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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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I've always been highly critical of Rand, but her position on abortion really makes sense to me. Thoughts?

>Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a “right to life.” A piece of protoplasm has no rights—and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate apotentialwith anactual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone’s benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings.
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Most abortions are carried out by third worlders....but hey let's ban them because we clearly need more of those.
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>>14043289
God I wish I could rape your wife so you would be stuck with the logical, physical consequence of the point you're trying to make
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>>14043133
>What if you got pregnant from rape? What if you got pregnant by choice but your partner dies, making it impossible for you to support the baby? What if the baby is diagnosed with Down syndrome? (If you want to reply that foetuses with Down syndrome are an exception and can be aborted, then you are also for killing adult downies if your anti-abortion discourse is to be followed consequently)
Let them have the chance to be adopted. If they want to die let them kill themselves.
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>>14043502
I believe that religion is a fundamental human concept, especially Catholicism. It is the code in the computer simulation we live in. You can't escape God in this dimension
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>>14043323
Oh no, that job is more important than that baby. What a joke.

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What is the most calming, perhaps meditatively repetitive, literature you know? Can be fiction or non-fiction. Stuff with nature and/or spiritual themes would be cool. For me, I find lofi music to be the musical equivalent of what I find to be comfy.

For me, I also liked Masanobu Fukuoka's the One Straw Revolution and The Way of the Pilgrim. Both of those were really comfy, pleasant reads. I found Crime and Punishment to be comfy in a really weird way as well. I enjoyed the way the city was described.
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>>14042984
I feel like there are some pretty sad and unsettling themes in those books. Any reason why you found them to be comfy?
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>>14042911
I'll be hated for this but Agatha Christi's novels are top comfy for me.
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“One does not argue about The Wind in the Willows. The young man gives it to the girl with whom he is in love, and, if she does not like it, asks her to return his letters. The older man tries it on his nephew, and alters his will accordingly. The book is a test of character. We can't criticize it, because it is criticizing us. But I must give you one word of warning. When you sit down to it, don't be so ridiculous as to suppose that you are sitting in judgment on my taste, or on the art of Kenneth Grahame. You are merely sitting in judgment on yourself. You may be worthy: I don't know, But it is you who are on trial.” --A.A. Milne
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>>14042911
Narcissus and Goldmouth by Hermann Hesse. But it's a long time ago, I have to read it again.
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Just from glancing at the books on my right:
The Narrow Road to the Deep North
Invisible Cities
Kappa
The Miner
Moby-Dick
Ten Nights Dreaming
Night on the Galactic Railroad

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Everyone loves to discuss Guenon on here, but no one actually discusses how one is supposed to implement what he said. How on earth does one pick out of the manifold traditions. Romanticism can set you off course. Internal corruption in the tradition can set you off course. Sentimentalism can set you off course. Cultural misunderstanding can set you off course. With all of these put together, I feel like I would never find the right tradition.

Guenon and Schuon just say, pick a tradition bro, but it seems so incredibly hard to me. Hinduism is not proper for a westerner. Buddhism is extremely dubious in the west and if there are traditional lineages, they are not easy to find. One may say that Buddhism is not proper to the active mindset of the westerner either, although some will debate. Any pagan, pythagorean, egyptian, etc tradition is dead with no living lineage. Daoism seems heavily corrupted by communist influence. Western Catholicism seems corrupted and Eastern Orthodoxy nearly as much, with much less influenced being placed on spirituality and more on ethics/pragmatic matters as the years go by. Native American or Zoroastrian spirituality isn't for those who aren't born into it. Islam has degenerated rapidly from when Guenon wrote and valid Sufi orders are growing rarer by the day (unless you live in some middle eastern country)

With all this being said, it truly seems like the modern man has no spiritual home, especially in the west. I love reading Schuon, Guenon, Eliade etc. but it seems as if they all fail to provide a concrete way by which someone can actually attain the things they speak of.
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>>14040538
>he could be a part of any tradition
>chose divorce-protestantism because his parents did it
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>>14038699
>pick
>tradition
that's not how it works, anon
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>>14043208
Tradition is not about friendship, nor comunity group, nor to find a wife, not even to not be alone. It's only convenient to stay in your parents religion if you don't want to be questioned and swallow whatever your parents wanted for you. I should point that individuals such as Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad didn't follow their parents religion. They created their own. We don't need to create a religion (it's not a fashion) but it's not a big leap to be able to choose the tradition you believe, wether it's the same or different from your parents.
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spinozism
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>>14043157
That makes no sense.

