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Ok this was posted on /out/ but I thought it would also fit this board well as it is bike-specific.
I want to do something special during this years summer holidays and the best thing I could come up with is doing a bike tour to the sea and go back home by train. The only problem is that I have never done a bike tour before, I only hike and camp in the forest. So I have a couple of questions:
1. According to google maps I would have to go about 550km. Are 5 days a good estimate?
2. I only have backpacking gear and a bike. I assume the only things I would still need to buy are proper bike bags and maybe a repair kit. I own a tent and the ususal camping equipment.
3. How am I supposed to buy stuff without leaving my bike alone? I cant just buy a lock for every single bag of equipment.
4. How much training would I need, assuming that I am in relatively good shape but a bit skinny? I dont ride my bicycle more often than once a week usually atm.
5. How does one find a good camping spot while biking? When walking through the forest I usually just go away from the path to find a lonely place where nobody is going to see me, but I will probably just cycle on proper ways without good opportunities. Do I just drive away from my road into less crowded areas in the evening?
Please share all your experience bike camping, bonus points for including pics. If you have different ideas for trips that dont force me to spend a ton of money I am also happy about it. Thank you everyone.
PS: I am living in Germany if that matters.
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>>1488395
that looks like a nice ride along the shore. is it wilderness?
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>>1488395
I've driven the north shore of lake superior and the idea of riding a bike there does not appeal. Maybe I'm just soft.
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>>1477328
I use a cycle2charge v3 with my dynamo hub.
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>>1475589
For the love of god, make sure you adjust your saddle beforehand, and make sure that you have a comfy saddle that fits your ass. You can do 80-100km daily without being fit at all, just do a comfy pace. Your saddle is way more crucial. I've only done a 3-day tour in my life, and it wasn't the harsh rain (had good gear) or fitness that made it hard - it was the fact that my ass was on fire about 60km in on the first day. You will suffer greatly if your saddle isn't attuned. If in doubt, go to a shop and have them adjust it and have them suggest a good saddle according to your sit bones.
Also, have spares with you, and learn how to fix shit on your bike.
Have a good trip, OP. And remember, it's not the mundane "everything went alright" bits you'll remember for years to come. It's the hard and tough experiences that will stick with you. And the fact that you've overcome them.
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>>1491374
Why, whats the problem with the lake shore?

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I have a question bros. What scooter( non electronic) do you recommend?
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>>1492723
razor
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>>1492723
elite 80 is fun, but weak on hills
elite 150 is a beast but has a stupid foot brake
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>>1492723
I've got a 2007 Vespa LX150. It's pretty great. 70ish empeegees, gets up to 60mph, looks like the more modern bikes, I'm able to ride with my wife on the back, and it's just fun as hell.
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>>1492723
and sorry I meant scooter that are not motored or electric, like the one that >>1493189 is talking about
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>>1494592
in that case get the biggest wheels you can
tiny wheels will launch you over a pebble

there is also the issue of the bearings
basic stuff will have ABEC 3 - does not roll very smoothly
ABEC 5 is nice to have - rolls a little further
but that is just the tolerances
does not indicate anything else about the bearing

>relies extensively on parking money for income
>

Can't wait to see carfaggots try defend this one.
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>>1494407
>wow why is no one using them,
>the ridiculous number of hills in this city
>actually the city is never going to be good for cycling

bike lanes are all very well and good but you can't actually navigate the city, even the cbd, safely on them.
they're hugely intermittent. You're on a nice safe bike lane and then spat out onto a highly dangerous busy road the next minute. This is almost every single route you could possibly think of.
Even the area of the city with 2 university campuses and close to 100,000 students, doesn't really have good bike lanes around it, and doesn't have bike lanes on the major arterial road running to and THROUGH it.

Even absolute clusterfuck chinese student cruising strip/ nightmare parking game lanes like High Street haven't been pedestrianized and are difficult to cycle down at peak hours.

So you can't say:
>hurf they built good bike lanes and no one uses them so the bike lanes were stupid

I think Auckland is actually pretty great for cycling. Sure there are hills, but how about this, it doesn't SNOW. those Euro cunts ride through snow.
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>>1493509
I imagine you must be so well liked calling people buzzwords like carfaggots
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>>1494447
Hard disagree. The point of cycleways is to get normals cycling, not nerds who do it anyway, they’ll never, ever, ever do it in a city like auckland. Sweat? Uphill? No fucking way. Christchurch and Hamilton could pull off the cycle city but not auckland. Their investment in cycleways is literally just to give the voters the impression they’re doing something to stop the car problem. It’s arguably the worst solution because it’s the least likely to appeal to the generic car driving aucklander.

