Is Martin amis /lit/ approved?
>>23317873not nearly as good as amis sr.
>>23317873His essays were pretty goodI like Money quite a lot but thought just about every other novel of his didn’t quite measure up. London Fields had its moments but a lot of meh too
>>23317877He’s far better. Kingsley Amis wrote farces, Martin Amis wrote kino.
>>23318050those weren't farces k amis wrote. they are life-- tragedy salted with humour.
Into the Breach edition prev >>23316351
>>23318093i took too much caffeine. I am TWEAKING
>The greatest Conservative 'intellectual' was a literal midwit who never studied beyond a Bachelor's Degree
>>23314451What "purges" did he actually do? He literally associated with Revilo P Oliver (and didn't purge him). That guy was further right than most people today.
>>23313661there was nothing pagan about spengler's view of half-christian faustian spirit.Evola also started calling himself catholic-pagan.
>>23312832Destiny, please leave and never return.
>>23316043Found the gaslighting Jew
>>23313802what about Russell Kirk, Richard Weaver or Sam Francis?
I'm looking for technical guides to poetry. I'm interested in all techniques in existence.One thing I notice is that when you look at painting and drawing, you can very easily find technical guides on about any aspect of it (and I don't even mean modern day youtube guides, even in the past there were ateliers and schools who thought you everything). I don't mean to compare poetry to painting, but I simply wonder: is poetry not just as technical? My own conclusion is that it is not as technical as painting, where you can more or less objectively judge whether you portrayed something in the way you wanted to, which is less so possible with poetry. Nevertheless, when a retard write trash, you also recognize it as so, which proves there is some technicality, and it's not just pure style.So I guess what I'm looking for is a guide, resources, anything, as long as it talks about technique in poetry. I already have poetic form and poetic meter (which he himself says is not a guide for a writer, but you might as well use it like that), which is pretty good. I know about Valery's essays on poetry, will read them.
>>23316226Mary Oliver's A Poetry Handbook and Rules for the Dance may be a good place to start
i self taught myself poetry through using google and finding different websites. also many poets have written essays on the art of poetry
>>23316332>i self taught myself poetry through using googlethank you for warning me against doing this
For someone with no exposure to poetry, Mary Oliver’s Handbook. For someone with some exposure to poetry, Hollander’s Rhyme’s Reason.
OP here. I've been thinking, and I realized that every (great) poet has his own unique style, even within the individual poem the style is recognizable. Now, this is true for basically any artform, style will always be recognizable whatever the medium. However, since poetry is just words, and a lot easier to analyse (try deconstructing a painting and you'll realize what I'm talking about, basically impossible unless you know the actual methods used or are very skilled yourself), you can also more easily learn to imitate style, and find the combinations that make it an unique style. In this sense, style becomes technique, instead of developing technique in a more traditional sense, you develop different forms of expression, which you can then use for your own poetry, going beyond simple imitation, borrowing and adapting to the needs of your poem.
There is nothing out there for us in the world anymore. We have no power, all we can do is shitpost here until very end.It's over
>>23317416And before you ask, I *do* read and write. I'm currently working my way through Bloom's essays on American Literature, Orthodox liturgical history, "The Golden Bough", several of Emerson's works, and a few others in addition to catching up on /mlp/ threads here and there.
>>23317438> pinkie pie is my wifeI didn't know Weird Al posted on /lit/
>>23317421You haven’t really tried.
>>23317416Complete BS. Writers’ communities focused almost exclusively on literature have been a thing going back to the Greeks.
>>23317162Power is power. Find a way through cunning and perseverance to get what you want and achieve what you want or change what you want. It's still all up to you, same as it ever has been.
>What Nietzsche is concerned with is the contrast of those who have power with those who lack it. And he investigates it by contrasting not individuals but groups of people. The distinction therefore tends to become sociological, as the consequences of oppression are considered. In spite of the polemical tone, it does not follow from Nietzsche's ‘vivisection’ of slave morality that he identifies his own position with that of the masters. Nietzsche's own ethic is beyond both master and slave morality. He would like us to conform to neither and become autonomous.How the FUCK did this utter and complete nonsense become the mainstream interpretation of Nietzsche?
>>23317924what, you think you're fucking better than me?
>>23317924Kaufmann wrote that? Embarrassing.
>>23317941i don't think there's any question that nietzsche idolized a certain period of greek nobility. i think the problem with this passage of kaufmann is that he doesn't quite capture the fact that it was nietzsche's fatalism that prevented him from naively advocating the adoption of those past norms, rather than any positive belief in the inherent superiority of "being autonomous" (an idea of which nietzsche wasn't especially fond, anyway ["many of those who can command themselves can not yet obey themselves" etc.)
