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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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/GG/ Greek General. I found a copy of 'freedom and death' last year in a Cretan bookstore. Never heard of Nikos Kazantzakis but he is apparently very famous in Greece.

I greatly enjoyed Freedom and Death, the rebellious Cretans fighting the Ottoman Turks in that beautiful dry mountainous island landscape resonated with me.

I continued with his most famous work: 'ZORBA THE GREEK'
I couldnt finish it. Didnt like at all.

what am I in for?
hipster shit

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How in the literal fuck does a poem like this warrant a four-figure payout?


How do we combat the bastardization of what used to be literature's greatest modality?
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I've been published nearly two dozen times in the past year, anon. Believe me -- I'm doing all that I can to counter this nonsense.
This is actually good, though. Why do we hate Sylvia Plath again?
Again, you don't explain why it's bad. Is the use of language poor? Are poems about racism automatically bad while poems about nightingales automatically good?
it is more than politics though. like i said, chance for poets to develop. keeps people engaged with poetry as well, so someone can come along and write some 'genuine' art once they see that hey i am able to get some recognition in the poetry world even though i'm chinese, etc. all art is metaphysical as is politics for the time being, it is really hard to separate the two

just because it would be little-read doesn't mean it would be people genuinely attempting it as a serious art by the way. this is real life where little is guaranteed
Well let's see an example anon so we can judge for ourselves

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I've read:
"Mythology" - Edith Hamilton
"A New History of Western Philosophy - Volume 1" - Anthony Kenny
"Iliad" - Homer
"Odyssey" - Homer
"Oedipus Rex" - Sophocles
"Oedipus at Colonus" - Sophocles
"Antigone" - Sophocles
"History" - Herodotus

So, what now? Should i read one of the presocratics and sofists or should i skip to "The Trial of Socrates" - Plato and keep reading all Plato works, then full Aristotle, then keep going?
If i should read the presocratics, who should i read before Plato and which books?
Are they necessary at all?
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why would I fuck girls when there are beautiful boys like Gorgias
No Hesiod? Are you even trying?

I’d say skip the actual Presocratics and just read books 8 and 9 of Diogenes Laertius’ Lives of the Philosophers, then jump straight into Plato.
Great; did you learn how to order pizza from the gas station without crying yet?
Aeschylus, you can’t miss him
where do i even start?

I keep seeing you all talk about Catholicism, but does anyone know anything about orthodox Christianity? Wherever I’ve looked online the information has been quite lackluster to be honest. Where can I look into it better?
One reason might be the lack of historical presence of Orthodox influence in western educational institutions. There's still probably more information available now than ever before so it shouldn't be to hard to come across unless your looking in expressed by non-orthodox places maybe.
>expressed by
I reccomend Orthodox Christianity, by Hilarion Alfeyev. Four volumes are currently available in English

I was baptized in 2017, was a catechumen for a year before that, happy to answer any questions
You probably need to search for the Greek orthodox church, they have strong presence in America so they will probably have some translation and guidance.
Or see what kind of orthodox church is near you and check that out.

Why do writers put so many difficult words in their stuff? I read an article where every other sentence was some obscure word. Isn't that the first thing you learn is to not do that because it's irritating and smug?
It's their job to find the right word to describe a certain thing, which leads them to use difficult words. But obviously I'm sure many of them do it just to appear more intelligent.

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>American education
Instead of just thinking I am smart and acting like I am knowledgeable I want to actually be so. How do I start? I want to actually understand the world.
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Why do people fall for the American education meme. Do you actually think Europoors have great education or something. Quit blaming the rest of the country for your retardation and go read some books
You said it. It's just a meme.
“What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books.” - Thomas Carlyle
Sounds like University is a waste of time.
It's actually a good opportunity to grow as a person. You interact with people your age, you pick up patterns and learn more about people than the curriculum you pick.
Yes it's a waste, but a necessary one. It really depends what you do with it.

