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>>55796170With the passage of time, even SuMo TCG stuff seems kind of nostalgic and soulful nowI regret selling my rainbow rares
Gen 3 reverse holos are cool
>>55796189>SuMo
>>55796495All of the gen 3 cards are cool.
>still buying modern
Does anyone actually use these?
>>55798418I have a drawer full of them and i keep telling myself that i'll download the client at some point, use them all and maybe play some games
>>55798418>>55798455That being said if you want to donate yours i imagine you'll have more luck at /tcg/.
>>55798458Oh right, I forgot tcg and tcc are different generals.
dead general
When did you realize that Evolving Skies as a set was ultimately a fucking joke to the collecting community?
>>55798370Yes I buy modern
Anyone got a list of which cards in Paldean Fates AREN'T reprints? I'm talking actual new cards that aren't found in any of the other sets. Sure, Penny got a new illustration, but she's not a new card.Every Google result I try to find is just SEO bullshit hyping the set like it's the third coming of Jesus
>>55799351explain?Is it just because it's expensive?
>>55799844Aren't all of them just reprints from a gameplay standpoint?
>>55799537>not Luxray
>>55799844look here and see which cards have a japanese release they are from, those are new to us:https://www.justinbasil.com/set-lists/sv45>>55800697no, some of them are from the japanese set, shiny treasures ex (like pic related), or previously only released in japan. this shit gets surprisingly complicated for special sets. I have no idea what they're going to put together for our special set in august.
today I opened pokemon cards a first in 20 yearsI had 2 whole ass displays + 1 booster of 151 (got lucky)but I didn't get a lot of illustration rare unfortunately
>>55799351It's just the perfect storm to burn everyone out.>ridiculous number of cards in the set>insanely low pull rate on everything shiny and up>multiple cards worth hundreds>whales trying to manipulate the marketThe set has nice cards but its financial and not to mention fun suicide trying to pull anything of worth from the packs.Drop $100 on any other SW&SH, S&V, or S&M set and you're gonna walk away with at least a couple cards you're happy with. Dropping $100 ES is a gamble to pull even shit.
>>55801508>shinyMent holo
>>55801315Great shiny sweet corns! Sometimes I do miss trading my Suicune star, but ultimately I feel it was worth it.
>>55796495>>55797111You're not wrong.
>>55800481there are 145 thousand cards just from this set alone graded through PSA. 10 thousand of them are just the umbreon alone.if you know anything about PSA pop reports, for a card to be considered "rare", there will be a population less than 1000 for PSA 10. thats why its ridiculous to even consider evolving skies a "chase set" and umbreon a "chase card" because its has to be the most graded set in the history of pokemon. nobody wants to talk about it because its like admitting your whole collection is valueless to some of these new collectors.
>>55803456Sounds like cope.Supply and demand.
I’m in a pinch and need some cash. Should I sell my sealed booster box case of evolving skies. Or my case of brilliant stars & chilling reign together instead.
>>55804187Can't you sell a box or two instead of the whole case?
I know better than to buy sealed but the gambling urge sometimes gets the better of me, so I cave in hopping to pull some actual hits but end up with worthless shit, often times cheap shit I'm not even interested, then I swear I'll stick to singles but eventually repeat the cycle again. FUCK Paldean Fates.
>>55804526I understand that feeling anon. I just buy singles and an occasional loose booster or blister pack from time to time. I do still buy sealed but I save them for when I open with friends once a year. At least I'd be hanging out with my bros opening packs rather than chasing hits.
Twilight Masquerade SAR pokemon are so bad it makes me not wanna open a box for the ARs and trainer cards. temporal forces was already a rough box for me (ace spec and gastly)
>>55799537>Houndoom found his next victim
>>55798370Considering that there are retards that think anything after the wotc era is "modern", yes, many people still buy modern.
>>55802533
>>55804881
>>55804766Temporal Forces BBs seem to have the worst pull rates since Steam Siege or Crimson Invasion. I opened a box and got 2 Ace Spec, 1 ex, 2 art rares and 2 full arts; one of the packs had a fucking extra code card instead of the guaranteed holo lmaoThe other box I opened was good and had a Hyper Rare (I am annoyed that they tried out that new embossed style for the PF Hypers but went back to gold vomit for this set) but even that was way less stacked than any Scarlet and Violet era booster box that I've opened before.
>>55802533kickass Typhlosion card, anon
idk if I should even attend the prerelease for this set, it is kinda ass bros
>>55803646we will see when the dust settles.
>>55796495is that even a reverse holo? the foil are still on the parts where it usually goes on the regular holo cards. pic related is what a Gen3 reverse holo actually looks like.
>>55807442Yes, when pokemon officially dropped e reader support, the reverse holos changed to ones like in my pic. Their holo patterns would be different based on whichever set it was, and their set name would be in the corner.
>>55807500I should clarify, obviously they aren't *literally* reverse holos, but they took over the role reverse holos had, and the name stuck.>1 per pack>could be any holo rare or worse card in the set
Stellar pokemon leak
>>55807924>twink rabbit>320 HP>thicc juicy water mount>220 HPYeah yeah, stage 2, whatever man fuck you
>>55808142game balance can be a bitch like that
>tfw no 'toed>>55801174j'adore cet Exagide
Just opened 5 Paldean Fates tins.Got pic related plus shiny Rellor, Luxio, Toxel, Ralts, Weavile, and Grafaiai which all went in the binder.Was a pretty good hit after a series of bad packs.
>>55807924>Chandelier Head shitarts.Probo Pass
>>55807924it's literally just Crystal Pokemon from e-reader era minus the type change gimmick wtf the heel.
