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Nikon Z5 with kit lens for family photography for 1250 EUR - cop or not? I really like that it’s a full fledged camera and not a Gimp like the eos rp. On the other hand, the Nikon lenses are pretty expensive, and quite ugly. What else for this money?

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>>3865736
Please advise. Thank you!
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>>3865736
F mount glass (as well as EF) is legacy garbage though. it's cheap because it's superceded and out of production. the stuff you're buying is faded dreams and deceased estates of boomers.
it doesn't make sense to me to buy a contemporary modern body and then slap ancient shit on it, hacked to work through stupid adapters, even if they are oem. just buy an old f-mount body then and save your scheckles.
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>>3865736
>you can use the FTZ adapter and use the huge array of F mount glass which is at a reasonable price at the moment.

You really don't want to fuck around with adapters just to save a little on the lenses. Adapters are there for people that already have lenses, it's always better to buy native lenses for the mount. After all, native lenses are designed from the ground up with the smallest flange distance that mirrorless offers over dslr. You can look at the new XF 70-300mm with 1.4 tc for comparable price point and reach. Though, I'd also consider mft over both. With, either Olympus or Leica 100-400mm.
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>>3865736

This >>3865804

Also, Fujis lens selection is actually pretty amazing and will only get better this year and beyond with Fuji likely being friendlier to third party makers, you can also buy amazing Fuji lenses cheap second hand like the 18-55 f2.8-4 which is probably the greatest kit lens ever made
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>>3865826
Also Fujis lenses are on par with leica in terms of build and picture quality

It's hazy season in my country and all the landscapes have disappeared because of all the fucking hot humidity and it won't go away until rainy season comes in 2 months, I still have 28 shots left in my roll. What subjects make interesting photos without having to go far from home? Also, I live in a third world shithole so my camera may get stolen if I take it out in public.
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>>3865552
haziness on film looks cool imo
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>>3865560
Sometimes, maybe I'll go shoot the city on a sunday afternoon, but otherwise this shit is annoying because there are a lot of great views where I live and they're all fogged and practically blocked now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfiKk4wxiVM

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>>3865552
>It's hazy season in my country and all
You knew it was coming, you've only got yourself to blame. Try rethinking the way you work instead of being a whiney little bitch.
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>>3865552
Abandon infinity. Focus on close to mid range subject. Haze can make good background. Then you have mornings, evening, rain, fog and inversions that can help as well.

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• Theme: Flowers
• Deadline: From March 31 to April 13

Take photographs of flowers.

Rules:
• Photo must be taken during the timeline. Images taken before this thread was started won't count.
• Post images with exif, if possible. If you can't, just state that they were taken during the timeline.
• Three entries per photographer max.
• After the competition ends, all valid images will be posted for voting. There will be one vote per anon.

Optional:
• You're encouraged to post your images that fit the theme even if they're out of competition.
• You may title your images if you wish.
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>>3862943
Results and winner of [Photo Challenge 8]. Nice influx of votes on the last day.

https://strawpoll.com/rk5opc4eb/r
First place: Creative Shelving - https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616212949382.jpg
Tie for 2nd place: https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616217967596.jpg , https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616375508661.jpg, https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616757143247.jpg, https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616877260659.jpg
Tie for 3rd place: https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616217859660.jpg , https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616756214511.jpg , https://i.4cdn.org/p/1616756313859.jpg
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VOTING is open for Photo Challenge 9 winner here:

https://strawpoll.com/r6a9cau11

Entry List (1/2):
Daisy-1: >>3851632 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617154976376.jpg
High Contrast: >>3852472 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617246995289.jpg
Narcisus Against the Sun: >>3852519 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617251749495.jpg
White Against the Blue: >>3852933 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617304742925.jpg
Daffodils in RNI Films: >>3853011 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617311079182.jpg
Bloomin at Night With Bridge: >>3853125 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617320036115.jpg
Bloomin at Night With Lanterns: >>3853126 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617320097533.jpg
Bloomin at Night With Lanterns and Bridge: >>3853127 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617320164579.jpg
Teletree in Pink: >>3854636 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617521391677.jpg
Accelerated Growth: >>3854868 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1617550118727.jpg