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Any books on how to wear a smile and pretend to give a shit while working for corporations?
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omg corporations are so evil man
Conniving, duplicitous, abusive, unruly, and self centered is more like it, and everything they accuse their opponents of being is a reflections of theirsleves, hence the connivery part.
yeah its called the book of life you whiney socialist. i hope you break your fathers heart by never actually doing anything with your life because youre too busy complaining about rich people
They are extramoral, not evil. As they are machine-like systems and not free-willed actors like humans, good and evil are none of their concern. Consequently they commit a lot of evil.
[fashwaving intensifies]

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Refute this
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do you think math abilities are distributed on a bell curve
No I just think you’re retarted
>Time for the daily Bell Curve thread.
Get a fucking job already.
somebody did like 25 years ago or whenever this was made


>LARPs in a garden for a few seasons
>Spends the whole time telling his neighbors why he's better than them
What are some actually good /out/ books?
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Pic related, for instance
Growth of the Soil
One Man's Wilderness
Into the Wild
To Build a Fire
Moby Dick
>into the wild

Literal shit tier 'find yourself' trash
Sea wolf- Jack London.

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Rewind. Remember that to err is human, but to rewind is divine
>magnanimity of language
literally lolled
For me, its Barnaby Rudge. The riot scenes are better than anything in Hugo or Zola
Sentimentality isn't ipso facto bad, otherwise we'd have to throw out all of opera. It's more that it's unfashionable. Perhaps in 50 years people will complain that post war fiction was far too cynical and otherwise good writers are marred by their nihilist sarcasm
Be a wanker

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What /lit/ thinks about Steven Pinker?
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Typical academia professor, except he's from Harvard so you just know he's corrupt.
>pinker fanboi
>calling anyone else reddit
>it’s year 2119
>the world has finally gone to absolute shite
>most people are miserable and depressed
>even the lowliest plebs have become disillusioned
>one day a bunch of people from different backgrounds explain the state of things
>the commie says “it’s because we never achieved a classless society”
>the Christian says “man can’t create heaven on earth, only God can do that”
>the Buddhist says “yup, as we said, life is suffering”
>the Gnostic mutters something about the archons
>the Enlightenmentist stammers “i-it’s because our ideals haven’t been tri-“
>before he can finish someone slams an old paperback on the table
>although faded, the title ‘Enlightenment Now’ is striking
>the room erupts into a roar of laughter
>the Enlightenmentist turns red, he can bearly breathe

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i've been reading about the anima and i think mine is fucked up, that's why i'm such a pussy

how to fix? what literature on this?
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>tfw no dumdum Russian peasant gf with a big ass and a heart of gold
OP you fucked by choosing that image man, now your thread is cancer
no anime discussions on this sub, fuck off retard
yeah... i'm honestly impressed by how many shitposters there are these days. fucking locusts
she looks like baz pierce

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Can someone please prove him wrong
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What the hell? Whites and asians are the races that have historically led the entire world in environmental destruction up until the last couple decades, and even now the west and china are far and away the most destructive, we're just wealthy enough to slap pretend bandaid solutions like solar panel funding on top to feel better
Native americans, subsaharan africans, and asian steppe nomads inarguably lived in much better harmony with their respective environments for thousands of years than any industrialized country ever has


oooh hohhh ohhh mmm ahhh....
See you there, my friend
Natural <- natura <- natum = born
Physis <- phyo = grow
You don't know what you're talking about. Just letting you know you're wrong

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>be JBP
>get dismantled by a YouTube atheist
How does he still have fans?
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I don't want to start a flamewar but I am not exactly a fan of Chomsky. I don't mind his linguistics, though even those aren't really that well supported. On politics i have rarely disagreed with anyone that much.
Foucault I can respect because he carries his arguments to their actual conclusions. He is rigorous about his stuff, and while he's not one of my preferred philosophers, I get what he's doing in a way. plus his books are just fun, Madness and civilization, Discipline and Punish especially.

In that debate though Chomsky was acting as the reactionary and I have to side with him because I have deeply reactionary beliefs about 'human nature'.
why should we worship him when he just parrots Jung and adds in some evolutionary psychology? "Become Christ" is just Aion summarised in two words.
Cringe and bluepilled.
>YouTube atheist
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Leave before things get messy trannies

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