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*defeats american imperialism*
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>>6016998

Your shitty arguments addressed here.

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>>6011354

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>>6016512
The Han dynasty and Cao Wei defeated the Xiongnu, Jie, Qiang, Di and Wuhuan and mass deported the defeated barbarians into Northern China to use as slaves. The Xianbei who filled the steppe power vacuum the Xiongnu left after China's deportations. The Xianbei tribes Tuoba, Murong, and Duan, submitted as vassals to the Han Chinese Western Jin and were made into feudal fiefs of the Western Jin. The Tuoba ruled as Dukes of the Dai fief, the Murong as Dukes of the Liaodong fief, the Duan as Dukes of Liaoxi fief. After the Xiongnu and Jie slaves revolted, the Xianbei tribes Tuoba and Murong helped the Western Jin fight against the Xiongnu and Jie. The Xianbei Tuoba tribe later defeated all the other rival five barbarians and founded Northern Wei. Xianbei were originally loyalists to the Western Jin and internal vassal of China, being bestowed feudal titles placing them under Western Jin sovereignty. The Xianbei left the steppe power vacuum to be filled by the Rouran. The Gokturk Turks overthrew the Rouran. The Tang Chinese defeated the Turks and deported Gokturk Turks into north China. The Xueyantuo filled the steppe vacuum. The Tang Chinese defeated the Xueyantuo. The Gokturk Turks filled the vacuum again. The Uyghurs overthrew the Gokturk Turks and filled the power vacuum. The Tang Chinese and Yenisei Kyrgyz destroyed the Uyghurs. The Yenisei Kyrgyz only briefly stick around before leasing a vacuum. The Khitan fill the power vacuum. The Mohe Jurchen defeat the Khitan. The Shiwei Mongols fill the final power vacuum and that us why Mongols live there today.
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>>6016466
>Its like the only thing chinese are good at is dying. And citizens are killed in the most horrific ways imaginable.

Han Chinese comitted the first completely successful genocide in history on a nomadic people, the Jie, and did mass ethnic cleansing, deportations, and killing of Qiang, Xiongnu, and Di barbarians.

>The most brutal massacre in modern history happened here, plus unit 747
Unit 731 also dissected Mongols and the only nukings in history happened to Japan.
>This is why they treat their own workers like slaves to where chinese companies have to set up anti suicide nets.

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/05/health/japan-youth-suicide-intl/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan


>These “people” put lead in their own babys milk formula, pollute their own air, distribute fake life saving medication, and cut corners on everything so they produce the cheapest products on earth with no regard for the safety of the user

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>>6013787
>don't have many aircraft
>use them sparingly
>have best SAM defense grid in the world
>????
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>>6017327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aokigahara#Suicides

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5883733/#q5885726

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5963382/#q5963436

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

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which one will the US invade next?
justify your choice.
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>>6017281
What if you use historical methodology to do so?
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People don't understand that America has a Latin American population too big for it to invade anywhere in Latin America. A third of the country would be outraged for invading their homeland, and another third would be outraged because they'd percieve it as racist, or are pacifists, or are inherent opponents of whatever administration happens to be in charge at the time. Imagine if a third of America was 1st generation Vietnamese immigrants when the Vietnam war happened.
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>>6017298
Wrong. People tend to become Americanized really quickly. Give it one generation and they think of traditional American history as their own, because it is. My wife’s grandfather was born in Mexico. She’s American.
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Chinkland
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>>6017286
just one man's thought on the subject:
"In sum, historians don’t predict the future because they’re cognizant of the fact that history itself is unpredictable. Nothing is inevitable, nothing occurred “just because.” Likewise, historians understand that past trends don’t necessarily translate to future outcomes and that the observation of one event does not mean it will occur again in the future...Nobody can prove those theories one way or the other, and I believe that’s a huge problem for assessing quality scholarship."
https://pastexplore.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/why-historians-dont-predict-the-future/

I tend to agree with this.

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Admit it... you would.
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>>6017145
How do you feel about the breakup of Yugoslavia?
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>>6017145
What do you think of the fourth crusade?
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>>6017145
Is this bump on the back of my head a tumor?
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>>6017100
Cute
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>>6017145
How are princesses at fucking?

