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The Vietnamese account of the war between the Vietnamese Trưng sisters and China's Han dynasty.

When China was ruling Vietnam in the Han dynasty the Vietnamese Trưng sisters started a rebellion raising a Vietnamese female army of 80,000 soldiers and thirty six female Vietnamese generals. The Vietnamese Trưng sisters and their thirty six female generals defeated the Chinese first liberating their own village. They then captured 65 cities and citadels across Vietnam after defeating the Chinese armies. The Trưng sisters became queens of an independent Vietnam for three years after driving the Chinese out.

Vietnamese female general Phùng Thị Chính fought her battles with her baby in one hand and a sword in the other killing Chinese soldiers with it. Another Vietnamese female general Phật Nguyệt was said to have caused the most terror to Chinese soldiers. All of the Chinese soldiers were male.

The Han dynasty sent Ma Yuan to reconquer Vietnam. Vietnamese traditions say the all Chinese male army commanded by General Ma Yuan stripped completely naked to fight the Vietnamese female army of the Trưng sisters. Ma Yuan allegedly told his soldiers that whoever could capture the Trưng sisters alive could take them as their wives.

The Chinese men were ordered to strip naked to surprise and shock the Vietnamese women. At first the Trung sisters were shocked and faltered back as naked Chinese men charged towards them but they and their female generals regrouped and made a stand. The Trưng Sisters and their female Vietnamese generals and army fought fiercely cutting down and killing thousands of naked Chinese men as they charged. They cut the heads off thousands of Chinese so the heads and naked corpses piled up. The Chinese army was larger and endless waves of Chinese soldiers kept coming to attack them so the Trưng sisters decided to fight their way out of the battle cutting a path through the Chinese army and committed suicide by jumping in a river.
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>>6155418

>tfw on phone couldn't post this
>kind anon saves the day
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>>6155346
The Vietnamese stories said that because Vietnamese women are modest and virtuous the Chinese believed they would be shocked by seeing naked men in battle. They said the tactic worked at first causing surprise and shock so that the Vietnamese faltered leading soldiers to break away critically weakening the Vietnamese army when they saw their Queen hesitate. But the Trưng sisters regained their composure and several of their female generals including Phùng Thị Chính stood their ground continuing to fight the naked Chinese men. According to the Vietnamese story the Chinese surrounded Phùng Thị Chính on all sides and they wanted to capture her to force her to become a wife to the Chinese general.

The remaining Vietnamese women were outnumbered since their soldiers left the battle and the Chinese army was larger so they saw no chance of winning the war. The Vietnamese stories say the Vietnamese women escaped by hacking their way out the battle killing many naked Chinese men and the Trưng sisters went to the River Đáy. They committed suicide by drowning after reaching the river so they wouldn't be captured by the Chinese and forced to become their wives. Phùng Thị Chính who hacked her way out and continued to resist later went to the river and drowned herself there for the same reason. Other female generals drowned themselves or escaped into the civilian population to avoid capture and forced marriage. The Chinese claim they captured and beheaded the Trưng sisters after defeating them in a battle.

The naked Chinese soldiers in the story is a reason to explain why large numbers of the Trưng sisters's army abandoned her. This combined with the large size of the Chinese army made them outnumbered by the Chinese leaving only the Trưng sisters and some of their female generals including Phùng Thị Chính to remain fighting.
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>>6150220
Trần Văn Tùng collected traditional Vietnamese oral folklore and added them together in a story about the Trưng sisters.

>A tale of Tonkin: Trung Trác and Trung Nhi. Trans. by Daphne Cannon. A-95 42 (1946), pp. 286-90.
>The Asiatic Review; or Asian Review (London)
>Taken in this circle of fire, this flaming inferno, the army of the two queens was going to be burnt, reduced to ashes.