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>>3864062
Entry List (2/2):

Blooming in Violet nad Pink Hue: >>3860193 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618024243700.jpg
Next to a 69 Sign: >>3860392 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618063259659.jpg
Overcast Pink: >>3860623 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618081113653.jpg
Small Little Ones: >>3861712 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618187049050.jpg
Of Ground and Flowers: >>3861713 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618187506657.jpg
Ethereal Azalea: >>3862127 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618232727247.jpg
Second One With No Title: >>3862183 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618237224865.jpg
White Beige Daffodil: >>3862306 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618249908276.jpg
White Beige Daffodil v2: >>3862703 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618289277137.jpg
Three Light Blue Flowers: >>3862321 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618250885806.jpg
One Light Blue Flower: >>3862322 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618251251656.jpg
Against Blue Sky: >>3863146 https://i.4cdn.org/p/1618340217054.jpg

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>>3861710
Forgot the title for that one.
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I wish there was a way to have more votes. I kinda really like the idea behind things like this one: >>3854868

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Do photographers use flat profiles just like filmmakers? Is there a cinestyle for photography or something??
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>>3864891
You're a dumbass not getting raw format...

Here's explanation for dumb dumbs like you. Raw file gets graded as soon as you open it lightroom or capture one, or any other raw editor. For lightroom, and for many other editors you can not turn the grade off. This has nothing to do with Fuji, it's the same for all manufacturers. Log is something completely different. It's intended use is optimising dynamic range for shooting video in lossy formats, ie. everything that's not raw. When camera is capable of raw video, there are no benefits of shooting in log, save from smaller file sizes.
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>>3864752
/thread/
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>>3865325
>save from smaller file sizes.
Bingo, I thought you'd never get it fujifag.
RAW video is a pain to deal with, specially from the formats seen in hybrid cameras. It slows down production, sometimes to a halt.
Which is fine if you don't have a schedule, but if you do, then log is your friend.
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>>3865793
read the thread name again then
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>>3865794
You win this time...

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>Drop out of Uni for 3 years
>Get interested in photography
>Depression was at its best cause my head was a mess and i've never felt more lost in my life
>Getting realy good at b&w photography
>Hated sunny and ''happy'' themes
>Always capturing moody frames
>sad portraits,dark alleys etc
>Going strong for 3 years
>Decide to get my sht together and go back to Uni
>Dslr mostly gathering dust and used extremelly rare
Is it possible that i used photography as a distraction?These days,even when i try,i cant go near to the frames i was capturing back then.
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>Does depression make you a better artist
no. It just makes you want to do nothing and no ideas come to mind at all
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>>3863670
I like this a lot. Pls post more depressioncore
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>>3863543
Yeah maybe it's all that stuff that you said.

Or maybe you just had more time.
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Photography cured my depression and is the one thing i look forward to the most while I work, why did you left your camera in the dust?
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>>3865685
Does this count?

Hi guys!
Some weeks ago i posted about a guy on facebook getting white orbs (pic related) on his scans (he thaught it was from him messing up the developing)

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>>3863811
Yes but how do you get orbs in multiple frames without the film moving inside the canister? Why isnt it exposing while the roll is wound, only when its stationary?
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>>3865547
Because the roll is in a camera (light tight box)
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>>3865554
So how are the orbs in multiple different frames
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>>3865645
the light hit them before putting them in the camera
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>>3865652
So multiple punctures?

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Besides being a product for poorfags, literally what reason is there to buying a DSLR in 2021?
The technology in DSLRs is ancient and there's nothing they have that a mirrorless doesn't have and do better.
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>>3865800
>OVFs are nicer to work with and battery life is observably better.
(continued from >>3865854 because I'm a wordy bitch)
OVFs are nicer *for some people*, and OVFs are nicer *for now*. Personally, I prefer my X-T1's EVF to the OVFs on my DSLRs. I'm pretty meh on Sony's EVFs. Eventually, the refresh rate will get high enough and the resolution will get high enough that you'll have an extremely difficult time telling whether you're looking at an EVF or an OVF.