Goodreads thread?
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>>14036232
It's almost universally true that if a person hasn't suffered they'll be shitty, low-quality, boring people, as seen here.
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On Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit
Can't say I disagree
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What happens when you read the Seducer's diary without the full context of Either/Or.
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>>14036822
No but the idea of a boomer calling like a 200 page book a "tome" is really on the nose
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>>14032167

Imagine employing modern liberal thought to an ancient scholar. I'm not even Christian and I have heaps of time for Augustine.

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How do I bring up Whitehead and Parmenides in a regular conversation to impress normalfags? Got any ideas?
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Just wait until the topic of retroactive refutations comes up naturally.
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>>14043424
I'd prefer for Whitehead to come up somehow. Maybe something about a white head. Ideas?
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Bring up Whitehead when someone talks about anything changing.
>Yeah, so there really is a whole process to this pineal gland decalcification. Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on Process Philosophy?
>>oh what's that anonkun?
>Well it all was retroactively refuted by a Greek man with an Italian cheese name...
works every time

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>get a life
Books on how to have a life?
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>>14042060

RIP Terry Davis
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>>14042060
The Bible
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>>14042060
I miss him
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>>14042060
Jung

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Write what's on your mind
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Please email me back.
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My doorbell just rang even though nobody was there. Spoopy ghost shit is afoot.
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>>14043465
sent ;)
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>>14043530
Dick Laurent is dead
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This girl that sits next to me always smells bad but today she smells like literal shit.

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MATTER'S PHASE-STATES ARE HOMOLOGOUS WITH THE CHAIN OF BEING: INCELS ARE FRUSTRATED MANICHAEAN DEMONS, BEING IS A KLEIN BOTTLE STOMACH, ONLY PNEUMATICS JUSTIFY THE TROGOAUTOEGOCRAT AND IT WAS THE SUBJECT AS POSITIVE SEAM THAT PUNCTURED GOD'S SPHERE OF LOVE ON THE 8TH DAY: how do we articulate an extropic idea of the Good that isn't basically a messiah of heat death: one that identifies evil not with self per se but the self's inclusion in (and mediation by) a world: a logically consistent conception of life/individuality that avoids both maximum entropy and YHWH as negentropic demonism: Proclus is the key: his henads represent a positive, autarchic individuality: splendor without “thermodynamic robbery”/excrescence: “all in all”, unmediated by a metaxu, while humans are “demons” that feed on light*: Being is monocentric, beings are always coordinated by the actuality they exhibit: “that in you which is more than you”: once the henads click, you'll get why people thought Spinoza was satanic: Langan's CTMU, this totally totalizing, totally immanentist, DEGENERATE + SPINOZIST SYSTEM that is “everywhere the same to itself”, is only the basement continuum where life feeds death and poesis: the point is to distinguish between supra-essential and ontic modes of unity: space is a negative individuum; difference is calculated publically, extrinsically: relationality is web-like (“where a thing is, is what it is”): “ideology” as parasite: minds grown like mushrooms on systems of interest: beings navigate henadic uniqueness through Leviathanic worldhood: recall: Eckhart's God and his subject are causa sui, and in Proclus, the One is identical with the soul's desire for its own integrity: how to reconcile Atum as Self's eternal desert companion with Atum the hedonic donut? De-hypostasize the One as Totality and understand it instead as the principle of individuation: think of it as like a metalogical phase-space out of which auto-affective singularities emerge spontaneously into their own sense and undergo embodiment in a public physics: Heidegger's project is just this de-attenuation of the brain's pinhole and its fidelity to the tangible: the shared realism of Das Mann: plants are the angels of our mass gradient, plasma cosmology + eco-gnosticism = inverse emanationism: humanity exists at the ass end of the Overflow: we're supposed to climb back up into animals, trees, beings that totally coincide with their condition: moving inward to the simplex we shed ontological mass, but the corona is granulation: the meat of creatures grew our brains and muscle: the male bicep as Leviathan maggot: “the Good is anemic”: AND WOMAN IS A HERBIVORE:
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>>14042894
Regarded nonsense that has no inherent meaning other than to give yourself a sense of purpose and recognition for work that is also meaningless and fruitless. Kys schizo poster. You’re done
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>>14043542
Close but still too specific. Language is the programming language of organics. "Language is a virus from outer space."

