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I’d seen this posted on 4chan for years but just assumed it was a bunch of horseshit. an anon here linked me to some of Carrier’s lectures and I am actually really enjoying them and find his work compelling.

Discuss Jesus mythicism
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>>14005045
>I regard Jesus mythicists in the same level as flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, 9/11 truthers, Qanon fanatics and holocaust deniers.
>I'm an atheist, by the way
whoa bro, you’re like, so enlightened and way smarter than the rest of us. fuck man I’m pretty blown away right now…have you gone over to reddit.com and told the plebs over there how dynamically glorious your brilliance is?
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>>14006865
what about Robert M Price?
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>>14003384
Are you aware of just how many individuals by the name “Jesus” Josephus mentions?
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>>14010402
How many?
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>>14009694
>a lot of history we think we know is obviously manipulated through forgeries and redactions and god knows what else
Modern historians have ways of identifying interpolations and forgeries. Are the methods 100%, no, but assuming everything is fake until proven otherwise would be stupid.
>here are billions of Muslims in the world are they right?
I don't think all their beliefs are right, but that doesn't mean everything they say about Muhammad was fiction, and if I am studying Muslims then I certainly would be concerned with what they believed and when.
>the gospels are a product of the second century.
There were certainly second century additions but with the exception of John I don't see this as a mainstream view.
>just admit that you WANT mark to be written in 70. that’s all this is.
Actually I would be more satisfied with a later date like the 80's but most Historians date it to about the time shortly after the fall of the Temple so I go with that.
>>14010402
Lots of them since it was a common name, but since he uses names and events that are also mentioned in Acts then its safe to assume he is talking about the same people.
>>14010235
Ill have to look into some of his writing or lectures. Again, don't see any reason not to consider him a scholar seeing as he has done it professionally for decades.

I don't understand, what was the main aim of Napoleons Empire? Watered down Jacobism? Anti-Clericalism? Restoring the Roman Empire?
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>>14009733
Abdul and Mabanga have already replaced you. Euros fighting over who's more judaized is like two cows in a slaughterhouse taunting each other over who will be killed first
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>>14009711
He wanted to copy Hitler
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>>14009711
Beat Britain and become global hegemon
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>>14009711
Destroying tartary
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>>14009711

> I don't understand, what was the main aim of Napoleons Empire?

To achieve a political settlement and resetting of the continent to such a degree that another inevitable anti-revolutionary coalition cannot form.

The entirety of France's political and military activity since the revolution has been the survival of the revolutionary state, which they knew the rest of Europe wanted to extinguish.

Everyone here hates on Napoleon for being an idiot for overextending, but they simply are pop historians who have a shallow viewpoint onto why things were they way they were.

In essence, Napoleon knew that whatever he had achieved by his height in 1800-1812 will be inevitably reacted to by yet another coalition, and yet another coalition, until the order is destroyed and reset.

Not just against Britain, but the German states, Austria and Russia, along with everyone else piling on.

This is why he acted as he did, because the only way for the revolutionary state and the spread of it that was achieved, to last, was to reset the timer for the next inevitable coalition against him.

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Jesus was as real and as divine as Buddha, Horus, Zarathustra, Achilles etc. As in he was just some dude (if he ever existed), and people added more and more about him in their fanfiction.
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>>14010511
John Muhammad Baptist and Jesus Ali Christ did come back. Have you read Qur'an their book?
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>>14010450
they're some of our favorite writers and authors
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>>14010515
Horus is as plausible as Jesus and has just as much evidence
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>>14010541
No it says that Jesus said he would come back to establish his kingdom on earth in a perfected state. And to hand out his rewards. That didn't happen. No amount of cope is going to change that obviousness.
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>>14010548
it was nice of john the baptist and jesus christ to write the new testament and the koran

Why they're so violent?
Like. They just seem to want to commit genocide and have tried to do it since like Forever.
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>>14009493
Why do tutsi women look down on them? they are nice guys. Is it because their short height?
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>be bantu bvll, big muscular bodies due to mixbreeding with a "mystery race" from west Africa
>iron age spreads to your lands giving you an advantage over your neighbors, the bantu migration begins
>rape pygmies, khoisan and whatever other groups you find creating the "twa"
>form little ooga booga tribes, live happily doing tribal rituals and dances, killing each other and fucking the fat asses of your women
>centuries go by with nothing happening

