Robot Edition>Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh>Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th Edition Rules:https://gofile<dot>io/d/9LvQTL>Previous Thread:>>92738173>Thread QuestionWhat faction needs more bipedal robots?
I know I shouldn't but I kinda want to buy this box and do an Iron Warriors army
>>92741822Gonna need some havocs but also all the preorders are already sold out anyway. Plus the possessed guys should probably be sold, use the profits to acquire havocs.
>>92741822>possessed >IWOnly if you convert the fleshy shit into cool guns.
>Tau FW suits and other models were scrapped Why though? Is GW killing FW?
>>92741828What's wrong with Possessed? I like the Possessed
>>92741822This box has literally none of the IW bread and butter units, and likely very few of them will be buffed by either applicable detachment (Fellhammer Siege-host and Soulforged Warpack)
>>92741808>TQThe Tau need two things. The first is their own equivalent of an Imperator titan. The second are the kaiju-sized Vorgh auxillaries that are in the lore but which don't have models yet.
>>92741808TQ:Squats (Old)
>>92741831Don't tell me you're one of those losers who thinks 40k Iron Warriors should just be 30k Iron Warriors with Daemon Engines?
>>92741832There always was only GW. FW? What's that
>>92741846I'm one of those losers that thinks IW should primarily have Cultists, Havocs, Obliterators, and vehicles.
>>92741837you can play Iron Warriors under any detachment
Militarum Tempestus Codex goes HARD on the grimdark, god damn.
>>92741862yeah but if you like Iron Warriors you're probably going to be inclined to pick certain units, rightjust like how no one's gonna play Night Lords with no Raptors or Word Bearers with no Possessed
>>92741835Okay I guess, but havocs and bliterators are more "iron warriorish".
Shas'vre, yuo are men now, you must choose list and paly gameWill you pick T5 crisis with some fussion gun (170pts)Or a fucking riptide (180pts)
>>92741846>don't tell me you think iron warriors should look like iron warriors instead of word beaters or thousand sons?
>>92741862What a gay edition.
>>92741874He's one of those dudes who thinks you should put some rubric marines in your night lord army with tanks, instead of jetpack guys, because otherwise you're "one of those guys who thinks night lords should always have warp talons and shit" (because they should and arguing otherwise is dumb).
>>92741842GW please, just give me a box of Imperial Votann like that bounty hunter from necromunda. I don't want an army of short space marines.
>>92741808Did somebody say robot?
>>92741842Okay, happy?
>>92741888oh no, he's retarded
>>92741868A reminder that the conformist and MIND CONTROLLED tau reward individuality and independent thought.Merit and adaptability rely on that. The Scions are just graduating morons
>>92741842
I really fucking wish I could get the second row far right head as a standalone
>>92741928Just sculpt a moustache on a random marine head, it's not super difficult with the right tools.
>>92741918Amigo you can build your guys any way you want but putting a bunch of chaos spawn and mutants and no heavy weapons in your iron warriors means you don't care about flavour you just want the bumbebee paint job. Don't act like other people are in the wrong for pointing out the obvious.
>>92741895I like Night Lords, but don't really care for jump packsAll legions and chapters do everything, they just have a tendency to have more of certain things, and it's even more pronounced with warbands in the 41st millennium, as there isn't some overarching authority keeping them together, maybe except for Word Bearers But Word Bearers are unique in that they're philosophy coincide with possessed, whereas jump packs for Night Lords is more of a secondary thing
>>92741868Sounds more like grimderp to me. That shit really breaks my immersion in the setting because it just reeks of the writer being a tryhard and going "oh man, look at this! Look at how EXTREME 40k is!!!! Isn't our setting so edgy and cool!?!?!?"
>>92741874You'll probably lean that way, but IW also have the things in that box. and anon could even take a stab at some conversions if he feels inclined. turning CSMs in to havocs or mashing some possessed together to make oblits isn't much of a stretch for a chaos player.
>>92741943>I like Night Lords, but don't really care for jump packsI genuinely don't understand thisSeems like total cognitive dissonance
>>92741944You might want to read the rest of the codex. The inflexibility only gets worse
>>92741943>they just have a tendency to have more of certain thingsWhat a lame excuse to field unfluffy lists. Bet you think salamanders having a close combat specialist detachment or blood angels having covert ops stealth operators is also totally appropriate.
>>92741943The Warp Talon models literally are designed to look like they have lightening on their amour, they are explicitly a "basically these are night lords" model. You can bring whatever but don't be like "why do people think my melee mutant heavy army doesn't look iron warrior-y".
>>92741903Ragnir Gunnstein and Grendl Grendlsen.They looked rather neat, I dont know why GW then went on to make the Votaan so wildly different.
>>92741980>I dont know why GW then went on to make the Votaan so wildly different.Because we didn't need more Imperium. Especially not Imperium lite.
>>92741903Just use the mantic heavy space armor dwarves and stick SM heads and shoulder pads on them. maybe the backpacks if they fit.
