[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip / qa] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Settings Mobile Home
/lit/ - Literature

4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.

08/21/20New boards added: /vrpg/, /vmg/, /vst/ and /vm/
05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
[Hide] [Show All]

[Advertise on 4chan]

[Catalog] [Archive]

File: shotgunearnie.jpg (7 KB, 200x252)
7 KB
Ernest Hemingway described Wyndham Lewis as having "The Eyes of an unsuccessful rapist". How do you think he would describe yours?
23 replies and 3 images omitted. Click here to view.
Maybe I’m >>21809505
and people definitely notice them. Some say they’re beautiful. Others that they’re children of the corn eyes
Those are normal eyes anon. It’s unusual to have whites showing above or below the iris.
He is entirely correct in nearly everything he says.
The problem is not in Lewis, but in the state of literature itself. Humanity is just not that good of a species for writing literature. Maybe the angels and devils, if they existed, should write it for us instead.

>better, more successful artists
Stein? Hemingway? Sartre? Mondrian?
All worse than Lewis.
I agree his criticism of Pound is too musically insensitive, which also applies at some level to his criticism of Stein, so he did have faults.
He always looked like he was on the verge of tears or had just been done with them. His dirty coke bottle lenses magnified his eyes and he had the look of a sick calf.
Stein and Hemingway are way better than Lewis.


Certainly one of the more bewildering moments in cinematic history, thought one of our resident lotr nerds could confirm or deny its presende in the book.
6 replies omitted. Click here to view.
I can’t tell if you guys are being ironic or if you actually think the video is serious
Yeah it really reminds me of the people taking shots lol
A rather inappropriate, rude and premature thing to say given the circumstances. It seems Theoden has respect for the recently deceased and is only ever concerned with filling his tummy.
no respect.
No. The book version has more to it. It's:

File: 1676467800115612.png (1007 KB, 698x900)
1007 KB
1007 KB PNG
hecking say it

prev >>21795437
308 replies and 33 images omitted. Click here to view.
I’ve been doing this childhood, what am I?
>lighting a cigarette near a gas station
you’re reckless. in your dream, anyway.
Yes, I might be fucked. But I am not fucked until all is said and done, and before I did anything to fix it. I still have a few hours. I'm going to do it and none of these motherfuckers will have any leverage on me. I will fight until I fucking die.
>implying Plato isn't fanfiction
Gotta say the janny might be right on this one even if he's doing it for free. See if you get permabanned for Milton or Dante.

So what makes someone’s taste in literature good? Is it just liking the same books or writers as yourself? More niche books? A eclectic variety? If you had to describe your taste in literature, what would you say?
52 replies and 2 images omitted. Click here to view.
By 25 I had read thousands of books. We didn't have cable TV, nor high-speed internet until I left home. Reading, or playing ADND or daggerfall, was what people did in those days. Indeed, precisely because I played games like daggerfall, lucasarts adventures, and fallout I sought a variety of books to enrich my experience. Reading classics helped me develop an imagination and led to my career as a scholar. Now, in my thirties, I've also published works that indicate I've read thousands of books. I'm not adding the hundreds of trivialiteratur sorts either.
I had read hundreds of classics and sci Fi fantasy by the end of high school. In fifth grade alone I read every published star wars book and several classics.
The point is I doubt either of them came close to 500+
I agree that you need to read hundreds and thousands of books to be a critic. I just don't think you need to be a good critic to be a good writer. Borges was a critic (as well as a writer of course) and he knew this; which is why he said that.
Good taste is the ability to generate perspective and thought that's pretty much it. Someone could read almost entirely dogshit but If it provides them with a unique and useful understanding of the world then they have good taste. A man who reads obscure humor novels and is able to tell really good jokes and form a good personality has good taste, someone who reads far and wide in high lit but can't do anything but regurgitate poor criticism has bad taste.

File: file.png (359 KB, 655x527)
359 KB
359 KB PNG
There should be a website where you can find playlists to use as soundtracks while reading specific books
19 replies and 4 images omitted. Click here to view.
If you're reading an even halfway decent book that's just not fucking possible. Even if not that, its still pretty much impossible. Trust me, I've tried.

As a story evolves the music must as well or else it becomes dissonant. And not only would you have to create a playlist that generally fits the overall atmosphere and themes of the story, but that would also have to evolve at the same pace as the scene changes and then fit said scene changes on top of that.

Not only an unbelievably daunting task, but downright impossible considering people have different reading speeds. You'd have to read a story many many times to create a Playlist that's relatively close to encapsulating the story itself. And even then, if you managed to achieve that, it would only likely work for you and a very small percentage of other people that would just so happen to share your reading speed.

