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All bets are off!
Is it going to work out?

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>>1885902
Not additionally dunking on Germans but distributing fare revenue between transport authorities has been solved in Switzerland for decades.
As a customer I can buy yearly/monthly/weekly/daily passes that allow me to ride any public transport, no matter the operator or network.
Obviously there's a lot to be done behind the scenes (and there are enough arguments) but passenger statistics even worked before portable computers with internet access were as widespread as they are today.
Nowadays the same applies to Austria.
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Ticket vending machines are expensive. handling the cash from those machines is a lot of effort. An ap is much cheaper and easier for the company. The only thing preventing this is the baby boomer horde and their preference for analog solutions. Same goes for counters.
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>>1885912
I know Germany wants to become a shithole but no need to not use existing infrastructure.
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>>1885902
>>1885912
Well, looking through the official FAQ, the ticket appears to be "digital" in the same sense as the BaföG-Antrag is "digital".
The tickets are sent by email and the customer needs to print them himself.
Which, arguably, is a better solution than tying it to a phone or something like that.
This will probably necessitate a centralized analysis of ticket usage in order to prevent abuse, though.
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>>1887782
So now in addition to paying for my ticket I also must pay a third party for the service if unlocking the ticket for me? And I must also spend additional time to find and requisition such a service.

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The great debate...Which way /n/?
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wow what a quality thread that is sure to spark quality discourse
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>>1887478
why would you hit a stone? What did it do to you?
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>>1887493
There are no boring threads onyl boring people
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>>1886758
Jo-jack looks like all truck owners feel lol.
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>>1886720
I feel like theirs also a distance factor. Most people who get ebikes have longer, rural, or hill-heavy commutes 10-20 miles.

Justifying a 1k+ ebike for a flat, 1-2 mile commute is a lot harder, and you can get a scooter for half the price- but at that point an un-powered bicycle is going to be even half that and is still pretty awesome.

Scooters honestly seem way better in urban environments, for cost and convenience. I see way more of them in cities.

Why do they refer to this vehicle as “bicycle built for two?” They couldn’t come up with a better name? Duel-cycle? Two-cycle?
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>>1885332
>tyl that your favorite ice cream was designed to be used to lure children to rape dungeons
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>>1884814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TakqPZu4dEw
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>>1883953
tandems bikes, best bikes
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>>1883953
I'd love a duell cycle. Where youre facing away from each other and in a constant tuck of war. He who is blessed with bulbous quads will decide which way the bike moves.
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Did somebody say duel cycling?

why did they die out and what are their advantages today?
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Also modern aircrafts glide coefficient often exceeds 20. So on the move lift is a non issue. With upcoming vtol tech even the last few advantages of lighter than air might vanish.

After all, you're not planning on hovering for ages and them move for a very short distance.
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>>1877211
Oh yes. I want to travel with a giant balloon that goes 20mph.
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>>1878990
>is developing several variants up to 500T lifting capacity
>47000 pounds is 500T
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>>1877296
>relatively low fuel consumption
No. Hindenburg had more fuel consumption per passenger mile than B-747.
Airships are good at hover but when you need to move you need to overcome air drag and huge balloons are bad at that. Airships are insufficient by design. "Free lift" is not big deal, as guy said >>1885381 airplanes spend very little on the lift. Getting "lift free" is nothing burger (and actually its not free it comes at price of huge balloon with huge air drag.)
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The only way to make zeppelins work is lifting body design, so at least part of the lift comes from airflow, rather than just gas.
However, a lifting body requires (semi-)rigid structure, meaning you need really light yet strong materials, in order to prevent the hull's weight eating into usable payload.
They still haven't fully grokked the materials, IIRC.

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What's going on in the way of transport in your city/state?
Here in Vic, nothing much has changed other than the announcement of the G-class: https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/next-generation-trams
Personally can't fucking wait, I am on a line that just uses old B-class and they're fucking shithouse.
>b-but muh SOVL
Don't care.
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>>1884312
Actually I made this thread.
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>>1884312
>>1884313
nah it was me
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This is a service to
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metronet is proceeding smoothly
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>>1884312 (You)
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No it was me

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Why do Americans love car-centric cities so much? They are economically unsustainable and ugly.
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>>1881601
niggers
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>>1881765
terminally cucked
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>>1887659
>WEF
Schizo conspiratard.
The WEF isn't a government organization, it doesn't have any power beyond just saying things. It's like saying the Internet is a conspiracy executed by Wired magazine in the 1990s to get everyone addicted to porn.
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>>1881601
with a car you can go anywhere you want
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>>1887707
You can't go on the beach in most places. You have to park and walk.