>>55807442>>55807500>>55807569The name changes depending on what and where the holo is. But people still use "reverse holo" since the card is found in the slot originally reserved for reverse holo cards. Those cards are actually called "set stamp holos" but most people don't use that term. It's more descriptive and describes the specific holos from the later half of the era, in contrast to the reverse holos from the first three sets.
>>55807924Is this from that Supercharged Breakers set then?Also, they need to drop the fucking crowns already. Just a crystallic effect over the Pokemon would have been cool enough, like how BREAK Pokemon were just golden. The hats actually ruin 99% of the appeal of these type changes, hell the only reason people prefer the double rare versions is because the hat gets obscured thanks to the art being enclosed within a frame.
>>55807924>not even a new type>cards look even tackier than normal teraspass
>>55809248>Is this from that Supercharged Breakers set then?if these are real I'd imagine they are from Stellar Miracle, the July Japanese set. Supercharged Breaker is a Japanese set as far as we know and doesn't come out until October, so I wouldn't expect those cards to make it in english until late this year or more likely early next year. If these cards are real, they'd probably be released in SV7 in September. All that being said, although these look real, it's strange that they'd already be leaked in English, considering the Japanese versions wouldn't even be available until July. Unless they're promos for some product in the summer, I dunno.
>>55808509>Paldean Fatesbro stop
Wasn't there an upcoming set called Night Stalkers or something?
>>55808897Can't find an official source for them being called "set stamp holos". Even from posts 15+ years ago, no one was referring to them as that.
>>55807924I don't get it, what makes them special? Is there a CHAWIZAWD that's going with them or something that makes bandwaggoners sperg out?
>>55810548There's going to be a PIKACHU and CHARIZARD from KANTO in back to back sets! MY CHILDHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
>>55810119I like Paldean Fates…Trying to get a master set.
>>55805187
>>55807924>Galvantulabased
>>55807442SOVL
>>55807924its genuinely fucking over holy shit
>>55811878I'm happy to see him finally getting a fancy card, but I'm disappointed because I doubt he'll be good enough to get a cool SIR or anything.
>>55807442They went fucking hard with those gen III reverse holos, God damn, they're actually blinding.
>>55807924>all 5bangenuinely over
......so im converting.
>>55812561>censoringare you scared or something? lol
>>55812561Didn't that game suddenly end or something?
>>55812561>metascamLMAO
>>55812929yeah, it died so i decided to complete all the sets. say what you will, but i had way too much fun.
>SwSh stadium boxes have 12 boosters total >SV stadium boxes have 11>nothing added to make up for itwow what a bunch of niggers
Are vintage cards going up in price anytime soon? :(
>>55808509Are you guaranteed a shiny in each pack or did you just get lucky? I haven't opened any yet, and can't remember how the previous shiny sets were.
>>55813414And special set ETBs used to have 10 packs while being cheaper too. The world is fucked
>>55812023That's neat
>>55813086no you didn't. There's nothing fun about doing that
>>55814055No, they're not guaranteed. But they do have a relatively generous pullrate. I think they average about 1 in every 3 packs.
why are sword and shield base sets going up? Marnie is literally 35 dollars. A booster box should not be 300 dollars
>>55814491If anything, Battle Styles should be the one mooning
>>55814270k
>April 2023-March 2024 is another record year for Pokemon TCG revenue in Japanremind me again why people think SV era is a flop? is it just butthurt scalpers frustrated that they can no longer hoard product and make a quick buck off chumps chasing muh heckin moonbreons?
>>55814774It's butthurt scalpers and """"""""investors"""""""" because we're back at pre-pandemic levels of product, and there isn't some massive chase card in every set. (That one's mostly because normies have no taste)I've also seen the absolutely bananas take of "IRs really devalue the appeal of alt arts because of how many there are" from SV haters.
>>55815160IRs have been the best thing to happen to the TCG.t. collectorchad>Verification not required.
>>55814774People using the secondary market value of an era with higher pullrates and more available product as an indicator for its success.>>55815528I'll admit that despite being happy about more pretty cards, I was one of the people who was a little worried that IRs would bloat things and make alts feel less special. But they're genuinely the best thing to come of the SV era. They look good and they're fun to collect. They're rare enough that it still feels good to pull them and rather than tanking the market, they've established a relatively large range of value with many of them becoming legitimate chase cards. Pulling dupes doesn't even feel bad because they make great trade fodder. Not to mention they finally give pre-evolved pokemon the chance to shine.
>>55815936IRs are basically the only way you're going to see some love given to """lesser""" pokemon, so by that alone they're based as fuck.
>>55815160>>55814774These, SV era is genuinely the best era of the TCG since probably XY.>IRs for a lot of fan favourite (like, actual fan) Pokemon, several in each set means people aren't just chasing one money card, prices are kept lower>SIRs are absolutely beautiful and not insanely hard to pull like alt arts (I know they made them harder from Temporal Forces onwards but still, 1 in ~2 boxes beats 1 ~4 boxes by a long shot>the new ex cards are actually half-arts again and some of them have gorgeous artwork (new Gengar ex for example, cool as fuck)>tera ex have goofy crowns but are basically Delta Species again>English gets based ORIGINAL cosmo foil promos again, they look beautiful with the holo borders too>Stellar tera ex are basically Crystal pokemon again>Ace Specs are back and look rad >sets like Paldea Evolved and Temporal Forces have a great roster of PokemonThere are actually things exciting me about this gen of cards, Sword and Shield just fucking sucked, it had like 2-3 cards max worth getting in each set that were ridiculously inflated price-wise
The best part of all the new Illustration Rares are how they incorporate worldbuilding into the artIf it was just each Pokemon getting a traditional full art with a 3D render on a swirly background it'd be shit, but the artists always put so much life into the illustrationsThings like showing Pokemon interacting with others in their natural environment (like Swablu and Altaria), what it would be like owning them (Riolu, Eevee etc) and how their skills would be used in a society where Pokemon work alongside humans (the new Timburr, Metagross, Excadrill etc) are the coolest shit in the world to me
>>55813565>Are vintage cards going up in price anytime soon? :(Anyone?
