Fat fuck editionCan't link the last thread because the archive doesn't allow searching for some reason
Wow this thread is dead
>>142833Why is paintball so dead here? Is it just because airsoft appeals more to edgy internet types and weeaboos?At least in my area, offline it seems like paintball is way bigger. We have way more paintball fields than airsoft fields around me and most of the "airsoft fields" are just dedicated airsoft days on paintball fields.
>>142883>Why is paintball so dead here? Is it just because airsoft appeals more to edgy internet types and weeaboos?It's milsim larping, while paintball is an actual competitive sport, so yes. Paintball is a different culture. Even the milsim/magfed guys are mostly making an aesthetic choice, and are much sportier than the average airsoft guy.Paintball is popular with people who like that it's a competitive sport, with an enforceable ruleset. So, like, the opposite of the average guy on this shithole.
Using ancient images of noobs for these thread OPs while nostalgic and funny certainly aren't going to interest anyone.
>>142892Modern paintball design is so god damn boring thoughI want clear hoppers and modular parts back
Thoughts on the latest NXL layout?
>>143050I only play woodsball
>>143050I love a straight snake. The diamond snakes always make me want to fling my shit like a monkey.>>142883Paintball is kinda dead in general. It's never gotten back to as big as it was in the mid 2000s. And yeah, it does seem like more people prefer airsoft these days because the equipment is more realistic. But paintball is still sticking around.I'm gonna play this weekend for the first time in about 2 years. I bought a GI Stealth (because I'm a faggot who loves buying random private label shit) about a year ago but this is the first time I'll be using it.
>>143078>because the equipment is more realistic.I always figured the ammo being like 20x cheaper and not perishable was the big difference
>>143079Also true. And from what I've seen, far more places will let you bring your own BBs than will let you bring your own paint. So it definitely seems like airsoft is cheaper in the long run.I've never gotten too into airsoft. But from what I've seen, the guys who have never been in the military take it way too seriously and the guys who have been in the military just fuck around.
>>142883I was into paintball in high school. I assumed it was dead everywhere at this point. Do people still give a shit about paintball? I assumed everyone was doing airsoft now since it’s cheaper (at least it was when I played), you can do call of duty LARP with plastic replica guns, and you don’t have to wear full face masks for safety.
>>142716>the only field within an hour drive is complete shit
>>143249Where you at, my friend?
>>143352north florida. nearest field is run down shithole woodsball
>>143353Damn that sucks, Florida has some of the best facilities in North America if you are willing to drive central.
None of my friends want to play with me but I want to try paintball, so I'm going to go to an indoor field this weekend by myself. Is this gonna be weird? Am I gonna have trouble joining a team or something? I've only played once 11 years ago.
>>143510people go by themselves all the time. myself included
What's your favorite paint color?
>>142716Any Ontario bros?Really don't feel like doing airsoft, it's too fucking boring / autistic.I want something fun that people treat like a game.
NXL Lone Star Major stream.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STEX20qVnuU
>>144080Is everyone still shooting luxes with virtue spires?
if i wanted to get into paintball, what's the quick way to do it? i don't have a ton of money at my disposal, but i would be willing to drop $100 on it. i really feel like i would enjoy this. gonna try airsoft next month, i think i'll enjoy that too, but i wouldn't mind doing both. i am sick and fucking tired of sitting at home every weekend. i haven't had a fucking life since 2020
>>144144Just rent first and see if you like it. Try and find a field that uses emeks or something for their rental fleet instead of spyders or tippmanns.
>>142883paintball is near nonexistent in my state. i've been looking for places to play, seems like there's only one place and it basically is just league or existing teams with no way in for noobs. i wanted ffa deathmatch or pickup games with 4+ players. maybe that's just me being way too optimistic being raised on >muh vidya, maybe that's me being too optimistic in general.
>>143050This shot played so weird. There were 2 easy lanes off break to make getting into dorito impossible so I just hung out at the corner. The snake dominated the whole field if they got to about the 50
>>144211I agree with this anon. Try renting first. You'll likely drop at least $100 just renting since a case of paint alone costs $60-$80 at most fields. But if do you like it the first time, don't immediately go out and buy buy a bunch of gear. Try it again a few times before you decide to drop a bunch of money on it.And if you do decide you like it, don't buy a high-end $1000 gun, $200 air tank and $200 hopper. Buy low-end or mid-end gear first. Buying the absolute top of the line gear won't magically make you better.