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What's a good drink for a budding bicyclist to keep him going?
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>>1885786
gimme sugar, baby
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>>1886067
*sips*
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I make my own energy bars, they are basically flapjacks but I don't use refined sugar and put loads of nuts, seeds and dried fruits in them. They taste great and are ideal for taking on rides. They are also much better for you and far cheaper than similar products you can buy in stores.

Ingredients (I make it by feel more than some precise recipe, so play around with quantities)
Rolled oats
Organic trail mix (generic but nice seeds, nuts and fruits mix)
Chopped pistachios
Chopped dried apricots
Chopped Goja berries
Chopped dried apple
Butter
Honey
Soft brown sugar
Maple syrup
70% cocoa chocolate chips
Sea salt

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>>1886468
yeah I do the same but without all the hipster shit
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>>1886473
So it's just rolled oats?

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What's the best music while bicycling along a quiet path? I'm glad that's a good cycling/pedestrian play that goes from my apartment to the local retail area.
Yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWCOoREFJw
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Bella Ciao
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Nothing Else Matters - Metallica ('60s Soul Ballad Version) ft. Tia Simone
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Vidda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_fYBp_qgm0
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>>1820487
>eurobeat
wow i never knew about this i just youtubed it and i like it thanks for introducing it to me stranger
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Do you have to play Genshin Impact to get this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW3PSv0uUEg

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Tupperboard edition

The purpose of this thread is to discuss various light electric modes of transportation, such as ebikes and escooters.

Reputable Dealers
https://alienrides.com/
https://revrides.com/
https://www.ewheels.com/
https://e-rides.com/
https://www.euco.us/
https://eevees.com/
https://www.voromotors.com/
https://fluidfreeride.com/
https://voltride.com/
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Just bought my first escooter, Xiaomi pro 2, not many choices in my country.

Haven't been on a bike in 20 years, never drove a motorcycle and i theorically have zero balance, how screwed am i?
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>>1887693
just take it easy and spend a lot of time feeling it out. Scooters tend to give you a false sense of confidence
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>>1887696
Good thing i do night shifts so i can try it out at 5AM when there is nobody outside.

Does anybody recommend getting those larger custom-made decks? I heard they're bad for turning but they look more comfortable.
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>>1885022
I've ridden all PEVs. When I was young I skated to get around. My first PEV was a scooter. I layer picked up an Eskate and an EUC. The big difference is this. Eskates and EUCs have more of an organic flow to them. There's a dance being done while carving or pumping that you just will never get on an ebike or escooter. The skill floor for Euc and skates is higher, the ceiling is much higher, and they reward the rider while ebikes and escooters tend to inspire a false confidence, and are less portable.
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>>1887702
You really shouldn't go for the Xiaomi scooters, they're at least 50% less stable than the Zero 8 line of scooters which offer the same specs, but in the proper fashion of scooter which feels like a solid ebike in terms of quality. Xiaomis are not adult sized, none of the rental clones are. Buy a proper scooter like any of the rebranded Zero 8s.

/n/'s thoughts on Pennsylvania Railroad 5550?
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It's quite unique, I'm actually really exited for it.
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Nice to see it being made,love to see a us wide tour when its done.

Steam be nice to bring back,use some hydrogen shit that makes water vapor so the muh environment wont scream.
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>>1885710
Where the hell are they gonna run it? NS isn't gonna want shit to do with this, and I doubt they'd have much better luck with Amtrak.
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>>1885710
I want to see this thing pulling Amfleets and attempting a Northeast Regional timetable.
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>>1887720
Oh no I'm erect

