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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DESTROY MY FALSE IDOLS!!!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholics-worldwide-support-men-who-tossed-amazon-pachamama-idols-into-tiber
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>>7438071
>FALSE IDOLS
But my idols are true, your god is false
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>>7438343
>actually take their faith seriously and destroy idols
>y-you're the real LARPers, not us who only post online and are actually atheists who only support paganism for cultural reasons
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Abrahamic religion is absolutely cancer

It seeks to erase every culture in the world
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If you're worshipping Yahweh when not Jewish you are the OG embodiment of stockholm syndrome
>Better worship an ancient sumerian/Jewish God that enslaved all people to mine gold
>Let's worship a God that originates from a people who think we are worth less than a fingernail
You people are barely people. You are a disease that sets foot on Earth and poisons every well with stupidity.
Learn about where your frankenstein monster religion comes from and then you can have a say about your desert drivel. Until then you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>7439026
Isn’t there a display of foreskins?

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>Minoans were more related to arabs than to Europeans
what does /his/ think about this?
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>>7438964
God they are so beautiful, especially the one on the top right, I'm not Muslim but I wish my wife wore Hijab
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>>7438992
all of my fathers could beat up your fathers and take your mothers for themselves, in fact, they did
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>Why yes I do post in haplogroup threads, asserting my haplodominance over lesser haplotypes, how could you tell?
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>>7438473
Anatolian Bronze Age is literally Cretan like, so it won't help much.

Sicily has 10-15% post Neolitich Barcin MENA ancestry by way (but also 15-20% more steppe).

[1] distance%=5.3559 / distance=0.053559

Beaker_Sicily:I4930

Barcin_N 82.15
Yamnaya_Samara 8.8
Iran_N 6.9
WHG 2.15

[1] distance%=2.6726 / distance=0.026726

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>>7434279
Another first sentence fail

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>ooga booga primitive life good, modern life bad
When will this meme end? I'm sick of it. Modern life is 100% more easy, comfier and enjojable.
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>Thinks primitive life is better than modern life
>won't stfu about it
>doesn't go to a primitive shithole of a village in Africa to live the sooo much better primitive life he believes
This has to stop
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>>7438769
Well that's not my problem. Amerifats eating only shit is not problem of modern life. Europeans (more mediterraneans) eat healthy food most of the time.
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>worships primitive life and bronze age savagery
>can't get off twitter for 15 minutes
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>>7438858
Africa is not the same as Europe or any other country or continent.
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>>7438728
... due to an artificial environment.
You wouldn't stand a chance against our ancestors if you were in their shoes.

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>Britain is only 80,823 square miles or 209,331 square kilometers
>The UK is not even in the top 10 biggest countries in Europe

Is there any other nation that has lost so much territory? Britain is now a very small country. How were other great powers of Europe such as France, Germany and Spain able to keep large amounts of territory despite having far less isolated locations? Are the Brits the greatest and most iconic case of a former power losing huge amounts of territory?
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why can't burgers either dish out or handle banter?
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Please don't associate what I just said >>7438978
with what that guy just said >>7438996
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You faggots have to stop baiting the bongs with these discussions.

It's too easy, not sporting.
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>>7436485
>Britain is now a very small country. How were other great powers of Europe such as France, Germany and Spain able to keep large amounts of territory despite having far less isolated locations?
Colonies pay for themselves and channel resources back to the parent of the colony.If that's what you're getting at.

England hung onto its seaport colonies; islands in the middle of nowhere, for trade routes and airbases, whilst ditching the larger land based colonies which were too much effort for them. Or they essentially handed the mandates to America, hard to say, they aren't very open about themselves.
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>>7439041
>>7439120
Rent free.

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>be china after the 17th century
>be bad at war
>attempt zerg rush tactics with outdated gear
>get ass handed to them in almost every single conflict major conflict against European great powers
>lose not one but two wars to weebs
>korean war happens
>use zerg rush and tactics and outdated weapons
>somehow not get ass handed to them
were the communists that competent or were MacArthur and co. just that incompetent?
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>>7436123
MacArthur was a public General. Aka people loved him for his publicity. He wasn't that good of a military General and just about anyone could replace him and still came out on top.

Remember the President took shit for sacking him with the public, but it was necessary as fuck.
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>>7436404
The one child policy. Being doted on by 4 grandparents and 2 parents has created a whole generation of "little emperors".
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>>7435614
>>somehow not get ass handed to them
That was only because MacArthur was a fucking idiot, when Ridgway got to be in charge things went back to usual for China.
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>>7436909
Mc Arthur was a great man that saved many more lives he costed in every front he fought.

Not only Japan but every asian nation owes him.
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>>7438674
Interesting take

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Historically speaking, was the development of agric*lture what unleashed the world's descent into chaos?
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>>7439101
The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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>>7439101
maybe it gave us...
food?
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So what should we eat oh Varg wise man 24/7 posting on twitter?