>>92741906sorry sir you have to use this model in a game that predates its in-universe invention
>>92741960Why? Their thing is torture, terror tactics, batwings, lightning motifs and piracy, and I can lean into all of these without ever touching jump packs
>>92741986But votran literally are imperium light?
>>92741986>Because we didn't need more ImperiumJealous xenos player detected.
>>92741965>>92741974Just cause you limit yourself and your creativity, doesn't mean I have toUnironically reddit mindset you retards have
>>92741980They want to import things from their other franchises.
>>92741919>put up warnings everywhere that insubordination will be met with horrible and excessive punishment>some guys are insubordinate and are punished horriblyYour take is that those that graduated are morons and not the guys that decided to fuck around and find out. Interesting.
>>92741868True. Big reason why I like Scions. This plus the fun bits like mag-assults in space. Unfortunately, the book went too big on the pyrhic victories, I think.>>92741919No. This is specifically the Schola Progenium, which make most all the recruits for the Inquisition, Sisters of Battle, Commissars, etc. There are still intelligent and heroic minds among them, and they aren't stupid people.The Schola Tempestus is specifically where Scions are made after a progena finishes his time with the Schola Progenium
>>92741874>>92741895I don't know about you guys, but I put the models I like in my toy soldiers army. I don't see why some IW warsmith couldnt decide possessed would suit his force for breaking open fortresses.And personally if I played word bearers i wouldn't play possessed, it's the Dark apostles and daemon summoning that appeal to me personally. To each their own.
>>92741996They are Cabal.
>>92741996Nay, they are xenos. They are space rhinos.
>>92742016Having a shit army that doesn't fit with the fluff isn't creative you're just being an actual contrarian.
>>92742016>put possessed and dark apostles in an IW army>"I'm being creative!"
>>92742043>n-no my IW are heckin based atheists and super strong willed and able to resist 10k years of chaos corruption
>>92741995This feels like subtle bait when the new jump pack lord was released specifically after the night lords KT because GW is aware jump pack lord fits Night Lord military doctrine.Don't be a faggot.
>>92742016if making fluffy armies is reddit then I bacon at midnight
>>92742033But anon, you're not supposed to come up with your own fluffy list, with interesting characters and personalized unit choices, you have to follow the cookbook to the letter
>>92741919They aren't graduating morons, they are graduating zealots. Scions need to be unquestioningly loyal to the Imperium because a lot of them are likely to find themselves in the service of an Inquisitor. Which means they'll be dealing with a lot of chaos and xenos shit that could corrupt them, so the Imperium needs them to be as resistant to that corruption as possible.
>>92742021My take is the end result is inferior troopers. The codex highlights how dysfunctional the scions are when it comes to conducting missions. They can't adapt or react to situations they are in.
NASA
>>92742033I never said you couldn't use possessed in an IW armyI said it's weird to make an IW army with none of their iconic units (especially since either you or someone agreeing with you is expressing a weird contrarianism complex about deliberately doing so)
>>92742048No it's>Iron Warriors worship chaos through vash'torr and heavy armament, not fellating mutantsYou dumb faggot.
>>92742048I'm surprised it took this long for this strawman to pop upnote how multiple people are mentioning using daemon engines and obliterators, two of the most chaos-exclusive units in the codex
>>92742065cope
>>92742041>"Nooo it isn't fluffy for your army to not have the thingTM!!!"
>>92741944You mean the bloodiest and cruelest regime in history does things that are distasteful? Say it isn't so!
>>92742048>if I state the truth in a dismissive tone it becomes falseHow would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?
>>92742023>There are still intelligent and heroic minds among them, and they aren't stupid people.No. I disagree. The book has a Commissar forcing guardsmen to charge a Necron phalanx with bayonets. Another story has a Commissar leading a scions team saving a noble even after it turns out she is a daemon-worshipping heretic because orders are orders.
>>92742084>retard actually thinks the iron warriors aren't chaos slutsLMAO
>>92741808
>>92742056>They can't adapt or react to situations they are in.If they can't adapt to the rules of the academy, then they get the hammer. It's not even like they get surprised with this shit.
>>92742074>loses the argument so can only post buzzwordsThere's literally nothing stopping you from putting a fat old daemon prince in your army, only that an iron warriors army benefits from the detachment and doctrine which favours heavy armament. There is no room for argument here, because GW has structured the rules specifically to favour this playstyle for iron warrior themed armies, you can choose to go with cultists, mutants and no heavy armament/tanks but it's not designed to work that way on the tabletop. You are unreasonably defensive merely from people suggesting you put some fucking havocs in the army that usually has havocs. Just say "I like the paintjob, my iron warriors will be deviants or some shit" instead of acting like Iron Mutants are totally within the norms of lore.
>>92741808>What faction needs more bipedal robots?
>>92742072In his faggoty defense he literally said at the beginning of his homoerotic argument he doesn't like IW armies which "only use daemon engines" or something.
