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We encourage you to have a look around the catalog first to see what we’re all about before posting your first thread. Topics typically posted here include:
>Outdoor recreational activities (Hiking, trail running, bushwhacking, camping, spelunking, geocaching, orienteering, expeditions, urban exploration, backpacking, etc.)
>Gardening, farming and related activities
>Hunting and fishing, and other activities involving the stalking or taking of game (including bird-watching)
>Outdoor survival, bushcraft, foraging, self-sustenance in nature, train-hopping, hoboism, etc.
>Outdoor destinations and exploration (specific trails, parks, regions, etc.)
>Water-related activities (boats, diving, etc.)
>Outdoor philosophy (conservation, Leave No Trace, protectionism, etc.)
>Outdoor building and living (cabins, huts, treehouses, etc.)
>Outdoor social activities and organizations (meet-ups, Scouts, NOLS, etc.)
>Gear related to any of the above topics

Most topics related to the outdoors are fine. Write properly, behave politely, encourage a respectful community, and most importantly, GO OUTSIDE!!
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Just a friendly reminder that threads about weapons which do not pertain to their use in outdoor activities should be posted on /k/ instead. Thanks.

It’s about that time of year again, boys.
Hopefully everyone has saved a bit to spread some outdoors cheer to anons across the globe. i remember guys from the US, UK, CA, MX, and DE getting gifts.

if you don’t know how it’s done:
1: make an Amazon wish list
2: add /out/ related items
3: click “manage list” and update your /out/ list’s shipping address. simply updating your shipping address will not suffice. many anons had problems with missed shipments over the years.
4: copy and paste your list in your post
5: keep the gift giving going and tell the anon you bought for him so others can get a chance
6: remember you are on 4chan and may not get lucky.

i hope everyone gets a gift this year and you use your new equipment in the field.

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Nice. Very jealous of you. Enjoy!
Congrats! Can we borrow your wife lol
First time participating. Is it ideal to try and reciprocate towards the person who buys for you, or to just send at random? Enjoy the wholesome Christmas everyone.

Random. It’s almost impossible to know who did what unless you ask. Then it’s not “secret”.
Even if you know it's still kind of secret because we're all anons

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Anyone here make squeeze boxes for practicing prior to entering the cave? Personally, I think they are a must for safety. The idea of getting stuck or having your friend get stuck, dying, and you can't get past them to get back out doesn't sound appealing.
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This isn't 4chan, tourist.
Fair enough.

never been


and as if on command...
You get paid handsomely to do any and all cave outings you want, whenever you want, however you want.
Every cave you walk into has an integrated hi-fi system that blasts all the songs in >>1653280 video at all times, you can't break it or bypass it.
I’m strangely ok with this, as long as it doesn’t literally make my ears bleed.

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4 me its antartica pole of inaccessibility or mary bryd land in the dead of antarctic winter at -80c
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The Garden of Eden except without a retarded roastie to fuck my shit up this time
Probably hawaii with a sea kayak.
It's sad that you know that.
Was about to say this myself. Much easier to visit than Antarctica desu

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Hey, /out/.
This is going to be my first time backpacking. Any tips would be appreciated so I don't die.

>one 32oz water bottle
>one first aid kit
>two storm match sets
>one pack of kindling
>one knoife
>three packs of ramen
>some fruit bars
>one steel bowl
>one change of clothes (pants, socks, underwear, shirt)
>one mini dustpan/broom set
>one roll of tarp

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Its finest feature is the wasp nest which it contains.
Multifunctional utility! Splendid!
While this this thread is up please rate my "emergency supplies" in my pack, I feel like it's all pretty useful and I have it all sectioned in an easy to reach outer pouch but seems like a couple pounds of shit desu.
>1x medical supplies (Neosporin, various gauze sizes, tape in one small Ziploc)
>Emergency foil blanket
>Water purification tablets
>2x glowsticks
Not bad. I’d recommend a pair of small tweezers/scissors in case you need to pull things out of a wound or cut fabric/etc to get to a wound. Much safer than a knife and using dirty fingers. I’d also recommend some kind of isopropyl alcohol wipes to clean equipment. Things like twine or thread can also be very useful for setting traps or fishing line in an emergency situation, or to mend/sew clothing or equipment.
Good luck anon, enjoy the experience and don't talk to any skinwalkers.

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We have this thread all year long.

I grew up in very rural Pennsylvania. I turn 30 this month, and ended up becoming a very accomplished hunter -- hunting all around the country, getting all sorts of wild game on public land. But to this day, I've never shot a deer.

