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If you read Homer in translation, you're a fucking butt-munching pleb and you should leave this board forever. There, just fixed /lit/.
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>>18219149
The name "Homer" is a translation.
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>>18219284
kek
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>>18219149
If you read Homer at all you're a pseud. Listening to him recited orally from someone who has memorized him from a long line of storytellers is the only true way to understand him.
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If you read ANYTHING you are a fucking pleb.
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>>18219149
Why would I read a book by a Simpsons character?

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What's your favorite romance novel?
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>>18213718
I'm sure it's rarer but it's also difficult to find good romance novels.
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>>18213197
Katawa Shoujo by Hacker known as 4chan
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>>18213197
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Ada or Ardor by Nabokov
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>>18213718
there's romance in most of the /lit/ top 100, but I do read some romance genre lit at times.

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Is it possible to write erotica that is also great literature?

I say absolutely not. It's possible to write erotica that is great at BEING erotica, but in becoming so, it will not be great literature.

Orson Welles in this video makes a really good point. He's talking about cinema but I think it applies equally well to literature:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jBrhI_qqAY&t=13s

Welles is saying that you can only make a "masterpiece of pornography," but not a masterpiece that is itself pornographic, because the goals of pornography and the goals of cinematic art are fundamentally different. I think he is correct, and I think the same applies to literature. You can, to quote Welles, "get as dirty as you want." You can depict sex, you can describe the bodies of women, and so on. But it's not going to be erotica, because the entire point of erotica is to get you so horny that you jerk off. And the point of something trying to be great literature is to communicate truths, to express something fundamental about whatever it is you are writing about, be it beauty, be it God, be it the nature of war, or anything. And writing in such a way as to get someone horny enough to fap is going to make them incapable of receiving such truths given the nature of the state someone gets in when they get that horny.

You can, as Welles says, make really, really good pornography. A "masterpiece of pornography." This is true for erotica as well. You can write things that are really, really good at making people horny. But they won't be great literature. They'll be great porn, but not great literature. The two are fundamentally different categories and cannot mix.

Thoughts?
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>>18218654
this is all based on authors intent which is a reductive way of thinking. Why? Because why limit categorically a written piece as not literature? Porn is porn and literature is literature, but strictly claiming that porn can not be analyzed on the level of a piece of literary work is limiting.

Personally, I think art should be separate from authors intent. Intent is a useful tool, but it should not be the decisive factor on what a piece of work IS. I think that good literature can come from anywhere even if its unintended to be so.
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>>18218898
Your requirement for "the entire work" makes your conjecture tautological, since you classify only things dedicated solely to onanistic stimulation as erotica.
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>>18218654
>Is it possible to write erotica that is also great literature?
What is ‘erotica’ and how is it differentiated from literature that is erotic — for instance the Song of Songs, or the poems of Theognis, Catullus or Petrarch?
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>>18218659
This
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No.
>Why
Because I say so.

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Why didn't Voldemort just make his horcruxes something indestructible, or at least something functionally so, like a mote of dust or the Earth itself or a children's hospital or a digital file that he could just copy ad infinitum giving him an infinite supply of horcuxes. This seems like a massive oversight by Rowling.
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>>18213720
The main story takes place in the 90s, Harry was born in 1980, there were no digital files like that.

>>18214053
This. The main point was not to make something no one could find and be indestructible, the point is to have something only your allies could find and use them to ressurect you.

Also >>18213887
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>>18214344
A fun thing to remember is that Voldemort invented the magical process to regain a human body at the end of book 4. Ergo, prior to him no one who created a horror thtoughout history has ever fully come back. Thier fractured soul piece is forced to wander the earth.
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>>18213629
Voldemort has a very easily readable laundry list of personality traits that are essential to understanding his behavior. 2 of which are his tendency to hoard 'trophies' of his crimes because he is insecure and wants reaffirmation of his greatness and dominance, and absurdly high gradiosity for himself.

The dude's not otherwise stupid, he's generally a few steps ahead of everyone else and is coolly calculating. But his insane ego very seriously makes him make dumbfuck decisions occasionally.

It's not enough for him to put his soul in any random thing and hide it any random place. He wants granduer. He literally, unironically thinks he is sacred and basically a god. He refuses to place his own sacred soul in anything normal. One of the locations for a horcrux of his was the area where he first learned he could talk to snakes and where he did his first serious crime by mentally traumatizing two children. It's strategically idiotic because someone could AND DID research his past and search that location. But he does things like thing because he's obsessed with his own greatness and it makes him blind.
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>>18213629
Le plot holes #gotem!! Epic take down.
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read hpmor

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I'm looking for novels in the Middle Ages and these two called my attention. Which one would you suggest to a person who knows nothing about the period?
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>>18217727
For the first half, Baudolino is a humorous but grounded story of the middle ages. Then it goes off the rails and becomes a story about what people in the middle ages thought was far to the east. Monsters, Prester John, etc.
Both parts are great.
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>>18218276
Thank you. I watched a video about it and the girl said the same thing.
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>>18217727
Tirant lo Blanc was written at the end of the Middle Ages while Eco's work is contemporary historical fiction. Can't really compare the two.
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>>18218737
It's also never clear if the narrator, Baudolio, is bullshitting about everything or not, so maybe it's a fantasy novel, maybe it isn't. (one of the novel's main THEMES is ambiguity)

I have the same edition, and my MAJOR GRIPE is this: the novel takes place during the 4th Crusade (1204), but the cover art comes from a fresco made by Pietro Della Francesca in 1466, and depicts contemporaneous fashion in clothing and armor.
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>>18219282
...it's really good, you'll like it.