>>23317924Whether you hate/love Kaufmann is based on myriad motivations, this is also not the 1960's anymore so if you want to read Nietzsche in English there are plenty of options. As far as Kaufmann's ideas are concerned even if you hate him his works made Nietzsche popular outside Germany, I personally find some of his conclusions laughable, others interesting, and my biggest criticism might be that he glossed over several of Nietzsche's works in arriving at an existential outcome. All of this aside, he is sanitized Nietzsche and sanitized Nietzsche's works, you can argue about whether he over-sanitized and there are notable arguments to be made in this regard. He cannot really be robbed of his achievements though, and whether you love/hate him he is still pretty high on the totem pole of Nietzsche interpretations and translations. If you do not care for Kaufmann then do not read Kaufmann, he no longer has a monopoly and there are plenty of Nietzsche translations if you cannot read German, there are also more interpretations of Nietzsche available than there honestly should be at this point, and all of them usually fall short due to the nature of Nietzsche's works. I also will point out that several notable authors and thinkers have looked to Nietzsche for inspiration and regretted it later, that is the nature of the Nietzsche-sphere, just as much potential for damage as there is for profit. The fact that Kaufmann has made it this long and is still highly regarded and talked about is proof he could make in the Nietzsche-sphere, if you really hate him that much then do a better job yourself.
/lit/ has produced multiple collaborative projects and periodicals over the years. Many of these projects are now defunct, and the few that are still active seem to have uncertain trajectories. There are also solo writers who frequent /lit/ and—for better or for worse—their namefagging and shilling has impacted the culture of this board.This thread is for the discussion of the history of /lit/ writing and the future of /lit/. To those that have been involved in previous /lit/ collaborative projects, such as The Lit Quarterly, Pinecone, The April Review, miniMAG and &: what were your experiences like? Does the drama and infighting surrounding so many of these /lit/ collaborative projects inevitably result in their dissolution? Do you think that /lit/ has anything valuable to offer for aspiring writers, in terms of critique or support?Additionally: Are there any new projects in the works? What do you think is next for the so-called /lit/ renaissance? And now that a /lit/ author has finally gotten a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house, do you think that more of our authors are likely to see similar success?Mega archive of /lit/ periodicals:mega.nz/folder/2gsHSSbA#Sl46P4LljGlk9mnpAf3Mlw
>>23316707>not adding Magnum to the OPngmi
>>23316707
>>23317836This.All the people who are actually writing and doing stuff have left this sewer. Only crabs and losers Larping as Christians remain.
& 020 when?
>>23318007June, last I heard
/pg/ - Poetry GeneralPost poetry, your own or otherwise, and discuss. Critique and discussion constantly in dire supply. If you're looking for critique, consider giving details on what exactly you're wishing to improve in the work(s).
>>23315071Nta, but "face" sounds violent to you, or words that rhyme with "face?" Vace, lace, pace, space, case, etc
>>23315231Damn that’s not what I thought it was about at all. I thought it was about reclaiming your passion/dreams for something. The wind was his own activity of moving back inwards to reclaim his passion which is finally represented by eating the fruit>>23316116They all sound pretty violent because it’s a short syllable with a lot of stress. But to me “face” is the worst not sure how to explain why
Bump
Lone amid the café’s cheer,Sad of heart am I to-night;Dolefully I drink my beer,But no single line I write.There’s the wretched rent to pay,Yet I glower at pen and ink:Oh, inspire me, Muse, I pray,It is later than you think!Hello! there’s a pregnant phrase.Bravo! let me write it down;Hold it with a hopeful gaze,Gauge it with a fretful frown;Tune it to my lyric lyre ... Ah! upon starvation’s brink,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Systems pass by this densest spot of not,Yet oblivious to all that’s occurr’d.Tender feelings of heat so innocentAre but to we lowly mortals the scourge.With cracks and a sizzle this tepid dotReigns over all vacant regions so near.Whirlpools of light in the blackest of seas,That’s what they be. Witnessing that is fear.Deeper within those spots conceal’d, it’s saidNot a thing can escape impending doom,And yet there are tricks to harness that fire,But that’s too bold. First we must take the Moon.
So has he just stopped even trying to write Winds or what? 13 years is far far more than enough time to sort out any plot issues he could have run into. Has he lost his passion for writing?
>>23313674So is The Winds of Winter the book equivalent of pic related?
>>23314421It's already done. It's been done for years. All of it.
>>23317843 What kind of schizo conspiracy theory is this?
