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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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ITT: All things Germanic here
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The Gutenstein scabbard, found near Sigmaringen, Baden-Württemberg, is a late testimony of pagan ritual in Alemannia, showing a warrior in ritual wolf costume, holding a ring-spatha.
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out of these plates , one shows a similar scene . but the plates are found further north all the way in modern day Torslunda , Swedan . The plates all depict scenes from Germanic mythology . Showing a north to south continuity between Germanic peoples and their pagan religion .
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>>7933979
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Map of where Elder Futhark inscriptions have been found , corresponding with the areas settled by Germanic peoples in antiquity and the migration era .

Whats the deal with Ireland? Since when was it NOT a part of the UK, wtf? this some sort of mandela effect or was it always not uk
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>>7933303
De Valera agreed to negotiations with the British Government on the basis that no full 32 country Irish Republic was being offered-this was long before Collins was even involved in negotiations. De Valera then returned to Ireland, elevated his position as President to a ceremonial head of state and sent Collins an Co. in his stead to negotiate.
Aka, the partition of Ireland was accepted by De Valera and then given to Collins.
>De Valera went against the partition of Ireland
He didn't really. He toured the countryside telling people to kill Collins and the Provisional Government, then when both the Irish people and the Irish Republican Brotherhood all gave their support to the Treaty he got sad and almost quit politics.
When he was offered an end to partition in the 1940s he also declined, and is defined by his realisation that throughout the revolution he was basically a mouthpiece and little more.

The ridding of Land Annuities was moreso the work of Lemass than De Valera.
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>>7933336
Cool, I'm just baiting by the way lad. How come Dev was never sent to prison during the Civil War or after the Civil War?
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>>7933370
I figured, but it's always good to put the information out.
>How come De Valera wasn't sent to prison during the Civil War
De Valera became a literally who during the Civil War. People mistake the Civil War for being a conflict that engulfed all circles of Ireland, in reality it was essentially just the anti-treaty IRA against the National Army. While De Valera remained to be a symbol of the anti-treaty side in some ways, he was largely involved at any of the higher levels of the anti-treaty side and spent the war more or less keeping out of the way.
>After the Civil War
He was imprisoned. Following his support of the ceasefire in 1923 he went into hiding, but later when trying to stand for election he was arrested and kept imprisoned before later being released. He was then arrested again in Newry for entering Northern Ireland, and held in Crumlin Road Gaol.
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>>7932089
He shouldn't have supported the treaty, his beliefs would've had far more resonance among anti-treatyites than pro-treatyites.
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>>7933747
Anyone who didn't support the treaty in practice was a retard. Almost everyone had at least some level of disdain for it, but anyone who tried to oppose its implementation was completely and utterly gormless.

Do you believe there will ever come a time where our modern views on gender equality are reverted back to the traditional belief of a chauvinistic society where women have few freedoms?

I think this is often a topic we overlook at just how differently women are treated in our modern society compared to ever before. Never have women had such personal liberties and freedoms through history, this is a first. It don't see a way in which our society could consciousnesly revert back. Even the most conservative of politicians view women as our equals now and there has been prominent conservative female politicians, such as Margaret Thatcher.

Is this trend global? Even in notoriously chauvinistic societies, like in the Middle East, women are slowly but gradually being granted more rights than they have before. If the likes of Saudi Arabia want to attract more international business like they plan, then they'll gradually have to change their societies views on women.

So, is this it? Is the future for women worldwide to be granted equal rights as males? Is there even a possiblity of their rights being taken away?
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>hahaha is you criticize the modern arrangement you are a chauvinist who wants women back in the kitchen.

Its really quite worrysome that so many people have no idea what "the other team" want or what their ideology entails. Its a really big problem for people who on the left - they seem to have no idea what the right is about.
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>>7932750
Hopefully.
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Margaret Thatcher ruined England
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>>7916974
>My point is that "disenfranchised males" don't matter at all and won't do a single thing
Who's more likely to rebel against the system violently? Someone with a great job and a family(a lot to lose) or one of those disenfranchised men who feel embittered with absolutely nothing to lose?
Historically it was ALWAYS those men that represented the contrarian extremism. Only thing that changed over the years is that people now aren't (mostly) starving, but are missing other, basic fulfillment. The ideological centre between two competing powers(for example communism and nazism) is always just there to be swayed.
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>>7933889
According to Libertarian thinking everyone is free to act however they want at any point in time, therefore they are entirely responsible for how they act, and so these men have no excuse to rebel and should feel ashamed of themselves for suggesting it. They should just be rational and moral and decide not to do the wrong thing and then rationally and intelligently free will themselves into a better position in life without infringing on the rights and autonomy of other individuals.