>>55815160>alt artsWhat's that? These ones? https://pkmncards.com/print-type/alternate/
>>55816711Nah, the non-rainbow rare full arts like these ones:https://pkmncards.com/rarity/rainbow-rare/page/2/
>>55816769Oh, right. I see.
>>55816629I've said it previously, but I genuinely believe some of these illustration cards do a better job in a single image of world building and establishing characters than the entire media franchise has up to this point.
>>55813565>Are vintage cards going up in price anytime soon?>>55813565>Are vintage cards going up in price anytime soon?>>55813565>Are vintage cards going up in price anytime soon?
>>55812908That one anon that used the certs of a guy flexing to make counterfiets and anon had to resubmit all his slabs to get them reactivated.
>>55817296If you go on TCG player and buy out the availability then relist them all for more than you bought them for, than yes.
the dark age
>>55818343at least there aren't cards in those boxes.
anyone order the japanese versions of some swsh era gallery cards just to get the silver borders? they look so much better when displayed.just wish we could have the best of both worlds and kept yellow borders for common/uncommon/rare/holos and silver borders for everything else
>>55818343for me it's the DP era. that era literally has no valuable cards
>>55820788and that's how it should be. the only cards that were worth anything was because they were meta in the card game.
>>55821044As much as I'd like this (despite playing), it would cause a loss of interest for collecting, eventually ruining the TCG.
>>55821114Except we literally lived in a reality where that was the case for many years, and the TCG didn't die at all. The TCG exploded in popularity during the pandemic, but that doesn't mean it was doing bad pre-pandemic.
>>55818343the fact adrive did this still pisses me off to this day.
>>55821114>cause a loss of interest for collecting,No it wouldn't. People collect things because they like them, not because of their value. If the cards were worth nothing the only people that would stop getting them would be investards, which would just make collecting more enjoyable since you wouldn't have to put up with them anymore.
>>55820788you do realize that the modern pokemon collector only preceives base set and cards released in the last 4 years as valuable. you do realize that people only care about modern cards because thats all they own. you could literally have some of the rarest cards outside modern and base set cards and the modern market willl undervalue your collection because its not their taste. when in reality its rarer than their modern shit?dont buy into the hype and sell your shit for cheap. its what they want.
>>55820788>Lv.X has cards worth over $100 raw>Some Prime cards are worth over $100 raw>Some Shiny secret rare reverse holos are worth over $100 raw>Some legend cards are worth over $100 raw per half>All Call of Legend shiny cards are worth over $100 raw and many well above>inb4 $100 is not a lotOkay.
any valuable modernshit lately? im talking moonbreon level
>>55824253Fuck off
>>55824253Anon? You haven't heard about the SIR Ogerpons from the upcoming set?guaranteed money makers those ones
>>55824253you need to buy as many magikarp IRs from PE as you can get your hands on. $100 is a steal, at the current rate they will be a $1000+ by eoy, you can take that to the bank.
>>55823935the bigger problem with collecting any set outside of Base and Modern is that when you look at the pricing it will be like 50 bucks a card. but the bigger issue is that all the cards are in heavily played condition. you either spend 50 bucks on a shit card or you buy modern. people are not listing their cards from 2004 to 2018 on ebay. and when they do its just overpriced trashed cards that no one wants.its why i stated that these cards from these other sets are far more rare than people understand.but if people knew that then they would try to snag em before others did. and no im not selling my stuff.
>>55824857unless you were collecting at the time, many of these sets come off feeling very dated and unappealing. they are in an awkward middle ground, they don't have the classic feel of base through neo, and they don't have the slick design of modern art cards. combine that with the prices and conditions, as you say, and there just isn't going to be a lot of interest in people collecting these unless they are finishing what they started 15-20 years ago.
>>55824892>i got my fill of modern>i cant afford base sets to neo>lets see if theres something else i can try to getnope. thats what people are running into. say what you want about the art. but rarity is another aspect of collecting. and people keep hitting the brick wall when it comes to this. i know its true.
>>55822463Can you redpill me on who that is and what they did? I have no idea who this sperger in the pic is or why there's so much McDonalds.
Alright be honest guys.I went to a garage sale and paid 560 for about 4k cards, about half of which are Vs, VMAXs, EXs, GXs, holos, and a handful of rainbows, alt arts, hypers, etc. Most expensive card I saw so far was roughly 30 usd. Decent amount of okay condition base set, fossil, jungle, rocket, and early x/y era stuff. Decent collection of unopened packs too, as well as a bunch of random binders, coins, dice, etc. (all the garbo that comes with etbs and premium collections). It was very obvious all the good chase cards had been pulled from the collection (tons of blank/missing spots in the binders), and it seemed he just didn't want to price out anything 30 and below. Was I massively ripped off? I feel like I still received good value for what I purchased, but I am a little salty he wasn't forthright with his pulling the chase cards. He made it seem like the collection was compete and he was a noob (very obvious he wasn't).
