>cheap>fun to drive>reliable>good gas mileage>truck-like amount of cargo spaceDoes a car like this exist?
Yes but not new.
>>27631468VW Jetta has an inordinate amount of space for you to carry shit, the GLI is a fun little driver, and it is cheap. Go and get one. It's my DD.
>I want a car with no compromisesKill yourself
>>27631468>cheap>fun to drive>reliable>good gas mileage>truck-like amount of cargo spaceGood gas mileage and large cargo space are mostly mutually exclusive with fun to drive. A Miata is fun to drive and has good gas mileage; but its got no cargo space. A second gen Prius meets all of your criteria; but its not fun to drive.I suppose a Pontiac Vibe GT or a Toyota Matrix XRS might qualify. They're both the same basic car with the same engine and transmissions. Good cargo space, decent MPG, cheap and reliable since they're basically a Toyota Corolla wagon.
>>27631494Yes. What's wrong with that?
>>27631468>Cheap>Good gas mileagefind something actually cheap with bad gas mileage
>>27631468Honda Fit.>>27631569Because everything is a trade-off.
>>27631468Just get a crossover or long wagon like the Outback. Trucks don't really have cargo space. Tried moving with my buddy's F150 and we couldn't even fit my queen size mattress in the bed, let alone get anything stacked on top of it once it was taking up all the space. Took several more trips than it would've with just a Uhaul, and I know this because I moved everything in with a Uhaul box truck in one trip. I could've rented a Uhaul or Home Depot pickup for cheaper than I paid him. Home Depot also has box trucks now. Rent a real truck if you need to do truck stuff, pickups are pathetic. Renting a trailer, open or enclosed, gives you far more space than a pickup bed and you can tow a trailer with any vehicle that has a toe hitch, which Uhaul will weld into any vehicle you bring in. It doesn't stand out on crossovers, and there's sometimes already threaded holes to mount tow bars.
>>27631632>laying the bed flat so it takes up all the available roomcringe and bad spatial awareness
>>27631468>MINIVANIf you need a practical car that carries a ton of stuff, that's your answer. Anything else is just minivan-avoidance cope.>not fun to driveAdjust the nut behind the wheel and slap on some sticky rubber. Minivans are more agile and faster than the 86 these days.
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>>27631468>carNo>van Yes.
>>27632563I live in the US that isnt obtainable here
>>27631646based zook bro
>>27631468Replace "fun to drive" with "comfortable" and learn to accept 24 MPG, and I got something for you.
>>27631468Honda fit**only fun to drive if you get the manual sport model and live where there are lots of twisties
yes.
not really in the US market since automakers are bullying enthusiasts into buying trucks and SUVs so they only have to make two or three chassis and maximize profits by tricking people into thinking that truck that costs 2% more to make is worth 20-30% more.you can get a decent wagon from a carmax or something for under 20k if that's your definition of cheaper
>>27632568Get some other minivan
>>27632585Are you that guy from the other thread with an excel spreadsheet detailing 8k in repairs?
>>27632797Not me. I've had that MGM for 45,000 miles, and its needed nothing but a rear brake job. And that's only because the previous owner drove like a woman.
>>27632693100% mexican owned. imagine the bean fart stain seats
>>27632585>>27632977Based and same. I've had my MGM for 70k miles, bought it for $1200. It hauls tools and engines in the trunk constantly, pulls a trailer with bikes on it frequently, still gets 24mpg, and the only thing I've done to it was a brake job and oil changes. These things are killer. They can be made fun to drive with a TKO swap and an LSD though.
>>27633344I've always wanted a panther body to rip around in.
>>27631468Overpriced but can find for cheap occasionally>any 90s Honda>RSX or EP3>Celica GTS or Matrix XRSAnd now cars that the masses haven't caught onto yet>Mazda 3 hatchback, base not speed>Ford Focus, base not S(V)T>Volvo C30>MK6 Golf 2.5These last 5 cars aren't performance oriented drivetrains but have performance versions that you can easily swap suspension parts with. Even stock these cars are fun compared to other econoboxes
>>27633352The MGM has got some TALL ASS gears, though. Still, it's a RWD V8. I wouldn't trade mine for anything. Except maybe a nice Town Car. Or a Marauder, of course.
>>27631646Had one as a rental to offroad in Iceland and it barely fits some luggage in the back.
Pick any euro diesel wagon from 2003-2016
>>27633455Can confirm, but that makes it an excellent highway cruiser. 8.8 rear means aftermarket gears are stupidly cheap and easy if you want to change that though. Wouldn't trade mine either, a more perfect daily doesn't exist, especially at the pricepoint. Marauder with a manual swap would be peak panther though.
>>27633520Oh yeah, and I'm a highway driver. Once the torque converter locks at 45 MPH or so, you're barely above idle, doing highway speeds. At 85 MPH, you're still only around 1,500 RPM. But driving around in stop-and-go traffic, I almost wish I was in a Mark VIII or even a Mustang. But for 95% of the driving I do, the MGM is a dream.
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>>27633803Anything above 6000 dollars isnt cheap
>>27633833just buy an older one
>>27633312clean it as you would any used car.
>>27631468Very cheap to import in the rest of the world, but probably cant have in burgerland due to 25 years
>>27633965I wish proboxes were available in the US I'd buy one as my daily in a heartbeat
>>27631468180sx
>>27632585I love my Town Car. I'd even go so far as to say its a little fun to drive with RWD and a V8. Its not a fast car but its not a slow car either and it has enough power to be fun.