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How historically accurate is this movie? Were there blacks in the British army?
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>>7932853

we don't have them do anything. hollywood employs a lot of british actors.
that said, i think more people go to see british films - ones made in britain - than french ones.
your only big name now is gaspar noe and edge isn't fashionable at the moment.
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>>7931518
"Normans" is a creation from the British Historian during 1800-1900 to hide the shameful fact they were conquered and dominated by French for centuries.
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>>7930335
Why always niggers? Wouldn‘t Indians be more likely anyway? Why is the only allowed display of diversity including more blacks?
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>>7928666
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun
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In fact, it is really funny how much Ukrainian and Belarusian cultures are rooted in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. If we discard the influence of the Soviet period and plunge into native cultures, it becomes obvious how close they are to each other and at the same time differ from the Russian one. More than 300 years have passed since the absorption of these lands by Russia, but the echoes of that era are still felt in the culture
Btw, in music it is especially felt (pre-communist music):
https://soundcloud.com/sarkozuhus/sets/ruthenian-moments-1
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>>7932314
>Gonna call them chickens and pigs!
>Take that, Mykola, you are a pig! And you, Michas, are a cock! You are animals.
...
>They surely will like me now! Become R*ssian or I call you pig!
This is how modern R*ssians communicate. By curses, swearwords, kicks and strikes. They forgot the Russian language itself, it is some Jewish-Chechen criminal argot now,
Who in their sane mind would tolerate a violent brainlet snownigger close by, much less live with then in a gulag.
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>>7933061
Certainly not a person who gets easily triggered by a sosach-tier bait, I see.
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What kind of nation would proudly call itself BorderLands?
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>>7933907
Denmark (the march of the Danes)
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>>7933003
>they were Jews?
>essentially the Jewish emigration
No they were not. Jews immigrated during the same period though. Lots of people came here from Minsk, Grodno, Volhynia, Kiev and other places. They tended to stick together in communities on the Eastern Seaboard, Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio, Illinois. They called themselves Russian, spoke Russian and mixed with the few people who had come from near Moscow. After the the Revolution the Whites mixed with them. People didn't generally make a distinction.
>essentially the Jewish emigration
They came to America too because the period of 1890-1914 was a time when it was very possible to do so. There was high demand for unskilled labor, and Americans were making way more money. The Jews also had an impetus to leave because they knew that they would be more wealthy in America. They preferred the American system to an Orthodox Monarchy, which they later helped to de-establish.

>I'm gonna be brutally honest
And I've been brutally honest with you as well (if you're the same guy as above). The positions I hold are identical to those held by some in Belarus. I'm just on their side. Honestly, from my personal knowledge as well as research, most people in Belarus are somewhat indifferent to nationalisms. It's not that big of a deal to them. They just want to live in peace.

>silly for your relatives to consider themseles anything but the Americans
Right now, there are Americans advocating for the exact opposite position from me. There are people here, who have no ancestral connection to Belarus, who have taken the side of the Litvin nationalists and propped them up. This is done for political reasons, and in my opinion, it hurts the people in Belarus.
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When did strawmanning become the dominant form of online discussion?
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>>7933866
they took over the entire internet?
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>>7933876
no but clearly all the places where you hang out
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Probably the moment that the majority of internet users were the average person.
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>>7933858
When online discussions started.
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When people believe in something it's fundamentally impossible for them to imagine not believing it. For example, if you're religious imagine being an atheist for an hour and vice-versa. That's why the most common tactic among reactionaries is saying "we're ALL reactionary I'm just brave enough to say it." People are genuinely ahistorical, it's hard to examine your beliefs as an outcropping of centuries of thought evolving into what we conciser now, take pic related for example. This comic is clearly anti-feminist but doesn't actually portray feminism as a schismatic and constant collage of ideas, but rather a linear process going from the good thing to the bad thing. (Also, 2nd wave feminism is the bad kind. If you hate neoliberals they're the neoliberals) I can't find a version for another group but I'm sure they exist.

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>dating app come along
>"this is the best time to be a woman"
>"you go girl!!!"
>"wow I can have with a different guy every night, isn't it amazing?"
>"lol have sex incel"
>"but wait, buy my bath water"
>AI waifus can potentially become a thing
>"WE NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, IT PUT OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IN DANGER"
If women have value beyond just their bodies then why do they always fight against them being seen as regular humans?
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>>7933815
where's the lie?
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>>7933950

Inshallah brother. This truly, it will be the end of thots and incels. ISIS had it right.
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>>7933849
>he got a new one with her money.
>with her money
where does it say that?
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>>7933971
Blocking does nothing to stop you niggers, you will just make a new account or get a burner phone and keep tormenting your victim.

A bullet to your head works, though.
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>>7933977
In the reddit post that goes with the picture.

Currently posting from an Orthodox monastery I've been at for months. Ask me anything
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>>7920053
are you the bear?
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>>7932674
I don't think you understand what canonization means dude.

Stalin tried it once and no one paid attention to him because he wasn't even really orthodox, or a hierarch. Stop trolling
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>>7932682
Totally not doctored lol
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>>7932724
Only if you do 10,000 prostration in response

Next
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>>7933855
No I am the beer

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Post and talk about language here. What languages are you learning?

I have a question if anyone knows. Did various romance languages develop thier various ways because of differences in the tribes that invaded Roman territory or is there some other factor? Like how did Occitan develop differently from French or Spanish

pic unrelated
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Tried learning Irish for the hell of it. Figured out why the Irish people are letting it go extinct
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>>7928902
Mandarin.