Definitely agree about high street though, like it’s almost laughable that entire area isn’t pedstrianised.
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>>1494481
Ok sure all i'm saying though is that it's yet to actually be seen. It's not clear. You have your theory and I have mine. But don't pretend 'they built it, and no one comes', because that's not really true.
It's not safe or approachable to cycle almost anywhere in Auckland.

Christchurch could be great for it. Except for how miserably cold it gets. And the city is filled with conservative boomer dairy farmer larpers.
I drove through Hamilton the other night and fuck Hamilton. The enormous nightmarish shopping precincts with square kilometres of parking lots right in the city. fuck. hamilton.
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>>1494484
>all this jafa rage and projection

Nothing wrong with Christchurch lad, stop being a pussy it's not cold. Hamilton is a hole for sure but it could get better. Both are flat enough to be able to get normals to cycle.

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700x28 is the patrician tier option for 98% of real-world cycling. I say "real world" to distinguish it from the fantasy world some dream of, where you're riding over boulders to escape from zombies or whatever. The bike equivalent of civilians buying a heavily armored off road military truck to drive to the hair salon. They think to themselves, "instead of steering around that object like a normal person, I will show dominance by steering into it". In this way, they hope to resemble Arnold Schwarzenegger's character from an action film, or worse yet perhaps they are simply copying the actor's real life fashion. But rather than fashion, in real life bikes are for transportation and 98% of transportation happens on a road hence ROAD BIKES which a certain confused subculture seems to think can only be used in a velodrome under tightly controlled conditions.

There is nothing wrong with a smaller tire if that is your preference. Many of the finest bikes ever made came with 700x23 or smaller. But people who select larger tires invariably have small dick syndrome. I think you know who I mean. You've seen them in your neighborhood. You see them when you override your own common sense and decide to go out for a ride on a nice Sunday with perfect weather when the plebs who hate cycling until that one day the weather is nice and suddenly they're a cyclist today are out in full force.. You even see it online. Those pictures of Putin riding his knobby boing-boing dual suspension novelty joke bike on the sidewalk with no shirt on like the neighborhood dirtbag riding to the liquor store, right? Weak, insecure "strong man" logic. Ever notice John Kerry doing that? No of course not he's got a real bike for adults. Because I guarantee you Kerry has a bigger, thicker penis even at his advanced age. I rest my case.

Anyway this is a true incontrovertible facts thread. What are some other interesting facts about transportation?
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>>1491692
ok whatever you're wasting my time
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>>1479495
sounds like poorfag cope desu
just because your secondhand brakes and forks cant handle any larger tire size
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>>1492405
>posted from my salvaged surly LHT
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>>1492423
>posted from dumpster-dived schwinn varisty
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>>1492495
actually I'm posting from a herman miller setu

Prototype or concept thread.
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>>1491713
Let's hope the results from this project allow for a second rise of SSTs, especially given the much more prevalent air traffic sector nowadays and the much more common need for individuals to own small, fast transports for themselves to cut down on time spent not working but in the air.

Or something like that at least, just give us back fast planes already!
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>>1491738
I've got some hope that the market niche the SS bizjet is supposed to fill is viable, but I've been repeatedly disappointed over the decades so...

Anyway here's a pair of nuclear powered turbojets because if you're going to be unrealistic you might as well have fun with it.
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>>1491183
I think it was the Israelis driving the program, they had a lot of trouble attempting to intercept Mig-25s during the Yom Kippur War.
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>>1491957
>goes up to mach 3.6
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>>1489779
Reduced drag, maybe? Also, managing the thermal input of proximate megaton-class thermo-nukes with that greenhouse probably would have proved impractical.

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I live in a ghetto area and get chased by a different fuckin dog about once a week while out riding. DESU it's starting to give me some kinda PTSD where I go into full sprint panic mode whenever I so much as hear a barking dog now while out riding. Last chase was this big fuckin Chow looking thing the size of a bear that managed to pace me for about a quarter mile before it just got bored and turned back. So far I've only managed to aggro on flats and downhills but I'm worried one of these days one is going to aggro on a climb and get fucked.

What's the deal with dog chases? Do they actually want to fuck you up or are they just chasing? Anyone ever get caught? Opinions on defense?
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>>1489302
Foster slug, 1 oz.
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>>1483209
spotted the califag
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>>1480595
Hey anon. Dogs are jerks.

In motorcycle classes, they teach that you should slow down while approaching the dog, then accelerate past it. This will confuse it's pacing, so that it doesn't make contact with you.

Good luck.
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> Entire thread save for a single anon too chicken shit too just spray dogs with their bidon.

> Fucking automatic knife SHOES

Y'all some whimps.
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>>1492378
Mark 149 Mod 2 20mm DU

Do you guys like climbing hills?
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>>1487009
Sort of, I don't have an option not-to so I better like it.

