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God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world, aina hey?
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>>1637647
<3

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Recently I got really interested in velomobiles.
I am thinking of building one myself, due to high prices and in my opinion some questionable design choices of consumer ones.
My primary use would be commuting to work and stuff. This way I also get to do some exercise and commute at the same time.
Also I would use it to travel/tour. Maybe with full reclining seat, I wouldn't need a tent.

Has anyone here driven velomobiles, maybe even tour in one?
What did you like/hate? What would be your concerns?
Any experience and advice appreciated.

And why are consumer ones so weird looking? Some of the racing HPVs look much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZLfd5c4Iw
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Do the aerodynamics on these actually work? Seems like it would be a lot of extra weight with little actual benefits. Most drag is surface drag at this speed anyways
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>>1630369
I don't exactly know how usual research is conducted, but I imagine 2 different paths: One is; where company pays to get their "innovative" product tested against conventional product - this can lead to some bias towards that new product. Let's say that boundary conditions can be set up in a way that favours one product.
The other is where there is more non-biased testing, with genuine interest which product is better, with no connection to any brand. Usually internal testings in companies, or maybe before investment or something or consumer report.
>>1631005
I didn't mean cut corners in necessary bad way. More like design decisions they make. They design stuff for more or less mass production and cutting the costs down . I do not have those restriction, but different restrictions. so their product (which might be the best possible solution for their restrictions) might not be fit for my case. Let say derailleur: developed 100 years ago and chosen to be the best. for that time. For manufacturing in that time. Then it was built upon that and improved through the time. Today's versions might be the best possible version that can exist. But it is all based on some decisions that were made 100 years ago. And I do not know what those decisions were, therefore I cannot choose if this is fit for my purpose or not. And in commercials they don't tell you why they choose to do things this way, so people cannot make informed decisions. That is why I do not trust commercials, because their purpose is to sell you stuff, as it fits that company, not as it fits me or you.
I am also thinking more and more that it might be a good idea to use some different system of power transfer than usual cranks and chain.
>>1633222
It seems so. according to some basic aerodynamics it should work. Look here >>1631549.
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>>1624704
Where are you going to store it? It's going to occupy 3x the space of a regular bicycle.

The bike + rider height is going to be much shorter than a regular bicycle + rider. You're going to get run over.

Super aerodynamic velomobiles make sense at high speeds. If there are lots of hills on your ride, it doesn't make sense. On the flats you will probably be operating too fast for bicycle lanes so will have to ride with traffic, but you still won't be as fast as traffic, and you'll be super low to the ground and no one will see you.

Bad vibes.
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I find the idea really cool, but in practice there are too many problems for it to be a viable for most people. Yes, you can go faster on flat ground for the same effort, but on hills you'll slow down to a crawl, in corners these things are complete death traps and they take up a lot more space than a bike.
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>>1637706
As always, it requires effort to fix its problems and is different from what you are used to.

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The age of the round chainring is over.

Through an exhaustive R&D process to refine the oval chainring we discovered that optimum pedaling efficiency didn't come from subtly altering the circle, it came from a whole new shape we call the 'square'. By breaking the pedaling action into 90-degree segments the rider effortlessly puts four times more power to the rear wheel. In between these peak power moments, there is the restive stage of pedaling which riders report a 90% decrease in fatigue.

The unique geometric shape of the 'square' also provides our Quadrant rings with the revolutionary Parallel Chain Retention Technology. While conventional chainrings can only have 180 degrees of chain contact, the Quadrant ring has up to 270 degrees of contact that eliminates all chain drop. Forever.

Easier pedaling, more power, less stopping and dropping.

The Future is Square.
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RIP Prince Phillip
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>>1609021
>that eliminates all chain drop.
You know what else helps? Not being a retard who can't adjust your fucking drivetrain properly.
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>>1609021
i dont believe that it would feel very nice in serious use
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Bump
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Has anyone asked that Indian youtube shitter about this?

>Ruins your flight
>Nothing personal, kid.
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>>1636207
Amerilard diversity designed Boeing craft
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>>1636461
The pilot who shot down KAL 007
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>>1636203
3 letter Terrorist organization using civilians as shield for military operations.
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>>1636479
But enough about the CIA
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I see someone has been watching For All Mankind

“In the 50s the mentality around roads was that they existed for one purpose and that was to move as many cars as you could as fast as you could,” the new U.S. transport secretary has told a conference. Pete Buttigieg stressed that one of his priorities will be to halt and reverse that mentality .