Sounds like you might be interested in opera. Good luck. Even modern opera tends to stay quite traditional. It's already so fucking niche in modernity for being a complex and drawn out medium (a short attention span issue), that finding even modernized opera still discovers it as niche to a genre and stagnant overall in terms of musical evolution.

Life seems short but it's actually quite long. Learn to write music and literature. Create a modern opera. Die in obscurity and perhaps if humanity survives long enough scholars and contrarians down the road can uncover your works and bring them into praise. My main point here?

Don't do it to be known for it. Do it because you need it to be done. Because you want it so badly at a time where you just so happen to be the one who needs to create it. The true burden of the artist.
or play ambient music from video games which was designed to be non-intrusive
Not true. You're still creating an atmosphere. Even a "non-intrusive ambient" (whatever that is in your mind) track creates an atmosphere. That's what music does. And if the scene in a book becomes counter to the atmosphere being perpetuated by the ambient track it becomes dissonant and weakens immersion. Or if the scene does manage to embody the atmosphere of the music, but then changes, it completely jars immersion and can make either listening to the music or reading (really the dissonant combination of the two) more exhausting and distracting than if only doing one of them alone.
Reading should be done in silence. If you want music accompanied with novels there are radio dramas that are just audio books but with different voices for the characters and music. Pretty much a movie but without the visuals.
I just want to contribute by saying that reading The Road while listening to A# F# ∞ is actually incredible, and I'm usually >>21809911 this kind of anon.

It tolls for thee!

File: ernest-hemingway.jpg (58 KB, 600x600)
58 KB
Hemingway had the eyes of the successfully raped.
File: hemingway 1916.jpg (27 KB, 786x1000)
27 KB
He had seen a lot of stuff as a journalist and partisan. The atrocities in For Whom the Bell Tolls were based on his own experiences
File: HemingwayPBSDoc_Handout.jpg (218 KB, 1920x1080)
218 KB
218 KB JPG

>he wants to write another "war is hell" book
How original
80 replies and 11 images omitted. Click here to view.
>sign up for the military in early 20s
>now scared of fireworks and sudden movements
many such cases
Redditroons and so forth only "support" Ukraine insofar as they can do it from the comfort of their own basements. They cheer on the war because they don't even feel it in their wallets. The anti-Russian alliance enjoys such a degree of material and economic superiority that it can punch out Putin's sorry excuse of an army with barely more than cold-war leftovers and its regular peacetime defense budget. If the war actually impacted the quality of life in the west and led to real shortages, you'd have those same redditors angrily demanding peace talks.
Join the Army at 18
deploy to Afghanistan 5 times and stack bodies, experience combat.(you'll NEVER understand literature like I do pseud.)
engineering degree
3000 a month for PTSD in perpetuity

Probably feels really good actually. Have you ever won a fight or humiliated somebody who sucked? Almost everyone sucks in the middle east. And making their head pop must be orders of magnitude more fun and hilarious
I don't think so. They might blubber once the reality of war blows up in their face, but I think they'd genuinely fight to preserve their LGBTQ+ buttfucking alliance.

File: 1663634555465074.jpg (92 KB, 948x533)
92 KB
Why are women so obsessed with the Handmaid's tale? And why did it take several decades to get to this point when society today is further removed from the scenario it describes than ever before?
21 replies and 3 images omitted. Click here to view.
The story doesn't even begin to make a slight sliver of a fraction of an atom of sense. It's utter absurdity and the only thing that makes it make sense is that it was shat out by a computer or written by an alien who never spent a day on earth.
>why are people obsessed with the new thing on the TV?
It's like that "Black Future" fetish book that gets posted here sometimes, but for women.
Based Iran making mutt women seethe even though they have nothing to do with Iran
File: 1651105157360445.jpg (64 KB, 484x755)
64 KB
That "new" thing on the TV is already six years old and it's not even the first adaptation of the book. But nobody cared about it back in the 90's.

Nietzsche is literally the most misunderstood author of all time.

"God is dead" has frequently been misconstrued as a declaration of atheism or an outright rejection of religious beliefs, when it was actually a critique of the diminishing role of traditional religious values in society, and an invitation to explore new perspectives on morality and human potential. The Übermensch is often mistakenly perceived as a promotion of a superior race or an endorsement of a master-slave mentality, when in reality, the Übermensch represents the aspiration to transcend the limitations of human nature and the constraints of conventional morality, paving the way for self-actualization and the realization of one's fullest potential. The Will to Power is frequently interpreted as a thirst for domination and control, even though Nietzsche's true intention was to emphasize the inherent drive within individuals to manifest their unique potential and become the best versions of themselves. It is not about exercising power over others, but rather about harnessing the power within oneself to overcome obstacles and achieve personal growth. Many mistakenly associate Nietzsche with nihilism, which he never championed and simply pointed out the great crisis of meaning caused by the decline of religious values. Instead, like I've already explained, he proposed that individuals could create their own values and meaning, overcoming the void left by the erosion of traditional beliefs. Nietzsche's concept of eternal recurrence is often misconstrued as a metaphysical claim, when it was simply a thought experiment meant to inspire individuals to lead lives of passion and authenticity, as if they were to live the same life over and over again.

