Cynic edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>23256805NOTE: replace ' dot ' with an actual dot to access the links below>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANEhttps://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRgFeel free to write your thoughts/stories/etc... in your target language.>Work in progress FAQComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>scio hoc a te factum estI know this was done by you >scio hoc a te factum esse I know THAT this was done by you
>>23326622uhm pretty sure the first is grammatically wrong
>>23326622First one is wrong. Indirect speech takes infinitives.
>Άρχισα να μαθαίνω τα νέα ελληνικά προτού να αρχίσω τα αρχαία ελληνικά, και τώρα πρέπει να κάνω τα δύο
Where do I go after this?
>>23325341nietzsche, wagner and schopenhauer
>>23325341Straight to hell.
>>23325341Cioran?
>>23325341>>23325951Why has this book not've been translated to german yet?
>>23325341Hang yourself, nigger
>yeah this book is only 600 pages, I've read it over the weekendHow the fuck do you even do this? Novels are so big, and the most I can do is read 20 pages a day at most, even in a pocket format, I read slowly and often act the stuff out in my head. It's much easier with the audiobooks, since I'm much better at at digesting the stuff I hear, but it feels like cheating and I don't have audio versions of the non-fiction stuff I need to study. How do you train yourself to read faster?
I just read 1~2 hours a day.
How most people "read so much" in 2024>they aren't but claim they are>they intend to but never do >they read the first parts, then stop, but still claim to have read the book >most common: they read the first parts, then stop, but they did this in a class and the professor said the things you're supposed to know and regurgitate about the book so they spend the rest of their lives claiming and even thinking they've read it >they are actually dumber and less diligent than you so they are a) less confident they could ever really understand the book as a whole and therefore b) less bothered by skimming it and just soaking up whatever they soak up willy-nilly without worrying about stopping-and-starting to really process things that are puzzling to them (again this is most often combined with taking a class) The last one is really common. A lot of people walking around saying they "read Heidegger" mean they took a class on it and struggled/suffered through the sections assigned by the professor, skipping a few readings or doing them at the last minute and thus not really processing them, but there's enough "there" by the end of that ramshackle process that their normie pea brain thinks "I've read Heidegger.. Being in the world, and so on" for the rest of their lives. And remember, 99% of what a normie is doing in any given activity is social posturing to maintain their place in the hierarchy like pack animals, so any guilt or self-doubt they might be capable of feeling has to be crammed into that 1% leftover processing space, and then maintained there, neither of which is very likely.
>>23327097All you are doing is nuking comprehension retard. Literally everyone subvocalizes when they read, it is necessary to sufficiently comprehend the text. Those that say they naturally don’t actually do, because such claims can easily be tested as when we are subvocalizing we are actually using our vocal chords very quietly. Speedreading is a complete scam also, lol at falling for that grift.I hope my message will help you change your ways for the better anon. Dont fall for grifts.
>>23327110Speaking from my experiences as a child, reading without (or at least with minimal) subvocalisation is definitely real. But this kills any appreciation of style and pacing, it's like watching a movie at 2x speed. If you read for pleasure then you want to subvocalise, even if the text takes longer to get through.t. Had to learn how to subvocalise
>>23326887You’ve trained yourself to scroll social media and watch a tv show at 1.5x speed simultaneously while you’re supposed to be doing a third task. You’ve literally programmed your brain to be a scattershot mess. The upside is you can retrain this brain to be a reader. The hard part is you have to want to. Sit, comfortably, in isolation of other tasks and things to make the mind wander. Turn the phone off. Just read. Set a timer for 30mins, 1 hour. Do nothing but reading. If you can win back the ability to concentrate suddenly those books start melting.
Do you like this?
>>23324441Yes quite a bit. I really like Yeager's writing style in Negative Space. Everything he describes in this book just seems grey, dead, and hopeless, which I think was his intention. If you liked this, Burn You The Fuck Alive is worth reading. I didn't enjoy Amygdalatropolis very much though.
>>23324441It encapsulates zoomer despair pretty succinctly.Wonder why I don't hear much discussion about it.
>>23324441lmao people who read this shit get negative pussy
>>23324441I found it very interesting. When I started reading it at first seemed like a bunch of teenage drama but I'm glad I didnt put it down because it goes down a really interesting path. You can think of it as Anti-YA fiction, a deconstruction of the trope of an innocent and magical youth. It's the exact opposite of the cozy escapism that defines much of the YA genre.
Any Brazilian novels set in 1970s Sao Paulo?
Amazing to me Brazilians exist, I can't stop my mind from picturing a society of full blown monkeys and apes in suits with briefcases going to European style theaters on the top of some Tibetan plateau in the middle of a jungle
>>23327114Planet of the Apes by Pierre Boule is exactly this
>>23327114kek
What's the philosophical equivalence of Goggins?
>>23327112Self-immolation. Stay hard.
