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>>4029356
>>4029479
>>4029480
>>4029481
Jumping spiders are so cute :3
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Found this guy an inch above the carpet on the trim

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Has the dslr achieved perfection yet? The shape has not changed in 15 years. Is there any room for improvement? Or has the tech been completely perfected?
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>>4030401
>The only cope here is from DSLR dinosaurs.
And there it is. Pat yourself on the back for the camera you chose. You're so progressive and special and surely your work is 1,000x better than a dinosaur with a DSLR.

>You will never have blackout free shooting.
Don't care. Blackouts >>>>>> lag and I'm not in the market for an R3 right now, one of only three cameras that don't suffer from continuous shooting EVF lag. It's a great fucking camera and I'm sure it's really nice to shoot with, but what I've got doesn't hinder me from the sports/wildlife/action shots I want at all, so I'm fine.

>the time where the AF sensor is useless.
I don't need it to be useful during blackout as long as it catches up with the mirror down. It does.

>Your DSLR in OVF mode will never even match the Sony A9's (released 2017, updated with eye AF and real time tracking) tracking performance.
Distance tracking? It absolutely matches any mirrorless. Keeping an AF point on the subject? I'm sure letting a computer handle this is convenient but I have no trouble doing it myself.

>You will forever cope and seethe that your outdated tech has been replaced
I couldn't give a fuck. I corrected you on a false technical claim and now you're going off on a butthurt child rant about "muh progress muh dinosaurs!" Who made your mirrorless? Sony? Sony will never love you no matter how many forum posts you make about the vast superiority of your shiny new mirrorless bought on a credit card. You can get a million dinosaurs to switch and you will still die alone. Sony won't be there to hold your hand or tell you that you're loved.
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>>4030420
>I corrected you on a false technical claim
Where? This one?
>>4030305
>>autofocus improvements that mirrorless cameras make could be integrated into DSLRs as well
>>Not if you're using the OVF.
>Yes if you're using the OVF. You just need an imaging sensor where the AE sensor would traditionally go.
You cannot get the AF performance of a mirrorless if you are using an OVF with a slapping mirror that prevents AF ~20ms every frame. For the 1DXMIII at max speed this would be 16fps*20ms per second which is 320ms per second where the AF CANNOT function. The R3 can do 60fps AF and tracking calculations per second while the Z9 can do 120fps. A DSLR is PHYSICALLY unable to match this as it wastes ~32% of every second flapping a mirror and is unable to AF during that time. Even if the DSLR can do 200fps AF calculation it still cannot account for the ~32% of info it cannot see due to the mirror flap.
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>>4030375
>Admits DSLR is dead & irrelevant
>Tries to claim that features we had 6 years ago on mirrorless might one day come to DSLR
>Thinks af from the 80's works on the same principles as af on a modern DSLR

That about wraps you up bud.

>>4030420
>Ovf = no lag
The shutter lag on a d800 is longer than the shutter lag + evf lag combined on an a7ii, let alone something relevant.

>It is as good at af as mirrorless, no I've never used an a1 or an a9, but I'm sure my dinosaur is better >:(

Yikes, copium.


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>>4030160
Perfection was reached in the D40
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>>4030160
Yes, the D850

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Is it possible to achieve good photography with a 100€ camera? If so, what is a good choice?
t. poorfag in search of a new hobby
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>>4027932
>you can get a bnw dev kit for 50 dollars.

Good idea although in reality a basic film development kit is going to cost you $100 and a basic film scanner is going to cost you at least $150. So $250 total. If you want to get photos that are similar in quality to lab scans then you need to spend more on a scanner so think at least $500 total investment. At $500 you are better off giving your film to a lab until you reach the point where you are shooting more than 10 135 rolls a month.
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>>4029372
Not 100€ and sensor doesn't matter if he's going to showcase images at 1080px long, he only needs to check if the denoising inside the camera is good or not.
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>>4029625
>Not 100€
can be found lower than that, i found mine in shit shape for 80€

also its going to be the same denoising since its same era sony
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>>4029623
A Patterson is $30, tf-5 is $15, liquid developers run around $10 but you can splurge on hc110 for $35 if you want and get as many uses as rodinal with slightly less grain. The scanner is the problem but a used v600 is $189 all day on eBay.
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>>4021985
is that sam hyde? what the fuck

Hey /p/

While I was shooting portraits of my friend, he seemed fascinated with this whole photography thing I was doing, especially the fact that it's film.