>Invoked and entreated, they sent heavy rain down on the flames : the ring of fire was broken, and the troops of the two queens, like herds of bulls, threw themselves on the enemy. Once more the Chinese took to flight, abandoning the conquered territory behind them. The anger of Ma-Vien roared like the China Sea. Shame bit at his throat like a viper : " I, Ma-Vien, the greatest general in China, the genius of war, I will never let myself be beaten by two feeble women ! Death ! I prefer death a thousand times!" For three days he did not eat. For three nights he lay awake and thought. On the third night, inspired by the Ma-Qui, he decided to fight with cunning. Knowing the great modesty of the women of Nam-Viet, he did not fail to take advantage of it. To the sound of tomtoms, toscins and gongs, the battle waxed furious throughout the land of Son-Tây The warrior mandarins of the two queens, seated on the back of their elephants, threw themselves like furies at the pursuit of the conquered foe. Sure of victory, and trusting in the fighting power of their troops, Trung-Trac and Trung- Nhi, on their white horses, directed the battle themselves from the vanguard. After a wide turning movement, Ma-Vien reassembled his forces on a steep mountain slope. He ordered all his soldiers to strip : "I will give those two lovely women in marriage to any man among you who can captured them alive," said Ma-vien to them, loosing them like hounds before the two queens.
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>Wounded in their modesty, overcome by this horrible sight, Trung-Trac and Trung-Nhi hid their faces behind their banners and fled. Drawn by the beauty and irresistible charm of the two queens, the Chinese soldiers, like packs of wolves, threw themselves into the pursuit. With their swords and lances the two queens opened a way for themselves through this horde of hairy men. Hundreds of heads flew off on every side. Waves of naked men, countless as locusts, rolled towards them. Crimson with shame, worn out by anger and fatigue, Trung-Trac and Trung- Nhi took to flight. Emboldened by the success of his diabolical scheme, Ma-Vien, in his turn, undressed.

>Advancing before his soldiers, he threw himself on the back of his black horse to join the pursuit of the two queens. Not daring to turn back, Trung-Trac and Trung-Nhi continued their headlong flight, while behind them, long and fierce, rose the yells of the exasperated men. The most terrible confusion reigned in the army. Believing the battle lost, the Annamite soldiers, discouraged and desperate, retreated. In a last effort Trung-Trac and Trung-Nhi tried to rally them and counter-attack. Alas ! it was too late !

>Encircled, attacked on every side, the two queens defended themselves like two lionesses. Wielded by the hands of masters, their swords cut the heads off thousands of Chinese. Wounded in both arms and legs, they continued their desperate struggle, cut a passage, and once more took to flight.

>Reaching the river Day, abandoned by their generals and their troops, the two queens, like two dragons, threw themselves and their horses into the foaming waters.

>"A glorious death rather than shame!" cried Trung-Trac.

>"A glorious death rather than dishonour!" returned Trung-Nhi.
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>>6156248
>And the waters carried them away in their winding course. When Ma-Vien and his men reached the river Day they found the bank deserted and the trees mourning. The Chinese general let loose his hunting-dogs in the bushes. The dogs sniffed, barked and scratched the ground; the beautiful queens of Annam were not hiding in the undergrowth.

>At the command of Ma-Vien, hundreds of rafts, boats and sampans were launched on the river. The most skillful divers, the boldest fishermen, like others, threw themselves into the water and plunged below the surface. After a long day's search they succeeded in recovering the bodies of the two queens. To soothe his rage Ma-Vien ordered his soldiers to open the bodies of the two queens and to bring him their hearts. To the sound of drums and gongs these hearts were presented before the golden throne of Ma-Vien on plates inlaid with mother-of-pearl. He placed them in lovely porcelain vases filled with gentian wine, and had them carried as presents to the Chinese emperor. Then he ordered his men to cut the bodies of the two queens into pieces and throw them to the crows.

>On the green banks of the Song-Day there now stands, in honour of the two queens, Trung-Trac and Trung-Nhi, one of the most beautiful and ornate temples in Annam. The Emperor of Annam, grateful to the two great national heroines, gave them the title of " Saints of Nam- Viet," and the name " Thanth-Thi," or City of Perfect Women," to their temple.

>During the time of Napoleon Bonaparte’s and the French conquest of Egypt, Muslim women were taking off their Hijabs in a sexual manner to seduce the French. Then the streets of Egypt were filled with Muslim women with their French boyfriends.

>Muslim men were already mad that Napoleon was taxing them to death to fund his own empire. But seeing their Daughters and wives proudly parading around with the French soldiers set them off. Then the Muslim men started a revolt, but it ended in failure because Napoleon brutally suppressed it by bombing Mosques and executed every Muslim who was involved in the revolt

27:05 explains it all

https://youtu.be/lyS_1JE6Qns

Why was Napoleon so wild?
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>>6153025
>Women
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>>6153025
Why do women regardless of nationality or race do things like that? They have no self-respect wtf
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>>6150408
>his empire
That didn't exist back then?
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>>6150955

Why did you think they called him Boney
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>>6153025
brb ordering some plane tickets

Why did it fail?
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>>6153867
Because it was just neoconservatism with a red coat of paint. It died out as it was picked up by the Tories. It was pointless for Labour to fight the Tories on who's more neocon than the other, so they went back to basics.
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>>6153892
This. It's not even close to socialism and people see through that. The same thing is happening to the suckdems in Sweden
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We already had a tory party, no need for another one.
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>>6154777
trips for truth
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>>6153892
>>6154776
This two. Total misreading of the project of Stuart Hall and Gramscian-influenced Cultural Studies from "contest hegemony/build counter-hegemonic narratives and thereby gain consent of the governed, popular support" to "be like the Tories, as much as possible".