Hot take but regarding hoppers a revolution is literally all you need now that people aren't shooting 20 bps anymoreThe new ones have old school style soft shells too
>>142716Anyone on this thread play at Bunkerfest?
>>145879Do they? I remember for the longest time the newer Revolutions had the absolute worst, most brittle dogshit plastic.
>>150158I'm not sure if it's still in production but I got one of the current line revolutions around 2015 or so (probably Empire branded at that point) and it has a soft shell.
Paintball looks sweet, always wanted to try but never have for some reason
>>152880Eat some paintballs for me
>>152880Go for it. The sport has been declining since about the mid 2000s and can use all the new players it can get.I'm 34 and I started playing at 10. I started playing tournaments at 15. I played pretty much every weekend up until about 3 years ago when I stopped entirely. For whatever reason, I just stopped enjoying it. Last weekend I played again for the first time in 3 years. I was incredibly sore the day after but I also realized that I really missed doing this shit.
I'm an Aussie getting into paintball just now, I've played a lot of airsoft in NZ and gel in Aus, including speedsoft. I am thinking about picking up a DSR+ and a DYE hopper to learn speedball. Should I go for a this setup, or look for something more enrty level. There's a few local fields thank god, but mostly only rentals play on normal days. I've never attended a tourney or anything for it, so I haven't been able to ask anyone irl
recently got back into it after a 15 year break. first gun was tippmann a5, then i built mags and cockers. built a few pump cockers and then i tried a stock class phantom. a duckslide popped up and i grabbed it. its all i use anymore. 10rnd tubes and 12grams. stock class only big games are alive and well here on the east coast, but one of the best feelings in paintball is running down the 15bps speedball guys with $2k+ in gear, putting a single shot right between their eyes with my ratty 90s setup
>>154382I'd love to find some 15bps Xball again. Shit died in like 08 went to 12.5 and now it's down to 10.5. Mech trying to come back though
>>154398im mostly taking about rec play. 15bps is the cap where we play. guess i should mention out group is all 20+ y o dudes with most of us in our 30s with like 15 o g old heads in their 50-60s. usually ~20 dudes showing up when we play. all our guys shoot mech cockers and mags and the agg dudes all play pump. the airball dudes mix into our games here and there but the electric and space mech stuff is kinda looked down upon with our guys.
>>154382>doing whippets on the paintball fieldseems dangerous
>>154657mfw at most of the big games (2k+ players)80% are drinking, smoking, snorting, tripping
Barely anyone bought these things in the 3 years they were in production. I've owned 4. They're not the most attractive guns and they're a little heavier than most modern markers but I've always loved the way they shoot. They came out around the same time and functioned similarly to the SFT Shocker. But as someone who has owned several of both models, the Quest is far more reliable and far more efficient.
>>154382I have the aurora duckslide tucked away in a closet somewhere
I went paintballing once for my birthday when I was a kid, and this guy showed up with a fully auto gun and just fucking blasted me with like 20 roundsEnded up crying and going home lmao
>>156330Unfortunately a lot of guys do this to new players. Then they bitch that paintball is dying and/or costs too much.
>>156340paintball is dying because fields are focused on selling paint instead of on selling fun
>>156330The first time I went I don't think I even saw another ball in the air, I was such a fucking pussy I wouldn't go anywhere near the actionI think the second time I played I had a teammate shoot back at me a few times because he didn't see my armband and then the third time I actually had a legit firefight with someone and from there I was hooked
>>156346Selling paint is where they make their money. They buy cases for $15-$20 and sell it for $60-$100. Which may seem shitty but it's a proven business model and there are many, many retail businesses where their margins are even higher. And virtually every field that charges less for paint fails within a few years because they aren't making any money.How would you suggest fields make money?
>>156481>How would you suggest fields make money?I wouldn't. The idea that a zero overhead business needs to be for profit is idiotic.
>>156609>zero overheadI don’t even play paintball but I assume the fields still require upkeep, the land costs money, employees need to be paid, and insurance is needed for the players. How the fuck is that Zero overhead?
>>156612we should implement communism to fund paintball fields
>>156612If you believe a single word of what you wrote you are the reason that paintball is dead.