After going on a hunt with my girlfriend's family who "have been hunting for years." It became really obvious to me that my lack of luck wasn't because I doing anything wrong, but the game commission just does things really weird in this state. This year:

> You have to shoot a deer that is "3 up," meaning it has at least 3 horns on an antler
>..but that's only if you're in one of the 5 or 6 WMUs that have that law. Otherwise it's "2 up" on one antler.
>....but that's only if they have at least one horn on the brine, which is different from the rest of the horns.
>......but that's only if that horn on the brine is at least an inch.
>...but only if it's NOT a Sunday, because you can't hunt deer on Sundays.
>....which we're changing, but only on one Sunday per this coming deer season, which is to be announced next year.

By the way, those WMUs change constantly and the boundaries aren't clearly marked. I did some digging and according to the game commission's numbers, in 2017 (which was one of the most deer harvested in 10 years), 23 of every 100 hunter got a deer. That includes junior hunters who have less restrictions and disabled hunters that can shoot from vehicles. Moreover, 2/3rds of all hunting occurs on private land.

We have less hunters than ever before in our state, so last year the game commission combated this by raising the price of the license and not printing the rule book. We now also have a gross overpopulation of deer and major incidents Chronic Wasting Disease (mad cow disease for deer).

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People are not hunting as much due to culture change and CWD fear mongering. I only hunt does, so I don't give a shit about buck season. Buck season always has retarded rules. A 2nd year doe is tastier and has meat that is more tender.

Okay, I'm glad it's not just me. It's just makes me really depressed because I've wanted to shoot a deer for most of my life and just couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong.

This is sad.

I agree with this, but the problem is I ran out of characters when explaining some of PA's backwards rules and couldn't get to all of them. If you want to hunt doe, you have to buy your license back in August, at which point you have to mail in and ask for it. If you're granted one, you can only hunt doe the week after opening rifle season (and possibly archery / flintlock / muzzle loader), at which point almost everything is totally nocturnal.
From a population management scenario, they should offer doe tags where they want the population to decrease and offer buck tags for yearling bucks with 4 points or less and mature bucks 8 points and over.
I just poach one out of the family farm outside Downingtown every year on Christmas Eve. Fuck all that noise and $250 out of state permit
>We now also have a gross overpopulation of deer and major incidents Chronic Wasting Disease (mad cow disease for deer).
Not from PA, not even from the states so don't have anything really to add to any of the other points you raised.
But this caught my eye, isn't there a state/government culling programme to tackle issues like over population and the connected diseases?

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Questions that don't deserve their own thread thread, because there wasn't one edition
"Packable" puffy jacket, or a thick one for general layering and warmth while /out?
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Will I die if I wear a tight wool sweater in my sleeping bag, between 20 and 30 degrees?
what's a compact 1-2 man tent 4 season?
I need some help.

I recently moved to the upper midwest from Washington. Its a lot more cold here, like a lot more.

My columbia and northface stuff isn't doing it anymore, I mean it was fine in Western Washington and everyone there swore by it but plain and simple it fucking sucks out here. I used to think I was a hardass that could easily handle the cold but holy fuck was I wrong.

I have asked a little at work and have been told Carhartt and Duluth Trading company are good.

But I want to get your guys opinion on cold weather clothes, flannels, jackets, pants, ect for actual cold weather.

If you are from Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Alaska, what do you recommend for cold weather?
I recently got what looks like a ripoff of the Lanshan 1 off Amazon for a steal at $40.
The issue is that I don't carry trekking poles, so I was wondering if anyone has experience using this tent with 49" tent poles. Also, has anyone ever cut a tyvek footprint for this or another trekking pole tent that doesn't have poles to go into the grommets. How do you effectively secure it?
>naming brands not insulating materials
Don't be brainwashed by the different brands, learn your insulations. Down lofts and fill power, different synthetics. Decent brands pretty much use all the same stuff to keep you warm.
What is this clothing for? Actually /out/ activities or just everyday wear?
Budget? Activity? Location? Potential conditions?
Is the tent pole adjustable in length?
>tyvek ground sheet
just put it under your tent? No need to secure it. Otherwise just put rocks on the corners while you pitch then once your stuff is in the tent it'll keep it down. Just make sure the ground sheet isn't bigger than the outer otherwise you'll be lying in a puddle.

It’s cold up here and you have to poop in some weird places. The views are gorgeous and the people
Friendly while the food sucks ass once you get to hiking... internet costs like $7(usd) for 200mb scratch of style cards.

Might be a little high on oxygen deprivation and also hashish.