He said he wanted to get into photography as well and asked me to suggest him a camera and lens.

I mentioned that a guy I just bought a used telephoto lens also sells a Minolta X-700, with a 50mm lens.

Do you guys think this camera is good for beginners? I'm asking this because it has a Program and Aperture Priority mode, and he has absolutely zero knowledge of the exposure triangle. Isn't it like learning to drive in an automatic transmission a bit?

That is - of course - if he's stupid enough to use these modes while he has no idea what he's doing. Still, I'm wondering if this is a good camera to learn on. What do you think?
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>>4031676
fuck you take photos stop being a pussy
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>>4031676
>thinking that means it somehow doesn't apply to you
piss off and take some photos faggot
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>>4031656
>maybe in rich places like the usa, not in normal countries
spectacular cope
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>>4032241
Not him but it's true, film stayed cheaper for a bit longer in poor countries. My aunt had a 2MP Canon ELPH S200 she got on a trip to the US and it was quite the exotic thing back then.
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>>4032241
my local supermarket still had a film development shop until 2012
A lot of people i knew didn't like digital and thought it was just for journalists, wildlife shooters and families

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Another myth busted. It turns out resolving power of the lenses is meme. As long as you give it enough megapixels, even micro four thirds lens will easily outresolve bulky overpriced FF cameras and lenses. How will full framers recover from this?

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>>4032468
>>4032444
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Already mad over a lens not even out yet, damn MFT insecurity really is something else
>>4032487
Don’t care desu, image samples look good to me.
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>>4032461
I zoomed and it still looks good. This abomination here is 16MP.
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>>4032497
>Don’t care
clearly, lmao
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>>4032510
You literally do not need more than this

Got this for £100 and it’s pretty nice. I’m struggling to get as nice colours out of it compared with my X-T2 though….

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>>4032805
pic related
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>>4032784
Thom Hogan seems to expect z6/7 iii announcement for later this year and he does have some industry connections so it's not entirely baseless.
On sony side they have a fast pace release schedule and there's already a7rv spec rumours around.
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>>4032509
>weight
heavy but manageable, certainly not a lens to carry around all day
>af speed
slow, probably won't be good enough to track subjects in movement like kids or animals, but I'm only going to use it for still subjects so whatever
>af noise during video
forget it, this uses the old screw motor and whirrs too much
>low light
unless you have a stabilized body or godly technique, wouldn't recommend. I was shooting a bit yday from the balcony on a cloudy afternoon and was having a hard time getting sharp shots even at f/4 without bumping the ISO, will need to work on it
>loca
apparently it's a problem with high contrast subjects, but I haven't really seen any so far, just be mindful of your subject and composition I guess. I doubt it will be worse than the 180/2.8, that thing was ridiculously prone to it on digital
>close focusing
2.5m min focus, forget it. I hear it's decent with extension rings or if you pop in a raynox close focus filter, will try it one day that I'm not super depressed and actually want to leave the house
>handheld
doable, but good technique is required

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>>4033030
Quick album with some photos from yesterday, you can see some green/magenta fringing in there at 1:1 if you're paying attention, but not a deal breaker for me at least
https://imgur.com/a/W1jfD0c
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pls help me im getting really interested in cameras. Like I cant stop thinking about lenses and I frame photos in my mind everywhere I go. Its too interesting.

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>when he only shoots with prime lenses
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>>4032356
let me guess, mft or aps-c shooter huh
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>>4032357
indeed how'd you know?
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>nikon shooter
>only shoot on sharp, fast, characterful primes from the 90's-00's
>don't think about gear beyond looking at ebay for old AF-D primes
life is good
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what do I shoot to make women completely disgusted by me and want to report me to the authorities?
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>>4032465
70-200 through their window, or a 21 and flash on the street

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The Medium Format Users Have Their Own General So We Won't Be Any Worse.
All 36x24mm users congregate here, its time for a standard sensor format thread!