What happens when you try to reverse engineer language? You reverse engineer the "programming language of organics." Play smart games, win smart prizes. Based on this criterion, I am the smartest woman in the world, as I have won the infinite game.

>There at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing the play.
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>>14043567
This leads us to the question of mathematical education and education in general, which was a major point of interest for both Whitehead and Russell.

>But in the new approach, as you know, the important thing is to understand what you're doing rather than to get the right answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIKGV2cTgqA

Are you ready for RAW math?
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>>14043042
When you talk about the NeoG-d winning the Emu War, are your refering to it in a sybolic sense? As for all real word intents and purposes, the Humans won the Emu war with the commissioning of free farmer-hunters after the military's lackluster extermination efforts, or so the papers say. But in the popular imagination the press presented the ultimate loosers (The Emus) as the Ultimate victors in the conflict for no other puropse than to laugh at the farcical concept of the Emus, a seemingly sub-sapient race of odd shaped avians, beating the australian government. For any cogniscent being this would be a mockery, a disgrace, but the emus seem simple. Therefor if NeoG-d participating in an ultimately trivial battle that is only ment to sensationalize and entertain instead of produce any real value?
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>MATTER'S PHASE-STATES ARE HOMOLOGOUS WITH THE CHAIN OF BEING: INCELS ARE FRUSTRATED MANICHAEAN DEMONS, BEING IS A KLEIN BOTTLE STOMACH, ONLY PNEUMATICS JUSTIFY THE TROGOAUTOEGOCRAT AND IT WAS THE SUBJECT AS POSITIVE SEAM THAT PUNCTURED GOD'S SPHERE OF LOVE ON THE 8TH DAY
Being is indeed a topological omnivore, fully obverse (perverse) with no accessible/detectable reverse (converse). Reticulation, Annularity, they're ways of gesturing at what you directly name: surface.
On the second point, you're correct that afflation (holy wind) is the source of genius/glory, and that humility and grace come instead from 'being-moored' to the earth (fluid in static/determined relations to a solid instead of fluid in flux/indeterminate relation to gas [or vice versa]).
As for the 8? Well, you know how thoroughly that horse has been beat.
>how do we articulate an extropic idea of the Good that isn't basically a messiah of heat death: one that identifies evil not with self per se but the self's inclusion in (and mediation by) a world:
Precisely: it isn't realities interpolation with history (i.e. the sum total of man/Humanity) that creates evil, as evil is already extant in the form of a necessary 'cut' in reality it-self. That's to say: it isn't the subject-object 'relation' of affirming that produces evil, it's the object-objectivity division which is inherent to being and will inevitably be surpassed (the fall creates itself as a trespassing, etc. You've read Zizek).
>a logically consistent conception of life/individuality that avoids both maximum entropy and YHWH as negentropic demonism: Proclus is the key: his henads represent a positive, autarchic individuality: splendor without “thermodynamic robbery”/excrescence: “all in all”, unmediated by a metaxu, while humans are “demons” that feed on light*
That point about the metaxu is crucial to avoid Landian/neoautomatic "historical inevitability," as even Marx applied some Hegelian sublimation as a necessary (ideological/commiditised) barrier to stop the medium from being seen as mystic/non-virtual.
>Being is monocentric, beings are always coordinated by the actuality they exhibit:
Succinct, and near to my heart.
>that in you which is more than you”: once the henads click, you'll get why people thought Spinoza was satanic:
Also very close to my heart. Moving past Spinoza mean moving past Mainländer.
>Langan's CTMU, this totally totalizing, totally immanentist, DEGENERATE + SPINOZIST SYSTEM that is “everywhere the same to itself”, is only the basement continuum where life feeds death and poesis:
Precisely, the denominator becomes a testimonial orientation towards being (all that is exists only in order to reach a transitory or permanent state: i.e. destruction as discovery instead of depletion) where it ought to be referentially oriented [testify as to what/why/how the other is to God vs refer what/why/how the other is).

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this is honestly brainlet-tier. like an entry level mid-cult understanding; i'm not shocked, given the subject, but i am shocked that the stature this shit has
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>>14043501
https://pando.com/2015/01/13/charlie-hebdo-unmournable-frenchies/

There was a weird smell to the Anglo media’s stories on the Charlie Hebdo massacre, a stench uncommonly like gloating. Before the 12 bodies were even cold, the New Yorker published a sermon by Teju Cole, in which he pronounced the dead Frenchies “Unmournable.” Cole’s refusal to mourn made no sense, rambling through the Inquisition, “France’s colonial history,” US drone strikes on Pakistan, and an obscure 16th-century Italian theologist before he even got around to hinting in a cowardly, incoherent way, that those dead writers and cartoonists pretty much had it coming to them.