>>92742099>There's literally nothing stopping you from putting a fat old daemon prince in your army, only that an iron warriors army benefits from the detachment and doctrine which favours heavy armament.this; that's what I was getting at with this post >>92741837
>>92741808What faction needs more quadpedal robots?
why did the primer come out so grainy?
>>92742086And another story has commissar pissed off at another commissar for using whips and public executions to drive his men into battle. And another has a commissar execute a noble officer for failing to help another regiment when requested because it was "beneath him".It's almost as if there is no unified vision of the setting among the authors and they wrote whatever the fuck they wanted for 30 years.
>>92742093Space marines if they were cool.
>>92742059The point is that you don't have to put anything specific into any CSM list for it to be fluffy, but you have the option to opt in to a warbands overarching favored unitsBut a mechanized Word Bearers list is as fluffy as an army of possessed and Dark Apostles
>>92742108daemons need a new soul grinder
>>92742059>it's weirdSo? It all comes down to different aspects of the faction appeal to different people. Why is that so difficult to grasp? A really simple example is EC. One person might love the guitar playing metal look, while another might prefer the BDSM self mutilation style, or another the perfectionist gaudy duelists angle with little to no sonic weapons. Another might like slashes, but decide to max out on sorcerers because why fucking not, another person might just really like the colors. It's really doesn't matter, it's what interests them.
>>92742108Is it technically 4 legs if it hovers from 4 corners?
>>92742109too hot or cold outsprayed too far away from modelstoo humiddidn't shake it up enoughtake your pick
>>92742121Squat tanks are something else.
>TQNone, there is plenty, and we don't need moreMaybe repurpose the Invictor to IG, makes more sense there
>>92742115okay but the difference here is that you're saying "no" to ALL of those aspects instead of "yes" to one of them
>>92742110I am talking about the stories featured in the codex. Both were in the codex which shows the author's intent of making out the commissar as retards.
>>92742122Is it something you can fix?
>>92742128Iron Warrios have possessed like any everyone else
>>92742136The quicker you try and get if off, the easier it is, but generally primer is quite difficult to remove from models
>>92742136You can strip them and start over, but you can't really fix it.
somneone in the last thread mentioned ghoul stars oubliettes, what are those?
>>92742109temperature?humidity?brand? bad batch?Literally any one or combination of the above could lead to grainy white primer.
>>92741822>>92741831>>92741837>>92741888>>92741895>read storm of iron and dead sky black sun back when they were published>iron warriors use terminators, regular marines, and possessed>read this thread>uhhh those aren't iconic IW units you can't do thatWhat the hell has happened to 40k while I was gone?
>>92742089>he thinks they areI mean, my non-shitposting headcanon is they are obviously on the side of chaos and participate in all the chaos-related activities, like torturing slaves for fun, using cultists as cannon fodder, performing chaos rituals and sacrifices. But the goals are different from just pure chaos worshipping.IW don't perform blood rituals to praise the gods and spread the blessings of chaos, they do that because they have a certain goal in mind (bringing down a fortress, summoning a daemon to fight for them, divining the best point to assault in the enemy line, etc.) and chaos magic is one of the tools they have access to.
>>92742108What about 6 legs?
>>92742138But that's not "one of their aspects" like the EC angles you just listed off>>92742159Hey, buddy, can you tell me if that book happens to also feature Havocs, Obliterators, and Daemon Engines? Can you?
>>92742159Funny thing is, I remember that like 3 years ago, the prevalent thread opinion was that "flanderization" was retarded and a reddit thingI vividly remember someone getting shit on for saying IW don't use possessed
>>92742159>look mom I replied to everyone
>>92742159>>92742059Also LOL @ using a book featuring all of the stuff we're telling him to use as an argument against using those things
>>92742186No one is telling you that you can't you whiny faggot, we're telling you that the tabletop playstyle rewards heavy armament and you're a deviant warlord if your strategy is "chaos spawn and other mutant freaks fighting close combat with little to no heavy armament". And you took that extremely personally.
brb making a salamanders army with zero flamers and you're uhhh reddit and like "flanderization" if you think that's not a great idea
>>92742128First I'm not the original guy, I haven't said no to anything. No one has said "no to everything". Some guy said he wanted to start iron warriors with this >>92741822 and immediately got told to sell models and buy other shit.Have you even bothered to ask WHY the other guy is interested in IW? You've been so laser focused on "No possessed, yes havoks" , IW how you like it that you haven't bothered to find out what aspect interests him.
>>92742186literally no one has said "don't use possessed"literally everyone has said "use possessed, but use havocs too">>92742216see abovce
>>92742219nah I know for a fact I told someone not to use any possessed
are they ever gonna make new daemons kits
>>92742184They are characterized as petty utilitarians, and are willing to make use of pretty much anything. Possessed is a weapon to be wielded, and sure, it's unlikely they're venerated like in WB, but IW very much so have possessedThey are also often shown favoring melee combat, they even have a large amount of Khorne Berserkers
>>92742234Lol no
>>92742184Two of the angles I listed for EC were "they have sorcerers" and "they are pink". That's not any more specific than "they have possessed" and "they have hazard stripes"
>>92742236okay but are you going to buy havocs and obliterators or a warpsmith or two
>>92742212Please tell me it's because they all do melee with heated blades.
