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I’d seen this posted on 4chan for years but just assumed it was a bunch of horseshit. an anon here linked me to some of Carrier’s lectures and I am actually really enjoying them and find his work compelling.

Discuss Jesus mythicism
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>>14006865
what about Robert M Price?
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>>14003384
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>>14003384
Are you aware of just how many individuals by the name “Jesus” Josephus mentions?
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>>14010402
How many?
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>>14009694
>a lot of history we think we know is obviously manipulated through forgeries and redactions and god knows what else
Modern historians have ways of identifying interpolations and forgeries. Are the methods 100%, no, but assuming everything is fake until proven otherwise would be stupid.
>here are billions of Muslims in the world are they right?
I don't think all their beliefs are right, but that doesn't mean everything they say about Muhammad was fiction, and if I am studying Muslims then I certainly would be concerned with what they believed and when.
>the gospels are a product of the second century.
There were certainly second century additions but with the exception of John I don't see this as a mainstream view.
>just admit that you WANT mark to be written in 70. that’s all this is.
Actually I would be more satisfied with a later date like the 80's but most Historians date it to about the time shortly after the fall of the Temple so I go with that.
>>14010402
Lots of them since it was a common name, but since he uses names and events that are also mentioned in Acts then its safe to assume he is talking about the same people.
>>14010235
Ill have to look into some of his writing or lectures. Again, don't see any reason not to consider him a scholar seeing as he has done it professionally for decades.
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>>14010573
much more reasonable of a response than I expected

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>The countries in europe where protestanism hit the hardest are the most atheist whereas catholic european countries still have a strong christian presence.
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>>14010353
>t. has never been to a Christian nation
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>>14010310
>>the protestant parts of europe are significantly wealthier and better governed than the catholic parts
exactly the opposite but ok
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>>14010353
>Poland is basically the average Catholic nation, and not an outlier that even other Catholic nations find extreme
lol
lmao
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>>14010200
You talking about the Marshall Plan?
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>>14010330
What's this so-called "gap" referring to? The church was persecuted by Catholicism and others for a long time, from the 4th century down to the reformation era, and then by various Protestant paedobaptist groups.

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>qing china's best artworks were produced by one italian man
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kys
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>>14007563
Manchus.
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>>14010684
The Manchus enslaved your ancestors.
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>>14008374
Not falling for your bug b8 china still isn't interesting
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>>14010817
get cancer

Why don't they just threaten to nuke the world to preserve their government? They could've survived if they had balls to do that. It worked for Cuba and North Korea.
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>>14009445
What do you expect of white people living in Africa?
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Killing foreigners wouldn't have saved them and a lot of their foreign policy was based on propping up client states on their borders that denied the ANC sanctuary.

The problem is that the people causing problems for them were the same ones their lifestyle depended on, that's a problem you can't kill your way out of. (At least in modern times with modern weaponry, was different in the middle ages)
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>>14008690
Wtf? China is NazBol?
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>>14008658
Cuba and North Korea were backed by major powers unlike South Africa. Whenever they were pushed their powerful friends pushed back, people learned to stay away. South Africa was abandoned, probably because there wasnt any reason to keep it around unlike Korea and Cuba which were boarding on enemy territory.
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You can't run a state forever when you disenfranchise 80% of the population. NK survives because it's homogeneous.

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>drinking from silver pitchers is forbidden despite anti-bacterial effects
>only Allah's power holds birds up
>mountains are pegs upon the ground to prevent it from shaking
>washing yourself from a well with dead dogs and menstrual rags is OK since nothing makes water impure
>fever is caused by the heat of hellfire
>babies cry because they're touched by Satan upon birth
>embryology copy-pasted from Galen
>qiraat and Uthman's tampering invalidating perfect preservation
>Sura Al-Nurain and Sura Al-Wilayat (even if considered fake it fulfills the "bring like it" challenge)
>called "Most Merciful" yet has cutting off the hand of the thief is a permanent punishment for a small sin instead of working to repay the stolen fortune, not even mentioning stoning of adulterers and leaving the children of the people killed as orphans (no mercy for them?)
>surprise Sharia violation of Muhammad by asking Ali to kill Maria the Copt for zina without producing the required witnesses
>Allah hates the unbelievers but he created them and no one wills unless Allah permits him = there is not only no free will, but also Allah caused himself a negative emotion thus "harming himself" - his creation is imperfect
>vagus nerve and crooked-/wisdom-teeth completely discrediting creationism and "perfect creation"
>circumcision was prescribed for the jews yet all of mankind should practice it even though it permanently disfigures Allah's perfect creation - but no tattoos bro
>eternal hellfire for being a "fool of unbelief"

