I never see Lessing mentioned here. Any reason for that?
>>22558860The world has fallen almost utterly out of love with 18th century literature because it’s almost the exact opposite of what modern audiences are looking for. I can confidently say that nothing outside of a total world transvaluation of values like the Enlightenment will ever bring 18th century authors into vogue again
>>22559563>because it’s almost the exact opposite of what modern audiences are looking forWhat do you mean? I thought they are the godfathers of liberal and left-wing thought. The ideological winds have never been more favorable for their reception than they are right here, right now.
>>22559593They really aren't aside from a handful of cherry picked retards from that century (who may end up overrated today because of it). Do you think that Rivarol, Chamfort or Laclos would have supported trans rights? Even the types of subversion you may find in some of them are anachronistic (like freemasonry). Most of them were extremely fabulous and obsessed with being delicate although in a unmistakably male manner, so they won't get the female audience whereas contemporary men will be demoralized enough to call them fags.
>>22558860He's one of Germany's greatest minds, but you can't expect the plebs here to appreciate him. Schiller and Goethe are as far as they read in German literature.
>>22558860>oh no you guys are ignoring this masonGood.
Read Henry George It will change your view on political economy whether you're a Keynesian, Marxist, or what have youLeo Tolstoy>“People do not argue with the teachings of George, they simply do not know it. And it is impossible to do otherwise with his teaching, for he who becomes acquainted with it cannot but agree.”
>>22560767This is far and away the biggest problem in Georgism, but auctioning off land rights in certain test areas is one method
>>22560837I don't know it seems pretty similar to property tax. I'm not too familiar with how that's actually administrated but it seems pretty intuitiveAnd Georgism is not anti-capital, that's why we subtract the value of the improvements in order not to discourage anyone improving their land or providing an incentive to disimprove their land
The core of Georgism is thisNobody should be able to own the land and keep all of its fruits because not all of those fruits are derived from their own labor, but a portion derived from the privilege of monopoly over landTherefore, the state should gauge how valuable the land is and then rent it out to capital and labor minus capital improvement, that way, land rent is going to the state and not private coffers.
>>22560897Remember that during his time the Irish famine had just recently happened. Irish peasants grew perfectly enough food to feed themselves and their neighbors but their landlords demanded their rent, even though they did nothing to deserve it. Leading to starvation
>>22560935Why didn't the micks just stop paying their rent?
I can't really tell my iambs from my dactylls or trochees.Frankly I'm still not sure why it matters. Why not just stress what comes naturally? Why would a poet choose one meter over another, why stick to one meter, idk it just never truly made sense to me, even after all the latin and Shakespeare I've read.
>>22559330I think I can heat Iambs in that the way you stress it…
>>22559262>Why not just stress what comes naturally?I think this is the secret to all good poets, that following a rigid metre doesn't matter if you can innately understand how it works without needing to actually scan it. Of course, the best way is to follow a single metre because it just sounds better that way, but it can also work without, as TS Eliot and his kind proved.
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>>22559262>I'm still not sure why it matters.Because it sounds good. It has force and musicality. It makes every individual line feel animated with the momentum of the whole. Not sure why I even need to explain this one. If you've ever read amateur (metred) poetry that doesn't scan, you'll know how jarring, clunky and limp it is.>Why not just stress what comes naturally? You *are* supposed to stress what comes naturally. That's the poet's test of skill: to choose words and arrange them so that their natural stresses align with the scheme of the metre.>why stick to one meterAnother reason, apart from it sounding good, is that constraints help creativity. When you're trying to construct a line in a way that fits the metre, you'll come up with ideas, images and conceits that you wouldn't have if you just went for the first wording that occurred to you.Basically, I think you're looking at things the wrong way round. If you imagine the poet as wanting to express an idea, and then choosing to express it in metred verse for X, Y or Z reason, then the metre will always seem an arbitrary imposition. If you instead imagine the poet starting from a realisation of the power of metred verse, and then seeing how wittily, subtly, affectingly, evocatively they can use the form, you'll probably be closer to how people actually wrote.
>>22560328I agree with this anon. Metered work is just more fun to read. Meter brings writing closer to music. Music has incredible effect on us, as an ordered pattern of sounds, and no one can deny it's power. Poetry taps into music in that way through ordering lines by the stresses of words (Because English is accentual).>>22559262What kind of poems have you read? Is it that you're reading the stresses wrong or that you can't detect when lines are metrically regular?
is this at all good or should I just move on to another profession?Is there underlying literary ability here?