I recently purchased a D700, I'm about to min/max my film photography by getting the ultimate scanning machine and photo creator.

Post your Full Frame experiences here and share your knowledge.

Community links:
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/cheapest-full-frame-camera
https://electronics.sony.com/imaging/interchangeable-lens-cameras/c/full-frame
https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/1x.htm
https://digital-photography-school.com/is-it-time-to-go-full-frame-weight-these-pros-and-cons-before-you-decide/

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>>4032436
>he fell for the manual meme
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>>4032433
>D7000
>FF
???
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Should I get Pentax K-1 or wait for another Pentax full frame?
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>>4032433
What are you even complaining about here? That the camera has a scene and auto mode?
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>>4032463
If you need a camera and believe that X is the best currently available for you then you should get X. If you don't need a camera you should not get X or worry about future Y.

Just got back from a photo walk and after 3 hours I did not take a single photo.

That is all.
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>>4031727
Don't you have a card reader?
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>>4031803
Yeah the tree annoys me aswell

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>>4032071
just get rid of it lol

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>>4032106
Damn bro, that's a great edit
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>>4031722
Based. You're following in the fine tradition of this nest of hateful argumentative gearfag cocksuckers.

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I'm looking for a camera to replace my RX100 V because I hate it, but I'm in a quandary. Any camera that would be a substantial upgrade costs so much that I wouldn't be comfortable taking it outside and actually using it.
But then to upgrade to a camera I'd take outside costs nearly as much as an interchangeable lens one, so I feel like I'm wasting money.
What fuckin do?
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>>4032286
Did you mean Occupied Palestine you fucking jew
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>>4032288
ok white girl who supports le current thing
it was israel before palestine
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>>4032291
Enough. I will no hear no more of this Hebrew nonsense.
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>>4031427
>ctrl+f
>infetterence
>no results
i am disappoint
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>>4032190
And Fuji makes cosmetics
>Immediate deep penetration power
Fuji sisters, what do you mean by this?

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Should I buy this for hobby use?

It seems objectively good for something 5 years old and I can get it at a good price. Pictures use only not video. 0 interest in mirrorless.
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>>4032027
†bh anon the FF lenses really aren't much different from the apscka ones
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>>4031129
great photo, anon
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>>4032280
thanks friend, it makes me feel all christmasy and warm
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>>4031129
Which lens did you use?
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>>4032428
That was my 100mm prime Pentax FA

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fucking hell lads why is photography so expensive
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So glad I'm not a poorfag. But those $13,000 lenses do make me wince not gonna lie .
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>>4027780
Getting into photography has never at any point in history been cheaper. You have a plethora of digital cameras available going back 15 years now. There is fundamentally no reason to buy a brand new camera today. If you want to buy a new latest gen digital camera today you end up paying a 2x to 6x markup on what you can get on the used market, referring to cameras from just a few generations ago. The only reason people spend big bucks for new cameras is to satiate their ego, or if you are working professionally and you can justify having the new thing out.

For the most part, what people don't realise is that most camera manufacturers have at this point run out of ideas to make their cameras technically any better. Camera tech has basically reached its peak. Camera companies are simply now just rehashing the same thing over and over again but calling it by a new name. The move to mirrorless is a good example.
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>>4028985
Because they use plastic in the lens elements and the only metric they aim to optimise is sharpness, which leads to no micro contrast and horrible rendering.
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>>4032351
>no micro contrast
not a real thing, sorry you fell for the meme
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>>4032335
>Getting into photography has never at any point in history been cheaper
This unironically. Just go to the canon museum and check how much bodies and lenses cost in the past when adjusted for inflation.

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The photobook as a medium is dead.

But, what killed it?
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>>4027059
Cameras have reached a point where they are doing a lot of heavy lifting for people who’s photos would probably suck if they actually had to depend on themselves knowing the camera
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>>4023837
The photobook is not dead. Plenty of professional photographers publish their work in photobooks. See photo attached... that sold out immediately.