>>55821169>>55823466Look at the quality of the art pre covid boom, and look at the quality afterwards. Everyone and their uncle buying cards forces pokemon to hire good artists that produce good looking cards
>>55825407You take the risk when you buy from garage sales. The problem nowadays is that everyone knows about pokemon cards and the value it may have. That goes for any known old collectable card games like mtg and pokemon.It's also easy to price check cards nowadays as people can just google it or use apps to scan the card like delver lens for mtg or look up card prices through the collectr app for pokemon.
>>55825514Yea it was a big risk, and I didn't have time to flip through every single page. I mean, there's no fakes, most cards are in very good condition save a few random exs his kid obviously folded up or brought to school. Even if I'm conservative and estimate each holo or better cost .50 cents, I still purchased at a major discount. I just needed to gut check against you guys here.
>>55825435there's always been great art, but for baffling reasons they thought that people liked 5ban slop for most of the rare cards instead of handcrafted scenes from artists that actually care about the characters
>>55825553Ngl, 5ban have a bunch of nice cards. Not even like one or two, but a whole lot.
>>55825653i'm sorry bro, there are occasionally some interesting ones, but that card sucks ass. look at this inert 3d model on a solid background, amazing!
>>55816604>Stellar tera ex are basically Crystal pokemon againOutside of the retarded energy requirement no the fuck they're not dude what made them special was how you were able to change their type on the fly depending on the energy card you used. This is just tera ex cards with amazing rare's stupid energy costs
>>55820041Fuck are those magnets up to... I don't like it
>>55826145if you know of a better way to mass produce mysteriously charged pyramids, i'd like to see it
>>55825739Maybe his favorite color is pink and white and blue.Hey wait a minute
>>55825653I like their full arts from the XY and SM eras, the SW ones like utter shit for reasons I can't quite figure out.>inb4 hurr durr nostalgia
>>55826471>the SWSH ones look like utter shitFucked that one up quite a bit.
>>55796495>>55802533Based and gen 3 pilled, that’s the only gen where the reverses are better than the holo raresI just picked up a whole bunch of the cheaper old school exs (LM walrein, both shiftrys, crawdaunt, absol, vileplume, CG aggron)>>55804881Used to have that scizor but some faggot conned me into trading it for his rayquaza ex (world championships version of course) in 3rd grade cause I didn’t know what the WC cards were
Do you guys collect cards with different languages (due to better prices and/or other factors) or do you like to keep it consistently in one language?
>>55827058if its cheaper in japanese ill buy it in japanese otherwise i stick to english if the japanese rse cards kept the e reader design i would've bought those too
>>55825266during the pandemic and at the height of the pokemon craze, this twitch streamer, Adrive, basically bought hundreds happy meals just so he could get the pokemon packs from them. he and many other people did this practice.in all reality, they are crappy mcdonalds promo cards. they are still overvalued today, but the fact he did it, made people mad.that and he was promoting websites selling pokemon boxes for 2x or 3x the MSRP price.
>>55827058>>558271231st edition > Japanese > unlimitedThis is usually the path I'll take. I rather have a 1st edition, but if that is out of price range at the moment I would prefer to have multiple Japanese vintage holos than the equivalent unlimited english holos.
>>55827058I don't mind different languages. I would like to have these cards in english 1st edition, however. Regardless, these cards will still be featured in my binder among my english cards.
>>55827058im from America and i speak MERICA'
>>55827058I buy japanese, eng, and chinese.
>>55828816We can tell
>>55828871French and German for the funny names
>>55829128I also have 1-2 thai cards for the squiggly lines but there's one card I'd want to get in indonesian just cause of how stupid it looks.
>>55829249the text keeps getting higher it looks like the poor fella is trying to keep his head above it, bout to go under lol
>>55829249that's silly
>>55799351One week later its nearly 100 more PSA 10 moonbreons.really makes you think. enjoy the flop the best you can.
>>55832148Supply and demand.
>>55832331on no they are waking uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO-lZZkPvs&ab_channel=PhillipsCollectibleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng9WgDHGLd8&t=801s&ab_channel=DannyPhantumphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ePLbTWp0Y&ab_channel=OpossumBud
okay these alt art prices make no sense. what the FUCK is going on?
>>55832352They've said this for months. Prices have dipped. But they've always recovered. We're at new ATHs for pretty much every card in the set right now. There was an ath about a year ago, then a dip, and now a new ath. Same videos were made back then.
Alt Art Crash Waiting Room
this boom is eerily similar to the boom that happened last year around this time for japanese waifu cards/promos. new summer boom cycle? if so just sell everything now to these idiots and buy them back for pennies in a few months
is S&V151 good to start collecting if i have no real interest in the TCG outside of looking at the pretty ones and wanting to consoom gen1 shit?
>>55832649i know people are going for the japanese masterball set of 151. me personally i would get the full holos and thats it.
Bought a paldean fates ETB and two collector tinsThe only card worth anything was a shiny Charmeleon. I got hosed like a protester in Brazil, holy shit. I'm buying singles...after Twilight Masquerade comes out and I buy one booster box.Then it's singles
>>55832414>buy them back for pennies in a few months>penniesMoonbreon is now $700 instead of $1000, talk about pennies!
How many keks do you spot?
>>55832331Where's the demand though?
>>55823935the most expensive i can see was Stormfront Charizard and CoL Lugia at 350 USD, while previous eras have Pokemon Stars, Crystal Pokemon, etc. that goes for thousands.
>>55833543I only see 8 keks.
what the hell happened to this card? i remember this one going for cheap on the secondary market when TEU was new, now its price skyrocketed to 700~800 USD!
>>55833685Obviously there since people are paying for the card and it's actually rising in price.