This is MFA slop, where when you present it to your sycophantic classmates you "put it in context" by saying how you think we ignore the REAL modern day poetry that is rap and hip-hop. So you wrote this poem pay homage to rap and hip-hop's poetical influences that go ignored by academia. They all the toadies start ooohing and aaaaahing saying things like, "Oh my God! I totally agree! We should be studying Tupac, Snoop Dogg, and Eazy-E instead of T.S. Eliot, Walt Whitman, and Yeats."Now that's out of the way, your poem sucks because of the word aesthetic. It fucks everything up. It fucks up the flow and it fucks up the internal rhyme. You're probably ESL and don't know how to pronounce aesthetic. But let's say you do know how to pronounce aesthetic. I bet you'll come up with some smarmy MFA justification that it was on purpose, that it is supposed to fuck the flow up. Because that reflect my "nightmare" theme! Aesthetics is the thing that goes "bump in the night"! It's what makes the smooth, enticing dream turn into a nightmare!Go fuck yourself, you 18-year old twat.>inb4 I'm not 18You write like one (not a compliment).
>>22560543>>22560852damn, OP, whatever I was going to say is irrelevant after you got murdered like thatI do agree with most of what anon is saying (except the ESL part) and even if none of it is true you have to know that it does come across as if you're tryharding on an MFA assignmentif you want more concrete critique - it's a barrage of disco vaporwave "imagery" which sweeps the reader away as there's nothing to root him to the core of the poem maybe that was the effect you were hoping for but then the entire poem is reduced to an object which performs this one single act of ejecting the reader out of the field with its tempo (and what you would call "aesthetics") and that makes it flat and uninteresting after the first read just like a glittering christmas bauble is only exciting if you don't look at it too close and realize the little chink slave made it lopsided and overglitteredkeep writing but go for depth
>>22560852The OP's poem was very bad but your post is immeasurably worse. The two points of substance you make aren't even correct: the poem is way closer to the Beats (or Rimbaud, as someone said) than to anything rap-inspired, and there's not even a strong rhythm or rhyme scheme for 'aesthetic' to disrupt.
>>22560543its modern for sure, and vivid, keep going
>>22560963>doesn't understand that assonance with t's in that line that aesthetics breaksYou're hopelessly lost. I bet you thought you were smart because you know a Rimbaud poem in translation.
Have there ever been any Catholic idealists, or is christian idealism mostly a prot thing?
>>22557461This looks like me.
>>22559726Post your sweet mexicana body
>>22559722Aquinas is the realist philosopher. To the point he can be used as the reference from which to define the term with both clarity and richness of content, instead of endless talmudic semantic games that no one has agreed on for centuries. >>22557884>Do these prot evangelicals live in your head rent free or something? Piss off. Billy Graham has been dead for yearsTo be fair he's American (non mutts wouldn't even think about them). They have a humiliating reminder carved into their bodies.
>>22560434Realism is idealism. Forms can only exist in mind. Ties it all together.
>>22559525>loves latinas>posts mesoamerican
I have seventeen in my library,i read it like 12 years ago and was wondering if i should read it again.The only thing i remember is that the main character came on the bathroom floor and was afraid his sister might get pregnant if she fell pussy first on it.
>>22560911Google translate-tier translation. No thanks.
>>22560911thanks.>>22560916how do you know ? you read it in japanese ?
>>22560916Never said it was pretty. We're not spoilt for choice when it comes to translations of highly controversial Japanese lit.
>>22560958>oe>controversial Lol
>>22560969Yeah look up its publication history. Being critical of the Uyoku dantai in the '60s was grossly taboo. Oe and his publishers were so overwhelmed by far-right and yakuza death threats/harassment, and refrained from publishing it. Oe was still only in his mid twenties then and not yet internationally renowned. To this day it's not a book people want to burn their hands on too much.
On par with Alice in Wonderland, The Hobbit and Infinite Jest.
>>22560811literally a magic textbook?
>>22560802>its not thought out, and it has no real philosophy because there is no theme other than "be a good guy"this is also false. besides its depiction of the dangers of meddling with natural law, it also argues that children almost always pay for the crimes of their parents, and also civilization is worth maintaining and reproducing, even if it has a tendency to go off the rails and become totalitarian bc of complacence and apathy
>>22560802Oh look, its another shitposting retard who knows more about Rowling's dumbass post-series personal twitter hot-take theories than anything she ever explicitly wrote about in the books themselves. How's /tv/ these days?
>>22559737>On par with Alice in Wonderland, The Hobbit and Infinite Jest.Kek. Funny bait
>>22559759there is a difference between getting more in touch with your innocents and infantalization. If anything, I see way more people being infantile in character, but adult in their rabid pessimism.The worst of both worlds.
What's some good cyberpunk lit? Preferably with a lot of action, like the tabletop and video games. Nothing hard science. I like character dramas and romance.
>>22553243Cyberpunk was born and died with Neuromancer, do not bother with the rest.
>>22560723Back to r/gatekeeping with you, fun vampire.