I want to learn about the lives of the saints.
I am not so much interested in the religious aspect of their lives, simply their biographies.
For example, I learned about Saint Clement (Pope Clement I) who was killed in 99 AD when he had a chain attached to an anchor tied around his and was thrown into the sea.
A big book of biographies of remarkable saints would be a dream come true. Considering there are thousands of them, it’s hard to find ones with interesting stories without sifting through a lot of ones with little to no info
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>>18217433
The Golden Legend by Jacobus de Voragine
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>>18217433
Most saints/martyrs probably never existed/were never martyred. Most of the "persecutions" also never happened.
I also don't think there exist many non-religious hagiography books.
Interesting thread btw, good luck with your quest
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>>18217433
The Saints Collection, by Catholic Way Publishing, available on libgen. It has 2k+ saints' lives in it. Some hagiographies are shorter, some are longer. It also has a "reading list" to give you either 1 saint a day or a few saints a day.
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Butler's Lives of Saints is a classic.
If you want Protestant saints who got persecuted by Catholics, then get Foxe's Martyrs
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>>18217433
>Saint Clement (Pope Clement I) who was killed in 99 AD when he had a chain attached to an anchor tied around his and was thrown into the sea.

tied around his what?

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What do you think of Wittgenstein's private language argument and its implication in epistemology?
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I’m retarded
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>>18219186
it spawned an entirely new field of philosophy involving language
pretty nice, and I can imagine how it loosely resembles autoencoders (neural net stuff) but it's just part of the story
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>>18219220
> I can imagine how it loosely resembles autoencoders (neural net stuff)

Wittgenstein denied that a private language was possible. The weights in an autoencoder seem a lot like a private language since they're totally fucking meaningless outside that specific neural net.
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>>18219186
Ddebonk
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>>18219186
>>18219197
>>18219220
>>18219234
>>18219246
How can he slap?

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Rationalists Silenced
New Atheists destroyed
Incest haters absolutely BFTO.

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"Love is wise, hatred is foolish." I guess that makes 4chan a pretty foolish place.
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>>18216198
Take your meds. Or check your eyes.
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>>18215960
righteous anger is basically the only form of real hate there is. it's righteous for someone, whether valid or not, and so your point is meaningless.
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>>18215766
P then Q ; yet p = not P
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Love is wise, hatred is foolish. A fine quote from a man who slept with his friend’s wives.
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>>18217509
based

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>The air has changed, and we breathe in deeply a spring laden and filled with seed. Cries rise up on every side. Who shouts? It is we who shout -- the living, the dead, and the unborn. But at once we are crushed by fear, and we fall silent.
> And then we forget -- out of laziness, out of habit, out of cowardice. But suddenly the Cry tears at our entrails once more, like an eagle.
>For the Cry is not outside us, it does not come from a great distance that we may escape it. It sits in the center of our hearts, and cries out.

I want to read the words of people who have shared the experience of losing the cry of God. People like Fernando Pessoa, in his poems or in the Book of Disquiet. People who hear the unabated shriek of life like a deceitful whisper that makes their skin crawl away from their flesh and makes their organs shrink into themselves like wounded animals.
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Bump
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Sunday sermons of Fr. Hunolt SJ PBUH
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>The truth is that there is really no "profane realm" that could in any way be opposed to a "sacred realm"; there is only a "profane point of view", which is really none other than the point of view of ignorance.
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I'm sure /lit/ hates this book but it fits
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Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

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Are these the best editions I can get if I want to read Lattimore's translation of Homer?
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>>18219088
I considered it while I was searching the archives for general ideas about translations.

is that the cover they use now? Ive ignored it because bookdepository is using a different cover for it.
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does anyone know much about Lattimore's other translations? I just picked up a copy of his Aeschylus
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>>18219113
I like his Pindar, much more than the Homer actually
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>>18219106
>is that the cover they use now?
Yes they are pretty nice aesthetically.

https://www.amazon.com/Iliad-Homer/dp/0679410759

https://www.amazon.com/Odyssey-Everymans-Library-Homer/dp/0679410473
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>>18219137
>>18219088
Those are wonderful.
Thanks I'll get these instead but shipping kinda hurts.
>30usd shipping

Thank you

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What are some novels in which the protagonist ultimately finds redemption and salvation in God, no matter his transgressions?
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>>18219026
Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
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crime and punishment

Anyone know anything about this? Any value?
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>>18218739
This, if you want the good stuff read the Thrawn trilogy
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>>18218746
Thrawn is the shittiest set of SW-EU I have ever read!! I’m mystified at all the times people keep recommending it. It’s got concepts and characters introduced and absolute boredom is all that happens.
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>>18218852
ok thanks buttercuck, what's a good one then?
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>>18219019
I liked the Tales from Jabba’s Palace, Mos Eisly, and Bounty Hunters, best.
There’s one I think it’s called Jedi Academy trilogy. A lot more lively.
Only thing that ever came close to the films was some of the comic books that were set a thousand years or so before the republic age.

Courtship of Princess Leia was okay too I guess
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>>18219039
thanks m8 I'll take a look

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Who are some obscure but /lit/ philosophers?
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>>18217963
>Basedow, unfortunately, was not disposed by nature or habit to succeed in an employment which required the greatest regularity, patience and attention

oh yeah
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>>18215933
literally one of the most famous German philosophers of the twentieth century
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>>18217151
>Braudel
not only is he not a philosopher, but he's one of the most famous historians of all time
most if the rest of your list is very well known too
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>>18218248
He wasn't an atheist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYbA1pt8LA

>>18218963
Make a bunch of shirtless videos and blog posts on philosophical topics

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeLURmm1ICIg46GkQpWOhIw/videos
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/
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>>18215869
Mitchell Heisman

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