>>92742219>>92742207Nah, there are multiple posts itt that say possessed are unfluffy, and if that wasn't the intended message, then get better at communicating
>>92742245I can't control what other people say
What would be a good "growing up" moment for the Tau, to show them off as a big boy major faction that actually needs to be taken seriously by the Imperium?
>>92742251>tau>big boy major faction
>>92742242Me? NTA, I don't collect space marines of any kind anymore, the "fans" are way too autistic about "muh fluffy list"
So, everyone will just keep buying gw stuff despite the price increase and recent pandering?Genuine question, too pessimistic about 40k and GW, even for GW standards
>>92742258Hey, as a Necron player, I'll have you know that I refuse to field Triarch units alongside Flayed Ones and DestroyersAutistic xenos players exist too
>>92742258You don't own and have never owned a single model.
>>92742249>92742219>literally no one has said "don't use possessed"
>>92742245They are unfluffy, I'm not changing my opinion to suit your tastes, be less of an actual autistic person who can't stand that people think "melee mutants" is not the defining archetype of the "autistic meat grinder with heavy guns" army.
>>92742244No, I do it with fire hammers only.
>>92742266Nowadays I pretty much only buy bundle boxes or stuff on sale at LGSs
>>92742266I mean, the people who left due to the custard retcon are probably pretty smug right now.
>>92742266they raise the prices every year, people have long since stopped caringbut you wouldn't know, tourist
>>92742251why, my peanus weenus of course :)hahah! :Dit's my weeeeeenus peanus! :) hahahgrowing up moment for tau - my answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :Dhahah!
>>92742219>literally everyone has said "use possessed, but use havocs too"The very first reply told him to sell the possessed, and the second said the box hand nothing for IW.Also good job avoiding what I actually said here >>92742216
>>92742281But the smug ones are those enjoying cuckstodes asspains.
>>92742271Hey you know what? Don't use havocs, only use possessed. There you go buddy, there's your carte blanche approval from "internet people", go zap to the extreme, Chris-chan!
>>92742251Kauyon and Mont'ka proved to the Imperium that they can never underestimate the T'au.
>>92742273>I'm not changing my opinion to suit your tastesNo one gives a fuck about your opinion
>>92742289>, and the second said the box hand nothing for IW.I said it has little that would likely be buffed by either IW-adjacent detachment, and I'll probably be right.
>>92742298You seem to care a whole lot.
Rolled 1 (1d6)>>92742287>>92742251Rolling for number of attacks my penis will do against the tau. 4+ and I get [DEVASTATING PENIS WENIS] for my next roll.
>>92742268Yeah me too anon, but we xenos players don't get up in others people asses about personal army composition
Rolled 2 (1d6)>>92742308>>92742287>>927422513+ and a tau woman gets impregnated
>>92742308>>92742316You should see a doctor about that.
>>92742316did they just re add the rolling feature? havent seen it in years
>>92742294You really are a retard if you think any of this has to do with "approval"
Rolled 6 (1d6)>>92742316>>92742308>>92742287>>92742251Command Reroll
>Guys, I'm running a Possessed. He also got to be a psyker when nobody among his people are psykers. He also started using a Power Scythe because he got bored of swords. He doesn't like virus bombing though.
>>92742329This is me btw
>>92741885Wait what the fuck. Do Riptides really cost only +10 pts over melta crisis suits :(((
>>92742305Right, in other words, not saying to use the posssessed. There's nothing wrong with talking about detachments and buffs, but let's not retroactively pretend that anyone that replied was saying to use the possessed like >>92742219 claimed.
>>92742339erebus would never be able to match the appeal of Kinos
>>92742306Im not even the guy you replied to. I'm just tired of you shitting up the thread with your autism.
>>92742325It has everything to do with internet approval, because the IW doctrine favours siege tactics and heavy armament and no amount of screaming that your guys are special ones who use mutants and cultists will change that. The fact that you can't let it go, despite claiming you're not even the initial poster, indicates you are severely autistic.
Let him hack. Let him give enemy guns Gets Hot. Let him make enemy vehicles attack friendly units.
>>92741808>TQThe Drukhari have none in the game, even if they do in the lore
>>92742151Ghoul Stars are a region of space which the Astronomicon can't reach or is repelled. I think there is a Raven Guard chapter somewhere in there with an 'Onyx Throne' that acts as a kind of local beacon. The area is filled with a bunch of nasty shit, including some world where Flayed Ones just hang out and chill.Oubliette is a type of prison. No doubt there is something locked away there. I don't have the specific reference anon posted.
Do xenosfags ever get super autistic about what units their army is allowed to bring or is that just a Chaos/ Imperium thing?