There was a lot of that sort of incoherent Anglo gloating going around, the kind where nobody says outright that they’re glorying in some outsider’s misfortune, but everybody gets the message very clearly.

Cole’s gloating was pretty mild, compared to what you found on the Left end of the net. Jacobin, which is actually a pretty good journal sometimes, decided to publish a more aggressive chunk of incoherent gloating by Richard Seymour, which includes this remarkable paragraph explaining, or rather declining to bother explaining, Seymour’s conviction that Charlie Hebdo is “…frankly a racist publication”:

“I will not waste time arguing over this point here: I simply take it as read that — irrespective of whatever else it does, and whatever valid comment it makes — the way in which that publication represents Islam is racist. If you need to be convinced of this, then I suggest you do your research, beginning with reading Edward Said’s Orientalism, as well as some basic introductory texts on Islamophobia, and then come back to the conversation.”
There, you smell that? That, folks, is the stench of grad-school bloodlust, the rectitude one finds so often among people who are afraid of caffeinated coffee, but glory in consigning anyone damned by their favorite authors to violent death. And as soon as the seminar-hunt is on, the clichés come out: “I will not waste time arguing…” “I simply take it as read…” “I suggest you do your research…”
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>>14043504
Please expand on this anon.

Post colonial theory has absolutely destroyed the humanities.
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>>14043504
I think at this stage it's easier to just list the things which aren't CIA plots
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I'm taking a class on the Qur'an now and the Professor references Said often. The class is more or less the dregs. We have not read any Suras without their being critical post-colonial study prefacing and following it. In other words, in class we talk about George Bush and how scary the Bible is. I hate it so much lol
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>>14043517
lol this is great

"people who are afraid of caffeinated coffee, but glory in consigning anyone damned by their favorite authors to violent death"

Perfect characterization

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ITT we discuss the philosophical and religious implications of the pipe strip
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>>14042265
based
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>>14042157
Garfield... easy on the pipes
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this must be how atheists/agnostics feel about the bible
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>>14042265
Parce que le chat a ta pipe
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>>14042999
Kek

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I really enjoyed reading pic related. Do you know any good and preferably older novels about true love? Don't have to involve cheating.
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>>14042137
The Go-Between, Brideshead Revisited

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Alright bros, this has gone on long enough and we need to put a stop to it. If I try to read a book in the tub, the steam condenses on my face and I have to keep wiping my face to be able to read.

It's even worse when I use an e-reader in the tub. My hands get wet and I can't turn the pages on the screen anymore until I dry my hands. I can't live like this, how can I read in the tub without having to constantly dry myself off.
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Finally someone else who read in the tub I thought I was the only one
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>>14042107
You'd have to actually read books in the first place to understand.
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>>14041693
God she's so perfect
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>>14041730
no, i can't hear it when I go underwater or when I splash around.
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Just make sure your room temperature is higher than the water temperature so the water doesn't condense

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Im 19 years old and i want to die with honour in a battlefield
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>>14043551
Are you French?
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>>14043551
Older men who quite fancy ruling the land across the river, but aren't too keen on actually fighting and getting stabbed.
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>>14043560
no
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>>14043562
Why do you put spaces before question marks then, looks awful
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Any books for this feel?

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>why doesn't a person who reads and isn't a tv cunny fag not know of this actor
>you must be underage because you don't watch tv on the LIT BOARD!!1!
When I looked at his movies I see that he was fagdolf in shit of the rings, and fagneeto in axemen. Go fuck yourselves and an hero.
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>it's because he can't seem to decide if the lovecraft stuff the spy spoof or the bureaucracy should be the main focus at any one moment
Just finished the second book.
Not as strong as the first one. I definitely see what you mean. The spy theme definitely tried to push itself into the front (due to the story of course) and it didn't really feel that natural.
I'm giving the third book a chance and see where it leads. So far I really dig the single POV writing style a lot. I've grown really tired of multiple POVs where I don't really give a shit about their side of the story. I hope Stross doesn't change that in the following books.
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