Does anyone want me to spend more money to upload some
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desu looks nice wooden and cozy compared to a dirty as fuck bathroom with a conventional toilet
It's so easy to see these guys through rose tinted glasses. But this dude will be fucked by his 40s. It's amazing what they do, but man it's shitty.
you must jerk off on your own a lot.
Super cool, is that the Daili Lama's place? I saw him speak twice in Birmingham, Alabama a few years ago. His autobiography tells the story of their escape to Nepal and that part was pretty /out/.

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Almost all the /out/ shit here is West Coast or Europe.

Wet, deciduous forests are just top fucking tier.
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I've played Fallout 76; that's good enough

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you can't just grow terbacky anywhere anon
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I've got a week with nothing to do, I want to take a road trip out west, from my Hoosier hellhole. Preferably somewhere desert. What are some good /out/ places to visit along the way?
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Go to Mt Rushmore. Hoosier anons will unite thereafter Xmas
>Utah is too far, I'll probably stay more towards the NM/CO side of things.
Great sand dune NP

>I only have a Honda Civic, so I'm trying to stay more towards the south to reduce the insane snow chances.
to get over to the deserts of NM and colorado
To get to the desert, you're going to have to cross some mountain passes (the mountains are what block out the precipitation that allowed the deserts to form).

Seriously consider the badlands in winter though. You should have a set of winter tires anyways for the snow
I’ve been to Wyoming a good number of times. I never have any regrets.
consider Oklahoma? the Wichita Mountains are kinda tight. there are the Arbuckle Mountains closer to TX. i say this because North Texas is pretty boring, and Oklahoma, as much shit as i talk on it, is probably prettier
That's true. I'd still love to see the deserts though, maybe save the badlands for next winter.
Wichita is a good idea, it only adds an hour to the trip.

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Alright so I was going to ask this on /an/ but I figure you guys are probably more qualified. We have a mouse infestation and the mice won't let themselves be caught by nonlethal traps, we caught two young ones by hand but the adult ones are too fast and too stealthy so we're using lethal traps. Provided I find them within half a day (I check the traps 3 times a day), would I be able to use them as stock for soup? I'm planning on skinning one anyway to do something with the skin. I'm only worried about possible disease. How bad is this idea?
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I'll take my chances
Doves are only a bite. I can't imagine how much effort it would be to skin a mouse just for the amount of meat that you would normally pick out of your teeth.
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d-dont eat me senpai
You will eat the fucking bugs. You will.
Just wait until you get one with a botfly maggot, then you can eat bugs and mice unironically at the same time.

What's better for winter camping, a hammock or a tent?
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I've got the Minipeak XL (3p) and the Wild wild west stove. Expensive but they go on sale occasionally.
Tent is floorless, but has an inner tent that can be set up in half of it. (Bathtub floor and mesh)
40-50f above ambient temps with stove going good
If its wet then its not cold. But yes i'd go with a hammock because only the tarp would be wet and you'd have an area covered from rain/snow where you can cook, process wood etc.
However hammock setup does take more time than pitching a tent and finding appropriately spaced trees might be frustrating. Your first nights will most definitely suck too because it will take about 10 nights till you figure out the right hang.
If you get a hammock i would recommend going to a park or some random woods and setting it up several times between DIFFERENT trees. It will give you an idea of what to look for in the woods. As you do this you will definitely notice how strap length, height and angle affects the hang. Generally if you feel cocooned the straps need to be loosened up and anchored higher. For longer distances between trees this usually means your hammock straps will be above your tarp line anchor points. I also prefer my head side an inch or two lower than leg one as it helps a lot with diagonal lay.
doesn't matter since you'll be pulling it on sledge
Is it possible to take the stovepill if you are backpacking and don't have a sled?
I look forward to your next post about how your hammock caught on fire. Hammocks are retarded in the winter, nigger.

Mors Kochanski died today Dec 5th age 79. F
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That's a bit odd though. An outdoorsman dies from bad indoors air quality?
probably got exposed while working before people knew about that shit

He left us this:
It used to be super common in the mid 20th century for oven mitts, roof insulation, and chimney insulation almost everyone his age was exposed, but that's just how cancer works, not everybody that's exposed gets it. Firefighters today *still* use it.
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There was a time back when me and a buddy of mine were first getting into outdoors stuff where his uncle somehow knew Mors and had his phone number, so as a birthday gift to my buddy he got Mors to call him. Next time I saw my buddy he said he got to have a two hour phone conversation with the guy that ended with him mailing two free signed copies of his book, one for buddy and one for me.
Rip in F, he was too good for this world.

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