It's rather the case that people have transitioned from physical photo books to digital photo frames.

In reality people will end up loosing their precious digital photos due to the inherent problems of longterm digital hardware storage and incompatible or corrupt software. It's then at that point where people will ask themselves what alternatives exist to better hold onto their photos. The conclusion will be to go physical by printing photos (digital or film) and making physical family photo albums again aka photobooks.

It really is unfortunate that essentially an entire generation's worth of photos will be forever lost due to the transition from film to digital. And no one will recognise it as a problem until it is too late.
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Forgot the photo attached.
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>>4029519
uhh but that...
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>>4029518
>incompatible software
>to display jpegs
nah

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Why do you take photos? Do you do it for a living?
Do you display your photos somewhere or do they just collect dust on a hard drive?
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>>4029527
>if you feel like you don't have the inclination to pick up drawing, or painting, or sculpting or one of the other arts.
I personally put it under crafts like basket weaving or something utilitarian for people who otherwise have no creative outlet. Unless you're making darkroom prints, that's a physical object.
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>>4022519
>>4022542
I'm sorry but the original is so much better
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>>4020803
i love taking pictures, and that's about it

never cared much about my subjects except when taking pictures, that's when i get into flow with things around myself and really enjoy their presence

i tried doing it for a living but money was not enough to support myself and photography as a hobby, probably related to the fact that i was poor for 3rd world country standard
my current job/career gets me enough money so i can take pics as a hobby

i had my pictures displayed in museums and local art galleries when i was doing it professionally; even though it did command nice prices, it was rather erratic as income source so i quit; nonetheless it was pleasing to be able to show and get feedback on my pics from curators and very dear photographers such as sebastião salgado
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>>4024918
kinoko tiekoku
nakadashi
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>>4020803
Photography and motion pictures are an obsession for me. I blame it on having aspergers and being within the top 99th percentile aka the top 1 percent of of people for visual spatial reasoning.

>Can buy camera from the 1950s today and it works just fine, durability was a selling point for the time. Manufacturers released schematics on how to repair them.
>Digital cameras today maybe last 10 years if not kept well, longer if babied. If the electronics die the only way to repair is to gut the electronics from another camera. Manufacturers never release any repair documents to 3rd parties.
>Lenses have also taken this path
Why did repairability, and especially durability become unimportant to photographers?

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>>4028248
>photographers decide how greedy manufacturers are
sorry what?
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>>4028775
Mechanical cameras require spares sometimes, if you cant get one, you'll have to make one, and now youre in the same pickle as in a digital camera repair.

Meanwhile digital cameras might require board repair, which is actually pretty easy compared to sourcing a 50 year old spare without gutting another camera because electrical components are off the shelf parts.

So they're about on par with eachother, just two different types of repairs.
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I'm lucky to have the service manual for my digital camera, at least I can do some minor repairs by myself

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>tfw unicorn shaped Lion battery was discontinued over a decade ago
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>>4028248
>Can buy camera from the 1950s today and it works just fine
Survivorship bias. The cameras from the 1950s that still work fine today are the ones that were high end and built like tanks and/or babied.

E.g., that Nikon F in the op pic was released in 1959 for a price of $329. With inflation, that's around $3200 today. If you buy a $3200 camera today, it'll probably hold up pretty well, too.

If you actually spend a significant amount of time scrounging flea markets, thrift stores, and antique malls for old cameras, you'll quickly discover that while SOME old cameras that were well taken care of are still in great condition, there are just as many with gummed up and unusable shutters, corroded battery compartments, dead light meters, etc. And if you're looking at the old folding cameras, good luck finding one with an intact bellows and a shutter that'll fire, much less fire at the requested speed.

It's true that modern cameras are less repairable, but it's not because repairability has become unimportant to photographers; it's because other things have become more important to photographers and they're mutually exclusive. You can't have an all mechanical camera without sensitive electronics that also has the full set of autoexposure modes, autofocus, bracketing, motor drive, etc. If I have to choose between a camera where I'll definitely get the shot today and a camera where I'll probably miss the shot but where I'll still be able to miss the shot with it equally well in 20 years, I'm going to go with the former.




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