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It's up

(not him, just a shill)
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>>7439056

Germanicus fell ill. Agrippina made him worse by telling him that he had been poisoned or bewitched. As was to be expected, Germanicus died, probably scared to death by his unbalanced wife. Even in our day, people are frightened to death as in the time of the influenza epidemic. Immediately Agrippina declared that Germanicus had been poisoned, and had his body stripped and exposed at the forum at Antioch. The historians do not agree as to the cause of his death. Suetonius says that he died of a lingering disorder, not without suspicion that he had been poisoned. Elsewhere he says that Tiberius and Piso were responsible. Tacitus charges his death to Livia and Tiberius, but in his Annales, he describes the death as the fruit of Livia's mysterious conferences with Plancina, Piso's wife. Why could not Tacitus permit two old and intimate friends to visit each other without assigning sinister designs to their visits? Dio says tht Germanicus' death was the result of a plot formed by Piso and Plancina. Tiberius may have been greatly provoked by Germanicus' mistakes, and no doubt Agrippina's volubility and excitability annoyed him, but Tiberius had no cause to hate Germanicus. Germanicus was the son of Tiberius' brother Drusus, whom Tiberius had tenderly loved; besides, he was Tiberius' adopted son and successor. That Tiberius and Livia had anything to do with Germanicus' death cannot be proved. That Piso and Plancina caused it is extremely improbable, for Piso seemed to Pclear himself of the charge of poisoning Germanicus. That Germanicus died of a slight disorder aggravated by his belief that he had been poisoned and Agrippina's unbalanced words and behavior is very likely. It is possible that Agrippina was in the early stages of insanity. Her brother Agrippa had been a madman; so was her son Drusus. After Livia's death, Tiberius had banished Agrippina to the island of Pandataria, where she starved to death.
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>>7437503
>(Unbiased History)
don't even have to look past this little detail to know this channel is trash
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>>7439088

Tacitus says that Sejanus began to rouse the old hatred of Livia against the children of Germanicus. But is this justified?
Germanicus left six kids- Nero, Drusus, Gaius, Agrippina, Drusilla, and Livilla. At 17, Nero was recommended by Tiberius to the favor of the Senate who asked that Nero be permitted to become quaestor early. Tiberius bestowed priestly office upon him, and betrothed him to Julia, daughter of his son Drusus, and gave presents to all the Roman people on the day that the young prince assumed the toga virilis. Tiberius showed the same favor to Drusus when three years later he came to man's estate. Gaius lived at first with his mother. When she was banished he lived with Livia, in praise of whom, after her decease, he pronounced a funeral oration on the Rostra, though he was only a boy. He called her Ulysses in petticoats, in allusion to her cleverness. Agrippina Tiberius betrothed to Gnaeus Domitius who he preferred on the account of the antiquity of his family and his close relations to the Caesars. He married Drusilla to Lucius Cassius and Livilla to Marcus Vincius, a man of no social or political prominence, but of character.
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>>7439123

Certainly, we see no signs of hatred directed against any of these children by either Livia or Tiberius. All of the evils that befell Agrippina and her family happened AFTER Livia's death. It is securely fair to accuse a dead woman of causing these calamities. Tacitus, evidently forgetting what he had said in a former chapter, declares that Tiberius dispatched letters against Agrippina and Nero. Since these, he says, were read in the Senate soon after the death of Livia, the people believed them to have been sent long before, but have been suppressed by her.

The third charge made against Livia was that she was overfond of the ruling, and carrying things with a high hand. This cannot be denied. Tacitus says that there was a tradition that Tiberius had been driven from Rome by the restless spirit of his mother. Suetonius tells of a violent quarrel during which Livia brought forth and read certain letters from Augustus to her complaining of the sourness and insolence of Tiberius. It provoked Tiberius so much that it is sometimes cited as one of the causes that led Tiberius to go into retirement. Dio speaks of Livia as not satisfied to rule on equal terms with Tiberius, but as wishing to assert superiority over him. It was chiefly on her account, he adds, that Tiberius removed to Capri.
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Make the next video about the shitty personal reasons avatar oc from 2007 so we never have to see it in another video.

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Why is the dutch part of Beligum not in the Netherlands again?
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>>7437738
Wallonia is a huge money sink and a highly corrupt one.
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>>7437738
"Why would anyone want fucking Wallonia to be part of them?" is a better question.
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>>7438645
Wrong. German, Dutch and Flemish are just dialects of Lowland Scots
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>>7437738
Wallonia is poor compared to Flanders
Flemish want to cut off ties so that the government doesn't direct money from Flanders to Walloon development

Similar to Catalonia and Spain
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>>7437738
Wallonia is for Belgium just like Quebec is for Canada or Mississippi for the US

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Do Christians actually believe these Facebook-tier stories of Jesus's debates with the Pharisees actually happened? What seems more likely is that this semi-literate carpenter walking around claiming to be God got immediately BTFO'd by all the rabbis and later his disciples made up stories of him winning debates with them for polemical purposes.
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>>7434220

"Dude just pay your taxes"

AMAZING
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>>7438346
see
>>7435954
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>>7438463

"Dude do you want to join a pointless doomed struggle against an infinitely superior foe?"

