/lit/ has produced multiple collaborative projects and periodicals over the years. Many of these projects are now defunct, and the few that are still active seem to have uncertain trajectories. There are also solo writers who frequent /lit/ and—for better or for worse—their namefagging and shilling has impacted the culture of this board.This thread is for the discussion of the history of /lit/ writing and the future of /lit/. To those that have been involved in previous /lit/ collaborative projects, such as The Lit Quarterly, Pinecone, The April Review, miniMAG and &: what were your experiences like? Does the drama and infighting surrounding so many of these /lit/ collaborative projects inevitably result in their dissolution? Do you think that /lit/ has anything valuable to offer for aspiring writers, in terms of critique or support?Additionally: Are there any new projects in the works? What do you think is next for the so-called /lit/ renaissance? And now that a /lit/ author has finally gotten a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house, do you think that more of our authors are likely to see similar success?Mega archive of /lit/ periodicals:mega.nz/folder/2gsHSSbA#Sl46P4LljGlk9mnpAf3Mlw
>>23321742>erotic adventuresAustralian women must have zero standards
>No spamming or flooding of any kind. No intentionally evading spam or post filters.Fuck jannies
>>23322208do you report these threads for spamming/flooding every time, or are you expecting others to do the work for you?
>>23322208Still seething?
>>23322444I won't answer that question because it's against the rules to announce a report.All I'm saying is that jannies are cocksucking faggots
good books about angry, pathetic loners?i already the classics like read notes from the underground, the tunnel, and no longer human
>>23314583>angry, pathetic lonerswuthering heights unironically
Eugene Onegin. I like the Spalding translation the best
>>23320752elliot rodger was not a talented author but even so, my twisted world is a very interesting read.
Mars by Fritz Zorn.>Mars is an autobiographical book by Fritz Angst (1944–1976) under the pseudonym Fritz Zorn. It was first published in 1977. Adolf Muschg wrote its long and engaged foreword. The book was reviewed in the book review section of The New York Times, which says that the author's pseudonym of "Fritz Zorn" literally means "Freddie Anger". In the book, written after the author was diagnosed with cancer, Zorn describes and criticizes his environment, entourage, and upbringing in one of the wealthiest lakeshore neighborhoods of Zurich, Switzerland, where he says he was "educated to death". Zorn laments his "unlived life": though he apparently became successful in the eyes of the bourgeoisie (he attended university and became a teacher), his whole life was "wrong". He suffered from depression and never had friends or a girlfriend.
>>23314583Anything Weininger.
>The cause of Ruskin's "disgust" has led to much conjecture. Mary Lutyens speculated that he rejected Effie because he was horrified by the sight of her pubic hair. Lutyens argued that Ruskin must have known the female form only through Greek statues and paintings of nudes which lacked pubic hair.[236] However, Peter Fuller wrote, "It has been said that he was frightened on the wedding night by the sight of his wife's pubic hair; more probably, he was perturbed by her menstrual blood."[237]So what are we deciding was the real horror that made this man scared of pussy for the rest of his life? Was he just gay?
>>23320511Carlyle is the one who hated blacks and defended slavery, I don’t recall Ruskin ever supporting anything like slavery or imperialism
>>23320608Cecil Rhodes is said to have been influenced by Ruskin's pro-imperialist views.>Listen for instance to the words of John Ruskin delivered in 1870 as part of his inaugural lecture as Slade Professor of Art at Oxford University. The noted art critic and cultural observer said: “There is a destiny now possible to us—the highest ever set before a nation to be accepted or refused…. [W]ill you, youths of England, make your country a royal throne of kings; a sceptered isle for all the world a source of light, a centre of peace.”**>He went on to speak of an ethical choice between two styles of rule: “There are the two oriflammes [banners carrying inspiring symbols]; which shall we plant on the farthest islands,—the one that floats in heavenly fire, or that hangs heavy with the foul tissue of terrestrial gold?”>Rhodes is said to have owned a longhand copy of Ruskin’s speech—though the words about the “foul tissue of terrestrial gold” seem not to have made an impression. The lecture was delivered not long before the 18-year-old Rhodes sailed to South Africa to stay with his brother for reasons of ill health.Ruskin also served the John Eyre Defence and Aid Fund, which supported the Governor's violent quelling of a slave rebellion in Jamaica. He also supported the Confederate States of America.
