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I bought this online in new condition and although it hasn’t been read, it wasn’t taken care of properly
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>>23229168
...just take better care of your books or describe and photograph any flaws for your posting, obviously.
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>>23229163
Get a clorox wipe, wring it out really good, and use that. Any remaining moisture that gets on the edge of a page isn't going to do anything to it
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Fine grit sandpaper, just compress the pages together before you start.
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OP here. I'll try the eraser, then the clorox wipe, then the sandpaper.
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>>23229154
mayonaisse
you won't notice the mayo because it's white like the pages

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Can /lit/ recommend me books for understanding love? I want to understand both the male and the female perspective on the phenomenon of romantic love between men and women.

I've read some romance manga, wherefrom I've gotten some data on it. Still, I don't think I really get it yet.
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>>23226846
stumbled into this thread on my way over to /fit/ and now I've got a copy of Ulysses in my cart, hoping to understand and rehabilitate the crippled modernized paradigm of masculine love that you speak of. Wish me luck
>>23226856
>Woman first gains her full individuality in the moment of surrender. She is the Undine who glides soulless through the waves of her native element, till she receives her soul through love of a man. The look of innocence in a woman's eye is the endlessly pellucid mirror in which the man can only see the general faculty for love, till he is able to see in it the likeness of himself. When he has recognised himself therein, then also is the womans all faculty condensd into one strenuous necessity, to love him with the all-dominant fervour of full surrender.
holy shit
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>>23231586
DH Lawrence might be better for that
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>>23230645
High quality post, even if unduly tinted with sand.
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>>23231586
Just read the Greeks, Thucydides (!) and Herodotus. After that read what Aristotle and then Montaigne (!) said about friendship.

Basically all pre-Darwinian authors of sense (i.e. no Catholics, either: Madonna worship is a plague) had an intimation of the superiority of masculine love/friendship; it's only really in the modern age of evolutionary theories that Woman has had her place elevated to an eschatological one. Formerly life was only regarded as a possible good, with that good only becoming real through achievements. Living without purpose or meaning was an indignity.
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>>23230516
It's really funny that in the middle ages the roles were reversed. Troubadour poetry, chivalric romance or petrarchan poetry were the straightest shit ever while classical poetry in arabic or persian was an endless torrent of older men lusting after boy butt in verse.

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I'm not able to read a book or anything without skimming it.
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>>23229847
... it may be over, mate.
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>>23229927
its just, so much of books is just fluff, that isnt important, its like watching youtube videos when you could just read an article.
is it another form of that attention disease of the younger generation?
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came here just for the pepe
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>>23230225
thanks anon <3
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>>23229425
No I struggle with it too but for some reason last year I found a political science dissertation I found inexplicably fascinating and read all 300 pages in like 2 days so you really just gotta sit down and read man - and make sure you really care about what you're reading about

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STACK THREAD
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>>23223700
Miller anon, coming from someone who has geniuenly enjoyed your presence on this site and has bought almost 20+ books because of your reccomandations and shelf images— I really think you should stop using this website.

Some people here really seem to have a hate boner against you, and I doubt constantly reading negative messages is going to be good for your mental health.

I don't know you, but I appreciate you nonetheless and I do want you to stay well.
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>>23230738
I Ching is foundational to all the Taoist nonsense and you get a sense for the order of heaven and earth and how to act within it. It describes situations and flaws in them on the surface level, and then gets deep into changing states of energy and the image itself. The Wilhelm-Baynes edition offers the most context to the philosophy and is valuable just for that. When you internalize it, you don't need to consult it.

>>23230774
Virginia/perique navy rolls with a cavendish center.
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Wanted to pick up more but I am LE POOR
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>>23230859
Good to see you again and I just chuckle at that anon. I don’t know if he thinks I’m someone else, or thinks other anons are me but he’s accused multiple anons in the past of being me or vice versa. Even in this thread the guy who posted the Chaucer text wasn’t me, for example. I find it a little amusing and just ignore him.
I’ve cut way back on /lit/ over the past few years and don’t take it seriously for the most part. Just like in life you can’t please everyone and it’s always more worthwhile to worry about the few that matter and not the many who don’t. I appreciate your concern though lol, but I’ve been coming to 4chan off and on for a while and I’m pretty hardened
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>>23230890
Being poor in the modern world is just so ridiculous. I wouldn't be so angsty about it if I was born pre1900 ish, but now? It's laughable. What possible justification is there for it?

