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• Theme: Triangles. Use triangles in composition
• Deadline: October 3.

Triangle, although a simple shape, is a strong compositional element. It gives flow to the image. It is everywhere, often caught unawares to photographer. It can be a visual triangle, a pyramid, it can be only implied by subjects, it can even be vague and only hinted at. Think of compositions tying three dots, three objects, or have even have a whole scene composed of triangles.

Rules:
• Photo must be taken during the timeline. Images taken before this thread was started won't count.
• Post images with exif, if possible.
• Three images max.
• After the competition ends, all valid images will be posted for voting. There will be one vote per anon.

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Just a reminder.

• Deadline: December 3.

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>>3766755
This church shot was from a while ago, so it doesn't count, but it has such an obvious triangular theme that I felt like I should share it anyways.
Here's my real submission

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>>3764313
>criticism welcome
Maybe add a bit of contrast, looks kinda flat for this sort of pic

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For some reason the time/date gets stripped when I upload photos processed in C1. This one is from Nov 20, and >>3767189 is from Nov 26.

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Yo cool car pics, go
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>>3766441

It's motion blur. Try shooting moving cars from another moving car in low light.
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Cubans take really good.car of their cars.

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>>3767037
No shit, and it's unacceptable. You fucked up and should have tried again instead of just accepting your failure.
>muh motion blur
That should be isolated to the wheels and road, not the entire subject. Everyone knows this.
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>>3765262

Strong Rammstein vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio
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>>3767033
it's in my opinion the most photogenic car ever, hard to get a bad shot of it

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Been out of the game for a little while, but my circumstances have changed overnight and I need to upgrade my video capabilities. I'm looking at picking up an EOS R during this Holiday season.

I'd be using it alongside the 2.5k BMCC for corporate videos and the occasional headshot.

You guys are the only ones I trust to tell the cold hard truth. Is there anything I need to be aware of on this model? Any horrible problems or glitchy shit I should know about?

Thanks guys.
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>>3765391
It's got crop video output. Avoid like cancer for video.

https://www.eoshd.com/news/dishonest-misleading-unnecessary-eos-r-and-cropped-4k/

R5/6 are beasts if you can handle cooldown periods. Best iq and rolling shutter performance otherwise. Panasonics have best overall package, either ff S1, S5, S1H, or m43 GH5, GH5s, G9. Fuji's have slightly better iq than m43 Panasonics, but worse features, and some time restriction. Sony's a7sii and siii if you like Snoy, and there's Nikon. Not bad, not special.
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>>3765400
I hate hearing that I should switch platforms, but thank you for your comment. I'll give a good look at your suggestions.
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>>3765400
>It's got crop video output. Avoid like cancer for video.
If you can live with the 4k crop the output is very good. Basically worse in low light and more demanding on glass, but a fucking awesome bit rate that can take extreme grades.

>Fuji's have slightly better iq than m43 Panasonics
X-T3/4 have IQ equal to the best FF's. I don't know wtf Fuji did in their video processing algorithms, but their output is consistently sharp, detailed, gorgeous.
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>>3767149
>X-T3/4 have IQ equal to the best FF's

L O L
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Pretty sure it's awesome for stills if you have money to burn. Otherwise avoid.

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Why would anyone drop 700 bucks on a camera with no viewfinder?

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>>3764994
>>3764927
kek.jpg
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>>3766527
>>3766528

Nice...I actually really like these crops.

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>>3766796
i believe in you, boat shoes ricoanon. also try wearing jeans
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>>3766796
but probably not with boat shoes, necessarily
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>>3765192
>and the EVFs are identical.
They're not. As the other anon stated, the EVF for the XE3 is actually noticeably smaller.

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Military Photography thread. Stuff you've taken or stuff you saw and saved.

Getting ready for my fist deployment and I'm looking for some inspiration

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>>3760978
>>3762301
>>3762303
>>3762305
Nice what spec ops are these guys
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>>3762744
USMC 2d Recon Bn C company
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>>3754520
the government would (have to) pay out the ass for film processing

What's a good EXIF scrubber for Windows 10?

Thanks.

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snipping tool
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>>3765524
irfanview
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just right click go to properties in details and delete stuff
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>>3766303
those can be recovered with EXsnIFfer.
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>>3765524
https://exiftool.org/

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It's fall you fuckers post some fuckin leafs

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>>3766391

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>>3766589

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God what a beautiful board this is
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Perfect camera does not exi---
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>>3763091
>getting triggered by words
Are you actually autistic?
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>>3766466
Dodged a bullet.
>>3766469
>triggered
The only thing that got triggered was my söyboy alert. I'm not helping a söyboy.
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>>3762361
ultra-based
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>>3766466
>a girl on tinder in Arizona
What did she look like?
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>>3763036 >>3763096
olyfags really quiet since this image was posted....

It's going to sweep the holiday season isn't it?
The perfect normie camera
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>>3766852
True :,(

“Why would you buy a camera when phones are now better anyway?”

I’ve heard several guys in their 20s say this. They don’t even know each other. Someone’s going around convincing young people that phones have good cameras :,(
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>>3766858
It was coined there because /v/edditors are too stupid to dodge the filter and the same is true for discord troons.
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>>3766891
They do have good cameras lol, as far as performance is concerned. Creative photography is another matter.
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>>3766891
but phone cameras ARE for the most part better than "real" cameras now. convincing yourself otherwise is cope.
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>>3766916
Let's not get crazy. The sensor tech is more advanced, the cameras as a whole aren't really better. Despite the tech they struggle at low light.