>>55834691i scrolled through plebbit and saw at least 3 posts with more ungraded moonbreons.i think you think its rare and the price is just. but you are in for a rude awakening.
>>55834753I think you believe you've found some economic anomaly that is going against supply and demand.I never said that the card is "rare"There are over 10 thousand psa10 copies. It's not rare. But the demand is there to match the supply and so we see the high and rising price. It's been rising consistently since its release with some dips here and there along the way.
>>55833887Pokemon cards exploded in popularity in 2020, and with the surge of new people coming in, they started to appreciate these alt arts more than existing fans did.
>>55832649Yeah sure. You will get raped on prices for it though, but that's okay, genwunners don't deserve good deals.
>>55836117I really want my own Giratina Lv. X. Nice cards, anon.
>>55834833i think you underestimate the idea that at some point the enthusiasm for pokemon in general will die down. when that enthusiasm dies down and sales slowdown, which they will, whats going to happen to all the well-preserved cards that everyone graded during the last 4 years.with ever increasing pop numbers. even the most tenured collectors would agree with me. nobody is special if everyone is special.
>>55834833and yes sales are slowing down. anyday of the week i can get product at walmart, target, barnes and noble.there is no more FOMO buying. people have what they want and the market is getting stagnant.only retards disagree.
>>55836771>>55836784Your points have already happened though. Evolving skies is no longer being printed and isn't in stores unless you happen to find a product that contains ONE single pack. There has been ups and downs in the popularity of the TCG since the covid boom. We've seen product sit on shelves and people struggle to sell leading into 2023. There have been MULTIPLE ups and downs in the card market. There was a time when Umbreon vmax dipped to nearly $200. Then it rose to $600, then it dipped to $400. Then $600 again, then another dip. And now? $1000So during the next dip, will you be satisfied? People aren't satisfied. The SV sets are being praised MORE than all the swsh sets for their better pull rates and better illustration rares. As others have mentioned, the TCG has done more for pokemon lore and world building in the last year than in 25 years of manga, anime, and games.
>>55836814all i see is a bunch of cope. pokemon product is available everywhere. you are not fooling me.im waiting for another couple months to watch the prices dip even more. because i know they will go cheaper. its basically over, this price hike looks like desperation from the people that have, and the have nots dont give a damn.
>>55832115lovely card
Going to be able to retire any day now.
>>55836839>all i see is a bunch of cope.I'm not sure how you can say that I'm the one coping when all I've seen for the past four years is the cards in Evolving Skies appreciating in price. You're literally the one coping here, lmfao. You're actually delusional. I'm telling it as it is. The cards have continued to rise in price steadily with dips in between. How is this coping when this is exactly what has happened. Umbreon has had psa10 figures in the thousands of copies for years now and yet the raw price has continued to climb. Cope and seethe.
>>55836839>this price hike looks like desperation from the people that have, and the have nots dont give a damn.The market price is based on its sold price, you fuckhead. I can put an asking price of $10,000, but it's not the market price if it doesn't sell consistently there. Umbreon is actually selling between $900-1000 raw on tcgplayer consistently. The have nots clearly give a damn since they're the ones buying at this price and establishing the market value.
>>55837432there are probably another 30-40k PSA 10 moonbreons waiting to be graded with another million evolving skies booster boxes that have yet to be touched.im not coping worth shit. im just the only smart one in the room that is thinking the long term rammifications of this and how delusional you all are for drinking the kool aid. >>55837440imagine having a PSA graded card where the pop is higher than 3 figures.
im mean you are assuring me to buy in now, that the price is right. yet everywhere i look i see it.
>>55837462>there are probably another 30-40k PSABuddy, people were saying the same shit when the pop report was at 500 psa10sThen again at 1000 psa10s, then 2000, then...Yes, you are coping because I'm simply stating things as they are. You are making projections and predictions and statements that you've repeated for years and when the pop report was 10x the size it is now. Yet here we are. You are literally the one coping here since you're coming up with things that aren't happening whereas I'm just posting sale prices that actually exist.
>>55837480moonbreon is the toyota corolla of the tcg world.
>>55837480there is nothing exotic or rare about it.
>>55837462>im not coping worth shit. yes u are>im just the only smart one in the room that is thinking the long term rammificationsyou're bound to be right if you narrow the timescale and say the same thing foreverBroken clock...twice... etc...if u said this two years ago u would have been right for that time period but then u would have been proven wrong 6 months later lol
>>55837491>there is nothing exotic or rare about it.Point?Supply and demand.
>>55837462>I'm not coping I'm just basing my reasoning on a premise that I made up and that has no factual basis in reality
>>55837505Uh bro, supply and demand economics generally apply to things that get used up and disappear, degrade, or have a very small print run
>>55837546>Uh bro, supply and demand economics generally apply to things that I just made up that support my argument despite all the evidence pointing against my argument for the past four calendar yearsI don't think you understand supply and demand. It's an extremely simple concept, yet is robust and consistently explains the market value of a product or service.
>>55837565It's your money, bro. Have fun.
>>55837599you too :^)
Goon squad with the boss.
>>55837440>Umbreon is actually selling between $900-1000 raw on tcgplayer consistently.Okay, so retards are paying those prices with the exception that it'll continue climbing even higher so they can sell it off for a profit. But what happens when collectors put their foot down and say they're not paying these retarded prices? Scalper cucks are left with holding a bag no one's willing to buy, then what?