>>23320608Also, as far as Carlyle is concerned, it's worth mentioning that Ruskin was very much his disciple in social and political thinking. As he wrote about 'Unto This Last':>The value of these papers on economy is in their having, for the first time since money was set up for the English Dagon, declared that there never was nor will be any vitality nor Godship in him, and that the value of any ship of the line is by no means according to the price you have given for your guns, but to the price you have given for your Captain. For the first time, I say, this is declared in purely accurate scientific terms—Carlyle having led the way, as he does in all noble insight in this generation.
>>23320757Was not aware of those beliefs for Ruskin but they had to have been relatively muted especially compared to Carlyle, I haven’t come across anything overtly racist or imperialist in what I’ve read from him
>>23320608Carlyle liked black people, he honestly just thought they would be happier in slavery and that their work was deserving of praise.>But, thank heaven, our interesting black population, equalling almost in number of heads one of the Ridings of Yorkshire, and in worth, in (quantity of intellect, faculty, docility, energy, and available human valor and value) perhaps one of the streets of Seven Dials, are all doing remarkably well. “Sweet blighted lilies,” as the American epitaph on the nigger child has it, sweet blighted lilies, they are holding up their heads again! How pleasant, in the universal bankruptcy abroad, and dun, dreary stagnancy at home, as if for England too there remained nothing but to suppress Chartist riots, banish united Irishmen, vote the supplies, and wait with arms crossed till black anarchy and social death devoured us also, as it has the others; how pleasant to have always this fact to fall back upon: our beautiful black darlings are at least happy; with little labor except to the teeth, which, surely, in those excellent horse-jaws of theirs, will not fail!
Captain Underpants, the inspiration for Christopher Nolan’s Batman Trilogy, is considered the pinnacle of American literary excellence. Created by Dav Pilkey, considered the “America Tolkien” is a 4 time best selling author and was awarded the presidential metal of freedom for his contribution to American Literature by Jimmy Carter in 1983. Bloomberg called Dav “The New England Dostoevsky, A reborn Melville”.Saint Petersburg Press “Captain Underpants, an Epic as Grand as Tolstoy, will stand the test of time, marked forever in the history books as a lighthouse for Human Creativity”.
>>23322071Why does anyone let their kids read this? It's a book about pee and poo and you're raising your children on it. Wtf Americans.
>>23322071>LaffsAny school with a library which stocks books that encourage solecisms is to be avoided at all costs.
>>23322071Notes from a Wimpy Kid by Jeffislav Kinnov was far better than anything Dav Pilkike ever wrote.
>>23322374"never eat yellow snow"poetic.
>>23322071This book had a profound influence on my life. When I was in 4th grade, our English teacher would make us read the most irrelevant books like catcher in the rye or Lolita. I would sit in the back of the class and one day I found this book laying on the floor. I picked it up and when I read it, I realized I have picked up something truly special. In one hour, I finished the book from front to back. Afterwards, i felt a change in my brain as if this book changed my neurotransmitters and the chemical composition in my brain. My paradigm shifted completely. The metaphysical truths, the deep rooted philosophy that can only be understood in from carefully considering and pondering on the nuances in between the words. 15 years later, I have not come across another book like this.
What are the most banned books in the world right now?
>>23316791I read once that reactionary literature like De Maistre is banned in communist countries like China and Vietnam.
>>23317329I was book shopping with my hyperconservative mother-in-law and she picked up a copy of 120 Days of Sodom because she liked the title. I couldn't talk her out of buying it because I couldn't admit I'd read it. I still wonder what her experience reading it was like.