>all of a sudden some northern pastoralists, tall, slender and intelligent, ride in from the north
>they sweep all aside, but you are one of the more martial tribes, any one of your warriors could take on 2 of your peers
>warriors gather from all corners of the tribal land for the showdown, but instead of attacking, the newcomers harass you for days
>fatigued and supplies running low, you decide to withdraw, now finally the pastoralists launch a full attack on your rear triggering a rout
>except they don't massacre you and wipe you out like your ancestors did to other peoples
>they don't even breed your squat women, they don't care about their "fat ass" and won't mingle their blood with yours
>instead you are reduced to serfs, if you get uppity your only pride is snipped right off like you are one of their steers and you are sold as a slave

>centuries later a new people arrive, pale of skin with fast firing firesticks and great moustaches

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>caring about which ungobungo tribe is giving each other the machete of peace this week in the dark continent

I wish the plot of black panther was true and someone gave all the africans hyper advanced weaponry so they'd just wipe each other out more efficently
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>>14009607
Yeah, that's true
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>>14009493
Well there's no evidence that this so-called genocide ever happened in Rwanda. It's impossible to kill that many people in 100 days LOL it really feels like LOLcaust again. I'm surprised they didn't mention that the hutus put all the tootsies in the gas Chambers. Or how the tootsies were turned into lamp shades.

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Did feminism have a net positive or net negative on society and in women in general? What does humanities think?
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>>14010449
>half your population can now contribute as a labor force to drive productivity up to levels unseen before
that's not a net positive. wages are lowered, birthrates are reduced, consumerism goes up and only jews profit

>half your population has access to higher learning, producing more minds like marie curie to contribute to the country intelligentsia and progress of science
again much greater drawbacks. plus feminism actually pushes women toward becoming transgender dance studies majors. China educates women far better without feminism, which is why it has far more female scientists

>half the population can now work and thus has the income to spend on products, stimulating the economy
see point one. The corpo jew capitalists profit, the population dies out. Which is good since I don't like westoids

>Feminist laws add layers of red tape for authoritarian oppressors to cut through before they can seize control from the population, giving the people a buffer to save themselves in case of a tyrant
read: feminists become the tyrants themselves.
authoritarianism isn't bad btw

>these points provided to society in general so much value

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>>14010470
This is a schizo post

>jews
>ugly women
>fixation on trannys
>women becoming tyrants

Can you be any more of a /pol/ faggot.
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>>14010470
>A whole population of people can become tyrants
you dont know what the word tyrant means.
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>>14010449
>half your population can now contribute as a labor force to drive productivity up to levels unseen before
>half your population has access to higher learning, producing more minds like marie curie to contribute to the country intelligentsia and progress of science
>half the population can now work and thus has the income to spend on products, stimulating the economy
poor women already worked, it only allowed a few determined and intelligent women like Margaret Thatcher to contribute
>Feminist laws add layers of red tape for authoritarian oppressors to cut through before they can seize control from the population, giving the people a buffer to save themselves in case of a tyrant
the net positives that these points provided to society in general so much value that any seething about whores is insignificant in comparison.
women voted for the Nazis in droves, the Nazis appealed to great depression era women with promises of social welfare for aryan mothers, women are easier to manipulate, a problem among lower class men and ethnic minorities also, as groups they do not cross the threshold needed to think properly concerning something as important as the vote
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>>14010477
>jews
the bankers profit are mainly jews, so yeah
>ugly women
are ugly and disgusting. only pretty women are likable. what about it, umad uggo?
>trannies mentioned once
suspicious that you focused on it
>women becoming tyrants
absolutely, see weimerica.

Again, I support all these. We literally support the same things, just for different reason than you support what you do

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>>14010458
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>>14010497
That's actually not how the whole "commom knowledge" thing is used. Common knowledge does mean you don't have to cite a source for specific thing, it means that something has been repeated so many times within society that it doesn't need a source.

Some common knowledge
>4th of july is independence day
>feburary is a month.

