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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.org/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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The fuck did he mean by this? Were the a/acc shitposters actually zeroing in on the true esoteric core of accelerationism?
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>>14305784
>they are, transitioning is the natural conclusion of accelerationism since it creates the idea of capitalism as a seperate entity. with that, it becomes easy to confuse your concepts of people for actual people and you start seeing people as objects. transhumanism adheres the idea that all people should become women from beliving the female object is a painless existence and that people can actually become objects
this, folks, is what happens when you are drunk on idealism
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>>14305798
>its just that there are legit trans people and then these people who are into it just for the idea of objectifying themselves
You are *this* close.

Its pretty clear if you follow this logic that not being trans is equally as objectifying.
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>>14306675
Wym
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>>14306548
amazing
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>>14306695
Because man and woman are artificial self limiting roles imposed by society on people not essential categories of human beings.

If being a trans women means objectifying yourself in the image of a object named women with makeup and dresses for the visual or carnal consumption of others, namely men, than what else is a man then a cog in the machine for capital to produce what will then be consumed in a hallucinogenic self perpetuating emporium?

>sartre
refuted by Shestov
>husserl
refuted by Shestov
>hide-egger
refuted by Shestov
>hegel
refuted by Shestov
>kiergegaard
refuted by Shestov
>Dostoevsky
refuted by Shestov
>deleuze
refuted by Shestov
>derrida

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But can he refute this?
*unzips dick*
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>>14306704
>Shestov's philosophy is, at first sight, not a philosophy at all: it offers no systematic unity, no coherent set of propositions, no theoretical explanation of philosophical problems. Most of Shestov's work is fragmentary. With regard to the form (he often used aphorisms) the style may be deemed more web-like than linear, and more explosive than argumentative. The author seems to contradict himself on every page, and even seeks out paradoxes. This is because he believes that life itself is, in the last analysis, deeply paradoxical, and not comprehensible through logical or rational inquiry. Shestov maintains that no theory can solve the mysteries of life. Fundamentally, his philosophy is not 'problem-solving', but problem-generating, with a pronounced emphasis on life's enigmatic qualities.

Very cool

>His point of departure is not a theory, or an idea, but an experience,

Based

>the experience of despair
?

>which Shestov describes as the loss of certainties, the loss of freedom, the loss of the meaning of life.

Ok see how the moment shows you the door he locks the one behind you with the key that got you in?

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>>14306704
>Nietzsche survived his onslaught
Are these two men the pinnacle of all philosophy?
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>Guenon
>refuted by Shes-
impossible
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>>14306704
>refuted Derrida

You obviously need to reread the pharmacy

If your 4chan post history was published as your literary writing career what would be the reader response.
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Who would be the reader?
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>>14306441
By virtue of being a tripfag, your whole repitiore has already been overwhelmingly responded to.
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>>14306165
"Wow, this loser pretended to be other people in his own threads just to keep them alive"
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>He sure hates anglos
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>Why the fuck are there 6 different chapters dedicated to which Fallout NV faction was the best?

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Rate my based[ness]

Hello, i have low-selfesteem, tell me if i read shit or good books.
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Your shelf is full of pseud tier books, but that isn't even the worst part. You felt the need to create a thread on 4chan, telling everyone "i have low-selfesteem" (horrible English btw) and asking brain dead posers to rate your taste. Seek help.
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>>14303994
>>14303998
>>14304003

Dude just read whatever the fuck you want to
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>>14304060
Kek
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>>14303994
Why Anaconda? Literally the worst German publisher. They use Google translate for some of their works. The hardcovers are trash and flimsy, the paper quality is trash, at this point you're better off reading digital. Manesse is good, Reclam is good and very faithful to the original source, Diogenes is good, hanser is good, mare and their classics line is amazing but please just stay away from Anaconda. I'm not shitting on you German bro, I just want you to know for future purchases. I know Anaconda is cheap but that's because their quality is cheap, you deserve better.
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>>14303994
Which edition of 1984 is that? Looks cool.