>>92741808Will Tau eventually miniaturize their mechs?
>>92742383It's baked into the Ynnari rules that you can't take Haemonculus Coven units with them
>>92742366Nice projection retard Do whatever you want to do anon, but don't go telling other anons they can't use unit entries from their armyThis is the last (you)
>>92742396Buy havocs.
>>92742366By 40k, lots of Warbands have diverged massively from their original Legions.
>>92742383On top of my head I'm only aware of Iyanden autism, with regards to someone fielding fewer wraith units, and jetbikes in Saim-HannBut it's nowhere near the hostility as with IoM/Chaos, mostly just a "hmm that's kinda odd, but cool army nonetheless"
>>92742383I've only ever seen this level of autism with regards to Iron Warriors specifically.
>>92742082I wish it was the bloodiest and most cruel were the enemies, not the government :(
>>92742366> no amount of screaming that your guys are special onesIsn't you that's doing that by making such a big deal out of this?
Does guilliman love yvraines eldussyShe must be totally slamming to keep his attention
>>92742411Anon don't bring up actual lore, we're going by headcanon here; >"le epic shovel!">"Did you know if orks believe a stick is a gun, bullets will magically appear?!"
>>92742426To be fair though I've never seen a poster be like "I wanna play Night Lords but I REFUSE to use jump packs!!"It's actually kind of warranted this time
>>92742383No one gives a shit, only imperial fags have this level of autism.
>>92742418But have you ever met a Saim-hann player who hates the idea of using jetbikes?
>>92742453>"Eh, jump packs aren't really my thing">"You clearly REFUSE!!! See how this anon REFUSES to use jump packs!!!"You should really up your reading comprehension, for an autist, you sure are reading into things a lot
>>92742392Stealthsuits are already pretty small, pretty much just power armor really.
>>92742470Anon, other people are able to read the posts as well, misconstruing what has been said doesn't work
>>92742418I think a big part of it is that IoM and chaos subs factions have had rules in the past that restricted what they could use as a (lazy) way to distinguish them. Newer rules use buffs to incentivise certain play styles but ultimately leave it open, but some people still insist sticking to those old restrictions.Personally if a unit can be legally taken, then it's fluffy enough imo even if it isn't optimal competitively speaking.
Hey I'm the guy who made the original Iron Warriors post. I like that box set because it's all Marines and it's very elite. I really like CSM Terminators and would want to run a lot of them. I like the Possessed but wouldn't want to run more than one or two units of them because the repeated sculpts would annoy me.I like Havocs but the stupid loadout rules where you can't have every guy in a squad with the same weapon irritates my autismI really like Obliterators but the repeated sculpt problem is way worse for them.My Iron Warriors list would be very heavy on Terminators, Daemon Engines, and Land RaidersBut I do find it very annoying when people act like Iron Warriors in 40k aren't really Chaos. They are absolutely Chaos, they've been Chaos for ten millennia. They've got spikey trim and shit just as much as everyone else.
>>92742484>>92742016
>>92742494>But I do find it very annoying when people act like Iron Warriors in 40k aren't really Chaos.NO ONE DID YOU STRAWMANNING FUCKING CRETINYOU FUCKING NEANDERTHALS ALWAYS PULL THIS WHEN LITERALLY NO ONE IS SAYING IT
>>92742093I think we'd sooner have humans in big exoskeletons than have genetically enhanced humans (they wouldn't be bulletproof).Though drones with explosives, machine guns and face recognition ai are already here, and they make all those other things pointless
>>92741808>No /fourk/ thread>No /grog/ threadGuess I'm stuck here, huh?
>>92742494re: possessed sculpts, they have enough parts that you can have a full squad of ten look nothing alike. each body has two different arms, all the heads and backpacks are interchangeable. wouldn't worry too much about them looking the same.
>>92742501
Am I the only one irked by how tau makes you use high tech weeb shit and primal savages at the same timeIdeally they would be split off into separate armies.
>>92742494How the fuck is saying "use obliterators" "acting like Iron Warriors aren't Chaos"????????????? Why do people always complain about this phenomenon that I never see actually happen?
>>92742505>fourkJust run 4th edition, find the 4th edition srd and run that , one one page rules. Don't let someone with shit for brains, a name fag and dumb as fuck design skills design 'da replacement' because he screeches autistic ally otherwise.
>>92742453But that's the exact opposite of what we are talking about. The autism would be someone else insisting he MUST use jump packs. I like jump packs, but I can see the appeal of night lords without them and its never been their sole feature. In fact blod angels are even more jump pack focused yet often have lists without them.
>>92742378Looks like he's got bagpipes
>>92742494Sounds like a fun project anon, go for it! Terminators are a really fun kit to build, but I recommend planning how to paint all that trim, I personally got burnt out cause of it
>>92742528>The autism would be someone else insisting he MUST use jump packs.If you don't like jump packs, why would you play Night Lords?>In fact blod angels are even more jump pack focused yet often have lists without them.That's fucking weird; I would never make a Blood Angels army with no jump packs.