>>23327112
Thoughts on Ashbery? Any favorite poems or collections by him that you want to recommend or discuss? What do you think of some critics' accusations that his work is meaningless?
>>23325818Top of the Pops: Betjeman, Thom Gunn, Heaney, Geoffrey Hill, Philip Larkin, Stevie Smith, Peter Scupham (whom they did mention. I was too blinded by outrage that he wasn't included in the first edition that I missed it as I frothed. Mea culpa.) Honorable Mention: Rosemary Tonks.Americans: well, Lowell, of course. Can't think of anyone else on the list worth reading, except, now and again, Plath. Stalling certainly has promise.
>>23320268>>Different style.Just to see what it would come up with, I told ChatGPT 4 to pretend that it was John Ashbery and to write a typical Ashbery poem. Here it is:The LatecomersIn this light, the maples seem almost underwater,Their day poised on the brink of another genre,Where trees are merely guests, invited to ponderthe silent maturation of the world.A bird’s flight corrects the pleasant sky,Each wingbeat aligning with misplaced clouds.The trees have no opinion on this.Their job is to obscure the landscape,To remember the sun spots we will soon forget.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>23325843>>23321437I'd have Omeros, 77 Dream Songs, Life Studies, SPICM (or that early Ashbery selected), Seamus Heaney 66-87 Selected, Collected Larkin, Ariel, Howl, Ted Hughes selected, the old Geoffrey Hill collected (not the new massive one), that New York Poets anthology, The New PoetryThat's 12,
>>23326774Fuck forgot about RS Thomas
>>23326758First thing that I notice is that it's a Seamus Heaney title; that the poem itself is mad with anthropomorphism (a figure that Ashbery likes but uses very carefully) and that it concludes with what may be construed as a 'late arrival' whom it is safe to assume will never arrive, at least at this point, which is at every 'point' from which the poem itself will be read.Can sense be made of the poem ON ITS OWN TERMS, ie without reading into it? Probably. But will this prove satisfactory? Probably not, but who knows?>The trees have no opinion on this.Of course they don't.>Their jobOh, so they ALSO have a taskmaster, unless this is the poet opining, as it were, 'externally' -- but if so then the use of the first plural nominative and objective in the second stanza becomes awkward, sloppy, sophomoric-- What I see initially are mistakes that Ashbery wouldn't make, in terms of both style and sense. But, as>>23322047remarks>This is a thread about the poetry of John AshberyI'll leave it at that.
What are his essential prose works? Guy wrote way too much
>>23326594The point is that it's in no way comparable to what Mozart (whom you mentioned) and Beethoven did. It's way, way more extreme, and "pushing tonal boundaries" is not something Mozart is exactly "famous for" (which is also what you've claimed). In some way, yes, but there's about 3-5 things you could say for him or Beethoven that they are much more associated with.
>>23326599Don't try to reason with cultists, it's a fruitless endeavor. They're always dishonest or straight up lie.
>>23326600>The point is that it's in no way comparable to what Mozart [...] didIt's exactly comparable, they're using dissonance for the same reason, both indulging in it for its own sake, sometimes not that far apart in the degree of dissonance. Mozart is extremely famous for his dissonances, that belongs to the well known attributes of his genius. As far as general harmony is concerned, there is no conservatism in Mozart or Beethoven. They are moving forward, expanding the expressive possibilities of music as much as possible, so it is inevitable that music like Tristan would arise after them, especially after Beethoven. For hundreds of years music was moving to the harmony of Wagner and Liszt.
>>23326596Apologies, I shouldn't have been rude. Prose means any writings that isn't in verse.
>>23326693Thanks for clearing that up.
I want to make an irredeemable monster, but I want him to be comically arrogant and likable, how do I strike the smug snake villain that doesn't turn him into an annoying character people hate watching?
How do we reconcile David praying for the destruction of his enemies with Jesus commanding to love and pray for your enemies in a positive manner?
>>23322825Not sure which desire is greater Jews for money or Christians for the end of the world.
>>23324474>He doesn't deny itHow suprising, I never could have seen that coming...
>>23324779I have no doubts as to your uncertainty in that matter and on countless others.
>>23321795>Jesus was present throughout the old testament, since at least Abraham>Jesus brought something newWhy do I know your religion better than you do?
>>23327027>Why do I know your religion better than you do?You don't. >Jesus brought something new John 13:3434 I give you a new law: Have love one for another; even as I have had love for you, so are you to have love one for another. 35 By this it will be clear to all men that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.Hebrews 9:15Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant>Jesus was present throughout the old testament, since at least Abraham Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
How we dreamed of all the great things we would do? Where did it all go so wrong bros?
>>23326331Poor little dream keeps trying to come true.
>>23326354?BUT IT IS (You) WHO IS MOPING ABOUT NOT HAVING A LIFE, AND I AM TELLING YOU WHY.
>>23326331It's over for most of us here.