>>55832352>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ePLbTWp0Y&ab_channel=OpossumBudI decided to check out this guy's other videos and came to find out about this Kurt's Kleaning Kit or whatever the fuck it was called where people are using chemical substances with unknown formulas to clean their cards for grading and reselling without disclosing that they were chemically altered. I've gotten back to collecting like a year and a half ago and bought a shit ton of singles and like a dozen PSA slabs and now I'm really paranoid that at least some of my cards might be fucked with. Were any of you aware of this shit? What's your opinion on it? Apparently this shit's hard to detect even by the big grading companies.
i just don't care about moonbreon (I know, I know, UGH!). but I'm just not going to form strong feelings on the current market price of moonbreon, ok?
>>55838590well you must consider who is this for? normal people cannot afford this. nobody buys 1000 dollar pokemon cards unless they have stupid money. its only relatively expensive. do i have 1000 bucks i can throw down on a card right now?yesbut why would i spend that much on a card with 11k pop, where everyone thinks that their 1000 dollar card is really worth that. and theres probably another 30-40k of this specific card being well preserved in a toploader or a ultra pro one touch. because people think its actually worth money, and they never let it touch sunlight because the percived value causes them to be this stringent. only further preserving the card and not lowering the population at all. who is this for, and who is foolish enough to even spend more than 75 dollars on this card is just a sucker. i guess the people that have this card, just dread the day that people flood the market with it. and people get desperate and competitive, and it bottoms out in price. because the supply is probably greater than the demand. and its not a 1000 dollar redemption ticket to receive 1000 dollars back at any time. its a pipe dream that the 50k people that own this card are just not letting go. because who wants to be told that their shit isnt rare and their shit isnt that valuable because they price tracker on the internet said so. so like i said, who is this actually for, but a fool, trying to fool a fool.
>>55838628unless you are buying vintage, i doubt they would be restored.its more about removal of gunk from baseball cards. where in packs of cards they would have a piece of gum that could ruin a card that could be worth a fortune.i also heard that the formula that he uses is a little too harsh for the cardstock that pokemon uses. other practices such as card trimming to make it look better centered have been used in the past. and PSA has already made a statement saying they are going to refuse submissions of people using this and could ban people. i think the game has to be fair when it comes to grading. you cannot simply trim the card for a better grade, nor clean it. if it comes from the factory like that you have to accept your fate or suffer the consequences of being potentially banned from using PSA services.
>>55838628that method actually ruins the card so it'd be really obvious if you had them, if your cards look normal you're good
This cards currently sitting at around a dollar. Based off some of the metrics im seeing, similar to other cards this one looks poised to be the next card to experience a large increase, possibly to $10. I highly recommend scooping up the cheap ones left on the market before the whales move it.
>>55839180It's like I'm on fucking /biz/ with people advertising their shitty penny stocksYour next line is that it'll go to the moon.
Buzz
>>55839180most swsh irs are sitting on a dollar and this one is not on a particulalry popular pokemon or character
>>55839685Okay, dont buy it, the sales metrics are what they are. Dont cry after it shoots up.
Visible wear on vintage cards just adds to the aesthetic desu.
>>55838590How long have you been saying this?>Retards are paying $200 with the expectation it'll climb higher, but what happens when collectors put their foot down?>Retards are paying $400 with the expectation it'll climb higher, but what happens when collectors put their foot down?>Retards are paying $600 with the expectation it'll climb higher, but what happens when collectors put their foot down?>Retards are paying $800 with the expectation it'll climb higher, but what happens when collectors put their foot down?>Retards are paying $1000 with the expectation it'll climb higher, but what happens when collectors put their foot down?If it stops now and drops to $700, were you right given the context of the whole picture?
>>55838682>i guess the people that have this card, just dread the day that people flood the market with it.You, yourself, in this very post, stated that the pop is over 11k psa10s. When exactly is the market flooded, according to you?You people keep moving the goal posts to some arbitrary time in the future where people will FINALLY REALIZE that this card isn't rare. As if they don't already know this and have known this for YEARS as the card continued to climb in pop and price. You are literally coping so hard right now lmfao
>>55839846And if no one buys it even at $700 either then what?
>>55839800Yup, its like patina on a vintage car.Also proof it wasnt altered by card care.
>>55839800Theres a reason why coin collectors hate cleaned coins.No surprise vintage pokemon card collectors feel the same.
>>55839180Definitely seeing it be bought up like crazy this week, somethings happening with it. I grabbed 2 one for the collection and one to resell potentially
>>55799351evolving skies is shitroarins skies is better
>>55839180Gen2 ninja waifu is peak soul
>>55839895Card is $200>And if no one buys it even at $150 either then what?Card is $400>And if no one buys it even at $200 either then what?Card is $600>And if no one buys it even at $400 either then what?Card is $800>And if no one buys it even at $650 either then what?Card is $1000>And if no one buys it even at $700 either then what?lollmao even
was their any reason why they stopped with the EX for the SuMo expansion sets? its seems pretty stupid
>>55840005So you don't know?
>>55840039If no one buys at a price level the general trend is that the price level drops to meet the buying demand.Do you think you've trapped me or something? lmao
>>55840114Glad you finally understand.
>>55840242Hopefully you'll understand that everything I've said has been backed by sales data for four years, whereas you're coping for the future.
>>55840762Sales data from who? What kind of buyers?
>>55840840lol you keep getting more granular to try and rationalize. I didn't speak to every buyer, so I can't tell you their motivations. What I do have is the raw sales data that is telling me that the card is selling, and has continually sold frequently and at a higher price consistently for four years. You have no data, no information, and no knowledge. You have even less information than I do. Keep coping.
>>55840860Whatever man, just know that I'm not giving you more than $150 for your moonbreon regardless of how much you try to shame and gaslight people, in the mean time have fun holding your bag while more and more of your fellow investor scalpor cucks finally fuck off from our hobby.