Why is Nobunaga always seen as some sort of standard villain in Japanese culture?
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>>6146999
this is true:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikanron
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>>6151911
I thought she had a gigantic bottom lip at first.
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>>6142544
>Duty to perform two services on the day of the ancestor memorial service. Failure to provide adequate entertainment for the priest meant being branded as a Christian.[2]
What the fuck
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>>6133072
There are literally hundreds of 70s/80s Japanese Sengoku telefilms with wildly varying levels of historical accuracy. You can easily find like a dozen of them with English subs on any major public torrent listing.
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>>6151911
Cute

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Japs find the burger carriers first, send out their famous full-deck strikes, two against Enterprise and Hornet, and the other two against the Yorktown. All three burger carriers sink.
At this point, you find yourself transported into the body of Yamamoto Isoroku. What are your next steps in order to ensure a Japanese victory?
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>>6155558
Desperately try to convince Jap government to begin peace negotiations while we still have the upper hand and the shock of American defeat is hanging in the air
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>>6155562
However, you suddenly realize that you are onboard the Yamato, steaming towards Midway Island, thousands of miles away from Tokyo and in the middle of a military mission.
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>>6155569
>what is a radio
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>>6155562
>implying the americans would ever surrender
theyre out for blood at this point, youd need to either fight your way to the mainland to get them to stop
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>>6155558
for every carrier you sink the Yanks will build five more.

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Why was New York City so violent from the 1960s-1980s?

What made urban blight so much more pronounced here compared to other American cities?

And how did it clean up so quickly afterwards from 1990-2000?
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>>6153536
>>6154663
>>6154667
The mods are gonna ban the guy that made this thread. I made a thread asking if multiculturalism worked or not and most of replies were from /Pol/sters and i got a global ban for it.
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Because the government had effectively stopped punishing criminals which predictably led to crime running rampant
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>Crack and heroin were all over the fucking place
>Police force was bought off by every criminal organization imaginable
>It was easy to buy them out because the city basically treated them like garbage
>These criminal organizations included multiple international crime rings because, surprise, New York is an international hub
>Shitload of people meant that it was easy to hide in a crowd or disappear into the city's underground with relative ease
>Similarly, attracted drug dealers because it was an obvious huge market
>Large number of international crime rings and drug dealers rapidly resulted in turf wars, and competition in general became extremely violent
>Lead in the gas is pretty much confirmed to have made people back then more violent
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>>6154815
detroit/chicagi were warzones. chicagi had many riots n lynchings to keep shit in line

>>6154802
>>6153345
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>>6153420
NYC is no longer an American city.

NYC is 95% foreigners. Majority being poos, chinks, sprics...
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>>6155231
>>6154802
>>6154709
>Lead in the gas make crime
source

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How did the USSR economy work? E.g. if the Government needed to buy 2000 extra tanks, what's the process they undergo to make the acquisition? How is money raised, who get paid, etc.

I've always heard that the USSR couldn't keep up with American military spending, but also that its GDP cannot be measured due to the economy being structured entirely differently. So what gives? How did any of it work? What would limit ybe government from "buying" thousands of anything?
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>>6156119
there's no such thing as real money
>b-but muh gold coins
shiny monopoly money
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>>6156050
Yes that helps considerably. Thanks for making the burden of my retardation easier.
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>>6156119
cont. they'd dig into the foreign currency reserves like US dolars and gold bullions, which they acquired by selling goods like oil internationally.

The states of the COMECON formed an international trading bloc, but states had the monopoly on trade. Regular people couldn't buy anything their state wouldn't sell them. It was states that bought from other states (or from private companies from outside the COMECON).

As for why they couldn't just produce infinite things, >>6156045 has it: you only have so many workers working so many hours, you only had so many machines working in parallel, and you only have so many materials on hand, at any given time.