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Kino
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>>14306332
??
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>>14306344
>literal faggot too dumb to interpret basic statement
I'm shocked
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>>14306357
I wondered if you were forgetting some punctuation.
I am not projecting the status quo.
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>>14305478
These basedjacks are really getting creative
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>>14306433
Wow you're fucking retarded if you can't parse that sentence without punctuation

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Hey guys. I have never drawn in my life nor really done anything artistic, and out of the blue I felt like making this comic quickly. What do you guys think?

https://imgur.com/a/n6G7ENY
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>>14303856

atbudęs
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>>14304717
I want to make a short story comic format teaching people about the nature of reality through the lenses of a post-modernity collapsed world. However I am not cut out for drawing.
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>>14303708
The last pages were rushed haha
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>>14306063
Just write a short story
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>>14303391
it used to be like that thousands of years ago

Bookshelf thread
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I still have to organize my bookshelf a little bit more.
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>>14306683
>the ancestor's tale
Have none of you read this? It's a fucking great book, it goes backwards throughout the entire evolutionary history of life starting with humans and adding on groups of organisms based on when they diverged
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Calm down everyone, Quentin is a Roman Catholic. He probably put it there as a meme or read it to know who he is arguing against
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>>14306745
It’s fine how it is, just get Revolt Against the Modern World and you’re set
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>>14306758
The Dawkins book I could forgive but not him being a papist.
Unsubbed.

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>fascism is capitalism in decay
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Communism will never work because the few limp wristed sissies that actually understand Marxism wont be in charge after the "revolution", some dumb proles with an ounce of testosterone will take the leading role, and come up with yet another totalitarian nightmare state
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>>14306707
That doesn't make labor homogenous, money is just an abstraction used to exchange goods/services in a market
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>>14306746
>mainstream economists opinions matter at all
Source: reformed mainstream economist
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>>14306753
>He thinks Marxists still believe in "revolution"
Read theory past the 1910s
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>>14306748
it is however a good summary of what communists actually believe

/lit/ always tell me to start with the Greeks, and I did that. But I'd rather do it prooperly now and read the original texts.

How did /lit/ learn ancient greek to read the original texts?
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>>14305463
>incapable of learning a language in 4 years
The problem is with you buddy
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I went through the two Athenaze books over an academic year, then the following year was able to read an annotated edition of the Apology with more or less ease (obscure vocab and very irregular constructions aside). Greek is a really fun language, and you will be highly motivated if you like the philosophy.
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>>14306627
But can you read Homer? Or NT? Or do you have to learn each dialect?
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>>14305310
Why German? I get how the other languages would be valuable, but German?
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>>14306497
4 years of passive high school "learning" is insufficient. At university, >>14306627
is a normal pace; simple prose with commentary during the second year. But saying that you "know" Greek requires a lot more than that.

What's some good Russian literature, besides Tolstoy and Dostoevsky?
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>>14303555
Why does Gorky have pictures with pretty much every Russian author?
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>>14306406
I suppose you're right, I find the prose style between Gogol and other writers of that age to be similar in its description. But I haven't really read any pre-golden age Russian literature to base that after.

And even if I did, contemporary and previous translations of Russian works into English would make such distinctions difficult to distinguish.
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>>14306369
>I don't really understand it either. Sure it manages to shine a light on the rigid social strata and how dress and wealth determined how you would be treated in the social hierarchy, and how such a change can completely transform a man. But even so I don't think it is even Gogols best story.

It's not about "social strata and how dress", it's about pity. Gogol taught pity. Real one. (not sugar-snotty sentimentalism like Karamzin, see "Poor Liza" (1792))

There is a good quote from Erofeev,
I'm sorry that in Russian, there is an English translation, but it's hard for me to find. Those who wish can use the Google translator, he translates this piece tolerably. Somewhat clumsy due to the abundance of biblicisms.

>"A я cидeл и пoнимaл cтapoгo Mитpичa, пoнимaл eгo cлeзы:
eмy пpocтo вce и вceх былo жaлкo: жaлкo пpeдceдaтeля зa тo, чтo
eмy дaли тaкyю пoзopнyю кличкy, и cтeнкy, кoтopyю oн oбмoчил, и
лoдкy, и чиpьи - вce жaлкo. Пepвaя любoвь или пocлeдняя жaлocть
- кaкaя paзницa? Бoг, yмиpaя нa кpecтe, зaпoвeдoвaл нaм
жaлocть, a зyбocкaльcтвo oн нaм нe зaпoвeдoвaл. Жaлocть и
любoвь к миpy - eдины. Любoвь кo вcякoй пepcти, кo вcякoмy

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>>14306626
He was the editor of newspapers, president of the Union of Writers, an extremely famous author (not only in the Russian Empire/Soviet Union) and the guy a writer would call if someone important in the Soviet Union wanted to NKVD you (he loved freedom of speech).
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>>14306742
And he'd also be the one to call if you wanted someone to come over to the gulag for dinner, tea and musical entertainment and a fun night out.

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Have Conservatives always been pessimistic? I get the vibes that conservatives across the west are going full doomer.