>>156624>If you believe a single word of what you wrote you are the reason that paintball is dead.Lmao, good luck running a sporting complex without insurance or employees, dumbass
>>156629Good luck running a sporting complex without customers, retard.
>>156633Having customers is meaningless if what they’re giving you doesn’t pay enough to keep the place open. Stupid commie, what is your solution? Just let everyone on your field for free and hope for volunteers to maintain it for you? Go ahead and run a field that way if you think that’s a workable model. It certainly can, but probably won’t which is why people don’t do it.
fuck billy and adam gardenerthat is all.
>>156779I always loved AKA's guns and the Gardner brothers saw to their demise. At the time of their production, the Viking and Excalibur were the only guns you could get 2000 shots off a 68/45 right out of the box. They're still some of the most air efficient paintball guns ever made.
>>157447yep. the Sidewinder reg is legendary. we all had to have those back in the day. they also saw to AGD's demise, which is an atrocity. Tom Kaye was incredibly innovative. eventually DYE stole his design for an anti-chop eye that sits at the bottom of the breach and he brought compressed air to the game of paintball. he did those studies on accuracy. the warp-feed provided super feed speeds (in a 20 ball burst or so) literally invented force-feeding. Mags were the shit. I always wanted an X-Mag. there was an old article in PGI or something called "Smart Parts will destroy paintball." hard to claim that they haven't been proven right. paintball thrived in its variety of mid-level companies and robust array of offerings in general. now Kee and GI like own everything alongside PE.
recalling years ago i bought a used tippmann 98 with longer barrel and highcap co2 tank. went to a local indoor field a few times got covered in welts. mostly i would just sneak into the local abandoned cookie factory, open the velocity screw and blast out as many windows as i could find. blogpost complete thx
Getting into paintball cause of coworkers and there are some upcoming campaign matches.What are some nice jackets and pod carriers to get?
>>157488A couple years ago at least, NXE pod packs were the budget goto. I love mine
>>142883Money. Airsoft gets most of the way to what you can do with paintball but it just costs so much less. A case of paint vs a bottle of bbs just isn't even fucking close. It's also closer to the CSGO/Fortnite/COD that kids are into nowdays. Most parents can be sold on an airsoft gun that the kids can use in the back yard, but are absolutely not going to have hellions running around with markers. Kids get into it earlier because it's more accessible to them, and stay with airsoft because of the price differential. Not to get political, but for paintball to make a comeback, disposable income has to go back up.>>156330>>156340Yeah, my local field here in Chicago splits the beginner walk ons from the BYOG set. Kind of sucks sometimes, last weekend I had some 3v3 games while the "casuals" were having like 15v15. But, you get to play with a higher quality of player and little billy doesn't get shredded by a jackass using ramping in recball.>>156481My field has decent paint for $60 and allows BYOP, but it's also a big field near a huge city and they run a lot of big private groups.
Daily reminder that first strike is cheating
>>158331yeap. paintball thrived in the rich times of 2005. after the great recession it's fucked.also it's not cool anymore after it was taken over by rich, tasteless bratchildren.
>>158648I think the publicly facing sport being taken over by geared up teams dumping paint on a speedball field harmed it. The sport is so far removed from recball games that you just can't feed people into it. The BPS wars being killed was good, but honestly I think BPS caps should be lowered to 7.5 or mech. There was/is just too big of a gap between what some kids can do and afford on their own.The reason all the big sports are so big is because the barrier to entry is low as fuck. If little Robby goes and plays all day at a birthday and loves it, he's going to look at the higher level and see that it's dumping case after case of expensive ass paint and quickly realize that he can't afford that. There's also zero place to play inside urban areas, which cuts off the majority of the population. The Chicago Major coming up in September is a 30-80 minute drive from most of the city and you can't get there at all by public transit. There's only so much you can do with wealthy suburbanite/rural kids as the major source of new paintballers (both rec and sport).
>>158331>my local field here in Chicago splits the beginner walk ons from the BYOG set>My field has decent paint for $60 and allows BYOPBadlandz? I haven't done open play there since there were a total of 8 open players and my friend and I were the only experienced ones. So Renick (the owner) tells the ref that we need to be separated from everyone else and can only play against each other. He said this to the ref right in front of us but never addressed us or even looked at us. Then he walked away back to registration. So I went right up to him and told him to give us our money back. He of course bitched about it until he finally relented and said we could play with the other people. And it turned out fine and everyone had fun.