"No"

AMAZING

(Im not saying anything abt Jesus here, just the author describing a pretty bland exchange as something that would make the entire class stand up and clap)
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>>7434236
AAAHAHHHAHAH
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>>7438698
>"Dude do you want to join a pointless doomed struggle against an infinitely superior foe?"

yet the jews ended up doing exactly that after they killed him

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this triggers the alt righter
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Well I couldn't make something like this at the beach so more power to them
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>>7438914
Reconstructception
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>>7438896
I wish they'd find new material.
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>>7438896
Rebuilded by a European
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>>7438914
Mostly because it's remade every year due to local conditions being so shitty.

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PINGAS
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>>7439111
pingas?
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Snoo-ping-as usual I see.

Chinese believe, that in actual fact, Nationalist/Communist China was the most powerful combatant on the Allied side during the Second World War, vastly outperforming both the Soviets and the Western allies, to say nothing of the Japanese.

Communist China crushed America and Britain in North Korea. The Soviets destroyed the entire Japanese Kwantung Army while the same Soviets couldn't retake Xinjiang from China in the Ili rebellion from 1944.

China crushed and defeated the entire American led UN force in North Korea and drove the American, British and other UN armies from the Yalu river back south to Seoul. The same American army which occupied defeated Japan.
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>>7439092
The Ill rebellion article is also full of viewable sources published by western university presses like Cambridge, written by a western historian and fully peer reviewed. Anyeone can click on it to verify. Any more excuses?
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>>7439075
The European Axis that the Soviets were fighting were a much tougher, mechanized enemy that was close to equal to them in numbers, than the Japanese.

The China Expeditionary Army had only one million soldiers at peak strength compared to 4 million of Germany and its Eastern front allies.

If anything it just shows how absolutely weak and pathetic the Chinese were that they took a similar number of military casualties to the Soviets.
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People dont doubt the matter-of-fact of the battles, you fucking autistic freak. But you present all this in the most warped and twisted way seen to man to make China appear as the ubermensch of the world and most powerful country in WW2. Single-handedly defeating Japan and full-scale invasion from the Soviet Union alone while the other US and others are weaklings in comparison.

You are not convincing anyone
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None of the sources on here are Wikipedia "one lined sourced" "stub articles" either >>7438891

Rana Mitter's book, the Springer article and Pacific Online war Encyclopedia referring to usage of poison gas by Japan in China to assue victory in battles and the Vice article to meth usage. The Springer article also notes Japan did not use gas a single time against the Western Allies while they spammed it in China which lacked basic gas mask equipment for most of it's armies.

Notice how >>7439083 failed to respond to any of these points.
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>>7439125
>inb4 but they won this battle *wikipedia link*
>inb4 muh ili rebellion *wikipedia link*
>inb4 muh hui muslim warlord ma bufang
>inb4 muh new guangxi clique

historically why did humans keep dogs around when cats are more efficient, they remove rodents and don't need training
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>>7439004
Cuck mentality
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>>7438883

Which breed of cat is good at tracking and taking down wolves and boar?
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Cats and dogs do different things, people comparing are autistic
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Dogs are pack animals and fit in with humans. Cats are solitary animals and fit in with chinks as dinner.
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>>7439009
Bro you just posted cringe

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Is Zwarte Piet racist? Think about it:
>white people in black face
>white people abusing blacks goes back centuries
>"n-no, this isn't exactly what it looks like!"
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>>7438915
Consider me spooked! Sorry for offending you, I recant in full
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>>7438882
I'm not American, I'm Dutch, and I don't know too much about your history. But I know the states rights thing has become an influence and an inspiration for some in my country in recent years. Dutch politician Baudet has written quite a lot about it. He's the guy on the left.
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>>7438988
No shit. That's really a sad thing to hear. Lost Cause revisionism exists mainly as a defensive mechanism for Southerners who don't want to be made to feel ashamed of their regional history. It's fueled regression and revanchism in our national politics for decades. It's pretty bad news to see that it appeals to people who have no stake in it at all.

I mean it's no surprise to see anti-EU politicians argue on the principle of sovereignty, but for God's sake why would you willingly pick up Dixie's baggage of all things? The South very pointedly did NOT try to keep ethnic minorities OUT, just the opposite...
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>>7428097
Nope that’s just 4chan. Go outside loser. Most people don’t care.
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whatever about zwarte piet dutch music is based: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgUdGtOvS9E


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