>>23326331stop dreaming and start planning. stop complaining and start doing. it's never too late to walk the path you were born on.
>>23326331Read the Tartar Steppe by Buzzati
Elephant anon here,I was at the donation store and found an old looking bookcase that had the original key.I took it home for free and did more inspection and cleaned it up.Turned out it is a Berkey & Gay glass fronted barrister mahogany bookcase (1895-1930) based on the maker's plate on the inside. It cleaned up really nice and there's still more restoration to do.What did /lit/ find this week?
>>23326221You’re not the Dunsay autist from the forums are you? If not he’s going to have a fit because he doesn’t own this.
>>23326284I’m in bed now. What forums?
>>23326260Human foreskin
>>23325781>gets made fun of for having shitty shelves>makes an entire thread to post about furniture he found at Goodwill Holy shit you're insecure.
>>23327043Schizo moment sorry I’m off meds I didn’t mean to make this post
/lit/ has produced multiple collaborative projects and periodicals over the years. Many of these projects are now defunct, and the few that are still active seem to have uncertain trajectories. There are also solo writers who frequent /lit/ and—for better or for worse—their namefagging and shilling has impacted the culture of this board.This thread is for the discussion of the history of /lit/ writing and the future of /lit/. To those that have been involved in previous /lit/ collaborative projects, such as The Lit Quarterly, Pinecone, The April Review, miniMAG and &: what were your experiences like? Does the drama and infighting surrounding so many of these /lit/ collaborative projects inevitably result in their dissolution? Do you think that /lit/ has anything valuable to offer for aspiring writers, in terms of critique or support?Additionally: Are there any new projects in the works? What do you think is next for the so-called /lit/ renaissance? And now that a /lit/ author has finally gotten a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house, do you think that more of our authors are likely to see similar success?Mega archive of /lit/ periodicals:mega.nz/folder/2gsHSSbA#Sl46P4LljGlk9mnpAf3Mlw
>>23326977fuck jannies
I just marathoned this in 6 days. I enjoyed it. What are your thoughts on The Corrections by Johnathon Franzen?
>>23326370I can’t make my mind up about it. On the one hand, the bleak family dynamics are very well-portrayed and I regard them higly. On the other hand, the Chip episodes (while I enjoyed them the most) feel almost a bit tacked on, as if Franzen felt that there should be at least one interesting character with wacky adventures to spice up the book a little in order to cut through the bleakness. Generally, I’d say the book is quite good.In my head, Franzen (or at least this book) somewhat falls inbetween the ‘divide’ of ‘literature’ and ‘books mom reads on her holiday’, a feeling I also get with writers like Murakami and Safran Foer.
>>23326370My thoughts are that it is one book in a long line of books about a random family that tries to be down to earth and realistic that some writers shit out, like DeLillo for example. I can't really say that Underworld, for example, is meaningfully different from the corrections. In fact, there's nothing setting apart Franzen's own Freedom from the The Corrections I'd say. It's all paint by numbers but the colors are swapped out each time.This doesn't mean the book is bad by any means btw.
Franny sucks
>>23326370If you insist on reading authors of that generation, Lethem mogs Franzen by orders of magnitude. But you'd be better off going back a few decades and reading their influences instead.
Look, I’m a Redditor. This is my first day on 4chan.org. I did not know which board to go to so I picked the one that seems to be the least racist and the most peaceful, Literature Board.I have been seeing a lot of pictures of Hegel on here and as a Redditor and a communist, I know he is very important to our movement. I want to understand him more deeply and his philosophy. Can you explain to me to the best of your ability, the importance of Hegel and his book the phenomenology of spirit and its impact to philosophy. Thank you.
>>23326274As much as /pol/fags seem to hate him for no obvious reason other than he has a speech impediment and hardcore leftists hate him for his politics his work is essentially THE reading of Hegel for most of continental Europe today. Like it or not the man is a respected academic with influence and as long as you steer clear of his obviously pop-philosophy books you’re in for an extremely lucid rendition of Hegel. It’s only Americans that read Brandom and Pippin and subscribe to their bastardizations of Hegel.
>>23326381>no obvious reasonother than his obsession with cocksucking soros and greta thunberg, and his absolutely retarded, supposedly communist dream of living around racial strangers completely alienated from everyone as if that isn't already the de facto experience for anyone living in a big city.But when it comes to hegel I have nothing to say.
>>23325847TL;DR Consciousness itself is the sole subject of history. Subject/object is a a false dichotomy, it really is just consciousness/consciousness- reflected into itself. You/me, slave/master, being/nothingness, thing-for me/thing for itself are similar false dichotomys and all contain an impicit or hidden third term between them which disolves their dichotomy
>>23326381I don’t like him because he sniffs a lot and I autistic audiosensory issues so I refuse to engage him. That’s life, I guess.
>>23325847Start with Beiser's German Idealism, then his Hegel book.