Shockingly The Holy Bible is the most banned book in the world as well as it being the most popular book, even though freely available to us in some states, being banned and censored in the western-hating oriental despotisms which most people in the world live in, as well as from being informally forbidden in atheist and quasi-denominational households (depending on his translation) in a way no other book has any business. Praise the Lord since you are free to do so !!
>>23316791>to protect free speech and democracy we must ban subversive literature>the population cannot be trusted with such ideas and storiesmy ideology doesnt conflict. theirs does.
>>23322491The books they are complaining about being "banned" are not remotely subversive
What's good introductory secondary lit on German Idealism I've gotten a sense for the social, political and economic stuff but on the actual metaphysical/philosophical context, I'm still very shallow
>>23318882No, on the contrary
>>23319677>t. doesn't know
>>23321760Cool argument, bro.
>>23321813>argument>t. really doesn't know
bump
There will be no great authors born in the 21st century.
>>23322369>In the darkest of my Ohio, I found in me a toilet so Skibidi, it rizzed up another Hyperborean edit and defeated Judge Holden. No cap.
People still play Subway Surfers? I thought that fad died like a decade ago?
>>23322406Fr?
>>23322420people don’t play it, they watch videos of other people playing while someone talks during a youtube short
>>23321890This would actually help me focus if I didnt care about the topic being taught
is this worth reading outside of the context of somebody trying to stop a substance addiction?a friend gave it to me after being "concerned about my xanax consumption" (lmao)
I wouldn't bother reading that garbage, but your friend sounds like he has good intentions and cares for you, so that's nice.
>>23322186It's bereft of value because one of its central premises is that you should live for something greater than yourself, which is plainly a manifestly false idea. The only proper reason to quit drinking is pure rational selfish-interest, to be arrived at through pure intellection. If the delusion of god or concern for others is what it takes to get someone to quit drinking, then these delusions ought to have been removed so that the sufferer would instead continue to drink, to the point of death. There is more dignity and truth in dying in solitude of cirrhosis than there is of acknowleding god and entering a human community. But best of all is the one who quits purely for himself, without regard for what others think.
>>23322186It's just a ripoff of religious ideas
Considering some "Great American Novel" types. Currently considering: >Adventures of Huckleberry Finn>Lolita>Gravity's Rainbow>Great GatsbyDid you like any of these in particular? Or, are there others you would strongly recommend?For context, I've recently enjoyed:>East of Eden>The Tartar Steppe>Blood Meridian>The FortressComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>23321988Just start with GR, ignore the autism.
>>23321880Go Tell it on the Mountain
huckleberry finn is the best out of those 4
>>23321988If you want to ignore the autism start with this post>>23321998I would suggest V.Finished it last summer, fun read
>Major Marvey sucks NIGGERSlmao
Are there any good books on the ice age(s)? I would also like books to learn about prehistoric history, generally.
>prehistoric history
>>23320954Asimov's popsci on earth history/evolution of species definitely worth checking out.
>>23320954no but there's a really good movie
The Mind In The Cave is quite good
Coming soon to a planet near you!
>>In the Bhagavadgita, Krishna teaches that one can kill only the body; the soul is immortal. At death, the soul is reborn in another body, or, for those who have fully grasped the true teachings, it achieves release (moksha) or extinction (nirvana)—that is, freedom from the wheel of rebirth.Wait, if Hinduism contains the main Buddhist elements, that is to say to escape the cycle of birth-rebirth then what original ideas did Buddhism bring to the table to make it a separate religion?
Can someone please explain to me the difference between the Vedas and Upanishads and Sutras, and if the Sutras being only Buddhist and not broader Dharmic canon is correct.