>>92742505You must have forgot to make them when you were in the nuthouse.
>>92742522are you seriously telling me you've never seen a 40k Iron Warriors army built with mostly Horus Heresy models?
>>92742543I've never seen a poster here post their army like that, no. Maybe I've seen someone post something that isn't their army as bait.
>>92742411Now that you mention it, "Alpharius" sounds like a black name
>>92742453No one has refused anything anon. It's all in your head.
>>92742549What the fuck was this whole thread, then? What was with the "reddit" and "flanderization" shit earlier?
>>92742537The trim is dead easy if you basecoat with Leadbelcher, one quick coat of Contrast will produce really good lucking dark gold or bronze trim
>>92742505both of those were threads started by me to flood the board
>>92742546there is literally a thread regular that occasionally posts his full 30k IW army.
>>92742539>If you don't like jump packs, why would you play Night Lords?Cause NL are more than jump packs? Might not be to you, and I distinctly get the feeling you have a difficult time at imagining different viewpoints and how stuff appeals differently to people
>>92742554What? No. You basecoat with the trim color when painting CSM.>>92742562That guy has Venomcrawlers, no?
>>92742539>why would you play Night Lords?The terror aspect, the lore, the aesthetics, batman.>That's fucking weirdNot really, but perhaps it's because I remember the days mass jumppacks wasnt even a thing in blood angels.
post models>>92742565everyone into chaos pretty much has their own method for painting trim anon, no solution is the "best" only "best for them".
>>92742553The insistence that you MUST use specific units, otherwise you're being unfluffy, just like >>92742528 said
>>92742513I don't respect Kroot because they're basically naked. They haven't evolved some biological armour that protects them against the void and hazardous elements like Tyranid chitin does.They're just naked.Literally halo jackals. I would respect them if they were Elites and had the decency of at least wear a hat.
>>92742539I've got a bunch of Blood Angels from Space Hulk. I fleshed out the rest of the 'army' with more Terminators and marineslop from other boxes.
>>92742503A problem is the human operator though. One problem many tank makers found is they can make things durable enough to survive a blast but the crew might still die. Not sure how they'd fix that.
>>92742553IW autists struggling to understand why someone wants to use a unit in their codex instead of selling it for another.
>>92742539>I would never make a Blood Angels army with no jump packsThe you have more soul than GW. Not a high bar to clear, though>>92742563They are the Raptor Legion though :^^^)
>>92742539To me, Blood Angels are a terminator, dreadnought and fast tanks army
>>92742590Kroot wish they were as deadly as a Halo 2 Legendary Jackal Sniper.
>>92742575>>92742584But historically the Night Lords rules incentivize you to use jump pack units by having stuff like buffed charges for them and relics exclusive to jump lords. It just doesn't make sense to pick the legion that's big on jump packs if you hate them.Wait, wait wait wait wait wait. Isn't this the fucking opposite of the problem people have with Iron Warrior players? Isn't the complaint usually "why aren't Iron Warriors players using chaos-exclusive units"? Now, it's bad to want IW armies to have daemon engines and obliterators?
>>92742601>They are the Raptor Legion though :^^^)If that's what you like anon, then go ahead
>>92742601>Primaris Death Watch Intercessors>Just regular Intercessors with a nameI will never forgive James for taking one of the coolest squads in Blood Angels and turning them into fucking ultramarines.
>>92742539>If you don't like jump packs, why would you play Night Lords?for the paint scheme, numbnut
>>92742609Could a space marine hope to survive a jackal sniper beam to the toe?
>>92742621umm darling any chapter can use any units they want and you're being very autistic for thinking that units should be thematic
>>92742622Do people really pick armies for such a shallow and singular reason? They don't, like, become enamoured with the fluff and thematics of the subfaction and then get into painting them?
>starts mentioning kids after the second date wwyd?
>>92742621>death watchAnon, it's a death company squad.
>>92742628So I can run my thunderwolf cavalry with their weapon options as White Scars? Fucking sweet!
>>92742411This book was so stupid. Alpha Legion does everything except be Alpha Legion. No elaborate plans, and everything takes them by surprise because apparently information is just not their specialty anymore. Brooks did this shit with the Primarch books too, it’s like he looked at a lore youtuber video instead of doing any research of his own.
okay but can we all agree that it's verboten to paint Knights like chapters/legions
>>92742614>Night Lords rules incentivize you to use jump pack units by having stuff like buffed charges for them and relics exclusive to jump lordsSo? Are you WAACfag?>Isn't this the fucking opposite of the problem people have with Iron Warrior players?Nah, it's the exact same thing, you don't understand that you don't HAVE to include specific units in a an army within a factionIf that's how you prefer to build and think about your minis, then go ahead, but noone else is obliged to follow your headcanon
>>92741808Tau could use XV4 suits, and maybe some Auxiliary suits.