How can so many people misunderstand this great man to such a comical extent?
47 replies and 4 images omitted. Click here to view.
>Machismo Stoicism (individual) = Ubermensch = Good
>Machismo Stoicism (group) = Fascism = Bad
Nietzschefags don't want to confront this.
This, and I would only add one thing, that it’s a shame that Nietzche himself was not a homosexual, because his “philosophy” lends itself quite easily and readily to a most deranged kind of homosexuality.
>the 4 great errors
That's the part where he denies the existence of human will (not free will but he does that too). And then implies it's evil to judge and punish people and meanders something about innocencr. Very gay stuff
I know N wasn't very well-read in philosophy but does anyone wonder whether he would be considered mechanist?
What did he really mean by all this “doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” shit? Am I really becoming stronger by putting up with all this nonsense and cunts who have power over me right now? Because it really sucks.
It's just an aphorism. I think Carlyle, whom Nietzsche hated with a passion, said it better:
>Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak.

File: Legod.jpg (250 KB, 960x742)
250 KB
250 KB JPG
>Hurr Durr Le God is Le Dead
Why does anyone take this Harley Davidson moustache guy seriously?
3 replies omitted. Click here to view.
More applicable philosophy
The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.”
IF you got "Hurr Durr Le God is Le Dead" from the above, you are a mid-wit and will never be anything else.
>IF you got "Hurr Durr Le God is Le Dead" from the above, you are a mid-wit and will never be anything else.
What else was there to get except that God is dead? Enlighten us of enlightener of the eternal darkness that is the midwittery
Thither and hither and yon doth the nihil snapeth away thy slave morality.

Is there a book that summarizes the history of literature? All the way from Mesopotamia to the United States?
JM Cohen - History of Western Literature
W Cohen - History of European Literature
The Literature Book: Big Ideas Simply Explained (yes it looks ridiculous but it should be decent)
There isn't many books of this sort in English. What you'll find an abundance of are books about particular national traditions, or specific genres or smaller time frames.
In other languages, see e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoche_(Literatur), http://feb-web.ru/feb/ivl/default.asp, etc.
Are these books good?
Yes, and totally unbiased I’m sure
You can read the first one on archive.org, see for yourself. They're all decent enough, as far as I've seen, but as I said books on smaller cultural and temporal frames are more common and will obviously be better by the virtue of having more space to go into details.

For me, it’s Journey to the end of the night
4 replies omitted. Click here to view.
The book of ebenezer le page
Last summer in the city. I'm literally a med that moved to Rome in order to make something of myself.

Funny you mention journey to the end of the night though. Felt like he was literally me frfr too.
The Collector
Keep the Aspidistra Flying by George Orwell - most of the novel is a failed writer’s incel-tier seething about how girls won’t touch him because he doesn’t buy into the bourgeois capitalist order and strive for money and material goods, punctuated with his fantasies of society collapsing into war. On par with Celine in terms of straight vitriol. Very redpilled about women, until the contrived deus ex machina ending.

Confederacy of Dunces ofc
Anything by Houellebecq
The Diaries of Casanova

What should I read in preparation for becoming a mother?
22 replies and 6 images omitted. Click here to view.
le wokisme propaganda
File: 71UJUPccD9L.jpg (155 KB, 1297x1959)
155 KB
155 KB JPG
fuck you
couldnt keep your legs closed eh slut?

I’ve been curious about virtue ethics for a while, but I’m obviously not an industrious person if I come to 4chan. How can I better that with reading? I believe Benjamin Franklin said a model citizen needs to read but for the betterment of themselves and the community, rather than for idling. Which books would be best for this?
151 replies and 10 images omitted. Click here to view.
If i had that type of work ethic i'd go ahead and hop on a shrimp boat. I can live like that for a month or two but get burnt out.
You could try truck driving, but you don't have 4 day blocks. However, you're just driving.
That's not true. You're saying this to make the prospect of 4 10 hour days more bearable when we both know it's so bad might as well put up with the rest of it.
>4 10 hour work days are so bad... you might as well put up with 7 10 hour work days
What's so bad about it? I just want to have three straight days off of my regular job to either relax or work on my side hustles. Last time i was worked 70 hour work weeks i just stopped going in and slept for a few days.

respectable idea, sitting that long would make me go insane though
That's a (You) problem

[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.