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Someone put me out of my fucking misery and recommend a hiking/walking boot without any vibram horseshit. It is the most slippery sole in existence and I've eaten shit just walking on smooth concrete in the rain.

Also boot thread.

Pic related: PU soled shoe with good grip but no longer being produced.
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>>1778268
The only people I’ve ever met who wear these were aspies
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>>1779499
Converse Chuck Taylor MC18 High Top
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Got these a few weeks ago from an OP shop for $70. They practically looked brand new but somehow the ink from the insoul had been rubbed off. Some trucker or person who didn't do much probably wore them. They smelled new though and had none of those stretching marks your get on your boots after using them. They are super comfy tho. Front of them are kinda fucked cause I'm required to kneel a lot at work UwU
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>>1778046
>vibram is a sole
Stopped reading right there. Vibram is the manufacturer. They have multiple different soles, and so far, the only one I've had that's (somewhat) slippery is the Vibram work. But that's a chemically resistant sole. Those are all slippery, with the vibram being one of the better ones.

>>1779700
Perhaps get off the tourist trails then. Around here, most of the people that can't afford proper gear wear cheap combat boots like what OP posted.
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>>1779535
Rubber boots man

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hi /out/, i figured either here or /k/ would probably be the best place to ask this; i've been exploring various semi-abandoned soviet facilities for the past couple of years, and I always find myself running into the same fucking problem: dogs. I have no problem avoiding detection by man patrols, but if they ever have a dog with them, it'll detect me before i've even spotted the patrol, instant game over. I'll wind up some combination of bitten, jailed, beaten and fined. I'm planning a trip to chernobyl fairly soon and I'd like to spend more than a day there before getting caught by a fucking dog.

I know you can very quickly kill a patrol dog by crushing up broken glass and leaving it along your trail, but I'm not trying to kill a dog, I'm just trying to avoid the thing. Does anyone have specific tactics for breaking up or masking a scent trail? is there anything that fucks with their senses without actually hurting them? Any type of terrain that they can't easily track you through?
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>>1779168
>>1779233
>they've never had to kill a junkie
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>>1778698
There was a diet followed by certain people before and during the 17th century in Japan; it was called "musho" and among other benefits it was said to make you smell-less.

Basically you can't eat meat, milk, anything smelly (basil, pepper, onions sauce, fermented stuff, that kind of thing), no added salt, 80% of the food was raw;you eat maximum twice a day, ideally once. Ideally raw. There is fasting also; I don't know if it has much to do with the smell part, maybe.

Also you have to wash with cold water (no soap) every day or if you can't, as soon as possible. Don't "wear" other smells to hide yours.

Also think about your behaviour : smoking is a dead give away; forget hiding your smell if you smoke. Same if you did a fire recently, animals can smell that very easily and (wild animals at least; Idk for a stray or patrol dog) they can even tell if it's a fire burning right now or if it's the smell of a put-off fire.

Also I remember stories of crossing water (like a river or stream) to break your smell from tracking dogs.

Also maybe try hunting/observation garments with active coal to kill your scent. A bit expensive but apparently it's working... I don't know to what extent tho.

Dogs are tricky; and they are said to be the worst enemy of a man who tries to infiltrate somewhere.


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>>1779293
>they can even tell if it's a fire burning right now or if it's the smell of a put-off fire

that's what Idk if dogs can tell or not. After reading my reply it didn't seem so clear
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>>1779228
Nice tripfaggotry. You can go back too.
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>>1778698
>Does anyone have specific tactics for breaking up or masking a scent trail?
Smear mud on your clothes, walk through water whenever possible and cover as much of your body as possible.
>is there anything that fucks with their senses without actually hurting them?
Cheese, supposedly. Most dogs love really smelly cheese, but allegedly, it destroys their sense of smell. Also capsaicin, but you'd have to spray it all over your trail to get an effect.