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>>14010757
U are Quranist? Literally worse than a kaffir
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>>14010731
You forgot about the millions of Gug and Magog. err...Yājūj and Mājūj living underground
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>>14010781
sauce me up kuffaar
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>>14010787
>Two chapters of the Quran, Al Kahf and Al-Anbiya, discuss Gog and Magog. In the Quran Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) are suppressed by Dhul-Qarnayn "the two-horned one. Dhul-Qarnayn, having journeyed to the ends of the world, meets "a people who scarcely understood a word" who seek his help in building a barrier that will separate them from the people of Yajuj and Majuj who "do great mischief on earth". He agrees to build it for them, but warns that when the time comes (Last Age), Allah will remove the barrier.

>Then he travelled a ˹different˺ course
>until he reached the rising ˹point˺ of the sun. He found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no shelter from it.
>So it was. And We truly had full knowledge of him.
>Then he travelled a ˹third˺ course
>until he reached ˹a pass˺ between two mountains. He found in front of them a people who could hardly understand ˹his˺ language.
>until he reached ˹a pass˺ between two mountains. He found in front of them a people who could hardly understand ˹his˺ language.
>They pleaded, “O Ⱬul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute, provided that you build a wall between us and them?”
>He responded, “What my Lord has provided for me is far better. But assist me with resources, and I will build a barrier between you and them.
>Bring me blocks of iron!” Then, when he had filled up ˹the gap˺ between the two mountains, he ordered, “Blow!” When the iron became red hot, he said, “Bring me molten copper to pour over it.”
>And so the enemies could neither scale nor tunnel through it.
>He declared, “This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will level it to the ground. And my Lord’s promise is ever true.”
>On that Day, We will let them surge ˹like waves˺ over one another. Later, the Trumpet will be blown, and We will gather all ˹people˺ together.

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>>14010820
I pasted a verse twice, but you get the idea

What were his views besides slavery?
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>>14010636
The confederacy also had a national bank and half those other things
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>>14010638
So?
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>>14010636
Pro-Liberia
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>>14010786
>>pro-colonization
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>>14010636
Damn, bring back the homestead act.

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>me before talking to american evangelicals (clueless)
Well at least they still believe in Jesus ahaha that's all that matters
>me after talking to american evangelicals
Heretics aren't Christian.
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>>14010257
I will check back later to see if you have any arguments to support your delusional 16th/17th century LARP.
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>>14010290
My Lord commanded me not to throw pearls before swine.
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>>14010297
>My Lord commanded me not to throw pearls before swine.
This is the precise reason why I will never, under any circumstance, refer to you people as "Christians." You are further away from God, more inclined towards hell, than Muslims.
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>>14010301
Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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>>14010226
>Even in the Bible it talks about heresies, which is something that is also brought up countless times from the early Christians. Why is this?
Simple, because the road that leads to destruction is broad. Unsaved people will struggle to grasp anything that is of the Lord since they refuse to obey the truth. To them it all seems like foolishness. Paul even mentions this very thing in 1 Corinthians 2:13-14. So they just start making stuff up and trying to get a cult together, not realizing how obvious it is that they're wrong to anyone that's saved.

>Educate yourself about antiquity.
Yes, you realize the Bible was written in antiquity, anon?

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>Of course the problem of Vietnam especially thorny for the American man who is registered or is subject to registration for conscription. Unlike the idle women who oppose the war, the American man must put himself at hazard either on the field of battle or by becoming a fugitive from the law. To him I say: enlist now. If he has the means he should seek to enter officer training, but above all else he should enlist and ready himself for combat.
>The war will proceed with or without him, but if, as we are assured by our press, it is an unjust war, the injustice can be softened, the national mistake redeemed only by the presence of just men on the field of action. He may vote for peace, write for peace, beg for peace from his foxhole just as well as he can from his university dormitory, but only in combat can he tend to his enemy's wounds, direct his fires to minimize the cost to civilians, and counsel those around him or ideally those in his command to act with honor. God is with these men, though he may be with their enemy as well. The 'dodger' of the draft has no moral standing, as he has resigned from the basic duty of his manhood - to fight - and is content to let men he does not know die and kill in his stead.
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>>14004279
>do what I tell you or your a gay pussy
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ok
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>>14005748
The measure of you making small 'differences'.
You listed some individualistic moments of good soldiers stopping atrocities rather than any evidence of systemic changes.
The same slight effectiveness could be claimed for someone that protests on the homefront and seeks organizational or political power in doing so.
If the measure is the small gains you can make towards peace and honor, then its the same between both.
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>>14009492
"Systemic" changes are introduced by the actions of people. You said that it is impossible to affect the front - I pointed out that that is wrong. If you want ethics in war, then go be ethical in the war. Simple as. Staying at home and complaining about ethics without having to actually do anything about it is easy.
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>>14009715
And if you want no war at all?
No one has ever ended a war by fighting on the front.
The changes made are small in scope within the grander view of the conflict. Trying to end it, as meek as you may be, does more than being a part of the machine and killing the enemy in a kind way.