>>55839859>>55799351I made this post 8 days ago and the pop was 10999>>55832148I made this post 2 days ago and the pop is 11,077now im making this post today and the pop is now 11,114, with no sign of stopping or slowing down. it could be 15k by the end of the summer, and there is still tens of thousands of these on the market.everything said and done there could be upwards of 20 to 30k of these in a PSA 10 hard case sealed forever, preserved in time. with tens of thousands more in raw. there is no shortage of these, there never will be. the price is a sham. and there is far more supply than demand. nobody is special, if everyone is special.
>>55840920>how much you try to shame and gaslight peopleStop using words you don't know the meaning of. How did I shame or gaslight you? Are you implying that I made you question your sanity through lies and deceit? This is absolute mega-cope and it's a little pathetic. >have fun holding your bagI don't think I'll have trouble selling seeing as the card just sold today for $950
>>55841035This post is cope. How can you not see that?The pop report was crazy when there were 1000 psa10s. Now there's more than 10x that amount and yet the card is more expensive now than it was then. You keep making these statements that people will somehow "wake up" to this as if people haven't been completely aware of this for years. Everyone knows the pop report is high. It doesn't fucking matter and every time you post this is just cope because the sales numbers for the past four fucking years don't lie. It's literally "two more weeks" posting. It's been two more weeks since 2021. >there is far more supply than demand.This is crazy cope.How can you say this while the price has been increasing for years? You're lying to yourself.
>>55841052k how many do you own personally? because if its more than 1, i think i know the answer to my question.
>>55841052come on now, i know you been monitoring this thread to try and gaslight me.how many of these mother fucking moonbreons do you own personally?
>>55841067>>55841080Unironically zero (0).And you don't know what gaslighting is. And you continue to deflect back to false premises based on an unknown future because you cannot cope with historical data.
>>55841101sure pedro. we all believe you own zero of these mf cards. and you are taking a stance for no reason against my banter.
>>55841106>banter>i was merely pretendingLmao this just keeps getting more pathetic. Astronomical levels of cope.
>>55841165Nice Arceus.
>>55841156i never said i was pretending. im clearly just pointing out the bullshit like i always do.
>>55841275Cope.There is no bullshit. Data doesn't lie. You have nothing to base your stance on aside from guesswork. You haven't pointed out anything.
>>55841156in fact this card is so retarded in value. i could get one offered to me for free and i would say no. because i feel that deeply that its a fucking joke to the collecting community.
>>55841283>>55841285tell me im coping. when in reality ive been busy shopping for cards that are special release that will have less than 3000 in total population. like there are rarer cards on the market than this card. i wouldnt spend 1000 on it. i wouldnt spend 100 on it. it clear to me that the pop count has ruined its appeal, and the only people that disagree is the circle jerk keep collecting psudo rare cards. just calling out the bullshit like i see it.
So how bad is CGC actually? This marnie CGC 9 is going for $20. While the PSA 9 is going for like $37
Stop buying Ariados you fucking retards.
>>55841880>StOp bUyInG aFfoRdABle AlT aRts, OnLy bUy WhEN tHeY'rE oVerPricEdKek no thanks
>>55841880Good ol' market manipulation at play.
What is (you)r rarest card?
>>55841773CGC is fine, people are just autistic about psa.
>>55841940So we should buy it before it goes up?Is it gonna go up?
>>55841880Omg they're buying out the bottom of the market meaning the only available listings will be 2-3 dollars higher after its gone making the card double or triple in value.
>>55839180I pulled this card :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4lwZ9Gk944&ab_channel=Nick%27sStrengthandPokemonyou did buy the metazoo dip, right? or still trying to spend 1000 dollars on a fucking meme card.
Grail
wanted to buy the Rayquaza V alt art from EVS for a while now (not the VMAX version) and it feels like almost every single one I come across is off-centered to the right. How does this so consistently happen
>>55843204eng print quality control at its best.
>>55832792I know that feel, bro. Recently bought three Premium boxes and these were my hits (promo cards indicate which pulls came from which box). Pretty much nothing I gave a shit about and the few that I kinda like I could've gotten significantly cheaper as singles. I will say that I got two interesting packs in this opening, one of them had two non-holo Grapplocts and the other had the full art Clodsire and gold rare Ting-Lu ex in the same pack, which was pretty sick, but too bad I don't care for either Pokemon at all.
>>55843398Also forgot to mention that the rares were reverse holos, which I personally consider a hit, not a big one of course but still. I also want to share some recent single pick ups, thanks to the previous thread I discovered that the Sun and Moon Extra Battle Day promos actually exist in a more affordable form thanks to the traditional Chinese version of the TCG, so I got a graded Acerola (because no one was selling a raw single) and Guzma, would've gotten the Lillie too but even the Chinese version is way out of my price range, even for a retardedly big spender like me. The Guzma promo also completes my Hideki Ishikawa binder, seriously gave up hope on a fully complete (so far) binder before finding out about these Chinese versions so thanks to the anon from last thread for bringing these to my attention.
>>55842914Best girl.>>55843424Grats on the recent buys anon. I'm glad others find out about chinese cards.Also, though I got my Lillie and Acerola from pulls, I may be able to help you find the chinese Lillie card. What's your price range and where have you checked?
>>55843492It's fine, i should slow down a bit on buying cards, since I've been doing that quite a lot this past month. But thanks for the offer.
>>55843522No prob anon. If ever, do check out in shopee taiwan or mercari for the card. Then it's up to you what middleman service you want to use.
>>55843531Thanks, will keep that in mind.