>>92742639My apologies. I always confuse Death Watch and Death Company together because of that naming convention. Imagine talking to a new fan of warhammer and having to say Death Company, Death Watch, and Death Guard in the same sentence.
>>92742637>Do people really pick [miniatures you have to paint] for the paint schemeyes, you double numbnutthe looks come first, the fluff is secondary you're a secondary
>>92742650>If that's how you prefer to build and think about your minis, then go ahead, but noone else is obliged to follow your headcanonno one is forcing anyone to do anything you fucking nitwitpeople gave advice to someone fishing for it (yes, blogging about your future purchases is silently asking for advice) and then spergs snapped at them for daring to suggest that fluffy units exist
>>92742649no. /myguys/ grabbed a cache of equipment hidden away in an asteroid field from the days of the Heresy and repainted it.>>92742637I mean I agree with you but everyone is different anon. let people enjoy the hobby however they want.
>>92742605For me, it's librarian and furioso dreads.>>92742614> It just doesn't make sense to pick the legion that's big on jump packs if you hate them.I just gave you reasons that make sense. A good friend of mine even built a night lords list with no jump packs for the reasons I gave.Believe or not, but many people buy models they think look cool and want to paint and don't give a fuck about what's competitively optimal. The rules fluctuate, your models are permanent.
>>92742649KILL those who paint knights in m*rine colors
>>92742649Yes, whoever paints everything in their army in the same exact monotonous scheme is a smoothbrained retard.
>>92742597>Not sure how they'd fix that.By using cost effectiveness. If you could make a metal suit that needed an antitank rifle to be breached, but it didn't cost as much as a whole tank, then you might have something.It'd be an evolution to bulletproof vests rather than an offshoot of the tank, and the metric is $$$
>>92742665I never said anything about competitiveness. If I buy daemon engines because I want to use Vashtorr, and his dogshit awful rules exist to buff daemon engines, are you really gonna call that WAACfagging?>The rules fluctuate, your models are permanent.And the fluff?
>>92742637The entire point of 40k as a setting is that you can warp the fluff to fit your little force. That's the appeal of 40k as a whole.
>>92742597clearly the solution is necromancy
>>92742649not sure I get what you mean. knights in an army are mostly all going to be painted in house or forgeworld colors. not that different from how marines are legion or chapter. that's generally the premise of why they're fighting together.
>>92742663>>92742673Resident smoothbrain itt
>>92742680>>92742664So you would be using this argument to defend a hypothetical Iron Warriors player who used only 30k models (NOTE: I don't do this; I'm using it as an example of the worst possible thing to do without going fantastical)?
>>92742663>yes, blogging about your future purchases is silently asking for adviceYou sound like the kind of guy that often gives unsolicited advice.
>>92742628>you're being very autistic for thinking that units should be thematicI mean, this IS 40kg
>>92742689>DefendNo, I don't "defend" people's hobby choices, but I'd clown on someone trying to shame them
>>92742685People absolutely do it.
>>92742628By that logic I'll run non-primaris models for my army with thunder hammers and lightning claws. Screw this shrimplification, it has killed any nuance and fun there was to making armies cool and thematic.
>>92742643>Brooks did this shit with the Primarch booksWhich primarch books did he write?
>>92742704>but I'd clown on someone trying to shame themWell? Go ahead and clown, then: >>92741846
>>92742656Over my dead Deathwing body>>92742663Peer pressure :^)
>>92742614it's a bit of a stretch. night lords aren't even the main jump-pack-happy legion; that title would probably go to raven guard or blood angels. NLs aren't even from a planet where air-assualt is a thing. their main deal is sneaking around in the shadows and stabbing people in the nuts while they're sleeping. their most in-theme units would be shit like scouts and recon squads, or despoilers with silenced bolt pistols and edgelord knives.
>>92742689Shrug, its up to them. Another personal example, I have this guy I run as a Chaos Lord. His fluff is that he was a Berzerker and the Imperium unleashed a virus bomb on the battlefield, dying, desperate to continue raging on, he prayed not just to Khorne but to all the Gods and Nurgle answered, saving him and taking the virus into himself to use as a poison against his foes.
I remembered Annihilation Legion and got angry again
>>92742699I've gotten used to /hhg/ for the past two years, but now that I'm back on Eldar I have no other options than 40kgI miss the reasonable people, even the schizos in /hhg/ are a lot more reasonable. Also the anon insisting you MUST field specific units, would get clowned on in there
>>92742565>What? No. You basecoat with the trim color when painting CSM.Not if you're doing Iron Warriors. If you're doing Iron Warriors you basecoat in the armor color and then do contrast over the trim. It's super easy and looks great.
>>92742723>their most in-theme units would be shit like scouts and recon squads, or despoilers with silenced bolt pistols and edgelord knives.Do you know what game we're talking about right now?
>>92742673>I never said anything about competitivenessAll you talked about here >>92742614 was rules on the tabletop.>and the fluff?Doesn't say anything about always using X unit.