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Well, /his/?
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Should've put Slavic for Hirohito.
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>>6017320
Or "Chinese"

So have you ever wondered how many soldiers secretly developed a crush for Florence Nightingale while she was nursing them but unable to confess their feelings?
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>>6015359
God I hope so, that'd be so hot
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>>6015879
Those are very flattering pics m8. She's only in her early 30s here and looks old.
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>>6017019
Because she'd seen things... you wouldn't believe
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She’s actually really pretty compared to many women of the time, and its likely that many men developed feelings for her as she was the one nursing them back to health and she may have been one of the few women they’ve seen in a while. It wouldn’t be too broad to assume that she had many men who did have certain feelings for her whether platonic or otherwise. Wow that’s a lot :(
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It was probably better being a Ruskie in World War I since there was a chance you'd be nursed back to health by Olga and Tatiana. Tatiana apparently developed pretty deep (and reciprocated) romantic feelings with at least one soldier she was treating as well.

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No, seriously, why is the US seemingly so mad and dysfunctional in contrast to its Anglo brothers like Canada and Australia? What's the root cause of American political culture being so fucked up and straight up third worldly at times?

For example, universal healthcare. Why is this even an issue in the US? What is it about American culture that created this feeling against it, that somehow is not present in Australia? Their histories seem similar enough, frontier wild cowboy esque lands of British descendant hooligans, so what gives? Where did paths diverge so much?

There are many other examples of this, but I think the healthcare one is the most known
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>>6017273
Obamacare could have worked. It was designed to be industry friendly (insurers), which should have appealed to conservatives.
In the end, Americans just could not shake the feeling that it was a giveaway to blacks. America has been trying desperately to destroy it since day 1.
Insurance pooling and risk sharing was too difficult a concept to sell, easily derailed by racial resentments.
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Slavery is a big part. You always had 10% of the population you didn't want to share wealth with.

Economic mobility for Whites is lowest in the South and inequality the highest. You can convince poorfag to vote against modern state functions if they think it will keep them above another group.

US elites love playing groups off each other. Literally 8% of our "democracy" has no voting rights because both Dems and Reps gain benefits from a giant illegal Mexican peasantry they imported.
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>>6017303
And voila’. A plutocracy is born.
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>>6017297
>giveaway to blacks
that's what the majority of social programs are so it's kind of a moot point
the only problem with Obamacare was that it raised rates for people who already could afford insurance, which triggered an nearly unanimous "fuck you got mine" reaction from those people who suddenly found their insurance to be expensive
after the rates went up, that's why so many republicans started campaigning on repealing the ACA
this whole "Americans will destroy themselves if it also hurts black people" sentiment is misplaced, there are plenty of racists, but the majority of the population doesn't really care about black people as a whole, they don't feel strongly one way or another about them
they do care if you just doubled the cost of their insurance
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>>6017297
You actually have it exactly backwards. Obamacare was designed to fail. They wanted single payer but knew Americans would never go for it. They created a monstrosity that nobody liked so that it would collapse on itself. Once it collapsed, they could go straight for single payer as a remedy. I’m a healthy man in my 30s. Why am I paying $400 a month with a $6000 deductible just for myself?
When a law is enacted that guarantees an industry money, the cost goes up dramatically because it can. Look at the university system. College used to be affordable. The federal government steps in to guarantee loans and the cost skyrockets. Same principle.

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Lets play a game , we describe very bizarre and almost forgotten things of our country history and we try to guess which country are we talking about
>A war for bird poop
>Army enters enemy country and find chinese slaves on mines
>Entire division of chinese that offered to join your country army is created
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>>6017233
You're in the right direction with the cold but my country isn't in Europe
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>>6017219
>A
>Fucking
>Leaf
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>>6017233
also the hats were a bigger deal in other parts of the world rather than my country which is why they had most of the land for a long time
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>>6017331
bingo
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>>6017331
it takes one to know one

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Who was the worst WW1 general?
Haig, Nivelle, Cadorna, Evert?
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>>6016437
Thanks
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>>6016116
Check out the average age of WWI leaders.
They were the baby boomers of the 1910s. Bunch of old, privileged jackoffs who grew up in a time when Europe was at its absolute zenith and consequently took all of their blessings for granted. No one had it better than 19th century Europeans so of course someone had to squander it all because things got ‘boring’ and ‘monotonous’.
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>>6016116
technology had changed dramatically in a short time period and they had no knowledge of how to use the new toys they had
there's always a inertia in any government system, armies have always prepared to the last fight they were in
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>>6015937
The fact that you posted a picture of Cadorna suggests that you know damn well who it was.

Not that the rest of them weren't trying. Special credit goes to Enver Pasha, who forgot which army he was fighting with, and Conrad von Hotzendorf, who got half his army eaten by wolves.
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>>6015937
>Nivelle
Admittedly on the back of Pétain's mobilization of all spare artillery France could muster, and fighting against exhausted Germans, but he still oversaw the recapture of all ground lost to the Germans in the battle of Verdun...
He also was of those that pioneered creeping barrages that boasted the promise it had during the ending stages of Verdun, when the French used it to crawl to the German lines unscathed.