For a language with so many native speakers, high quality resources sure are few and far between. My troubles with this language have really been endless.
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Bump
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>>7928902
>>7932264
I can speak German, English and Mandarin fluently.
I also had French in school, but I’m hardly using it at all now, so it’s pretty bad.

>>7932264

I agree that Mandarin is hard to learn compared to Indo-European languages for Europeans. Took me 4 years to get good at it. But I never thought there was a shortage of learning resources.
May I ask what you are currently using, what parts of the language you are struggling with the most?
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/int/ has a thread for this

When did stalking first start to become a widespread thing? Seems the anonymity and large numbers of an industrial era city make it possible. You wouldn't really stalk someone in a medieval village because everyone knows you and lives in close proximity. Weirdos probably just got beaten up or something. Plus most people didnt have exes to stalk as they got married and that was that.

Are there any famous stalkers in history before the 19th century?

Why did it take so long for Abolitionism to exist, let alone be popular enough to actually start enacting change?

Why did it take so long for people to realize slavery was bad?
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>>7932018
>for being among the worst if not the worst for a reason.
US slaves were better off than in the absolute hell holes of Bermuda or Brazil. They still lived absolute dogshit lives, but the cultivation of sugar and sugar derivatives is typically considered one of the worst crops to grow. Since these places also had even worse master to slave ratios that the Southern US, slave codes and slave treatment was often far more brutal in these colonies.
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>>7922699
Money.

Slavery made money. Giving it up meant giving up free labor for moral reasons. Sociopaths and narcissists naturally resisted having to do anything that wasnt for their own benefit.
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>>7932733
This also Barbados and Saint-Domingue. The whole West Indies really.
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>>7922699
i read it as abortionists lol

also why is slavery bad? it gets shit done
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>>7922699
After the jews had imported blacks to the new world, people became wise to the shitty behaviour of blacks and thus saw slavery has a way to keep them away from the general public. The same reason the abolition movement struggle to get a foothold was the same reason slavery was banned in many states before it took hold

Are they the same race?
>same clothing
>same music
>same dance moves
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>>7930672
Yes, just like the Americans.
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>>7932616
they do not smell as bad but are more violent
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>>7930672
No
Georgians = Hurro-Urartian Kassites
Russians = Slavs
Turks = Altaic
Armenians = Indo-European
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>>7930672
circassians are just pussified steppe niggers
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>>7933969
Language is not a race.

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what is your theory for why the bronze age collapsed?
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>>7933503
proof ?
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>>7933473
Plague
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>>7933473
It wasn't very sustainable in the first place, so it had to collapse eventually. In some places (Indus Valley) it collapsed earlier, in others (Northern Europe) somewhat later. Though it did manage transform directly into the Iron Age in other paces (China).
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it never did and there is no evidence.
it doesn't even make sense. magically for 500 years all of the meditaranean but Egypt never had anyone die, write or do anything.
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>>7933473
The Mediterranean really is a shitty place for a civlization to exist. There's little freshwater, there's little rain, and very little grows on those rocky islands. It took strong willpower for the Greeks to carve out the birth of western civilization there.

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How the FUCK could the Arabs beat this?
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>>7933420
literal orthodox cope, iconoclasm became popular as a response to the muslim success
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>>7932971
The sassanids and byzantines had a major slugging fight beforehand leaving them weak and easy to conquer
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>>7933455
>But the Seljuks!
You mean the people who BTFO the Arabs and made them their bitch for centuries?
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>"Of that Byzantine empire, the universal verdict of history is that it constitutes, without a single exception, the most thoroughly base and despicable form that civilization has yet assumed. There has been no other enduring civilization so absolutely destitute of all forms and elements of greatness, and none to which the epithet "mean" may be so emphatically applied ... The history of the empire is a monotonous story of the intrigues of priests, eunuchs, and women, of poisonings, of conspiracies, of uniform ingratitude."
—William Lecky

>"Its [Byzantium's] general aspect presents a disgusting picture of imbecility: wretched, nay, insane passions, stifles the growth of all that is noble in thoughts, deeds, and persons. Rebellion on the part of generals, depositions of the Emperors by means or through the intrigues of the courtiers, assassinations or poisoning of the Emperors by their own wives and sons, women surrendering themselves to lusts and abominations of all kinds."
—Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

>"The history of the Greek Empire is nothing but a tissue of revolts, seditions, and perfidies."
-- Montesquieu

>"There exists another history, more absurd than the history of Rome since the time of Tacitus: it is the history of Byzantium. This worthless collection contains nothing but declamations and miracles. It is a disgrace to the human mind."
-- Voltaire

>“Let us not follow the example of the Byzantine Empire, which, being pressed from all sides by the barbarians, became the laughing-stock of posterity because it was preoccupied with petty quarrels while the battering-ram was breaking through the city gates"

-- Napoleon
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>>7933912
All of those except based Nappy are cringe.


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