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I have lived in the woods off and on all of my life...ask away
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>>1779474
ok maybe this..if you live in an area where there is kudzu, don't plant your garden until after it fully comes out, that shit knows when the last killing frost/freeze is going to happen
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if i seem s bit combative maybe this will explain it..started on /b/ lived on /pol/ for a while, then /k/, realized that i was in the ssme room with untermenschen who masturbated to cartoons of children loli, then got tired of nigger this and jooz that, gun snobs egad, now here I am, by far the sanest and most civilized so far, hope I can learn some things add to the knowledge base
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>>1777338
Your are the guy who always stumbles into my campsites at the end of the day and talks my ear off all night long about crazy and degenerate shit while I’m trying to relax. I’m always too polite to ask you to leave
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>>1779479
Jansport is pretty good about their warranties. Sent a 10 year old pack in with a broken zipper and the replaced both zippers without question. I did similar with my big North Face pack... no questions... they just did it. Buy quality, friends
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your go to food from the store for hikes?

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I have admited defeat, guys.

I've got a sleeping pad like pic related. Due to me having a rather wide nylon hammock, the narrow pad slips around and in sub zero temperatures it gets cold as fuck.

Anyone here know a good non-slip pad? I've looked at a Klymite one, but they're expensive as hell
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>>1778202
Coleman Hooligan. Cot takes up most of it, but there's plenty of storage space under it and in the vestibule.
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>>1776772
How long did it last you? I just bought a Tensor thanks to everyone saying it's quieter than the Crinklyrest, but if it's gonna fall apart tomorrow, I might REIturn it.
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>>1773569
Why the fuck would you be happy with this compromize?
A proper underquilt which you can use in 0c costs like 50 buckeriinos
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OP here

For the record, I'm talking about Celsius when I say sub zero, stop freaking out burgertards.

Also received the Klymite with wings, and it is fucking massive
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>>1773577
This is the only helpful post in this thread.

Climbing General #12

A place to talk about climbing in any aspect (trad, sport, bouldering, aid, alpine, etc).

Rock Climbing is a dangerous sport that can cause loss of life, limb, eyesight, or sanity.

Useful Info:
https://pastebin.com/dhTMzCqJ

Off-belay thread: >>1720065

That crack better stop looking at me that way before I shove my size 9 wingtip up it's ass and it catches these mf'in hands u feel me
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>>1777896
Thanks mate. I thought it did, when one looks at the hands of guys like Tommy Caldwell that aren't big and still have roughed hands one assumed that training plays a role on that.
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>>1778303
it's just from years and years of them abusing their fingers in cracks and gnarly holds.
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>>1777957
I usually just roll up to the boulders alone and have some conversation/be nice

Granted I haven't met that many people because I avoid the crowds but I made some real friends this way.
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>>1777957
the smaller; less commercial places
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>>1760765
Night bouldering on south mountain is great, I'm not sure when the gate opens but I've stayed out there til about 11 and love the World Boulder area at night if you get a chance to check it out

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what is the best knife ever made an why is it the puukko?
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>>1772711
kek
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Skip the puuku and get yourself a leuko (Finnish for fuck off knife)
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wrong: it's the BK16 with sensible modifications and a good sheath
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The Canadian belt knife is a great knife design, but definitely not THE best knife, it's outstanding for what it was make for.

It's a great blade shape for skinning, cutting meat and all around food prep as well as a good all around belt knife.

It's not too big, not too small, it's a practical size. The elevated handle makes it especially useful for rock/chop cuts on food.

Sure it'll make feather sticks and split wood, but so would most any knife. Where this knife shines is cutting meat.

KOA makes one in D2 they call it the Yukon, that's a treat to use.

Cold Steel makes one too if you don't want to pay for an All American made knife, still a decent choice.

Meat Trapper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqCS5Undp4

NutnFancy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCSNJXkP0I

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>>1779557
what's the difference between it and a puukko functionally? can it baton?