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>installed gatorskin tire on front wheel in october 2020
>lasted through 500 miles in end of 2020, 2,500 miles in 2021, 2,750 miles in 2022
>rotated it to the back wheel on january 1 because the rear gatorskin wore out after 4,250 miles and i had to buy a new one
>mfw 5,750 miles on this tire and it's still going
bros if you need long lasting tires get there
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Are Vittoria N.EXT any good?
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>>1887551
Yeah, they're heavy. Not one flat in 2 years of commuting though
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I usually go through 2 rear tires for every front one, so I'll buy 3. Or if I'm being cheap I'll wear the rear tire down to the point where its still usable as a front, then swap them.
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>>1887657
You should always have a good non worn tyre on the front because if you puncture the front you are fucked. You put the shit tyre on the rear always.
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still rolling on Specialised all condition armadillo on mavic MA40 rims
holy shit are they are difficult to pry on and off, so I'm just waiting until either the Kevlar fails or the sidewall explodes

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>Here's your bus stop bro.
>Try not to get ran over on the way during rush hour or at night
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>>1885945
>>Very slow traffic
>Bold assumption there
250 feet of accelerating space from a complete stop at the previous intersection up a steep hill into basically a U-turn. In most cars you could floor it and still probably not make it to 30 before the turn, and if you tried you'd just crash.

>vision was also much worse due to vegetation
You can see the entire onramp from the corner of that triangle, not that you need to.

>The sidewalk is also a joke.
Exactly what amenities is that sidewalk missing and why do you feel entitled to them?
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>>1886072
>why do you feel entitled to them?
The same reason why you feel entitled to roads.
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>>1885614
Google maps tells me there's a starbucks in the graveyard.
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>>1886130
Mourners need coffee.
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bus stop in a german village

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Is it feasible?
Here's my concept
>concentric roads with bike lanes and service lanes
>service lanes may be used by buses, ambulances, police vehicles, fire trucks, service vehicles and couriers
>NO private vehicles
>bus routes each way on each circle
>high speed tunnels underground cut through the city, accessible only by service lane vehicles, with exits at each circle
>high speed underground metro cuts through the city north-south and east-west, with stops at each circle
>inner circle is residential and commercial, outer circle is industry
>citizens travel the city by bike, bus, rail or on foot
Find a flaw
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>>1874876
> NO private vehicles
You allowed for bikes, bike-based traffic (bakfiets), and other human-powered traffic (scooters). You should allow for pedelecs, and escooters also to help those who cannot use a bike or need help carrying children/lots of stuff.
> Service lanes can be used by ... couriers
Couriers are usually private companies, so you allow small trucks, also, or is it like an USPS monopoly? Unfortunately you have to allow for some trucks even if you ban cars.
> Bus traffic primarily
Especially in the downtown, you need higher capacity modes such as trams. If you want a zero emission utopia, use trolleybuses and trams primarily.
> R+C downtown
You know what fucking high property prices will be downtown? You probably need a dedicated middle circle for residential. You also should mandate high density development, so that your city remains walkable and transit-friendly.
> High speed metro lines on the spine
... aaand that's where your commercial, shopping districts, hospitals, etc. are
> by rail
Where are your train stations? They should use the same tunnels as your metros, ideally the same tracks with 4 lane tunnels. Two outer for the rails, two inner for the metro. The trains stop at downtown, and in major suburban centers like Paris, Vienna, German cities with S-Bahn. Also they stop at industrial centers overground carrying mostly freight, bit the same lines can carry passengers. Ideally, since your trains stop at high density commercial centers anyway, you could build warehouses and a freight train stop underground next to the train stop . That's how you supply the city with 0 carbon.

Also:

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>>1881260
As existing historic examples show there is either a central building or a central car free place or a park.
This is an essential design feature!
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>>1877600
>>1877724


Cager mindset is obviously not capable to even see it.
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>>1874876
it called canberra
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americans are so used to grids and car centric cities they can not even imagine something else

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Are grass-covered tram and railways worth the extra upkeep? My understanding is that they lower the amount of noise and keep the area cooler in the summer compared to things like asphalt or concrete, but have the drawback that they need to be mowed regularly. They also look nicer than most railbeds.
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Post and talk about trams and similar light rail.
Starting with a pic the neat Tatra KT4DCs of Potsdam.
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Also fun fact, Croatian TMK 2300 models are used by Liepaja Tramvajs, they were bought from Končar Electric Vehicles, the only main differences are in the interior but that is about it.
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>>1886098
These trams look like close relatives.
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>>1804090
Como-Harriet in Minneapolis
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>>1886211
And of course they have PCCs as well
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