I do have an issue on one of my bikes from how heavy it is, where above a certain grade I struggle to keep it going. I think it's an issue with my fit - I wobble-fall from going too slow and the gearing varies between being unable to move it, mashing to move the bike 6" each push, and spinning out without accelerating.
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>>1487009
No.
I like Japanese trains though.
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>>1487009
Yes, though I'm convinced it's a stockholm-syndrom type situation since I grew up in a mountainous city. They first time I rode on a flat road was in my 20's, by then it was too late.
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Yes. When I'm feeling stressed out I think about the 785 Huez RS while masturbating
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>>1487009
>Do you guys like climbing hills?
i like climbing your mom's mounds
really pushing it till i run out of energy two hours later

what is the future of air travel going to look like?
Why do we still ride in designs which are essentially 70 years old?
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>>1494193
Many small companies trying to make modern airships exist, the technological progress of the last 70 years made them a very interesting option.
Using lifting bodies in the balloon, existing airstreams on the atmosphere, the balloon's own hydrogen supply for propulsion, modern engineering techniques, propulsion tech and materials, ... could result in a very promising product.
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>>1494186
>Cool but without a cruise mode, proper batteries and a good fail-safe
Valid points, however do helicopters are considered fail-safe? I know they can do autorotation if the engine fails, but on the other side they still are very fragile if the control system fails.
On the other side, if the drones use asynchronous motors (which I don't know if they do), they may have a single moving part, which is the rotor itself.
>>1494193
>>1494198
The difference between a drone and a helicopter is the control method, nothing impedes a drone from being turbine powered.
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>>1493656
supersonic travel is cucked because max lift to drag ratio decreases as mach number increases, so at mach 2 you could get 10 to 1, but at mach 3 it goes down to 8 and at mach 4 further down to 7.

Going below mach 2 is not that efficient either, because then transonic drag also makes it less efficient.

Concorde for example had a L/D of around 7 or 8 at mach two, and at that speed some of the most efficient jet engines built, but it's l/d below mach 1 was 12:1 so despite being designed for supersonic flight it still had better range and better fuel consumption subsonically...
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>>1493656
>Max efficiency
>Highly modular airframes capable of being easily upgraded
>Low maintenance yet incredibly safe
Thats what airlines want. So make a plane of that.
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>>1494111
>I don't care
Well, I guess air travel is saved and supersonic flight will be a reality now. Than you based anon!

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Do you guys cycle alot?
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>>1492929
My genes are simply shit, no surprises.
I was so bad in physical education classes back at school .
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>>1492413
My recovery rate is shit too. My ankles always seem sore from walking/biking so much, I started using an ice pack and it got better.
My thighs get sore but that's fine.
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>>1493322
Which part of your ankles hurt after riding? It might be a fit issue
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Not keeping track but been doing about 70 miles a week recently.
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>>1486409
No

Why are cyclists so inconsiderate of the environment?
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>>1492076
in the UK there's so many places where there's a "Cyclists dismount" sign, like for a crossing or where the bike path is close to pedestrian paths. it's so ridiculous, they design everything for old grandmas on dutch bikes because they want to make the infrastructure accessible for everyone (which is obviously a good thing, the more people on bikes and not in cars the better) but forget that if you make the cycling routes constantly stop-start and full of barriers and stops and crossings then less people will cycle because they think it's too much of a hassle.

Copenhagen does it right, separated bike lanes with separate traffic lights and generally you can cross the city centre without stopping more than two or three times. All while separated from pedestrians and vehicles.
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>>1492014
>what is a proper chicane / s curve or speed bump

What a stupid solution
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>>1493636
wtf based niggers are real?
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>>1494482
Of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNccVYLwkFQ
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>>1494436
cobbled speed bumps piss me off

Why can't you be more like this guy? He really seems to know what he's doing. It would be a crying shame if he didn't have a flying job after all this, don't you think?
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>>1494140
To be fair, most railroaders and old heads are fucking retarded.
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>>1493331
Good to see some nigger who isn’t swaggot martin being shit on for being an insta hoe, nearly every insta hoe should be hung on a cross, especially pilots.
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>>1494158
based

Also, "Swaggot Martin" is absolutely a hilarious name for that faggot, since he is a literal faggot.
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>>1494146
post paystub
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>>1494146
i'm only slightly autistic, calm down

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The clouds part and the scratchy distorted voice of the god of /n/ reveals Himself to you. You have thirty seconds to choose an /n/ waifu:

1. Emma: 10/10 body, face aged beyond her years due to excessive sun exposure. She'll be bored riding with you because you're slow and weak, so you can still ride alone like always.

2.Vicki: 10/10 face, bit too tall but she has a flat chest which makes up for a lot. She's not confident riding in traffic but she'll out-autist you any day when it comes to trains.