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>go and live in canada for up to 6 months thanks to being a UK citizen and canada being part of the commonwealth
>buy 20+ acres of rural woodland close to a road which is within 200 miles of a large town/hospital and within 100 miles of a food shop
>buy motorbike or other cheap transport and live inside it or in a hammock with an underquilt/overquilt travel to the land from the airport
>build a simple, well insulated cabin elevated on posts
>start to plant enough crops to feed you year after year, start transporting canned food/essentials, water filters, any medication you need, sanitary supplies, vitamins etc to store in your dwelling
>only stay for under 6 months at first but once you have enough to last you a decade and have been reliably harvesting crops year after year and cycling the planting areas (mainly potatoes, large a variety as possible of vegetables able to grow reliably in the climate)
>then just overstay and live on the land until you run out of water filters or get a health problem which requires a doctor and can't be helped by over the counter medication
Isn't this preferrable to working a manual labour job with eastern europeans for 12 hour shifts just so you can afford to rent a shoebox flat or terraced house in an urbanised environment while your body and mind slowly degrades over time?
Why haven't more people done this in the UK?
Just look how popular videos and channels like this are here about living offgrid in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD54W6cJKOM


The only thing that would stop you would be a health problem or bear attack which required something more than OTC medication
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i havent seen anyone suggest registering as living at your parents (or friends or whatever) house and ""camp"" on your 2 acres in definitely not a dwelling just a tent and get welfare, the idea being u put money and effort into ur land to make it as sustainable as possible asap without a "job" and hopefully soon without the need for one
also unironically watch varg for this kind of shit, he brings (brought) it up a lot, the main idea being reduce your need for money and doing everything urself
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>>1776807
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>>1778643
If you say you live with mommy you don't get welfare
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>>1776807
You’d be better off buying a hunting property and living there during squirrels/duck/whitetail season for like three months then go back home and save up. Your expenses in the cabin would be minimizes, as tou wouldnt be there in peak winter months. Then youd also have the added benifit of going home with a freezer full of meat and can save money on grocery costs for the other 9 months of the year. A lot of jurisdictions are more leniant on off grid shelters if it is a hunting property.
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>>1776807
It will cost about $150k to build the cabin. You cannot forgo power or water or septic. You need a permit. You need a road. Municipalities require this. You are not allowed to pitch a tent on your own land in Canada if the land is not zoned as a campground. So, if you have $150k or enough money for a down payment on a loan, then your plan can work. But you should know Canada's climate is hellish. The winters are long, brutal, never ending. Two weeks ago it was literally freezing. The summers in rural areas are full of mosquitoes, blackflies. And they are brutal summers. Very hot and humid. VERY humid. So, if living in the middle of nowhere with shit weather being a sustenance farmer is your cup of tea, then it's a fine plan. If I were you though, I would look into moving to Spain.

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Raw eggs

Are they good? I live in a country where you don't get sarmonella from eggs.

How long do you think they last in a backpack?
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>>1779076
but thats not how it works....
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Why not just cook and pickle the eggs? Now you have eggs for days.
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>>1779076
lmao. this is your brain on pickled fish.
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>>1779344
That's a lie.

I used to have chickens and I didn't wash the eggs, they lasted outside the fridge much longer than store-bought eggs, or washed eggs. It wasn't uncommon for me to see several month old eggs from my chickens in the fridge. And even if salmonella is a concern, have you considered washing the egg before cooking? Or just taking basic care of your coop?

What is the worst state for /out/
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>>1779089
too hot
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>>1770261
Getting shot by strangers is a US thing, Anon. We're talking about the EU.
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>>1779089
oh boy do i love me miles and miles of sagebrush
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>>1766875
Florida a 4?

Holy shit I guess no one on /out/ boats.. Also our entire state is littered with pristine natural springs that average the same refreshing 70 degree temp year round.

You have to be insane to not love /out/ in Florida and rate it at least an 8, although I would say the bar to entry is a bit higher here. Once you get into fishing, get scuba certified, get a boat..
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>>1767662
The problem with OR/WA/CA isn't the outdoors, it's the gayass-commies.

Pic related, birch bark. The absolute best natural tinder you could hope to find. A small amount of this stuffed in your pockets and dried with your body heat is all you need for tinder.