What you are describing is too specific to be considered common knowledge.
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>>14010526
Doesn't* mean
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>>14010458
Both are cool
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>>14010497
>>14010486
>20 year olds are young
AI AI AI AI AY CAROOMBA MAMA SITA CHICHA subhumanoids were deserving of genocide, and their descendants look like locomoting potatoes

Was he a genius or a based stubborn retard?
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>>14010520
Or simply a right man at the right time?
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Unironically both. I would have loved to meet the madman.

How do we help the environment? What has historically worked in the past, and what hasn't?
Bonus points to anons who posit ideas in line with the painter of pic related
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it's not as if Roman writers weren't talking about air pollution in Rome 2000 years ago from thousands of chimneys and ironworks.
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>>14007868
>>The left does try to milk climate change but nowhere near the extent of /pol/'s edgy hysterical conspiracy theories.


lol it's completely real because Atheism has no substance. What you heard about republics, democracy, humanism was just made up on the fly by the revolutionaries to sell to the peasants the idea of their revolution against the kings. It's the same revolutionaries who made up ecology.
Democracies, republics and humanism are just an ad, a commercial. Democracies are based on a protestation against monarchies. THere is nothing else behind them. democracies are not about giving power to peasants.
And since now kings have accepted losing power, the DNA of democracies that is protestation is compromised. Democracies should not even exist today, yet there a no kings and democrats are still in power. Well they are because they know that the peasants love the idea of protestation. So the big idea of the democrats is to make democracies the enemy. This way the democrats are both idolized and vilified by the peasants. It's the democrats who decide what topic will be vilified and what topic will be idolized. Its the democrats who decide when protestation will occur and under what form. This way whatever the peasants think about, it will be about democrats, not kings of other form of society.
Ecology is just one hose narrative framework where the peasants can protest while the democrats do nothing about it. Reminder that freedom of speech is a death warrant.
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>>14009277
The more peasants babble about democrats, the less they will escape the democrats.
The advantage of ecology over marxism is that even though they were both made up by the democrats, marxism changed the rules too much, ie rules about money. democrats live for money power and sex addiction. They love this shit. You can think of ecology as an impotent marxism, ie ecology is ''marxism even more compatible with democracy''.
All the stuff you heard about ESG and CO2 pollution and metrics of pollution are completely manufactured, unorganic, opaque and became a business in itself.
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>>14007654

You want the truth, here it is : humans are hedonistic, it's not even a democratic thing. THe only novelty with the democrats is that they took power by giving peasants material riches and removing the legal strata about classes (but of course unofficial segregation still occur).

You cant have democracy+no-pollution. Democracy is based on keeping the peasants on the democrats side by flooding peasants with cheap goods and services they can enjoy after they have been wageslaving from 9am to 5pm
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>>14009277
>>14009281
your monarchist shilling contributes nothing of substance to the topic under discussion. Either post something relevant or go seethe on /pol/.

>Best
Lincoln
FDR
Wilson
Washington
Polk
>Worst
Pierce
Grant
Clinton
Kennedy
Buchanan
>Overrated
Kennedy
Clinton

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>In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law on June 16, 1933. “President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services,” said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. “So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25% above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.” Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt’s policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data. In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt’s policies, wages in eleven key industries averaged 25% higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25% higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity. Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23% above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27% below where it otherwise might have been.
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>>13997006
Wtf is that faggot graphic?
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>…the UK had a relatively soft Great Depression by international standards. There was an extremely conservative fiscal policy (much more so than during the so-called austerity after 2008) and yet the economy bounced back. In the period 1930-33, the average public sector deficit was just 1.1% of GDP. And there were only two years of negative GDP growth (1930 and '31). By 1938, GDP growth had been sufficiently rapid, that the country had returned to trend national income as if the Great Depression had never happened. …In the UK, we had a stable regulatory environment, a liberalised market for land for building purposes and fiscal austerity. …though Roosevelt is often regarded as the great saviour, he is nothing of the sort. …taking the period 1929-39 as a whole, real GDP growth was only 1% per annum. There was no return to trend national income levels. …unemployment in the US was much higher than in the UK. For the economy to be operating at those levels of unemployment for so long requires some very bad policies. …Arbitrary regulation damaged business and created “policy uncertainty” and top marginal tax rates were raised.
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a lot of the fuckery FDR is credited for began under Hoover as cf. several useless and/or unconstitutional pieces of legislation passed here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/72nd_United_States_Congress
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>>13996849
>Clinton
>Kennedy

I rarely see either of these ranked on the bottom. Mind explaining your reasoning?