What other Dickens have you read? I recommend Bleak House, David Copperfield and Barnaby Rudge, personally.

Also, I'm so sorry that you were born Australian.

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have any anons read any of these four/six classics (if we're counting 金瓶梅 and 儒家外林)?
how long did it take? any recommendations on what to start with?

I'd probably read a translation as they are beyond my Chinese
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>>23231683
>every user is le same
meds
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Why were there only four/six classic novels in the entire Chinese pre-modern history? If they came up with novel genre once, why not produce novels in quantity, especially given that pre-modern China had always had enough literate people (le legendary chinese bureaucrats). Why are there such gigantic gaps between those 4/6 classics works of fiction over the course of the 3000 years of Chinese history? Shouldn't they have had much more writers and novels or at least some lists with currently non-extant works (like the ones we have about Greek and Roman literature)?
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>>23231705
I think it’s better to ask Japan that question
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>>23231636
啊,确实。我写错了,谢谢我纠正。
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>>23231705
I have almost no clue, but there is a shit ton of poetry. My guess is that prose wasn't really that popular.

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>goes on two-page-long tangent describing, in minuet detail, something that a character happens to see out the corner of their eye for mere moments
>inserts characters speaking in babbling incoherent gibberish
>repeat

Meanwhile American fiction like Fitzgerald is just
>the guy did this then he went and did that and it looked sorta like this but anyway next he did this
like WOW I can actually understand what’s happening
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>>23230732
>Meanwhile American fiction like
Faulkner
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>>23230732
He was the Richard Calder of his time

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Dickens books are more meant to be listened to than read. They’re great as read-alouds or as audiobooks though on the page they can be somewhat a bore
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>>23230732
A single Dickens novel has more value than the entire amerishart canon
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>>23231740
nice b8

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I am a failed STEMfag. Unable to understand higher math and sciences I was going to kms for being a midwit but I ended up at /lit/. I don't claim to understand everything that's been said here, but most of the time I can follow the arguments and even come up of my own. I wonder if my brain is structured towards philosophy, or maybe I am just delusional and coping about failing at STEM. What do you think?
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>>23226347
No offense, but philosophy makes as much and maybe even more of a demand of one's intellect as any math and science, but the highly controversial nature of the subject can insulate one from even considering the potential false bases of one's own arguments. I would personally direct you away from philosophy and encourage you to stick with the applied sciences, the proper path of a midwit with little blowback to society. The world does NOT need another midwit babbling on about the nature of reality. With great Love from Indiana.
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Start saving money to throw at the strip club between classes and you'll improve in STEM. It's all about torque and enduring the hidden.
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>>23226347
>to pursue philosophy, a fruitful venture or a fool's errand?
A fruitful venture in terms of inner peace and tranquility
A fool's errand in terms material gain and a prosperous career

Stick with STEM, or become a tradie. Pursue philosophy on the side in any case
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>>23227726
what an awful picture
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>>23226347
Pursue Philosophy if win a good money that´s fine

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explored from a philosophical/historical perspective. I've been wondering why humans seem to be have empathy and wether it's hard-coded into us conditioned through religion/cultural norms. Why don't we just treat other humans like a piece of lumber? If it gets in the way, just dispose of it, no second thoughts. Why is psychopathy not the norm? Is it all just an evolutionary advantage?
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>>23229962
EPIC DEBATE BRO
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>>23229516
It's obviously evolutionary. Psychopaths are only capable of functioning because the rest of us aren't
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>>23229516
Physically hardwired on the level of instincts and this >>23229524
This >>23229524 is also an explanation why autists don't have an innate empathy and can only develop an emulation of it through analysis and generating "inner world" - technically an AR (augmented reality), hosted inside their brains, that for each real object have its "virtual" counterpart with its own "conscience", "emotions" and additional characteristics, that are used instead of object's real state. I.e. you see a girl crying, but inside your head her psychoemotional "model" either don't have enough parameters to more or less properly understand all the context, or have wrong "numbers" in this parameters (as real ones can't be obtained because permanent hardware fault) or correct ones, but "calculated" through a lot of experience, comparison between descriptions and personal feelings at the situations with similar parameters and other indirect analyzis. Considering, that personal experience tends to be incredibly strong, those autists, who "have figured out", tend to feel a lot of compassion to anything, that have models with required parameters in their heads. This models are only updated through analyzis, so, when autist, who "had figured out", receives an information about tears of real people could be insincere, models of objects classified as "real people" are updated accordingly to this and other additional facts about each individuum. Also, models usually don't make difference between "actually alive", "a depiction of" or "just an item" - if the model is assigned at all - object is "alive" and "have emotions" at the very least. Autists live in their own heads - outside world is merely connected to the world in the head, but is not the main one.
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>>23229516
Read Humankind Hopeful History >>23229525
very good book and check the bibliography and reference work too.
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=D60746444D2AB929AB62802799C0F779
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>>23230049
Good choice. It's a /lit/ word since it was used by DFW.