Any other plants that outdoorsman must know about?
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>>1779635
please explain anon
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>>1779630
Spruce
Chaga
Cattail
Juniper
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>>1779630
based burch nigga
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>>1779635
fpbp
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>>1779635
Bretty good

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>>1779690
near mt townsend looking west
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>>1779692
last up, this one is from tassie
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>>1779695
Looks like leafland
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>>1778207
we have a bunch of those too lol

>>1779652
Nevada
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Hello, i'm currently in search of infographics for SHTF/Survival/Tips/Tricks and misc things regarding self-sufficiency as well.
Anything goes as long as it's practical knowledge for survival and self-sufficiency

Years ago i used to think prepepers were just good at memeing so i lost my old folder. I'll post what i managed to gather from /pol/ yesterday because i thought you guys might contribute to a large sized collection as well which can be centralized and passed around too
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>>1777345
Meat preserving.
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What, if any, lessons have you learnt from WuFlu?

I learnt not to leave things to the last minute to buy or do, and to have a 1 month supply of EVERYTHING, not just food. I've been using this lockdown to rapidly get myself sorted, buying shelves to organise my stock rotations, expanding my DIY and gardening knowledge, repairing things around the house, etc.
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>>1760095
Can't you boil water in a wooden cup without the wood taking fire due to the quick heat exchange between wood and water? And for cooking you can use stones.
Smart advice anyway, but I'm not sure the salt is for conservation purposes, you would need a huge amount of it for that. Imo if you've got fire it sounds better to smoke.
Guess each environment is different, and he has hands on experience so he's the master here, can't go wrong with salt and tin anyway.
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>>1779092
I re-learnt that people are retards and will be the biggest threat in a case of SHTF. They go crazy on other people, fighting over nothing. They will empty any kind of supply store for no good reason other than to not be too late and will take literally any shit they can get their hands on even if they don't need them. Worst they will know of some basic necessities like TP and empty them as well. Most people are selfish, as can be seen by the ones putting society at risk by not putting on masks to avoid looking like retards because it does not protect the anyway. Collapse will be weird because you'll have people aware of the collapse, the plebs and the conspiracy theorists, making any kind of organisation impossible unless prepared beforehand or it's a small group of trusted people.
All in all, live like a hermit in the mountains and be self-sufficient. But don't make it known to others, and have the means to defend yourself.
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>>1760691
So, what Lil Faggy is saying, that you should not move your mouth in a way that would displease him, otherwise his hand , meaning fist, will be punching "where my hip be at" meaning your face, because his hip is at your face implying that you are currently sucking on his activated almond.

Me and my brother were walking outside when he saw this rock. This is the first time that we see this kind of rock. What is this?
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>>1776575
>op is clearly underage
We cant know for sure until they post nudes
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>>1776575
you can tells hes underage by the wedding ring on his middleaged man hands.
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Probably is white gold
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>>1775702
Crack
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>>1775702
Its a white rock, dumbass

Hello! I'm leaving to go hike the Colorado trail on July 1st with a friend. I've from the appalachia so that's what I'm used to hiking, any recommendations for things to pack I may not have thought of, or stories about the trail or surrounding areas, any towns or hostels worth stopping at? Thanks Guys.
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>>1778566
gotcha!
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>>1778568
If you can come a few days before you head out that would be better than nothing. If you're in good shape it shouldnt be too big of a deal. You will need to drink more water than usual most likely due to the altitude and dryness here.
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>>1778573
6'2 170 and feeling strong! But I am worried about water. I have all the filters and such but rn only have 2 standard size nalgene, and a 800ml pouch, should I go ahead and get a bigger pouch or do you think that will do?
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>>1778577
I havent done any multi day hikes myself so ill let someone else answer, A bigger pouch wouldnt hurt if you can handle the weight. One other thing to be aware of is the sun, it will burn you a lot faster than lower altitude so best to have some sunscreen or be able to cover up if you are in unshaded areas for more that 15-20 min.
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Just download the app and do what it says. Watch out for mountain bikers.


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