Why can't Christians agree on anything?
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>>14009533
Hail Satan the Son of God!
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>>14009308
Because there are many, many Christians and there is no powerful, unifying institution to keep them all in line. Nice side thread nigger.
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>>14009864
>Satan is God's wing Man
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>>14009308
>Why can't Christians agree on anything?

Primarily because of the Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura.

As explained by Protestant scholar Keith Mathison:

>One of the most obvious facts facing any intelligent person who has been a Christian for more than a few days is the reality of multitudes of conflicting interpretations of Scripture....

>Each man will claim that he bases his judgment on the authority of the Bible, but since each man’s interpretation is mutually exclusive of the other’s, both interpretations cannot be correct. How then do we discern which interpretation is correct?

>Is there any way to ever resolve the hermeneutical chaos and anarchy that exists within the Protestant church largely as a result of its adoption of radical individualism?

>Most Protestants do not seem to have taken this question seriously enough if they have considered it at all.


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>>14009308
Because people can’t agree on anything

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What did Hitler think of Tsar Nicholas II? I mean they both were ethnically Germanic. They both hated Jews. Would Hitler and Nicholas became allies? Or would Hitler have still invaded Russia and depose the Tsar?
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>>14010069
Well I mean, it wasn't really ethnic Russians that built the USSR. They were a disproportionately small percentage compared to Ukranians, Georgians, and of course the handwringers.
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>>14010005
>He said he was happy Japan steamrolled them during the Russian-Japanese war in Mein Kampf
Citation? He never said that entire first bit you posted so you already lied about that (predictably, as both Nicholas and Hitler said you would).
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>>14010005
>the serf system it clung onto well into the 20th century
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>>14010005
>steamroll
Is that the new term for barely won?
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>>14010069
Marx thought all slavs except Russians and Poles had no history, and that Russians are too dumb to establish communism
He had some weird boner for poles who ended up being one of most anti communist nations

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Why aren't you Catholic yet?
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>>14006979
No.
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>>14003649
Why did God choose Judea for the Incarnation? What about the Tribes of Israel makes them suitable to spread the Word? Christianity two thousand years later is split into three parts (at best,) Billions have lived and died without ever hearing, let alone accepting Christs' teachings. Why would he not choose a learned, literate cultural centre like Rome, Beijing, Samarkand, Ctesiphon et al?
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>>14009150
You were right, I didn't read who he responded to. Liberal atheists are master of projection.
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>>14004038
Christianitt began with a pope. How can it be said that without the pope there is true christianity?
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>>14010499
This is what tradcaths actually believe

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Historically speaking how do you actually build soldier morale? I consider myself a fairly patriotic person but even I wouldn't go as far as to be ready to kill or die for my country and I find it unbelievable that tens of millions of men historically were ready to put their lives at stake for the sake of their country and even rarely resisted conscription. Did they have propaganda portraying the enemy as totally inhuman and unworthy of living in the past to arouse the soldiers' hatred for their opponents?
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>>14010009
Even the ethnic russians living in ukraine dont want to be absorbed by russia.
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>>14010033
by "no one" i meant russians on ukrainians
my point is you can't propagandize a brothers war with "these people are subhuman" rhetoric, for obvious reasons
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>>14009961
Let them rape and steal shit.
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>>14009961
Not with barrier troops executing troops trying to pull back like Stalin and now Putin is doing.
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>>14009961
Patriotism and loyalty only get you so far in political power. Read Machivelli

Stalin and hitler got people to coorperate by using fear against their country, not just blind loyalty

In putin's case, no one is afraid of ukrane.

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The most Slavic populations in order
Macedonians
Bulgarians
Northern Greeks
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>>14006977

>be pajeet
>hear someone talk about Aryan Invasion
>immediately start foaming at the mouth
>b..bb.b.but muh fake god has the same name as your fake god!!11!!!!

seriously why are they like this?
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>>14009888
Other way around, pajeet. The native black Europeans were raped by the evil white colonisers
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>>14009903
Yep
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>>14009903
WHG and Steppoids were both black and raped nordic farmers.
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