>>23321619>Can someone please explain to me the difference between the Vedas and UpanishadsThe Upanishads are the final section of the Vedas and they focus on explaining the nature of ultimate reality and the spiritual journey to liberation. >and Sutras, and if the Sutras being only Buddhist and not broader Dharmic canon is correct.Sutras (Sutta in Pali) literally means "thread" but in a derivative sense means a text that is a collection of verses or a collection of sayings/discourses, there are both Buddhist and Hindu texts called Sutras/Suttas.
>>23320496It is not a different class of people composing the upanishads but it is crucial to consider the changed context of south asia at this point of time compared to the era in which the oldest vedas were composed (roughly a millennium earlier). We go from small-scale pastoral chief dogs to hierarchical ordered settlements organized into states. People start to move around and get confronted with new ideas. It seems likely that the Brahmins were willing to incorporate new ideas into new texts even thought they might controversy Brahmin imaginary (namely less of an emphasis on the ritual). This is an established scholars opinion (Doniger, The Hindus, p 166) and of course breaks the religious narrative by considering all of the shruti as a whole corpus but a historian can't simply take a corpus of texts written over the course of a millennium as a single body of coherence , it would be like me giving philosophical depth to hymns of Hildegard von Bingen and then assuming social developments in the period between our lives won't affect my interpretation of things, that would be dishonest to say the least
>>23316083Sanatana Dharma is not a religion.
>>23321322Only Theravadans believe they are the closest to OG Buddhism. It's a view rooted in sectarian thinking, not a historical thinking.
Is this preferable to the KJV?
>>23318701they are both comparable as tyndale's work is the basis for most of them both. i'd get a copy of the septuagint for the OT though. brenton or lexham.
>>23318701If you're a Calvinist, I guess. Why you'd want to be that is beyond me.
>>23318701I’ll tell you the truth, I haven’t read the Geneva Bible, but I’ve read the King James in full a couple times. So I’m biased. The King James Bible has made its mark in the literary world. It’s up there with Shakespeare. The main reason to not use a King James Bible is if you differ theologically (such as Catholics) or if you want a more accurate translation based on the plethora of discoveries made in terms of manuscripts and grammar. The Geneva Bible and the King James are both largely based on the same sources. The comma Johanneum is in both, for instance 1 John 5:7, which was a scribal gloss containing some verse commentary erroneously inserted into the text. It is missing from the Greek text entirely, and is found only in the Latin. Erasmus, who made the printed Greek text, didn’t include the verse in his earliest editions, until a Greek manuscript named the Codex Montfortianus was given to him which included it. All research points to Codex Montfortianus being created specifically for the purpose of making him include it, and its version of 1 John 5:7 was translated into Greek from LatinThe Granville Sharp rule in Greek grammar was discovered by English speakers in the late 1700s, which makes Titus 2:13 clearer. The rule says "When the copulative kai connects two nouns of the same case, if the article ho, or any of its cases, precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun or participle..." Titus 2:13 says, in English, in modern translations “our great God and savior Jesus Christ.” The King James says “our great God, and our savior Jesus Christ.” The Geneva Bible says “that mighty God, and our savior Jesus Christ.” The earlier renditions of these verses were used at times to promote Unitarianism and non-trinitarianism, with people saying the verse implied God and Jesus to be different people, the exact opposite of what the verse was saying.In John 1:18, the oldest manuscripts say “only begotten God,” but the alexandrian text type which formed the basis for the textua receptus and then the Geneva and King James Bibles say “only begotten son.” Both are acceptable, it’s debated which is original, but if you read the King James only or a Bible older than the King James, you wouldn’t know about the variant at all.I can’t see many clear advantages to using the Geneva vs the King James. I see advantages to using newer Bible translations, but not this. Why use the Geneva as opposed to the Bishops Bible, the Great Bible, or the Tyndale Bible? It does have historical value as being the Bible or the puritans and the one that rode on the mayflower, but other than that I’m not sure what the purpose would be. How is its literary quality compared to the King James?