3.Shaima: 10/10 modest and pure Arab dream girl, will not get on a bike because she's a cager extremist, but then again you wanted to ride alone didn't you? Also comes with unbeatable pass travel perks.

NOW YOU MUST CHOOSE, no takebacks you will share a bed until one of you dies.
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>>1493915
>If you don't like pear shaped hags, you must be a potato shaped one
k
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>>1494411
>in the thumbnail pic.
That's where you've fucked up. Instead of comparing her height in videos with physical objects that have clear specifications as to how large and tall they are (i.e. comparing Vicky's height with that of a 2009 Victoria Line stock tube train), you're comparing it to a carefully edited thumbnail designed with aesthetics first and foremost.
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>>1494007
Are you the anon who did those calculations based on a picture of her standing in a train door?
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>>1494449
Yes.
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>>1494453
>I am about 2cm short of 5'11, but I measure myself as 5'11
of course you do sweetie

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What's your favorite railroad and why?
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unquestionable soul
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>>1491168
I like it!
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>>1491168
I was looking up pictures of Chessie switchers to see what they looked like (I remember road units coming through town in the 80s) and found out they had a shop switcher in West Virginia that was battery powered. It was built in 1917 by GE and is preserved at the B&O Railroad Museum in Baltimore, although it is apparently not on display.

http://www.borail.org/CO-NoX-5000.aspx
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>>1494340
though I was Looking at A Sentinel for a second.
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>>1494431
*thought

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You have to choose between owning solely a motorcycle or a bicycle for the rest of your life. You can't have one with the other. You can select any type of motorcycle/bicycle.

Which do you chose?
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>>1494331
>a Honda Ruckus or something
this is adult with means talk here anon

so is a good e-bike

and if you're an adult with means then you should have a license.
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>>1494331
The maximum power output for e-bikes classified as low-speed electric vehicles (and therefore not subject to motor vehicle laws) is 750w in 26 states. Technically, e-bikes sold in these 26 states which are more powerful than 750w are restricted to off-road only use, although there's no practical enforcement if you aren't riding at 50mph. Most of the rest of the other states classify e-bikes as motor vehicles subject to normal registration laws.

So yeah, while you can technically ride e-bikes without a license, under the majority of US state laws, there's a maximum power output which is still about half that of a 50cc engine. I'd imagine that enforcement will get more severe as more people discover how hard it is to distinguish "non motor vehicle" e-bikes from the monsters that have the power to basically work like motorcycles. For now, e-bikes still have limited range and the massively powerful models are still like 10 grand.
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All the meming about replacing small motorbikes aside I feel the average commuter would be happier with a pedal assist ebike that came with minimal bullshit than they would be with a 50cc moped

A pedal assist bike that gives you back the same or half again the power you put in up to say 300 watts total (you + the motor) would be basically GOAT, not really capable of going much faster than a fit cyclist on a road bike on the flat, but destroying hills and allowing you to keep pace with traffic while weighed down with groceries

Issue at the minute is that the good stuff is still expensive and the cheap stuff works but has a massive jank factor, there needs to be an entry level model stripped down to the essentials so there's a pattern to follow for manufacturers and an ebike with public cool appeal, even if that means a small motor and low power output, like a Honda Cub for ebikes.
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>>1494339
ya I know they're maintenance pigs and the local ducati shop is cunts but still
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>>1494331
In the future they will get more regulated and you'll most likely need a license for them. As it should be

Shimano Deore M6100. Way better than the SRAM alternatives?
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>>1494132
you actually bothered to sit there and count instead of looking up "CS-M6100" on si.shimano.com?

PS: It's exactly the same tooth count as on the XTR M9100, XT M8100, and SLX M7100 cassettes
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>>1494148
>I bet the chain wears really fast compared to the old system. 8 speed chains last ages. 1X is a con to get people to consume bike parts at a faster rate.

new chains, in fact, last a longer than the old stuff. Way better metalurgy/coatings/etc. Also 1x chainrings with fat steel teeth are IMMORTAL compared to old triples.

the old square taper cartridge BBs were objectively better, tho. I still have a genuine BB-UN91 that'll spin for DAYS

Also, as a longtime 3x9 holdout: 1x is genuinely more fun on a mountain bike. I was shocked at how much mental energy I'd been spending thinking about the state of my drivetrain and how much more I could just relax and enjoy the terrain.
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>>1494132
Yes. It a cheeky 1-upping sram. Although, officially is to keep their "RythymStep" or thereabouts thingy going on.
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>>1494059
I'm fairly certain that front shifting on 1x groups is pretty much the same on both brand's stuff.
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>>1494187
It's a primitive chain catcher.


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