>>156329no way
>>158691>the golden age killed the gameno. just because you're too fat for speedball doesn't mean it doesn't require skill. sorry that the game was ruined for low test fatties.
>>158709Yeah, I've always heard people complain about badlandz, but I haven't had a lot of trouble. I've also never been when it was super slow. The worst it got, they just told us to not use ramping and don't be a dick to the kids.The BYOP thing is really nice when you can get a good deal from discount paintball up by O'Hare. Makes a difference when PB Explosion is $100 a case for field paint. Blast Camp is fun, but more of a drive than I usually want to make. I haven't been or know anyone who's been out to Fox, but I see it on google maps. Where do you go?>>158691What the hell is this take? Geared down games and amateur teams have always been a thing. Besides, nowadays there's 10 man woodsball with mech guns in ICPL. NXL still has more drawing power.
>>144024Not from Ontario, you do have a point about airsofters. They are either chill or cringe people
>>156329I remember when they brought back the Aurora color scheme as "Oil Slick" because it wasn't technically the same color since it wasn't produced using the same dangerous process.>>158733Before that I generally had good experiences at Badlandz with open play but that particular experience just turned me off to the point of not wanting to go there anymore. And when I still did team practice, it was usually decent except for the days when Aftershock would show up 2 to 3 hours after every other team and immediately kick everyone off the X-ball field because they only wanted to play against themselves.Back when I was still in the Chicago area I went to Fox and Legacy in Lockport. I always enjoyed Fox but I haven't been there in about 5 years so for all I know it could be drastically different these days.And if you haven't been to Legacy, it's pretty pricey. They openly admit they cater more to private parties and corporate events because they're willing to pay more than regular players. But I worked there for a bit so I get a discount.Now I'm out in Indiana and I go to Blast Camp. It's 20 minutes down the road.
>>156633okay now you're just being stubborn
I havent played paintball in years but I came back to the idea of it for some reason. Going again would be weird because I think it would be just me among a bunch of little kids there for their birthdays. picrel is the last experience I had with paintball
>>152991seriously, why do manufacturers feel the need to make them look appetizing?
>>160948lol was this like a paintball light gun game? i think i remember seeing commercials on tv for this
>>161851Yeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thoO3rsgQ9c
Alright assholes, you want to know why paintball isn't as popular anymore? It's not fucking rocket science.>Most people just want to go in the woods and shoot their friends.Most people don't give a shit what they shoot their friends with, just that they get to run around and shoot their friends. Airsoft is cheaper, and they get to shoot plastic copies of real world firearms. Most people will get their itch scratched through airsoft. The only thing that paintball has over airsoft is competition. You can actually ref the fucking sport, and not get into a "no u" shit fight as often.>Speedball is competitive, but it fucking sucks to watch, and is too fucking expensive.How many people who play this sport actually watch it? Not enough, and can you blame them? Watching paintball is like watching flies fuck. It's boring, and the camera can't focus on anything. Team sports need something a crowd can focus on if they want to draw any interest. Nobody gives a shit about watching a bunch of dude sit and dump pods of paint until the game is over. And the paint. It'll never be affordable to play this game unless the amount of paint on the field is hard capped in some way. Given equal skill, the more nickels you can afford to shoot at someone else, the better you'll play. This is bullshit. Make the game object oriented, and incentivize movement instead of shooting ropes, and you'll get people watching.>People want to LARP.It's retarded, but the 14 year old, and his friends, want to make their marker look like real guns. It's been like that since day one. It doesn't need to be meta, but it needs to at least feel usable at a semi competitive level.Maybe this all points to CTF on a speedball field using some sort of magfed autococker. I don't know.
>>164825a tourney with Flag format on hyperball fields with single finger trigger mags and cockers (no r/t), maybe only revvys, is my ultimate dream for paintball. in the meantime, stock class only big games are the only paintball that interests me currently
>>165916You're not the only one. Paintball shouldn't have gone past the shooting speeds of a decent mech. People talk about how the mid 2ks was the "peak" of the sport, but it was really more of a "it was the best of times, it was the worst of times" sort of thing. The early 90's was the true peak. Looking back, everything seemed viable, everything seemed primed to grow. Lot more optimism.Personally, single flag, pump, stock class, or magfed, on a diamond shaped field, home starts on opposite corners, flag goals on opposite corners. Eliminations don't score points, players re-enter in staggered fashion on elimination. Only score points by touching the flag to your teams goal post. That's my dream tourney.