DSLR battery life is observably better *for now*. Battery life keeps getting better, both because battery technology gets better and sensor/processor technology gets more efficient. Eventually, there will come a point where mirrorless cameras have the same battery life as current DSLRs, at which point it doesn't really matter if future DSLRs are better because current DSLRs' battery life is more than enough for most situations (except maybe really long hikes where you have zero opportunity to recharge for several days).

Same thing with my other big complaint against mirrorless, which you didn't bring up, which is that they take longer to go from off to having-taken-a-picture. Processors are gonna get faster; sensors are gonna get faster; eventually they'll get it so fast that you can't tell there's a startup time. They'll probably even figure out how to detect when you're raising a camera to your eye more elegantly than the "Look for a shadow over the viewfinder" method make it so everything's on and ready before you decide to take a shot.

The disadvantages of DSLRs are intrinsic to the design. The disadvantages of mirrorless cameras are things we can chip away at over time with better tech.
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>>3865854
>>No. Those things were revolutionary in their impact. Mirrorless cameras are very much evolutionary.
>Were they, though?
Each one made certain types of photography possible which were previously extremely difficult or impossible.

>Mirrorless lets you preview your exact exposure in real time, with any filters you want.
This is really over played. You can typically spot meter as fast as you can judge the EVF and adjust, and most people are using AE most of the time any way. And that's coming from someone who admits that exp preview is a really natural way to work with full manual exposure (though I still hate EVFs).

>It lets you do things like focus-on-a-bird's-eye autofocus.
An evolution of AF tracking a moving subject which works for essentially all scenarios. (Who is shooting birds close up with f/1.2 primes?)

>It lets you have video-levels of FPS for still photos.
We were already nearly there with DSLRs. If you can't get a good shot at 16 fps...
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>>3865860
>(continued from >>3865854 because I'm a wordy bitch)
>OVFs are nicer *for some people*, and OVFs are nicer *for now*. Personally, I prefer my X-T1's EVF to the OVFs on my DSLRs.
EVFs have shit color, contrast, DR, can be grainy (newer ones are solving that), and are laggy as fuck at night and under continuous shooting. But they do give you exp preview and some cool on screen tools. In any case, they are not revolutionary.

>Eventually, the refresh rate will get high enough and the resolution will get high enough that you'll have an extremely difficult time telling whether you're looking at an EVF or an OVF.
The non-shooting refresh rate is not the issue.

>The disadvantages of DSLRs are intrinsic to the design.
The only real disadvantage is that you can't do any type of preview of the shot with digital processing, and you probably can't exceed 20 fps without a fixed translucent mirror. Other than that there really is zero difference between them, but mirrorless fags act like mirrorless is the beginning of photography and if you're still shooting an SLR you're hopelessly outmatched.

It's tiring.
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>>3865875
An evolution of AF tracking a moving subject which ALREADY works for essentially all scenarios
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>>3865779
>Not even any rumors of upcoming DSLRs
Nikon still has a couple lenses planned for F mount as well as a D850 successor.

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Which software apps do you guys use to edit photos.
List 'em - apps and operating systems

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>>3865143
Capture 1, Lightroom, Photoshop, Affinity Photo, Darktable, Premiere Pro, After Effects, Total Commander and Fast Stone for quick resizing, renaming, and cropping. Oh, and also Irfanview for one obscure old photoshop plugin that doesn't work on anything else.
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>>3865387
>Kali Linux
are you underage?
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>>3865146
Dark table is beter than rawtherapee.
rest I agree with.
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>>3865442
He must be. Why else one would use debian based distro.
Kali comes with useful tools though.
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>>3865718
you agree with what? that he uses certain apps? retard

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>bought DSLR with 18-140mm
>bought 35mm
>bought 70-300mm
>don't take any pictures for the entire winter because my camera says not to use it under freezing and it's routinely well below 0 degrees F here
I'm back to taking pics again bros but how do I take pics in the winter?
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>>3862409
>camera says not to use it under freezing
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>>3864646
>>camera says not to use it under freezing
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>>3864649
>>>camera says not to use it under freezing
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>>3864651
wew the 645Z is rugged too? nice to know, not that I would use MF without movements for landscape though
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>>3862430
You can use that in antarctic.
I use mine at -20C and it is fine.

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Should i just get an xpan or a MF camera and just crop in?