“One thing that I don’t think a lot of Americans are aware of is how far behind we are on bicycle and pedestrian safety,” said Buttigieg who was appointed as President Biden’s transport secretary early last month.

“Other developed countries are safer to walk or bike on than American streets,” he added, intimating he would change that.

No doubt Buttigieg will, at some point in the near future, remind cities and highway planners that building more and wider roads does not reduce congestion, it increases it.

Elsewhere in Texas, Houston’s Katy Freeway was expanded to 26 lanes between 2008 and 2011 at a cost of $2.8 billion in order to alleviate severe traffic congestion. The expansion did not alleviate traffic congestion, it made it worse. Travel times increased by 30% during the morning commute and 55% during the evening commute between 2011 and 2014.

Buttigieg is also in favor of investing in high speed rail, pointing out that Japan and China are far in advance of America on such efficient transport modes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2021/03/22/design-for-human-beings-not-cars-new-us-transport-secretary-says/
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>>1637577
Rowhouses are considered multifamily in the US.
But Toronto has more towers going up than just about anywhere in the western world.
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>>1637597
>But Toronto has more towers going up than just about anywhere in the western world.
in very select areas adjacent to rapid transit or the waterfront
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>>1637577
no, you're right, but i thought where they want to run subways are already totally packed. i could be wrong.
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sure he says that and will give tax breaks to waymo faglords clogging the roads
t. ex waymo employee
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>>1628665
Fuck Pete booyjej.
>Figuratively, of course.

Does anyone have pics of streets that go from very wide to thin?

Can you go from massive noisy car-clogged avenue to cozy residential street?
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>>1636961
If we’re lucky, one day we will.
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>>1637558
>>1637560
>place bonaventure
that thing is a fortress, its like a flakturme from nazi germany, could hold out against invaders for weeks in that concrete behemoth
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>>1637602
pic related
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>>1637603
they added neons on the edges, looks better irl
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>>1636961
based retarded Salt Lake City

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Which city in the world has the best elevated trains?
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>>1634500
berlin
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>>1637477
North East London has bits like this too that are pure kino
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detroit
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>>1634500
Vancouver
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>>1637746
lmao BTFO racist hamcuck. cope mehr bitte

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Post buses
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>>1637497
Junkies arent a problem outside of the US, it's not a factor in PT design elsewhere
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post a bus terminal bigger than this
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>>1637684
Is that in Thailand?
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>>1637624
yes they are lmao

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Charlie Alliston's chariot edition
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>>1637385
no they arent, they are literally a velocity fusion rim drenched in plastic and you are an idiot
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just got a fixed gear built this last weekend
most fun i've had on a bike in ages
love just going out for a ride, enjoying it
glad that i built one
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>>1636910
Normies don’t know this. Sitting down trackstanding looks more nonchalant and chilled.
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>>1637651
your next step is to sell your geared bike and use your fixed gear exclusively
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>>1637668
What do I care what normies think of how I look.

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What are your thoughts on older bikes?
Are there specific eras where particular types of bikes, road racers for example, peaked?
Does new always mean better?
We know that technologies always reach a point where they effectively become 'solved', in that our understanding of them is complete and there is no real way to improve upon them. But technologies related to cycling in general seem to be continuously evolving and improving, or is that just an illusion?

Built in obsolescence has been around for a long time now and exists in all things manufactured, both physical and digital, think about the rock solid durability of the early i-phones compared to the fragile and coded to die modern equivalents, and even though they are now mass produced almost exclusively by slave labour in China using the cheapest possible materials, the prices keep on rising. Has bike manufacturing reached that stage yet? Of course if an i-phone fails it's unlikely that the owner will suffer potentially catastrophic injury, whereas if a bike were to fail then it could easily result in death, so perhaps most reputable bike manufacturers realise there's a limit to how cheap and 'built to fail' they can push it.

With everything we buy in some way being designed to fail at some point, thereby encouraging further consoomption, is this true of bike frames and components?

Also manufacturing techniques have changed a lot over the past century or so, is a hand built frame really going to be better in real terms than something assembled by am efficient machine? What about design and even over-design, we all know examples of bike that seem just about peak for a particular purpose, just as we often see memes bike on here that have clearly been overthought.

It would be interesting to hear from anyone with a vintage bike or those who simply have to have the latest cutting edge stuff.