To explain why they "overspent", Reagan-fanboys like to think he outsmarted them by forcing them to waste resources on their military, but the oil glut had a lot more to do with it. The price of oil dropped and the USSR's own oil needs increased so it made less money from exporting to outside the COMECON. Without foreign hard currency reserves, the USSR couldn't make up for it's deficits (all countries have them, desu) by buing that which it lacked from other countries. Living conditions deterioriated and things like nationalism and anti-communism grew, absorbing more and more of the dissatisfied population (though elements of the local nomenklatura and the chekists rode these movements to their own, new positions of power where they still are today).
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The government would just order things. Naturally resources weren't infinite so if they made orders that were too big there would be a shortage and a bureacrats nightmare trying to fix it. Most of the resources went to military equipment for decades which is why consumer goods were ignored.
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There is money. Money is a standard means of exchange. It must have a number of qualities: being fungible, being durable, being recognizable, and being portable, and there being somewhat stable supplies of it. It also helps that it is accepted in those economies that have things worth trading for, as opposed to small, undiversified economies.

All sorts of things have been used as money: cattle, squirrel skins, deer skins (hence why they are called "bucks" in the US), cowry, wampums (see pic), etc.

Having a number of these things in your possession, essentially served as proof of past exchange of valuables, specially when these goods didn't really have survival functions, as is the case of sea shells. Other moneys had practical uses, like cattle, but unlike precious metals, these usually have high demurrage (that is, they are less durable and/or are harder to store, saving for later).

Cash economies evolve naturally from barter or gift economies when one commodity is so much more reliably traded than other commodities that it becomes the standard means of exchange.

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WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
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https://youtu.be/hTbPmkSAk70

thread theme

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In the Netherlands, the Eighty Years' War was the period in history that was heavily focused on in primary and secondary school, being of great national importance. Obviously, everyone learns about the World Wars and so on, but I'm interested in the subjects that are highlighted in specific countries, which may be skimmed over or not taught in other countries. We, for instance, were taught only minor details regarding the American Civil War, whereas Americans are generally taught much more about the period, I'm guessing. What period in history is more present in your country's collective memory than others?
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>>6155234
Grade 6
You just reminded me
We put on a play about the conquest of the aztec empire and ponce de leon and that frog in the north
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>>6153810
>US
>Grades K-5
We did "Social Studies" not history, so we learned about "Communities" and shit, though in grades 3-5 you get a rough outline of American History
>Grades 6-8
In this order, Greece/Rome/Egypt to Middle age Europe to Renaissance to American History
>High School
Further explaining American History, stuff like WW2, French Revolution, pretty much the last half of middle school w more details
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Went to school in Canada, so very heavily focused on Canadian history.

fur trade > new france > conquest > loyalists > 1812 > rebellions > confederation > louis riel > railroads > WW1 > conscription crisis > general strike > depression > WW2 > medicare > quiet revolution > war measures act > repatriation
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>>6153810
France: WW2 and colonization.

In WW2 how we were evil for helping Germany gas the kikes and for colonization, how whitey ruined Africa.
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>>6155234
any good books covering the pure discovery process of central/north-western america by the spanish?

>the bad guys won WWI
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>>6154301
>Belgium
Lmao.
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>>6154400
The joke goes on too long and falls on itself, not even a germaboo
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>>6154251
>> /pol/
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>>6154149
>The bad guys
>When the other side was entirely made up of g*rmans and t*rks
"No."
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>>6154301
> AH, Serbia AND Romania all good guys at the same time
That's quite a conflicting stance.

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>"Germans? A trifle. It was simply a matter of outsmarting them. You see, Germans had limited men and ammunition. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they exhausted both and capitulated. Voroshilov, show them the medals I won"

What did he mean by this?
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He learned from Cadorno.
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>>6156149
I love Zapp Brannigan so much, shame Hartman never got to play him.

