupy vietnam
>they fail to do so
>declare victory
Exactly
Chinks declare victory even in defeat

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When did Ukrainian Nationalism see its great rise? When did it spread and take over?

Most of the people in the western half of Ukraine referred to themselves as "Russian" at least until the October Revolution of 1917. There was a minority in Austria-Hungary that promoted the name "Ukraina" and claimed a separate existence from Muscovy, the so called "Great Russians." They were joined by a minority in the Russian Empire.

According to my understanding the rise occurred around WWII.
It was a combination of stimuli:
1. During WWI, Ukrainian nationalists in Austria-Hungary ratted out Russophiles in their community, and the government retaliated against these would-be allies of Russia (See Talerhoff). This resulted in a strengthening of the Ukrainian movement as those who did not go along with it were killed or fled behind the Russian front line.
2. Soviet Korenization and the creation of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic granted backing to the Ukrainian idea.
3. The Holodomor created a powerful reaction to the Soviet regime. People banded together and used Ukrainian nationalism as an alternative identity to the Soviet identity. Although the Holodomor affected regions outside of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the nationalists claimed that it was a genocide against them.
4. Operation Barbarossa provided an opportunity to break off of the Soviet Union, which appealed to Ukrainian nationalists, who enlisted in the Wehrmacht in large numbers. It was also an event that would cause the deaths of those who did not go along with Ukrainian nationalism, just like during WWI.
5. Immediately after the war, lots of Ukrainians flooded into western countries for protection from the Soviets, where they formed very strong, or perhaps chauvinistic, community centers and schools, teaching their version of history.


What I am curious about are the alternative theories.
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>urkaine
>ukrainian
>urkainians
No such things.
>holodomeme
Never happened.
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>>8393415
This meme map only justifies Russian claims on Ukraine. Never use stupid propaganda as an educational source.
>>8394419
15 rubles per post
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>>8393415
>of Ukraine referred to themselves as "Russian"
Rusyn and russkiy s a different thing. Russia stole Kievan Rus's identity in 1721. At the same time people from Western Ukraine still had they Rus identity, which got nothing in common with so called "russia"
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>>8394419
sip of vodka per post

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Be African
>poor but free with access to natural resources when there aren't roving tribal gangs pillaging and raping

Or

China
>absolutely zero human rights or freedom, total dystopia of sludging misery in overpopulated overworked and dirty cities and rice fields
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>>8394124
Jokes on you I only talk to people under the age of 10.
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>>8394100
But Mongols aren't racist
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>>8394043
puk
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>>8394043
Ask why you see Africans moving to China but not Chinese moving to Africa for work (except to be slave masters)
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>>8394111
>As for distant ancient China... yeah kung fu monks is ok.
What did he mean by this? Ancient china conscripted peasants who won with crossbows and horses, not martial arts.

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uggghhhh.... what couldve been
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>>8389113
What map program are you guys using?
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>>8393541
>map program
FUCKING PAINT
God, we get a dozen of these replies every fucking thread.
It's called Microsoft Paint.
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>>8389388
>>8389452
>>8390197
>>8393541
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>>8389064
FUCK IM COOMING

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Was the victorian era the best era to live in?
>top tier fashion
>just the right amount of technology to live comfortably but not feel the degree of alienation and purposelessness we feel today
>rise in nationalism
>relatively peaceful time for a lot of countries
>traditional values
>right amount of secularism and religiosity

Not even a Brit
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>>8393370
They even have no mercy on their own species. Imagine what they would do to our species.
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>>8393360
This, jungle bunnies are dangerous.
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>>8391221
If you weren't w*rking class, sure.
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>>8391227
>>8391527
>YOU'D BE A CHIMNEY SWEEP
the majority of people were skilled workers or some flavor of lower-middle class
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>>8391857
>>8393293
>>8393304
you guys know they just wore less layers and lighter fabrics right?

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Why is the world so unequal?
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>communist guerrillas and corrupt statist generalissimos completely destroy a country
>"western corporations bought some bauxite from this country therefore they completely control it and are responsible for everything that happens in it, the problem is not war, corruption and instability but my boss scolding me for not showing up on time"
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>>8393555
>>8393594
>>8394249
>im 15 and this is edgy
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>>8394321
Based.
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>>8394404
>>im 15 and this is edgy

unfortunately no edge was intended in this post, just bringing forth the idea that both individuals and societies should govern themselves with little to no outside influence
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>>8394433
that's a moral absolute fantasy with no bearing on reality

to use an example that you might sympathize with, if le evil capitalist factory owner is dumping waste in a river and you live downstream you absolutely should try to impose your will on him

Was Idi Amin justified or a mad man?
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>>8394009
Redpill me on this nigger
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>>8394076
Elaborate
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Just a dictator whose domestic forms of legitimization in recently independent Uganda seemed funny to britbongs. Don't think he was insane, but nationalistic boasting can sound really weird without the right cultural context.
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>>8394172
He created systematic errors which likely contributed to many people's deaths.
And he did so due to the debts he acquired.

He's essentially Uganda's Caesar.
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>>8394087
He was the average African strongman but he provided more memes than the average African strongman. Nobody cared about him until Entebbe. Once he sent a message to the queen of England asking her to have sex.
reminder that Milton Obote was way worse than Idi Amin but no-one has heard of the atrocities in the Loweero Triangle

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Didn't he say he was being a bit hyperbolic in this very same writing? Or was that another one?
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>>8394434
Nope he didnt have very good words for the jews either
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>>8394439
That was a fake. Anglos are kindred spirits with God's Chosen.
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>>8394420
Yes. Unfortunately Americans' view on race has deteriorated to the point of absurdity.


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