I've recently been reading into contemporary conservatism, and three books in particular stand out to me, 'The Strange Death of Europe' by Douglas Murray, 'The Death of the West' by Pat Buchanan and 'America alone' by Mark Steyn stand out as DOOMER /lit/ in particular. Basically all three say the chances are slim of reversal, and Douglas Murray, in particular, thinks it's almost inevitable that liberalism will crack and decline in Europe (and perhaps across the west). Pat Buchanan straight up said it's all too late, Mark Steyn said in an interview that (Paraphrased as fuck) ' it won't be a total collapse, but there will be a great pruning, the question is how much will be pruned.'

I don't think that historically, conservatives have ever been as pessimistic as they are currently are. Even during the height of Mccarthyism during the cold war, there was wide Communist fear, but this never manifested as 'The Soviets are almost certainly destined to win and there's nothing we can do about it'. Edmund Burke wasn't all 'IT'S TOO LATE BRUH', so at some point something definitely changed.
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>>14298340
Fucking based.
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>>14305698
They're inflicting it on themselves. How is that not natural?
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>>14306485
The original proponents of mass migration and policies that promote miscegenation among white people are and always have been Jewish thought leaders like Noel Ignatiev, most of them because they have some weird gripe against white Americans for not accepting Jewish refugees from Germany during WW2. But even if we ignore the Jewish aspect of it, there's still people like Lyndon Johnson who signed the 1965 immigration act knowing that it would displace whites and they hailed it as "progress." This was not a popular bill which had the consent of the majority. People knew what would happen and opposed it for that reason, yet it was imposed on them anyway.
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>>14305698
It's not about trying to kill them. The reality is simple: Governments tried to implement population-control policies around the mid 20th century. However, they worked too well, and now we have a rapidly declining population which leads to a demand crisis. Also, China's rise has shown that population is power. Therefore, the State must pursue an increase in the population, and the only way to do that right now is immigration. No one is really willing to entertain drastic measures yet.

I don't think it's necessarily caused by liberalism as >>14299785 writes, usually liberal narratives are just a veneer for State policy anyway. In the 19th and early 20th century in the US, Progressives/Liberals were the only ones to ever succeed at immigration restriction. Honestly, I can't think of many "Conservative" regimes that have done things like reduce immigration, and why would they since Conservatism typically represents (relatively) labor-intensive industry.
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>>14306585
But thoughts don't matter. People will paint themselves with whatever ideas most conveniently match their current lifestyle. It's nothing but the way they present themselves to other people, who don't care anyways.

What is the best Star Wars novel and why is it Death Troopers?

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>>14306688
How is it not? Where is 'cogito' if not in existence? How are you able to talk about it, if it's inexistent?
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>>14306676
Thought is bread and the thinker is the baker.
Why are you resisting this?
This post is the thought and the poster is the thinker.
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>>14306701
>Where is 'cogito' if not in existence?
It is in existence but not existence itself. Thats why existence is self evident
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>>14306705
You're going far too far by saying that because you've just found some bread, there must be a baker around. There are an infinite set of possibilities for why the bread may be there, and your claim is effectively 'there is a baker, because he baked this'. There's no intrinsic truth-value there beyond the simple statement that the bread itself exists. Taking this away from yeasty analogies and back to the original thought; Descartes uses 'cogito' to justify far too much. 'I think, therefore I am' demands by necessity that existence of the 'I'. I cannot think, unless I already am, and therefore the 'think' statement is irrelevant. The only thing we can surmise is that 'thought is occurring', for we know nothing of the 'I' who is apparently thinking.
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>>14306749
I think therefore I am is a mistranslation
Cogito ergo sum just means thought therefore existence, and I've already demonstrated that thought necessitates something which thinks, therefore a thinker, which is what we've identified as "I"

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My uncle recommended this book to me.
Is it any good /lit/?
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>>14305619
I liked it when i was 14, i only hear about it on /lit/ in fantasy discussions when it gets bought up how kvothe is a cuck and when if ever the third book is ever going to get released. I remember jacking off like 3 times when i was reading the second book when the marshal arts instructor milf fucks kvothe, so if you like good world building and look past some bad writing here and there go for it.
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>>14306545
yes but compared to whats being put out these days its head and shoulders above
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>>14306524
hes either going to release a tome of a book or break it to his fans that he might have to do a 4th or 5th book to wrap things up which if i remember them correctly they wont mine in the least.
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>>14306617
I don't agree. Other authors might be mediocre at prose, but they at least know it and don't try to be fancy, while Rothfuss is bad, doesn't know it, tries to be fancy and fails horribly.
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if you still think there will be a 3rd book you do not understand this story. Id recommend reading it more than once. There will be no book 3


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