What is the apex bike or frame, brake, gearset or wheel?
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>>1633552
>>1633561
>>1633585
That's just FC-7701 with SHIMANO screenprinted on it instead of Dura Ace?

>>1633551
There were gimmicky parts like finned brake pads and aftermarket derailer pulleys, but the more problematic things were super lightweight parts that actually broke or sacrificed stiffness, like drilled-out crank arms and brake calipers or titanium spindles.
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>>1633585
as >>1633614 said the crank arms were dura ace FC-7701 octalink with different logos, the chainring was a special piece, on the track version atleast
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>>1633461
>>1633462
>>1633463
>>1633464
>>1633470
>>1633471
>>1633474
Literally no change in design
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>>1633603
CX wheels and road wheels are often literally the same thing, except more hub seals.
Like campag ones for example
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>>1635369
the wheels and gears changed slightly if you squint

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Bought these bad boys. 100% pure polyurethane. Never gonna have to deal with flats again.
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>>1637068
HAWT DANG, INFLATED RUBBER TIRES GET FLAT, ARE EXPENSIVE, I WANT MAH WOOD WHEELS!

Any technology requires effort to work, normie.
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>>1637328
>what happens when you get a puncture?
It varies. There are all sorts of punctures.

>in the worst case i'll just have to walk home.
Been there, done that. Walking a bike 10 or 15 km is no fun. Not 'wanting' to carry a patch kit sounds like faggotry to me.
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>>1637404
reasonable answer, thanks

>>1637472
costs money and adds weight and it's ridiculous to work on your bike in the middle of a city

>>1637491
2 km or less is no big deal
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and mini pumps are ridiculous, can't reliably get more than 80 psi or so even with a lot of effort. if you start at 110-115 psi a slow leak would still leave you better off for a little while
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>>1632417
This is now a best tire thread, name better universal choice than WTB NANO 2.1

Protip: you can't

Protip No.2 : they are discontinued

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Why were trams discontinued?
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>>1635186
Decided to take the light rail in Minneapolis for the first time a few weeks ago, exactly this. Spotted a couple homeless people sleeping in the train, people smoking everywhere, one guy started screaming for no fucking reason.
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>>1637092
>play their """music""" on speakerphone.
That's what a good bass system is for, the whole neighbourhood should share the joy of your tunes.
>drown me in their cloud of BO/perfume
running coal
>spit at me,
Ever had somebody swerve their cage at you?
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>>1637569
Isn't that city a warzone now? Or is that just media manipulation. Sorry I'm not from America
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>>1637711
Pretty much, we're under a curfew again due to more riots because of another police shooting.
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they're pretty stupid when you can use the same electric infrastructure to power buses that don't require rails

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>>1564618
>Rescuers did not identify the debris that was the remains of the cockpit, with the four pilots alive inside, until 35 minutes after the crash. All four recovered from their injuries and eventually returned to flight duty.
Not today DC-10.
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>>1581649
>>1581666
>Hi Ray. I think it's sort of ironical that we end up like this. I asked for some leniency for my family. Remember? Well, I got none and you'll get none.
10/10 masterpiece
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>>1615505
where are gas tanks?
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Is that a Prius?

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Is it the ultimate ki/n/o?
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>>1637320
What's up with the clocks mounted on the base of the columns? Just a nice way for people to tell the time?
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>>1637435
Public clocks were pretty common until watches became affordable.
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>>1628605
What's the point? Is it just to look cool and nice?
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>>1637707
It was a trial of a new method of transportation and it wasn't really successful, but the relative uniqueness makes it interesting for tourists and therefore for locals as well.

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Any of you fags use this instead of google maps? Anyone contribute to it? Do anything interesting with the data?
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>>1637509
Either there's something wrong with your setup or you're plotting an insane number of points, plotting points and calculating a route on my cheap android phone is instant and calculating optimal route takes 4-5 seconds. This is over on a 100 mile journey, if I plot my regular rides it is instant. Route calculation is a trivial problem for computers and old navigation units managed this on significantly less compute power than is available today even on very low end devices.
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>>1637525
I just installed the apps today, I didn't mess with any settings.
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>>1636206
Good work, anon. I'm impressed.
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>>1637550
Here are screenshots comparing my custom map with the Garmin's default one.

Garmin's map has alleys, unclassified roads and minor arterials roads all look identical.
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>>1636450
>>1636453
>>1636455
Alright, bought a compass and will try it out.




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