I wanna listen to a history podcast on the Rothschilds and all the big things they did
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>>14010697
They lent money to people. Oh the horror.
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>>14010744
Palestine?

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Why didn't he an hero after losing the war like Hitler did?
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>>14010355
Why the moustache? That's the real question here
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>>14010387
>Because for royals, war is a pastime where proles fight to acquire more land and resources.
Except for the thousands of years where royals fought at the front of their army and then later still acted as generals and commanders. How are you this dumb.
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>>14010460
It was to distract people from his weird short arm
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>>14010558
I was obviously talking about post industrial Europe in the context of WW1 dumbass
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>>14010678
Tell me what land and resources did the British aquire in Europe after WWI?

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What are some pre-industrial examples of the low classes resenting against the elite and rebeling against tem?
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>>14010490
Spartacus revolt
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>>14010521
Oriental history is welcome.
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This renders the concept of class war meaningless as there were no cops before the 20th century. Warfare back then was just bureaucracy and confusion.
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>>14010576
Wtf? Karl marx was wrong on a lot of things. 99 percent of everything he said was bullshit. But he was right about history being filled with class warfare. The rich constantly undermining and fucking over the poor.
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>>14010742
> The rich constantly undermining and fucking over the poor.
You mean the chudbased white tribes constantly shitting on the dumbass black and yellow tribes, mhmhm, am I right folks?

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>conquers Paris

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I love Christ and I love my pagan ancestors. The good ones among them would've been saved with the harrowing of Hades.
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>>14009791
Why is it that neopagans can never answer a single question. They can only attack Christians, and poorly at that. It's almost like they have no solid doctrine or beliefs and have to rely on avoiding this fact by going on the offensive at all times.
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>>14010617
Critical theory involves constant criticism but it never involves proposing what the truth actually is.
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>>14009131
Imagine for a momment if /his/ was like OP, shit son, I salute you OP, you're a pretty cool guy.
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>>14009131
It's actually pretty ridiculous that he would go down there to show everyone that he is the way, when it would be obvious to everyone that it's true, and then they could just repent. But everyone born after that just has to believe some book wasn't made up by some dudes, or they go get tortured forever.

How do I fill out a complaint form?
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>>14009131
Jesus didn't exist. He's just a ridiculous made up magic jew.

Okay. The New Testament is sex negative and Paul only ever permits it between a husband and wife if they cannot control themselves.

The LGBT movement is essentially sex positive. They believe people should have sex with whoever and however they please.

So how do LGBT Christians reconcile this? Paul says to marry if you can’t control yourself, but his instruction also literally specifies that to avoid any ‘sexual immorality’ that each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. This is the only time in the New Testament where sex is permitted as being okay.

> “Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.” I Corinthians 7:2
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>>14008865
>sex negative
everyone needs to reject that term entirely. it's a buzzword phrase used to frame someone's view in a dishonest way. being against adultery is not a negative view of sex. there is nothing wrong with sex within marriage for the purpose of bringing forth new life
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>>14008888
holy redditspacing batman
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>>14008865
To be fair he was only saying this about sexual relations between men and women. The Bible is silent on men having sex with men, etc. At least outside the practice of pagan worship ritual. Barring that, there's no rules against constant gay sex. Same with masturbating.
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>>14009554
Worshipping the God-man*
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>>14008865
>>So how do LGBT Christians reconcile this
they ignore things they don't like

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/suspect-who-fatally-struck-republican-extremist-teen-not-placed-under-house-arrest-curfew/
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>>14010679
You can occasionally get intelligent discussion on /news/ though it skews somewhat liberal.
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>>14010628
Mao banned abortion.
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>>14010726
I only knew Ceausescu was because there was a famous movie in the Criterion collection about it.
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>be pro-life
>die

the worst thing about it was the hypocrisy
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>>14010733
You’re like the one funny anon here


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