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The Ghost has to be a demon. It can't actually be a spirit from Purgatory, no matter what test Hamlet applies. If it really were the soul of Hamlet Sr. sent back from Purgatory, then it would be sent back with the full consent of God Himself. But the Ghost explicitly commands that Hamlet seeks revenge on his father's murder, and we know that in a Christian context it is forbidden to seek revenge. "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord," goes the verse. Revenge is not a thing humans are supposed to pursue according to Christianity.

Ergo, the Ghost is a demon, and it is trying to get Hamlet to sin in a way that damns his soul. His earlier fears are correct.
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>>23231594
>no he doesnt, where?
Retard confirmed.
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>>23231597
he refers to "the father" which can apply to God. hamlet even says God, right before the ghosts revenge line. the murder can refer to the spiritual murder that claudius performed on the church, "the body of God" (1 cor 12 27), as the pharisees did to the christ, ie, the spiritual death of denmark caused by claudius's religious hypocrisy.

23231604
youre the retard for not seeing this
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>>23231477
>>23231484
>>23231530
>>23231578
>>23231594
>>23231597
>>23231604
The Ghost is a hallucination. Claudius was innocent.
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>>23231530
>Fucksake, and that Hamlet is 35 years older than the character.
Hamlet is 30, Branagh was 36 in 1996.
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>>23231642
>Hamlet is 30
based on what

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Let no man study literature or call himself a scholar who, although well-versed in the canon, is a stranger, or has only a passing acquaintance, in the sciences of:
>Grammar
>Logic
>Rhetoric
>Arithmetic
>Geometry
>Music
>Astronomy
>Philosophy
>Jurisprudence
>Medicine
>Theology
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>>23230813
Coding is more important than any of these things in current year
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>>23230813
I am an expert in all of these fields
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>>23230813
Shut the fuck up you nincompoop
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>>23230813
If you can't beat videogames on hard mode then you don't know shit about literature.

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Any recs for books similar to this? Less of the cinema autism necessarily, more of the slowly developing conspiracy. Well written in this way and not Dan Brown tier slop.

Literally in his great novels there is always a prostitute who is the moral compass and the trigger for redemption for the protagonist.
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>>23229798
>IG OF
Online world is not real. If you cant touch them it doesn't count for anything
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>>23229523
>Those aren’t whores. They’re exhibitionists.
that's the same
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>>23230812
>it doesn't count for anything
it looks like cope
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>>23228495
they're extreme version of what all wagies do. it's similar to burroughs taking the junkie as the model citizen since he adheres more rigidly to schedules and an external commitment than workers do
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>>23228495
The doomiest male yearns for the eternal feminine

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>>23226447
Lava lamp
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>>23228737
neither do you
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>>23230371
obnoxious gimmick
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>>23226447
Got this thing from Walmart. It is functional and aesthetically pleasing.

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Talk about a rough day at work!

Was Willa Cather quietly the great American novelist? Death Comes for the Archbishop was as beautiful as anything else I've read, and it's been lodged in my head since I finished it last year.

Professor's House and My Antonia were also good; Cather as just a prose stylist has to be considered among the greats, and I feel that she is a much better 'western' writer than someone like McCarthy.

Does anyone else on /lit/ read her?
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>>23227572
For me, I think it could have been half the length it is. There's a lot in the second act that seems extraneous, and as you say, there are parts that don't exactly pay off. The first and third acts are great, though.
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>>23224374
Hmmm I put her on the list for some reason or other but she kept getting pushed back. I really must take a look. I like books about pioneers, forging determinedly west and growing food and performing other useful activities.

H. L. Mencken thought she was the cat’s pyjamas, IIRC.
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i've read death comes for the archbiahop and the great plains trilogy. where do i go next? does she have any more tomboy books?
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>>23229291
The Professor's House is very good. Shadows on the Rock is remarkably comfy.
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>>23224374
nope, it's still faulkner, though i admire your concession in choosing a white woman this time


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