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Yes
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>>3865722
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/video/buying-guide/full-frame-cinema-the-next-frontier

Here u go u fucking nigger. Dont play smart like you know something the entire industry doesnt. M43 and aps were used because of technological handicaps. Meanwhile technology marches on

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>>3865722
https://www.arri.com/en/camera-systems/cameras/alexa-mini-lf

Look at all the new cine cameras released by arri and sony.
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>>3865722
https://www.red.com/komodo

Youre such a fucking nigger for thinking m43 is a special format for video when in reality it was a necessity due to unbalanced tech

Now look at the RED camera lines

https://www.red.com/komodo
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>>3865722
Retard

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digital-cinema-cameras/venice

How long to wait between buying camera bodies? 5 years?

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who is this semen demon?
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>>3864221
Hell yea

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>>3864379
what camera would you choose?
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>>3864353
First time that I realize people would think I'm a millenial
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>>3865601
The one you'll have with you.

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Where does /p go to find beautiful imagery online

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>>3864940
DXO
Yes, charts are beautiful, fuck you
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Flickr
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>>3864940
boards.4channel.org/p/, of course!
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>>3864940
If you wish to steal shit then go to 500px.
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>>3864940
I just look at my own pictures lol

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I get why people don't like to admit it, but Tri-X is a crutch.
It's what you grab when you don't have the elements for a truly striking photograph.
Those who aren't hacks use T-Max instead.
This will get me a lot of flak but someone had to say it.
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>>3865445
bait but, I like this film a lot
It's extremely versatile, I would say it is one of the GOAT's
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>tfw somoene unironically agrees with your bait thread
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There is only one choice for the true chad

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>>3865445
> I get why people don't like to admit it, but LiveView is a crutch.
>It's what you grab when you don't have the elements for a truly striking photograph.
>Those who aren't hacks use OVF instead.

>I get why people don't like to admit it, but DSLRs are crutch.
>It's what you grab when you don't have the elements for a truly striking photograph.
>Those who aren't hacks use film instead.

> I get why people don't like to admit it, but Tri-X is a crutch.
>It's what you grab when you don't have the elements for a truly striking photograph.
>Those who aren't hacks use T-Max instead.
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>>3865650
based

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Get in here brothers, need your advice on whether it's worth upgading to the new a7R IIIa from my A7R III?

>The most notable change is a dramatic upgrade to the rear LCD resolution, which jumps from 1,440,000 dots to 2,359,296 dots. Two other changes come to both cameras as well: The Sony logo under the LCD monitor has been removed, and the USB port has been upgraded to USB 3.2 “SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps.”
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>>3865076
So what is literally stopping someone from just getting the better LCD screen and replacing it on their A7Riii with the 'a' model's screen? That literally seems to be the only difference.
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>>3865396
The screen is fed signal by a circuit board, you can't just swap screens most of the time. Maybe it could work, but chances are it wouldn't.
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>>3865076
we should all ask Sony if we can pay more for their cameras. they are a gift to photo
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My camera doesn't have a screen
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>>3865212
Not sure Sony expects people to upgrade. They probably just slightly upgraded the production design for models that still sell because it was easily possible and an advantage to new buyers?

>>3865421
> they are a gift to photo
They certainly un-stagnated the market quite a lot.

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What is this sort of red/green/blue lens flare called, and why does it occur?

Subject of the image is the Buran, a Soviet Space Shuttle. So probably taken with a Soviet camera/lens in the late 80s, if that helps.
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>>3865530
>Image is way too sharp for that
those produce the sharpest images out there tho
>It's definitely diffraction of light as it's showing up on white light sources how regular and perfect it is is quite interesting thought as I have a diffraction filter and the results weren't this good
It's Soviet diffractive optics at work. They got some advanced tech from the Germans after WWII that hasn't been matched today yet.
Canon's DO lenses operate on a similar principle but they haven't managed to get as good yet.
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to the people talking about tube/video/tv cameras... could such cameras in the 80s really produce still-image quality photographs like this?
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>>3865596
of course
don't mistake video for VHS
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>>3865621
What medium would likely be used for storage in this case?
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>>3865624
Betacam at the very least, who knows what the Russians had though




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