He is by no means a brilliant commander, and worsened his record by surrounding himself with sycophants like Charles Mangin, but was still a good general. I don't think a case has to be made for the Chemin des Dames (that's Nivelle offensive to you anglais) because that was a disaster, but we shouldn't forget that it was also one of France's less costly battles of the war (but also because the French army mutinied against its stretching out).
What people dismiss about the Chemin des Dames is that Neville's creeping barrages could've actually burst through the Germans, but:
a) the new German leadership of Luddendorff and Hindenburg had retreated the German army back tens of miles only a month before the battle, to shorten the front, meaning the French now had to attack from land sabotaged by the Germans (wells poisoned and the rest), and attack into land unknown to them
>by a sad tragedy for France, defense in depth was implemented by the German army with the new leadership, and therefore the usefulness of creeping barrage was undone
This is an ongoing theme in WWI: one army implements a new revolutionary tactic to win the war, and the other then implements another tactic that mitigates it
c) he bragged about the attack to everyone in Paris and that informed the Germans of the plan.

Anyways WWI thread.

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Why is it that Africans never progressed past stone age tools and hunting and gathering?

Was it Iq? or something more complicated?
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>>6017141
A decent defense.

Except:
-language root is the same 2/3, despite diversity of dialects. Rome has Latinate, Greek, Semitic, Gallic (just from INRI) plus dialects.
-religions are local pantheism vs islam at the time of Songhai peak. Roman peak has state pantheism, Jews and Christians, druidic, plus local folk belief. The palette, again, much larger.

Yeah its the same game; but Rome had more factors/factions to juggle, plus 1000 years less experience. Not saying Songhai didnt have it hard; it was kingdomtier difficulty. I am not atall discounting the Songhai as a legit kingdom and power. But i'm having a hard time slotting it in thesame league as SPQR.
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>>6017300
Some have argued that Constantine’s conversion to Christianity was really a ploy to unify the Empire by a religion.
Thus was born Christendom, which provided the glue for the emerging modern Western Civilization.
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>>6017309
Same move as Songhai Ture did with Islam.
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>>6017300
the region has several different tonal languages, and just as many non-tonal languages. Please, tell me they're just different dialects.
I have no problem saying they are similar, with Rome being larger and more pertinent to Western history. They are both really large empires.
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>>6016085
It might be worth pointing out the vast degree of genetic diversity in Africa. There is no "black race" worth mentioning, there are multiple African races, and north/east Africa plus the rest of the world. Why would it be surprising that there are black Africans with comparable intelligence to the rest of the developed world?

Why did Americans in the 1920s buy into the meme of "progress"? Do you think it truly came back after the great depression ended or were people just pretending? Did the 70's economic depression and 90's-present nihilism spell the end of optimism forever or do you think it can come back? Is the cold war to blame?

5 greatest conquerors in history

Alexander
Caesar
Napoleon
Cortes
Genghis Khan
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>>6016743
>doesn't include Cyrus the Great who conquered half of the world's population
Sad!
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Cyrus
Alexander
Qin Shi Huang
Genghis
Timur

Caesar and Napoleon were great commanders, but they didn't conquer as much territory as these five men did. They were working within already large and advanced empires and either reconquered or expanded them by a relatively minor degree. Not that that's meant as a detriment - I consider them to be in the top five greatest generals of all time. But their goals were somewhat different than just map-painting.
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>>6016958
Actually based and redpilled list, but maybe substitute qin shi huang or timur for ashoka
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>>6016958
>qin sui huang

No, Qin Dynasty is very small

I’ll start
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>>6017323
This isn't /tv/ you dingus. Is there something (a)historical about this movie?

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>one of the oldest existing cultures
>accomplished literally nothing

Why were the Australian aboriginals so technologically stagnant for their entire 40,000+ year history?
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>>6017307
They’re fucking idiots
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>>6017307
Man, look at the Abos that migrated to Tasmania. They basically lost all the technology their mainland counter parts formed.

They even have cave art depicting technology their ancestors once used before they forgot.
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>>6017307
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
They had food, water, shelter and culture and so there was no driving force for them to develop new technologies.

The Wehrmacht might get a bad rep by wehrboos exaggerating their accomplishments but they aren't as bad as unironic Luftwaffucktards who think every German pilot had over six gorillion kills
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>>6017199
Motivation and confidence play a big role in any battle. At the beginning of the war, Germans were very motivated to reclaim lost land and beat on France. When they attacked the Soviets, they were extremely confident and experienced. They were also very well disciplined yet free to make on the spot decisions. I’m rambling.
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>>6017199
>Luftwaffucktards
rolls right off the tongue


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