>>27631468Your best bet is probably a CTS-V wagon or an E39 M5 wagon conversion that someone else built. An E39 540i wagon is slow but may suffice but regardless none of those will have good gas mileage. The first two will be fun no matter where you are. Many of the cars named here, like the Matrix, Fit, Mazda 3, Volvo C30 will not be fun unless you live in the twisties. They're just too slow, which is ok when you have good rows but not fun when you don't. Panthers are a retarded suggestion. They're cheap and have a huge trunk, but they get terrible gas mileage. You may get low 20s on the highway, but if you do mixed driving you'll be getting 15-18mpg. I know because I owned a P71 years ago.>>27634140I'm curious what you've driven if a town car is fun to you. I've owned a P71, which is faster than a town car, and it was only fun until the novelty wore off, then it was only fun if I was on a fun road like TOTD but was otherwise one of the dullest vehicles I've owned. Almost anything is fun on a road like TOTD, unless it's the most soul-sucking, dull, horrible handling, numb piece of shit, like the Camry I drove through there once on a road trip.
>>27634196I'm not the Town Car Guy, I'm the MGM Guy, but I'll answer for him- croozing is fun. If you're idea of fun is drama and excitement, you get a motorcycle. Some people's idea of fun is croozing on leather bench seats while listening to Robert Palmer's first album.
>>27634330I'm the other MGM guy and I can confirm. I've got my other car for fast and exciting, the Mercury is fun in its own right because it's comfy and relaxing to drive.
>>27631471Based, wagons were the perfect form factor
>>27634196>I'm curious what you've driven if a town car is fun to youMy first car was a 1988 V12 Jaguar XJS. My second car was a 2002 Nissan Maxima SE with the 3.5 V6. My current cars are the 2008 Town Car and a 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R 6 cylinder.The XJS was fast and past 60 the engine just laughed at anything you asked it to do all the way up to 130 MPH but it really didn't handle particularly well.The Maxima was nimble and had decent speed but it was FWD and understeer is boring compared to oversteer.The Subaru is purely practical, with the 6 cylinder it has pretty decent power and it rides well; but you can't really throw it around at all.The Towncar is a big whale; but its more fun to drive than the Outback or the Maxima because its RWD. I live on a lake with a really curvy road around it with a 35 MPH speed limit and I've gotten pretty good at throwing the Towncar's weight around and accelerating out of the curves. Were it a lighter more nimble car I probably couldn't have as much fun going around the curves with a suggested speed of 20 MPH at 40 MPH. So for me, yeah, its fun.
>>27634330>croozing is funI'm the Towncar guy and I also agree with this. I cruise around listening to Duran Duran in my big comfy V8 land whale and I feel like the king of the road.https://youtu.be/vQnSS3H-I5U
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>>27635119 I live in Miami and this album is the first thing I'm gonna play when I get a car. Has serious vice city aura.
>>27631468E91 (6-speed rwd) with the N52.
>>27631471I would rice the shit out of that.
>>27631468You're welcome.
>>27631569Because it's the mindset of retards and women
>>27636552How?
>>27636039I see the miata also got his trailer name from ATHF
>>27636039Number one in the hood G
>>27636578Some milkshake should steal that danger cart with a borrowed Mitsubishi stealth named 2 wicked
>>27633359>Mazda 3 hatchbackThese things will absolutely lift off oversteer with the VSC disabled. Found that one out when my wheels peed sensors kys and disabled the active nannies. I've driven it that way for nearly 8 years now.
>>27636672>wheel peed sensorIs that the retarded one built into the knuckle? If so then I just fucked it up and can't get it out. Guess I'll live without VSC
Yes
>>27631468Corolla verso
>>27634196>CTS-V wagonCheapest one is $37k with a salvage title sold by the desert kikes in Utah. For a clean one you're looking at $45k minimum.
>>27636559Because it is entirely detached from reality, and the reality of designing a machine.Such thoughts are only capable from someone who has never made something with their own hands
>>27631468I drive an Octava mk3 vRs which is most of thisOf course yanks will never know this joy
>>27639081And? OP wants something that is not available for $10k.
>>27631468It does exist, but everyone hated it.
>>27641320$40k+ isn't cheap.
What do I win?
>>27640413Anything I have to put in ”H“ to drive and get 3 hectares on a gallon of kerosene I can do with out.
>>27642170Cars that are fun, reliable, fuel efficient, capacious aren't cheap. Most of what is suggested in this thread are total turds, unreliable junk, or fuel guzzling (yet still slow) pigs.
Is this guy serious? Does he not know we're gonna rape and kill him?
Taylor is an ANGEL!
Honda airwave or fit. I can sleep in my airwave and carry my kayak in it (just need to tie the boot down).
>>27641554It's weird they never sold these in Canada. Wagons are decently popular here with hipsters and older folk. They don't really meet any of OP's requirements which is probably why they failed.
>>27631468>Does a car like this exist?Yes.
>ctrl-f TSX>0 results
>>27632676If it's an auto those do not get good gas mileage. The 3.1L is a very thirsty engine and in the J body they were stuck to a really crappy 3 speed auto which fucked the fuel mileage even moreStill fun little cars though. I own a 91 Sunbird with a 3.1l, I love the car but the fuel mileage is worse than my other car which is a W body with the 3800
>>27631468honda fit 5mt 2nd gen obviously.
>>27634140i feel like it' be a hoot to drive if you manual swapped ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvh3rjBfa4Massuming that the chassis/body is similar enough to the crown vics that you wouldn't need to do a lot of cutting and welding of course. it's counter to the town car being a comfy croozer but i feel like that's part of the fun. grandpa can boogie when he wants to.
