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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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>Germany in late 1944-early 1945
>kraut soldiers refuse to just leave the dutch people alone

>US in 1969-1970
>soldiers are completely disillusioned with the war in vietnam, just want to do there time and go home

Why is this? Surely the average German soldier realized by 1945 how evil and immoral the war they were fighting was?
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>>5804038
>how evil and immoral the war they were fighting was?

This is a meme and you know it.
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>>5804038
pretty weak bait OP, try again

>"Why wasn't Hitler accepted into art school? He was such a talented painter!!1!11!!"
When will this meme die?
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>>5803904
Where do you think you are?
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>>5803673
REALLY getting sick of this "Nazis did it so it's bad!" reflexive thinking. Especially when it comes from people that almost to a man trip over themselves to defend monstrous contemporary architecture.
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>>5802348

This. The school he was applying for wasn't some night class teaching the basics of how to paint. It was incredibly prestigious, focused on taking already good artists and making them great.
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>>5803236

Postcards are normally small versions of full size paintings.
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>>5804043
>stereotypical jewish modern art
>good

Is stirner the most based philosopher?
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Basedness is a spook.

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why is Unification of Italy so overlooked?
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>>5804000
Because it never happened.
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>>5804000
Whacking day?
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if you havent realised by now popular history is an absolute joke. that is why

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What made spices so valuable?
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>>5801390
I have no idea where you heard this but it’s not true. The majority of white Americans are descended from Western Europeans.
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eat unseasoned food for a whole month straight and you'll realize why europeans decided to travel across the entire globe for spices.
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>>5801390
>Most white Americans trace there origin to an Eastern European/caucuses famine
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>>5804020
I've actually come to prefer the simple honest flavor of plain unspiced oatmeal.
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>>5804020
>Only Europeans traded spices
Are you daft?
>Europeans didn't have spice
Southern Europe before the Colombian exchange had the exact same custine as the Middle East. Goat milk and lamb/goat meat, Olives/Olive Oil, chicken Garlic, Parsley, Wine/Grapes, Honey, various fish and seafood like Squid.

I don't really get the meme. Yeah, some regions of Europe—particularly Northern Europe and the British Isles—are known for bland food. But other regions are renown for top tier food. And it wasn't really different in antiquity.

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One of the most contentious subjects in all fields of social sciences and humanities is the question of race and IQ. The question can be understood as a battleground of two rival ideological camps: the hereditarians on one hand, who believe such differences are largely genetic in origin (e.g. Arthur Jensen), and the environmentalists on the other, who believe they are mostly or entirely environmental (Flynn, Turkheimer, etc.).

My question to you all is the following: is there indeed an unspoken rule in academia against researching this sort of thing, as some purport? And if so, is such a moratorium more likely to harm or help humanity in the long run?

For instance, if rigorous genetic studies demonstrated that certain differences between populations with regard to psychometric parameters were substantially the result of genetic factors--for example, using fancy new genomic techniques like GWAS--how would the western world respond to this information? Would this data be taken by extremists as evidence that racism was morally correct all along? Does the current political atmosphere surrounding intelligence research make this outcome more likely?
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>>5803865
>the most likely thing measured by IQ is the degree to which one's thought process conforms to modern western liberal academic culture.
The fact there are fuckwits who unironically believe this is sad. Liberalism is worse than cancer and the easiest way to identify a turbo brainlet.
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>>5803945
Because it's true
IQ is not some perfect objevtive measure of abstract intelligence
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>>5803945
It's true though. A concept such as a pattern in a numerical sequence is obvious to us because we have already been introduced to them in school. But put a numerical sequence pattern problem in front of an illiterate uneducated person and they wouldn't know what to make of it.
But it goes both way. You are used to thinking about abstract concepts that were introduced to you in school, but you wouldn't know how to find your way in a jungle. You would get lost immediately because you brain is not wired for that kind of intensive spatial orientation task.
The same uneducated person who grew up in a forest would have no problem keeping track of the path he is taking and remembering all the details so that he doesn't get lost and start walking in circles.
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>>5803980
Spouting shit from your mouth and stating that it's true won't make your statement any less bullshit.

>>5803986
>Blah blah blah blah false equivalence fallacy
IQ tests are an objective measurement of intellect and are universally used to determine intelligence all over the world. You're just don't like the results of tests because it shits all over your Negroid apologism.
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Niggers are objectively unevolved retarded apes that need to be genocided and replaced with actual humans. No amount of shilling for Egalitarian delusion will change biological facts.

Let's play Guess The Year.