>>23315180and it will still be better than what he wrote
>>23317843dang and they just sat on it waiting for the exact right time when sentiment on the IP was rock bottom and other epic fantasies have stolen much of the spotlight from ASOIAF?this is truly some 5th dimensional chess while the rest of the industry is playing Go Fish
I was struck, when doing a bit of research into booktok, how so many of these women's romance novels follow the exact same script. Woman gets abducted or coerced (possibly seduced) into serving the whims of a dark figure that she is attracted to despite herself, she has to survive a new social sphere full of people envious of her newfound status being the dark's figure's sex object, she ends up prevailing and climbing up the socioeconomic ladder while getting dicked down by said dark figure. Bonus points if she's offended (read: aroused) by said dark figure's misogynistic attitudes. You have 50 Shades of Gray, picrel, and a whole litany of books with the exact same schema, and it's bizarre because it's so hilariously patriarchal and frankly medieval. I don't observe this as if it's a novel insight, it's trivial and well-observed. But c'mon, what the hell is going on here?How has the gulf between women's professed attitudes (feminism, aversion to toxic masculinity, etc.) and their consumption habits become so wildly incongruous? I'm looking for literature to explain this phenomenon, it's actually schizophrenic how thorough this disavowal is, how nobody is commenting on the elephant in modern sexual politics: that economic involvement and ownership has not altered women's patriarchal sexual desires.
>>23317937>Also I think the shinto culture is simply less compatible with monotheism. Definitely, it's pagan.>Otherwise you'd see the same shit going on in the US, wouldn't you? Are we not? Men and women clearly hate each other in the US it's just the signal is drowned out by multicultural noise I think.
>>23317950>Men and women clearly hate each other in the USDo we? Even Andrew Tate says he loves women. I don't see how we're behaving any different from uncut Europe from social media giving every crazy person a voice.
>>23317957>Even Andrew Tate says he loves women.I mean, he's a pimp. I'm sure he loves women.>I don't see how we're behaving any different from uncut Europe from social media giving every crazy person a voice.That's fair but I think it's arguable the most extreme strands of these incel/femcel ideologies are being spun from Anglophone social spheres and spreading outward virally. It's not solely to blame on circumcision that's just one of thousands of variables and might be more of a symptom anyway.
>>23317937>not because of judaismit is entirely because of judaism. the initial people pushing the practice in the anglo world during the late 19th century were protestant, but during the end of the19th century, and especially after WW1 there was a huge influx of jews out of mostly eastern europe and into the united states. after 1945 the people pushing the practice in the US were jewish and it became near universal. meanwhile the practice declined substantially in other anglo countries, UK, Austrailia, and Canada. if you are american born in the last 70 years, jews are responsible for your genital mutilation
>>23310847>>23310868>>23310911>>23312660Sexual perversions are discharges of excess. Too much of responsibility, shame, or especially repression leads to a release in a form of a fetish. The overworked CEO is into dominatrixes because he feels he works too much and is shamed to be controlled by a woman. The strong wymyn feminist is into rape because she (correctly) feels that she has masculinized herself and wants the validation she is still attractive by the great force of rape. The fetish can take shape in a less direct path -- perhaps the feminist becomes a coprophagiac -- as long as shame leads to shame, the link is made. In the past, great artists would project their desires onto their works; take the overtly sexual Romantics like Byron, de Sade, Blake, or even Baudelaire, but this extended too to Renaissance paintings' overpowering femaleness and even to the watery, self-composed Venus of Willendorf. This is not to say that these works were fetish material, but rather that they were emblems of the same excess that causes fetishes. Something in these great artists came screeching out when they crafted these pieces. Since this impulse comes from the same place that leads to art, art has always been deeply sexual. Paglia talks of this. What is disagree with is the idea that these impulses somehow are not "real," or that denying them is not a "lie." Humans are not violent to everyone. Humans are violent towards those they don't like. This has been conserved in the modern legal system same as seatbelt laws. Women continuing to desire rape is a sign that feminism is fake and gay and has done nothing for them. Look at any measure of happiness in feminized countries compared to 100 years ago. It's all shit. Feminism is the idea that women are defective men. Nietzsche wrote of this.
Someone plowed through the transcripts of the Penguin Random House/Simon & Schuster projected merger antitrust trial, and extracted a lot of details about the publishing industry:https://www.elysian.press/p/no-one-buys-books(1) The overwhelming majority of books published by major publishing houses generate little or no money for anyone, and in particular their authors.(2) Books that sell more than [incredibly depressing number] copies are very rare. The DOJ collected data on more than 58,000 titles published in a year, and found that 90% sold fewer than 2,000 copies, and that the median number of sales was ... 12.(3) The overwhelming bulk of book sales come from three classes of writers: celebrities, franchise authors (Stephen King, John Grisham, Colleen Hoover etc.,) and the backlist, that is, The Lord of the Rings, The Very Hungry Caterpillar, the Bible, etc. If you're not an author who is already in one of these three categories, your chances of making a living by publishing books are infinitesimal.(4) The big publishing houses now spend almost all their money on a tiny number of gigantic advances. Even authors who get these get almost no money spent on publicity efforts by their publishers, because the giant advances go to people with a million TikTok followers.(5) The Obamas sell so many books that they had to be taken out of the data analysis as distorting outliers.(6) If/when book publishing goes to a Netflix/Spotify subscription model, where you pay $10 a month to read as many books as you want, traditional publishing will be destroyed, since 20% of book buyers spend 80% of the money spent on books (this is the ratio for basically everything).Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>23316743My favourite part of all this is that it renders the antitrust trial meaningless The big publishers already have buyer power vis a vis authors and can make them do whatever It is not competition among publishers that drives book prices either So what's the point? The big five already have collective dominance (EU concept but still), stopping them from merging achieves nothing
Start practicing short form screenwriting, bros. Novels are pretty much only for yourself.