>>55841942Some "Quest Complete" Force of Will promos that you can only get by filling out a survey in a depreciated app a month before set release for them to mail you cards from the set with a gold stamp on them.But for Pokemon, nothing. I started collecting with SV
>>55843492>I'm glad others find out about chinese cards.Damn, people want that shit?
>Order some old common/uncommon cards that i somehow missed pulling as a kid>Order arrives>Like 1/4 of the cards are the wrong ones because the set has for example more than 1 rhyhorn card and the retard sent me the wrong one
>>55845287Did you buy from tcgplayer shops with less than 1,000 sales?
>>55796170Those all look like Digimon
>>55845305Cardmarket. Can't even be bothered to message the seller since the cards cost less than the postage. Just wish people learned to fucking read.
I know this is the collecting general but why are pokecard players here and elsewhere so against the idea of someone else making a fan client that lets you play cards normally and in a unlimited format where cards are altered for balance purposes? They seem to love how broken their current game is and yugi fans are the ones trying to fix their shit. I don’t get it; what’s wrong with these people?
>>55846067You sound like someone who wants someone else to make the client. Put up or shut up
>>55841942either egyptian mew, jungle scyther, or a first edition machamp
>>55846067I haven't ever seen anyone who was really against something like that though. But if I had to guess, I would argue it's just inconvenient enough to not be worth it. The current game has its issues, but does the job for the most part. It's easily accessible, easy to get the cards you need, easy to import decklists, you don't have to worry about a DMCA trashing your decklists, and every other player is already on it. A fanmade client would likely provide a better overall experience, but it would fracture the playerbase and split them between the two clients and the fact that it would almost surely be hit by a DMCA discourages anyone from actually putting the work into it in the first place. Ultimately I think most people just don't consider the issues significant enough to bother with even the most minor inconveniences posed by picking up a new client.
>>55841165Just realised it doesn't say Origin Form Giratina V. That's gonna annoy me now.
>>55845318>implying that's a bad thing
>>55845464Most sellers will actually send you the correct cards for free if they're just shitty commons (they really don't want bad reviews)
>>55845267Why are you so against them? Just recently got my first two T-Chinese cards and in terms of quality they're Japanese tier, admittedly I don't think Chinese characters are anywhere as aesthetic as Japanese ones but you need to deal with that for some cards if you want to get them at something even remotely close to a reasonable price.
>>55843492That chinese card is over 1kWhat the fuck
>>55846790Wait till you see what the Japanese version is going for.
>>55846660We'll see.>Ask for team magma card>Get sent a team aqua cardI get more mad just looking at these fucking cards
>>55846875And?It's still way too fucking expensive for what's basically a mediocre sfw png of Lillie
>>55846875>whataboutismDoesn't fucking matter.
guessing the next gen's shiny set will have raikou
>>55846919Uh bro, you're in the collector thread where that card in Japanese was only given to people who won tournaments during a two month period, with another period cancelled due to COVID
>>55843492you really spent 5 figures on that lily card? lilyfags are the biggest paypigs on this board, dont even think leafschizo has spent that much on any leaf
>>55845267I don't get the hate for cn cards. I'd understand if it were bad quality and printed outside of jp like korean or even english or other western languages with it's bad print and quality control in recent times.At least cn, th, id have exclusive cards like this with jp quality. Heck, even the alolan friends got reprinted in simplified chinese making it more affordable for collectors because I doubt it'd be printed in english after so long.
>>55847025No. I pulled >>55843492 from a single box I bought for like 130usd off of ebay from a lone bid.
>>55847057>why do people hate CN>on the weeb site known as 4chan>where chink hatred runs rampantGee, maybe explore outside your bubble and put some thought into it. There's card's written with the alphabet, card's written in majority Hiragana, and then there's Chinese written entirely in hieroglyphs.>but Japanese has kanjiNot every single piece of text.
>>55847025>not even Leafschizo spent that much on any LeafYou're right he spent way more and continues to do so.
>>55847076i thought that was a trophy card? maybe you bought a fake, dont think you can pull that card
Got in the mail todayPrice: WorthlessCuteness: Worth it. Top left
>>55847660The jp is a trophy card.>>55843492 this one is the only reprint of the jp card in simplified chinese for taiwan and hongkong.
Best buy I ever made. Got these before they went crazy. :)
>>55848509Very nice anon.
>>55848509How much did you pay?
>>55847105That's a pretty autistic reason, dude. For my money it should be about the art on the card rather than the text.
>>55849493£500 Lillie£300 Acerola£90 Guzma
>>55850165Not bad.
>>55849499for me, the entirety of the card is art itself. i always associate chink runes to bootlegs and subpar products, so chink cards will always look inferior to me. Japanese cards are beautiful because you associate Japanese language to superior and genuine quality.
>>55850218That mindset I can understand.
>>55848509>not graded.>NGMI have you pulled them out and checked the backs for whitening?
>>55850218Thanks for putting it in better words than me. Bootleg
>>55850687Never got around to grading them but they should be 10s.
>>55850914sure.
Is there anything lamer than pulling a full art item secret rare from a pack?
>>55851185pulling a gold/rainbow pokemon card instead of pulling an SIR/SAR.
>>55851185I actually don't mind it that much. They are cards I would never go out and buy personally, so without pulling them I'd never own them.
>>55852060I got this Hyper Rare Salemence. 9/10 hyper rare cards suck. but you can find one that just goes well with the scheme.
>>55851185Ace spec cards are pretty cool, I guess?
>>55851185I used to hate it, but I don't mind now that I play the game. It still feels like a bit of a tease, but most items at least make prime trade fodder at tourneys and at this point I consider any decent pull to be a win.