>>23320121People read the Geneva Bible for its historical footnotes, not for its accuracy, but instead for its at-the-time best biblical education in a single book. Of course, the Pilgrims found out the hard way that there's nothing about how to grow crops in the New World and had to deviate from biblical agricultural practices. Anyone who neglects the Calvinist mindset all over the Geneva Bible's footnotes cannot grasp the Americans nor understand Colonial American Literature in a chronological dialectic.
>>23320503I don’t like study Bibles. Just carry your commentary with you
English language, too long have I forsaken you. Wanton fascination for foreign letters has kept me apart from my sweet native tongue far too long.How does one cure xenophilia and reestablish one's natural and only roots? I would forget all my foreign languages if I could, but that will take time.
>>23321054Stop being a fucking bitch.
>>23321054picrel reminded me of g. farmer...
>>23321054>How does one cure xenophilia and reestablish one's natural and only roots?I cured it by learning Chinese and Japanese. After years of consuming their mid to cesspool SHIT tier media, I decided to take a break and watch an American film one day and the spell was broken completely. I realized I just wasted my time learning one language to talk to faggots I hate, and another to read yandere manga. Well, I still read manga and watch anime, but I haven't used my Chinese in quite a fucking while. I've been reading a shit ton of Elizabethan and Jacobean era literature along with taking a trip through the history of American literature. Some good shit, finally.
>>23322388Oh, and Japanese literature is dogshit. DOGSHIT. Or rather, their novelists are. Don't fucking tell me about, oh, Kawabatos or Yakio Mashimas. Now, Souseki is good. Genuinely good. But I've read quite a bit of Japanese literature now and I think it's safe to say that it is NOT as good as it's purported to be. You know why Akutagawa is so good? Because he writes Japanese like a westerner. Their poetry is nice, though.
I struggled so hard to get thru the old forest chapter and the ones before and after. Did anyone else find those sections a bit boring to read? The book is very slow and I think that those sections were just too slow paced where I had to take a month long break to get thru them. Currently in council of Elrond section and it’s pretty good now.
>>23320487The last red pill is realizing that the LOTR films are better then the books.
>>23320665The old forest was just so boring. Nothing happens besides them getting lost and eventually falling asleep. And the. The barrow doesn’t is basically a repeat of what happens in the old forest. Those chapters seemed too reminiscent of the hobbit and not fitting the lotr darker style.
>>23320514Either listen to an audiobook or skim through all the details of going north, south, east, and west.Unless you're studying Tolkiens maps he provides in his books, then its useless to even pretend you care about the legitimacy of his directions
Is LotR more exciting and interesting compared to The Hobbit? I feel obligated to read these books considering their massive influence but The Hobbit isn't doing it for me. If LotR is just more of the same I think I may drop them.
>>23322393Just watch the movies (the Hobbit not the awful LOTR ones)
Good read or "muh poor food" bullshit?
>>23322279It's great so long as you separate it from the reading schools typically give of it. It's not some early feminist story about a poor girl being ostracized for no good reason. Hawthorne clearly expresses that Prynne's punishment is justified. Pearl is used as a tool to directly chastise her and Dimmesdale for the sins they've committed. Just because the "antagonist" is also judged for his wrongdoings doesn't mean that the other two get a free pass. They're all sinners.
>>23322299I haven't read this since high school and barely remember any of it. I remember it was very dense reading.
I liked Young Goodman Brown and read Hawthorne's biography for a book report and those were good. The Scarlet Letter in brief sounds like the most awful book ever written but knowing the author a little better, I suspect it might be good
>>23322304Sometimes I wish Hawthorne would've just been an essayist instead. Stuff like The Old Manse doesn't just rival, but surpasses Emerson. At times he reminds me of a sort of American Goethe. It's sad that most people nowadays only know him for The Scarlet Letter.
>>23322304I like The Scarlet Letter a lot, but I think The House of the Seven Gables is his best long work.