>>164825All of those points have already been articulated in this thread. I'm sure you feel all pumped up by being an asshole and "telling us how it is" but you just sound like a massive faggot.
>>155016Where at? That sounds fun kek
>>166341Sounds a lot better than the speedball fags who insist it's not their game that killed this sport for the last 15 years.It's good, aggregated info for anyone coming into the thread.
>>166122this but no magfed and no respawns. that stuff is for scenario games and has no place in a competitive tourney
>>166403the living legends games. theres one in NC, one at myrtle beach, one at chesapeake city, a few others but ive only been to those. check out these sweet proshields i just dyed brown
>>166122The peak was the era before first solenoids markers : Pump paintball was something, Automag was superior to Autococker because it required less repairs. The major issue with paintball was and always be the cost of paint. If the cost of a box is less than $35 or 35e tax incl, you'll see a ton of players, if it's something near like $50, it's over. Pump paintball was a low cost entry for paintball, now it's over, every shop and fields pushed over rapid fire marker to sell more and more box and made a quick buck. Congratulation now Paintball is dead. The only way to expand paintball would be to create field in city and schools using Reball and alowing paints only for tournament.
Why didn't paintball mature and grow after the 2000s? Growing up that in era, paintball was very popular. We played a lot on the weekends and would travel to events so we could watch the pros play. Then it just fizzled out by the 2010s. Was it paintball that stopped growing, or was it the 2000's era just propping up extreme niche sports?
>>167554Most players in 90's and 80's were mil-sim players, in the 2000's era to expand the sport the competitive side was pushed using supair-ball field, competitive electronic marker were far superior to mechanical ones so they have been replaced. Mil-sim players and Youngest ones went to Airsoft because, players were less toxic and more chill. Pump players grew up and went to semi-auto division. (beginning of 2000's in EU) I've dropped in 2003 to play exclusively on PC (CS and World of Warcraft era)Once you are experienced there is nothing to do beside playing competitively in a team but in a semi-auto division it cost around $25000 a year without sponsors. (it's like half the salary of an engineer in my country)If you want to play competitively well it was already really hard back then : you had to build lot of stamina and if you are fatty it was dead even in the lowest division of an amateur league. 20 years have past and now maybe it's time to come back but I'm not young like I was and even more fatty than before.
>>167618I am honestly in better shape now than I was as as teenager. Mostly because I was a pack a day smoker at the time. I haven't played paintball since maybe 2005-2006. I forget it even existed actually until something came on my feed about it. Sparked my interest and I have been thinking about returning.
>>167388>automag was superior to autococker because it required less repairsyoure wrong. both platforms have their drawbacks. the learning curve is higher for cockers but they are rock solid when set up correctly. mags are a much simpler design, its just a regulator and a valve. But they are far less air efficient, heavier than milled autocockers and just not as interesting. theres a reason autocockers are vastly more popular and there are thousands of different parts to pick from.the issue within the issue of the cost scaring people away is that folks play once with rental equipment and think thats all there is to it. Foggy goggles you cant see through, heavy and awkward rental guns that jam and shoot shitty. my brothers and i got into paintball checking out my local store and bought tippmanns with decent barrels, revvys, and thermal lens masks before ever even playing and when we did, it was so fun we stopped playing videogames and went every weekend. >>167618i know zero paintball folks who switched to airsoft. less toxic and more chill? more autistic maybe>>167632definitely check out the stock class scenebuild a decent stock class phantom for ~$200 or grab one from the FB groups, and join the stock class groups.the stock class scene is the funnest and most laid back, friendly and talented in all of paintball. a single bag of paintballs will last you a month playing every weekend.youll become so much better at aiming and moving, theres no better feeling than popping out on a speedball dude with a $3k+ setup and putting a single shot right between his eyes with a gun from the 80s
I am too out of shape and poor. Used to play in the late 2000's and early 2010's but the paint is expensive and the day fee is a lot too. I could do pump again, that was fun.>>167554I sucked and wasn't competitive nor aggressive enough for speedball.I preferred sneaking around in the forest and getting an angle on a guy.