I'll start
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>>5803985
1910
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>>5804002
1917
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Let's say that Italy is convinced that the chances of a Central Powers victory are better than an Entente victory, and decides to have a chance at regaining Savoy and Nice (as well as possible colonial gains) by joining World War 1 as a Central Power in early 1915 (let's say roughly when they joined OTL). What would be the effects on the war? Without an Italian front, more Austrian troops are freed up to fight the Russians, for one thing... Meanwhile, France has to get even more troops to fight in Savoy. Would the Central Powers win, it at least make it a truce?
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>>5799121
Cringe and bluepilled
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>>5798038
>I believe that France will be very hard pressed if they have to extend the front all along the western alps and in Provence
The same was thought about the already over-stretched and failing Austria-Hungary, and they still managed to push into Venice.
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>>5802915
First of all French lands were offered during the first negotiations when the central powers tried to be guaranted of italian neutrality. It was something like "stay out of the war, continue to trade with us and when all will be over you will obtain nice, corsica and something in middle east". Italy refused the deal because it was afraid that this position could be considered a sort of declaration of belligerancy against the entente, and if the entente had win ...
Moreover French assimilation of Nice ran very fast, Corsica was seen as a small Sardigna and Tunisia with all the troubles endured in Lybia so the gain was not worth the risk
The gaining of Trento and Trieste was seen as the natural conclusion of the risorgimento and they were inhabited by italians
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>>5802963
That's true
Also Germany was interested to avoid the Italian control over the city
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There is no way that A-H would give up Trieste. It was one of the first cities to be linked to Vienna by railway and was a crucial port for the empire.

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>>5803990
Eternal Anglo
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>>5803990
He's an Englishman
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Just younger, without the moustache and a lot smaller earlobes
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>>5803973
Mosley, weirdly, looks alot like Assad
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Biggest difference is that I have a mustache and am a lot taller than him.

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What if France won the Seven Years War?
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i think there would be no US
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>>5803742
>i think there would be no US

If only, what a world.
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France keeps Canada, but won't take over the british colonies
Britain might not be so eager to resist the american demands after losing a war so possible that the US doesn't declare independence.
Prussia loses Silesia, Austria becomes stronger

France might take some land in India, build a bigger fleet and be even richer.

The revolution might still hit them though and this time there might not be as powerful a Britain to oppose them.
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>>5803716
>the most they can do is cripple Prussia and have Spain reannex Portugal
>have spain reannex Portugal
This can only go well...
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>>5803713

Conflict only took part in a few select areas of the world.

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>ruled by vikangz
>ruled by mongols
>ruled by german aristocracy
>ruled by a georgian
>only win battles if they have a crushing numerical advantage
why are Ivans such cucks?
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>Ivans are so butthurt about being slaves for their entire existence that they change the subject
lmao
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>>5802853
>ith you slavophiles, you just grasp at straws. Your dumb theory has no solid backing. Normanist theory has not only linguistic backing, but also archaeological and written, and not just one source but numerous and different.

Russians weren't ever known for their battle prowess - unlike the Serbs.
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>>5803179
>Swedtards claim to be Rus
>Don't even know where the word come from
>Found out some shithole with letters R and S there (any country has one)
>WE WUZ!
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>>5803671
>Russians weren't ever known for their battle prowess - unlike the Serbs.

How many nations did Serbs exterminate?
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>>5803988
>How many nations did Serbs exterminate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Battles_involving_Montenegro

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Hypothetically, if the EU were to collapse and resort to military conflict, what would it look like in current year? Let's say if the EU seeks to impose control over countries that want to secede and defend their sovereignty.

Would there be trenches all over again?
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>>5803756
lol is that dude gonna throw that rock at some krauts?
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>>5803960
>>5803960

>Like how? All out war as in the world wars were conventional only because of the technology at the time.

Like I said. Drone strikes and assassinations on the home front. It will make life suck, you'll be under curfew and you'll be getting blown up anyway, but it won't be enough to trigger a nuclear response.

>The thought crossed my mind because of the rising tensions against the authoritarian EU. Everything comes to an end eventually.

I'm definitely not as anti-EU as you are. It's the kind of thing that can be reformed. Brexit might just be a thing. It could force the EU to become more responsive, and Britain will gradually slide back in anyway.

But I am worried a war will happen in my lifetime. That's the other way it could go. There will definitely be a far, far bigger migrant crisis in ten to twenty years from now, because of climate change, and if we fuck up this one, we're definitely going to fuck up that one. And the answer can't be to let people move to Europe, so lefties hate me too.
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>>5803998

Serbia is Russia.
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>>5803995
Then you haven't met any and are clearly just an American meming shit you heard on the Internet.
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>>5804014
I'm from the UK and I've met plenty. One of my best friends is a lady who lived in Greece for many many years before the financial troubles ruined her and her husband (who is greek). They've had to move to the north of the UK for a better life (the north of the UK is the poorest part of northern europe, thats how bad things are in Greece these days). Both of them hate Germany, hate the EU and honestly believe their government was threatened with things like assassination to make them comply with the fiscal measures imposed. I am not making this up

Who would win and in what order?
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>>5803724
Yes
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>>5803381
this ugly motherfucker can kill all 3
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>>5803546
>Knight gets shot and is now dead
Not if we're talking 15th century knights. Early gunpowder weapons had reached Europe by then, and Plate armor had reached a peak of bullet resistance at range.
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>>5803381
I want a musketeer gf
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>>5803381
who made this?

>look at you! You have horses! What were you thinking?

But really tho
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>>5803883
In retrospect it truly is an annoying line of dialogue that could only occur from the perspective of a modern writer. People of the time would find nothing overly antiquated about the use of horses.
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>>5803883
Everyone had horses, you think they were hauling everyone and everything around in jeeps?
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>>5803897
The Americans seemed to be
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>>5803896

Siegfried Knappe, a german artillerist, writes that he was so dismayed when he joined the german artillery prior to the outbreak of the war and realized that the majority of the infantry was horse powered and not motorized.


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