>>23316743Publishers are really retarded. Someone should fund and start a new one that doesn’t only sell dei slop and Gordon Ramsey ‘authored’ auto biographies
>>23316813>Don't people realize that they're black? What the fuck would they even write? Bix nood bananas and shit?
>>23316743This is banal and only tells us that nothing has changed. Publishing industry let's the current fads subsidize the rest and has done this for over a century now.
It's too hot to read.
>>23317306>So you did know what it meant, but you just wanted to pretend like you didn't so you could revel in this idiotic chauvinism, despite the fact that you and I both know, and don't pretend you don't, that America is a total disgrace right now and is absolutely not worthy of your pride?>So you're just sitting there, pretending not to know things, even chosing to comment to the effect that you don't know them, only so that you can get a weird, off-topic national quip in?Yes>And you're not ashamed of that?No
>>23316652I once knew a girl called Libbie and sometimes I have imaginary conversations with her where I call her libtard as a term of endearment.
>>23316870I hope he sees this
This but too cold. I basically only read when it's sunny outside.
>>23316509hearty chuckle
Do not bother yourself with foreign-language literature until you are thoroughly well-versed in the works of William Shakespeare.
>>23317400As a non-english anon I agree. Shakespeare is the goat
>>23317400I think there's definitely exceptions to be made for the Classics and Dante if you wanted to go for the chronological route through the canon, but this idea, which I partially agree with, at least makes me feel better about studying English literature at uni first and studying Classics afterwards which I'm going to do next year. I think there's value in fostering a love of literature and the literary tradition before going back to the very beginning of the tradition -- and Shakespeare's a great way to create a love of literature. The problem with a lot of 18th century and Victorian schooling is that they forced Latin and Greek down children's throats without giving them the proper context for why they should be learning it, so they (often) ended up hating it. Although now we have a problem where the Classics seem inaccessible and fewer people are studying them because they just weren't exposed to them. There are downsides to both approaches but I'm not displeased with the route I've taken even if it feels like I'm playing catch-up now.
>>23317400But almost half of his history plays are written in untranslated french.
AAAAAH IT BUUUURNS, OH GOD MAKE IT STOP
>>23317596if schopenhauer never read the second critique, it must also be said that hegel never read the first
>>23317726Don't do Schopenhauer or Hegel, kid. It's destroy you. Stay close to Kant.
>>23307524Consciousness is real. That fact that there's a me behind my eyes. I am conscious of my thoughts and physical movements. I perceive myself as a little entity being forced to act in this world. If i wanted to i could delete whatever i wrote here and move on with my day. But I won't. Cause "I" am making the decision. The "me" that is being forced to run this mortal body like a robot. Can't say the same for you guys. Maybe you all really don't have any independent thoughts? maybe I am the only guy in the ever expanding universe who has a "self". Maybe you all are not even real. Maybe i am stuck in a lower dream which is a part of a greater simulation. Cause one thing for sure, I'm not an "npc". I'm here. I was born of something.
>>23317779nvm i take back what i said. This explanation is obviously right. We are all a bunch of fucking npcs. We are just doing what our non-animate neurons are telling us to do. Fuck this is depressing. I thought I was special. Why was I even born if "I" am not real? everything i have achieved up to this point is invalid and meaningless. It's like I was conceived just to reproduce. How are we any different from Robots?
>>23308192>if you had to manipulate the 1's and 0's it would be impossible to do the most basic task Wow, you non-STEMs really are that dumb, huh? And to not even realize it...
What, no shelf thread? This is the one in my bedroom.
>>23300591any tribe of humans cutting infant boys dicks at birth deserves no place in history.
All your shelves look like shit. This is what a man’s shelf should look like. Bright, like my future. Full of art, to lift the spirits and enrich the soul.
>>23315816horrible
>>23311446fucked in the short term, way better off in the long term
>>23300712PCUSA, PCA, or OPC?