>>167879> the learning curve is higher for cockers but they are rock solid when set up correctly.In France you had like 4 or 5 experts that could repair a cocker back then, if you had any issue on a field you were on your own even on the most popular field it was rare to find someone with a cocker or even someone knowing how to made a fine tuning, most information came from magazine back then. > stock classStock class was never my thing, but when I was 13 after selling a super famicom I bought a Sheridan PGP with 100 balls I could last 10 games a day, it was fun because we were in full camo playing in woods without any artificial obstacles and after a year I switched to a Sterling STP turbo. (Most other player had a pump or semi, I was alone on stock class in early 90's)> punp markerYou could stand against Mech in woodball and some speedball too, but against electro you were dead meat. Playing pump it's 800 to 1000 balls a day or 2000 if you train seriously, 4000 for a tournament so it's affordable to play paintball.
Someone can explain what is the difference between the high end markers? (Like CS3 GEO4 LV2, why Planet Eclipse produce 3 different high end markers ?) Currently I'm interested by the DSR+ (Mostly due to the color choice of the blackout copper see pic.), but in the price range now we have the Shocker SP and Gteck 180R) but, where I play shops are mostly planet eclipse partner shop... so technically taking a Planet Eclipse will be better, if I have an Issue.Lastly what are the pros and cons of a Shocker AMP?
>>1675542008 recession happened and paintball prices pro your im coming back to play casually as Illinois still has great local fields still
What’s a better field to check out in Chicago land? Explosion, badlandz, or legacy adventure?
>>142883If one shot took 3s per shot, you could make it more interesting, otherwise its just pussy dry fingering contest between fat greasy nerds.
>>1675542008 recession and rural white communities getting destroyed by opiates
>>167879I'm one of the few that went to airsoft, sometimes I encounter severe autism levels out there.
>>168118Back a decade+ago when i was playing it was mostly bps, recoil, and reliability. I had a bob long closer and that thing was nice, my friends shocker amp had quite a bit more felt recoil and reliability issues.Some had exposed bolts like the bob long intimidator or planet eclipse ego.Those were nice since you can remove the bolt easily and clear a paint jam.Instead of with the closed bolt design unthreading the barrel or messing with the rear. Could be different with modern gunsI miss techpb bros
>>167079The reason I don't personally care is because Magfed itself doesn't mean much to me. What is stock class but magfed by another name? 10 round tubes are just as much mags (or maybe more a form of clip?)ADN has made some pretty tourney looking magfed markers, and a stripped down EMF100 wouldn't look out of place either.
>>169245EMF100 also has a sport version too but as it stands I still use an axe 2.0 even on woods ball. Id like to buy a cs2 or geo4 but I am absolutely appalled by prices for these markers.I can splurge a bit I even wear HK gear but I have to save up a lot in my fun budget and I have other hobbies. I love paintball over airsoft but the prices man its no wonder every kid runs to the BBs over paintballs.
>>169274The only overpriced hk gear has gotta be their jerseys, pods, shitty rebranded markers, and shitty cleats.I do like hk pants tho and the masks
>>169274I really wish the EMF100 wasn't so much more than the Emek it's based on, but I think it's just that people who buy it are eating the cost of the production. Economy of scale, the magfed scene is still a niche. It's the only part of paintball seeing an influx of fresh players, but not enough.In your case, I'd honestly look into grabbing a pump. You don't need to be shooting ropes in the woods. Nobody does. It doesn't need to be that expensive.
>>169390I was looking at Phantom CCIs. I am mostly playing woods over speed so I should get the pump.
>>158691The BPS has been killed, because it's stupid to play w/o limits you have only player siting down on the field and dumping their paints like retards during 5 long and bored to watch minutes. But holy shit 60$ for 2000 case it's game over on the long run. I don't know why those paints are manufactured in USA/Canada and in EU we pay nearly half that price. (ours salary are half yours too).Numbers of paints should be limited on the field, like 500 (1 hopper and 2 pots) for front players, 600 for the one in middle position and 1000 for back with whatever BPS in tournament. But anyway if shop wants sell more they need to cut the price by 2 at least. We could have like 5x or 10x more player with cutting the price par 2 in 10 years.