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The entire British Army or 100 modern day U.S marines?
Assuming that winning for the British means killing every Marine and winning for the Marines means forcing the British to leave or a peace treaty.
Also Marines will have enough ammo to last them five years and will be sent operate independently alongside George Washington's
army. The British would have the same resources and manpower they have today. Disease will not be factor for anyone involved.
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>>6155140
>The British would have the same resources and manpower they have today.
Then the British would obviously win.
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>>6155706
marines might be good troops - debateable - but that doesnt mean they wont brick it when faced with a thousand horses bearing down on them, troops that were trained to meet cavalry charges still broke on occasion.

its not a matter of whether they know intellectually that they can handle it, its the fact that the sheer mass of oncoming horsemen especially if they are in open order has a psychological impact that bypasses the rational and goes straight for the hindbrain.
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>>6155693
>Well then the marines win by default, because Washington's army was able to do it without them anyway.
I think we are exchanging the french, spanish and dutch support for the marines, in which case washingtons army is in fact not going to be enough by a long shot especially as the british would then be able to deploy their full might rather than hold more than half back to defend the other colonies and britain itself.

the american war of tax avoidance can fairly be described as the last war in which the french beat the english.
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>>6155140
unless they have 100,000 bullets, the army
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>>6155996
>the american war of tax avoidance
heh
I like that

In honor of black history month. How big of an impact did they have on shaping europe?
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>>6155477
I don't think they were Nordics, but race must have played a role here. A group of people don't lose their intellectual potency just like that. Arabs got pretty bad when they started reproducing with sub-Saharan africans.
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>>6155085
>a single Amerindian product
I find it funny how desperate one can get to be so proud of a vegetal
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>>6155514
Arabs were and always subhumans morons
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>>6155546
>feelings over an object is funny
False premise, inconclusive judgement.

eurangutan reasoning skills...
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Before the arrival of Muslims India was an advanced civilization based on Hindu science in Hindu philosophy but then the Muslims came invaded and ruined and set back Indian civilization. Why?
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>SanskritiMagazine.com
Get reliable sources.
>Why?
Because Islam is a barbaric religion that destroys any civilization it comes across. It destroyed the Middle east, it destroyed North Africa, it destroyed parts of Asia like Pakistan and it will destroy Europe if we don' do anything to stop it
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>civilization
>DESIgnated
pick one
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>>6156176
Christianity is dumb too. I've created a better religion than all of it. If you want, I can tell you how to read the first scripture.
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>>6156182
shut the fuck up schizo
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>>6156190
Plenty of great geniuses, prophets, sages, and more came off as schizo to the rabble. Without engaging my scripture, I will forever come off as "schizo" to you. I am not just a random preacher or delirious man who had false visions. No, I am on a mission. Humble yourself and give my scripture a chance.

The Lê dynasty of Vietnam had Chinese and Malay eunuchs in it's imperial palace. Over 100 Chinese young men from the Ming dynasty and an unknown number of Malay young men from the Malacca Sultanate were castrated by the Vietnamese from the 1460s to the 1490s as their ships were blown off course into Vietnam leading them to be captured.

http://www.epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/reign/cheng-hua/year-8-month-7-day-28

>Chen Yi, chief steward guarding the pearl-beds of Guang-dong, memorialized: "People from Nan-hai County were blown by the wind to the country of Annam, and there they were made to serve as soldiers by the king of that country. Later they escaped and, on returning, advised that over 100 Chinese persons whose ships had been blown there, had been detained and castrated or imprisoned." The memorial was sent to the Ministry of Revenue, which requested that despatches be sent to grand coordinators, grand defenders and other officials requiring them to prohibit soldiers and civilians from going abroad as merchants or having private dealings with fan countries, and also requested that the soldiers guarding the pearl-beds be instructed to devise means to prevent such contacts. This was approved.
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>>6152110
The Khúc were cuck.
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>>6130121
someone post the pooh-bear pasta please
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>>6147475
The Hồng Bàng dynasty banged the Hồ dynasty.
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>>6148268

The Chinese fear the Vietnamese BVLL
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>>6130121
Lê dynasty Vietnamese Emperor Lê Thần Tông had a Dutch-Korean concubine called Ourousan or Onrona San.

http://ditichlichsuvanhoa.com/danhnhan/Le-Than-Tong-1619-1643-va-1649-1662--a274.html

http://baotanglichsu.vn/vi/Articles/3096/12111/cac-ba-vo-ngoai-quoc-cua-vua-le-than-tong.html

http://timhieulichsuvn.blogspot.com/2019/01/cac-ba-vo-ngoai-quoc-cua-vua-le-than.html

http://phunutoday.vn/blog-nguoi-noi-tieng/tham-cung-bi-su/201208/Cac-ba-vo-ngoai-quoc-cua-vua-Le-Than-Tong-2177037/

https://www.f*cebook.com/notes/la-dynastie-nguyen-et-le-vieux-vietnam/tracing-the-footsteps-of-the-first-vietnamese-community-in-france/710868915778586/


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