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With the trend of fewer print publications and more digital screens being used, is it better for someone starting out to learn the techniques of videography than photography?

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>>3764965
it has a 19.9MP Super35 Global Shutter CMOS. has there been any cinema CCD cameras?
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>>3766700
You have seen a movie shot with a Sony HDC-750 that had three 2/3" 2MP CCDs. Was it cinematic?
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>>3752639
the death of print is a shame
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>>3766831
It was too expensive and hard to buy for non-city boys.
Even nowadays a popular japanese book from the mid-70's in rough conditions costs as much as a decent lens. Honestly i would only collect them to scan and dump the PDF out there.
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>>3754834
He has said several times it's going to be musical, he has some rad beats but they are for 90's sensibilities.
Lots of house beats and MIDI comedy instruments.

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Old: >>3757162

>All discussion and questions related to gear should take place in this exact thread.
>Redirect other gear-related threads to this thread.
>Remember to be polite.
>This is the thread in which you can be a gearfag.

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How do portable AC power supplies from hardware stores compare to photog specific ones?
What does pee reccomend for running a PC, some occasional stobe use, and such on location?
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>>3767232
>Probably a retarded question, but since they dont have a display are you still able to see how zoomed in the camera is?

The viewfinder displays what the lens sees, so yes
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>>3767232
>I was also wondering about lenses and zooming with a traditional film camera. Probably a retarded question, but since they dont have a display are you still able to see how zoomed in the camera is?
On SLRs yes, on viewfinders no, but zoom lenses are rare.
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NEW THREAD:
>>3767871
>>3767871
>>3767871
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>>3766645
Someone's mad that the A7C wasn't $999

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lets see your best clouds /p
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>>3765057
jazz
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>>3765057
Perfect
Now stop vaping and smoke real cigs
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fat rips yooo
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clean your lens bruddy
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>>3765743
fuck that

Does anyone still has Tatsuo’s video for fujifilm?? Apparently fuji removed it from YouTube...

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>>3766742
that's some heavily edited photo that sold for a few million or something

on topic tho, i kinda want tatsuo's photobook, looks nice
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>>3766747
>tatsuo's photobook, looks nice
It is, you can get his zines too
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>>3766752
oh nice i'll check those out too. love how saturated the pages of the photobook seem to be
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>>3766753
It’s neat, he got it printed on black paper rather than white so it has a very different feeling to it over a lot of photo books I own.
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>>3766759
sick, yeah the zines look good too. he's based never heard of him until this thread

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Hello /p/ I am trying to get into photography to look cool in my pics.

Doing research. Starting with poses. It seems males are really limited by poses, props, and accessories.

The male poses I see recommended by professionals are
>lean
>sit/squat
>slouch
>walking pic
>clothes adjusting

Props/accessories
>watch
>ring
>necklace

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>>3766475
>3766475
It's 2020 for Pete's sake. Just have them do "female" poses.
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ask r/traa
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dude, if you really want to look good in photo, do solid workout (no overtrain, but definitely well past breaking sweat) and take a selfie then

Since most people cant act for shit, this is your best bet to not look like weak and pretending ass bitch
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>>3766475
Take shirt off and flex.

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X-T4
X-T3
XT-20
X-T30
X-E3
X-PRO 2
X-T10
X-PRO 3
x-T200
X-A7
X-T2
What the fuck are all these models??? Which do I pick? I just wanna take pictures that look like film? Which one is the best for film emulation?
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>>3766344
i think he's choking on something. you should go get help
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Black friday is almost here and I'm trying to pick up a new lens for ~$300. My only other lens is 35mm f2. This is all for street photography so the options I'm considering are:
- used fuji 18-55 2.8-4.0
- used fuji 50mm f2
- viltrox 56mm f1.4
- viltrox 23mm f1.4

I'm particularly attracted to the viltrox 56mm and think I could be happy with those two focal lengths for a while, but reports of purple fringing are worrisome to me as a SOOC jpeg shooter who probably will never edit the photos in post. How hard is it to avoid high contrast shots that cause fringing when shooting at night? At day? Out of 1000 shots, how many would you think would be ruined by fringing? Also if you have opinions about any of the above lenses I'd be happy to hear it too
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>>3766535
Ruined? That’s debatable. Imo fringing is something that only pixel peeping photographers talk about, I’ve never seen street photogs care. The 56mm wil give you an 85mm or so equiv which is a decent zoom, but honestly since you’ve already got the 35mm f2 I’d say go for a wide angle for street. I get more use out of a 24 or 28 equiv for street than my Fuji 56mm f1.2, I use that for portraits. Out of what you pick I’d say get the 23mm for a 35mm equiv. That’s my most used focal length for street
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>>3766535
>>3766550
I agree with this anon. There's no need to worry about fringing. You're definitely going to get it if you're shooting in bright light with hard shadows. Nobody besides pixel peepers care. And yeah, for street I'd get a 24mm or something to get you close to a 35mm equivalent. That's goldilocks for street. Honestly, you might be able to get a used Fuji 23mm f/2 for that price range.
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>>3766550
>>3766551
Thanks for assuaging my fringing fears. Regarding focal length, I've found myself wanting zoom more than I have a wider lens on my walkabouts. I like the idea of street portraits where a single subject fills more of the frame, also it'll let me get closer in on layered buildings, things across the street, ducks, etc. Viltrox has a 13mm f1.4 on their roadmap for early 2021 so I might consider that for a third lens depending on how it performs




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