>>22556856Nah Lot49 did
>>22559821relax frank. I read the first pages yesterday on instagram/glazedneon and it's weird but funny.
>>22560177this is cope for people with stunted imagination due to watching nothing but movies and tv shows. anything a studio can do, your brain can do better. just dont be an idiot.
Post some of your favorite history reads, preferably ones that are actually well written and not just dry dusty old tomes.https://archive.org/details/americanscolonia00boor
>>22554123No, we read modern American history too
Modern Times
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>>22542798>BoorstinDropped
>>22546773>And in november the last book in Jonathan sumption's Hunfred Years War series will be outThats so awesome,I had always kept an eye on news about the final book for many years after I had read the previous ones, and at one point given up, as there had been no information about any progress for so long
Jesus. He is the proper king. He knows the free. If your name is not in the book of life you are not free. Amen.
>>22559599How are people in hell free...?Once free always free my brother
>>22559599I will tear your heart out and mount your skin on my deskThen I shall make you out of stew for your supernatural crimes. After all, it is I who is dead yet still living, yet your God Jesus is of the living but dead.
>>22559376based.
>>22559552The apple of life. Freedom. I feel it brothers. I just need to get shot at for fucking a prostitute. I am not afraid of death twice over, perhaps finitude and immortal pain. Pain loses all meaning and so does divine judgment when it doesn't hurt and then the truth will speak
>>22559376Fuck off Ilya, no one likes your shitty sameface OCs.
Military history edition
>>22560241But I want to add extremely based for the DH Lawrence and Mysteries
>having space on your shelves for something other than booksWEAK
>>22556470Thank you.>>22558032I read the entire series 5-6 times as a kid, but my childhood copies are long gone and I've never really cared to replace them. Not a series I'm as fond of as an adult. >>22558184Thanks. Right now I'm reading through the Carson Napier/Amtor series by Edgar Rice Burroughs. They are pretty light reads, but I'm enjoying them, so I am trying to take my time with them. (pic related)>>22559339Most of the time my room smells like cinnamon or weed. It could be worse. >>22559527Comfy. I've always liked having knick-knacks on my shelves.
>>22541751Its not much but its mine.
>>22560882What is the set of five leatherbounds? Can't read the spines.
What the fuck was he talking about?
>>22560452he was one of the many buyers-in to the insane notion that the lumpen servile caste of a state borrows some of the greatness from the great men who happened to have been born in those states, which is a grievous contradiction to what he claims to believe in his books.
>>22560452Harry Potter for incels
>>22560602Kill yourself tranny faggot. YWNBAW.
>>22560731He's not wrong
>>22560731Triggered!
how are you going to put the absolute gold that is Quentin and Jasons chapters inbetween retarded ramblings and the most milquetoast final chapter which spends half its content following around some random darkie. can you imagine reading this shit without the appendix?
>>22559528Eh? Do you mean the chapter at the end with the maid? I'm pretty sure this was part of the original book
>>22557930I liked it more in Absalom, Absalom
>>22559574>>22560505https://drc.usask.ca/projects/faulkner/moved/main/appendix/index.html
>>22560743Absalom Absalom is like someone drunkenly typing in caps lock some weird shit that went on in his home town and doesnt care if you're listening at all
>>22560505Nah the appendix was written long after and doesn't seem to be included in most editions of the book which is a shame imo.
Hueanon here, I was reading a mandatory book for an upcoming entrance exam for a local university and the content in it is horrible. The book is filled with basically a bunch of stories idealizing the negro way of living: Prostitution, rape, killing, sodomy and pedophilia (which I think the author 100% fingered herself for) in the negrosphere as well as brutally killing characters for emotionbaiting and baking it into a verse. I'm an old head (20) and I can see the absolute horrid shit this book is but imagine what this may do to kids as old as 15 that need to read this heresy in our already hyper-sexualized society. Imagine being a father and creating your kid with good values and love and immediately forcefully exposing them to Sodom and Gomorrah.
>>22559375She's jewish.
>>22559072Kill yourself tranny faggot. YWNBAW.
>>22559054>I'm an old head (20)
>>22559786Are zoomers really calling anyone over 12 years as "old"? I'm starting to see a stark resemblance between zoomer posters and Aussies.
>>22559157Wrong. Euclides da Cunha‘s Os Sertoes is great. Don‘t be so fucking self-deprecating. It‘s pathetic. >t. German
What are some really funny books?
I enjoyed The Sellout, thanks to the anon who recommended it a few years back. Hard to find modern media focusing on race that doesn't make me want to vomit.
Catch 22Audibly chuckling tier
Candide
>>22559842American Psycho is the only one that has made me laugh out loud like a retard
>>22560853Only book I have ever jerked off to.