>>92742605Honestly it’s usually this or jump pack focused lists for me. Used to be more sanguinary guard and death company, but these days I prefer the point cheapness of regular jump pack assault marines. SG just aren’t that great in 10th, while DC marines feel too overused. Between the +2S army buff and a sanguinary priest, a ten man assault squad with nothing more than chainswords actually fucks more than you’d think.
>>92742723It is as you say. Problem is, both those jump pack legions are loyalists. So who are left to be the Chaos Raptor Legion?Night Lords.
>>92742732>the anonIt's not just me; I'm just the only one who didn't stop responding. Don't be dishonest and try to go for an argumentum ad populum.>>92742740Rules =/= WAACfagging. Address my Vashtorr example, won't you?
>>92742733Got an example pic?
>>92742723The raptor kit is literally designed to be easily painted in NL colors.
>>92742765C'mon dude what does that even mean?
>>92742753
>>92742772It has fucking lightning bolts sculpted on.
>>92742732I'm actually from HHG! Bunch of niggas have to be told that all legions did everything lmao.>I'm back on EldarBro oof. They seemed interesting (i.e. complex) when they released those Exafch Powers during the Psychic Awakening in late 8th.Why be Eldar now?
>>92742765>Literally designed for Night Lords BlueTM and Retributor GoldTM
>>92742689Literally don't care. They even have a lazy fluff justification with warpfuckery. >>92742718That post you linked is clowning on someone trying to dictate how possessed in someone else's IW should be..
>>92742740Using the rules that fit your models isn't WAAC; it's just not being retarded. Really, dude?
>>92742710Lion and Alpharius. Not only were they mary sue as fuck, they read like he did his research through wiki and reddit pages. None of the character nuance was there, just surface level impressions.
>>92742707oh like literally an ultramarine driving a knight?yeah that's a little odd. I suppose you could paint tau and crons in UM heraldry too if you want.
The funniest thing about this is that I don't even play Iron Warriors — I have a homebrew warband with no actual marines in it besides a DP and a Lord Discordant.>>92742783>That post you linked is clowning on someone trying to dictate how possessed in someone else's IW should be..And it's doing that by suggesting that a 30k-model-heavy IW army is wrong, ergo you should logically take umbrage with it.
>>92742789I think its usually more Knights that have sworn themselves to serve alongside a chapter of marines anon.
>>92742781>I'm actually from HHG!I thought it was shitshow, but damn it has nothing on 40kg, what do you collect anon?>Why be Eldar now?I really love the bright colors and their tanks, currently painting a corsair team with each member in distinct colors
>>92742753>Address my Vashtorr example, won't you?Sure, when you bother to address all the other reasons people have given you to play night lords without jump packs or other unorthodox decisions first.
>>92742802oh my god you are not about to defend this shit
>>92742788>and AlphariusNoooooo! But I want Alpha Legion action! I know what attrition and brute force and tactical espionage action look like.Now I want to see what the Alpha Legion does. What secrets and lies look like.I'm certain they can't just be "RG but without jump packs or claws or night vision or Moritats or Deliverers"
>>92742782I have both of these paints :)
>>92742751iron warriors?people get way too hung up on this shit. at the scale of 40k (ie tiny) you can justify any skew pretty easily since you're only putting like 1% of a warband or chapter's actual forces on the table. force dispositions this small don't need to be representative of the army overall.
>>92742807It just doesn't make sense to me. It would be like playing World Eaters (pre-9th) without Berzerkers.
>>92742805DG but I'm Alphacurious
>>92742808look, he was a good marine, they wanted to put him in a boxnaught, but they didn't have any just a bunch of baby carriers. you're not gonna put a good marine in one of those shits, but they had this wrecked knight, so they fixed it up and now he's just an unusually large venerable dred.
>>92742707I could see them wearing chapter-related iconography, but knights would never paint themselves after a chapter. Also gets a bit boring to see nothing but the same color all the time, so why wouldn’t you take the chance to paint something different?
>>92742795>And it's doing that by suggesting that a 30k-model-heavy IW army is wrongThe post is suggesting that having a narrow definition of what IWs should be is wrong. So no, I don't take umbrage with clowning on that narrow definition at all.
>>92742802It would be vastly more tasteful to just have one of the Knights Shoulder pads or whatever painted in the chapter colors if you really insist on going down that route.
>>92742366>that your guys are special ones who use mutants and cultists will change thatLiterally all the 40k iron warrior books have them commanding large armies of mutants and cultists as cannon fodder for digging trenches and wasting the ammo of defenders. There is nothing special about it.
>>92742411Alpha Legion were cooler when their fluff was just "they're good at misdirection and planning ahead and sow cult uprisings before invading"The insane troll logic "Teehee I'm so tricksy I even fool myself!! We're secretly loyal... OR ARE WE???" shit made them look retarded
>>92742819Got a pic? And how do you feel about the "new" mk3? I remember they caused quite a stir
This kind of thread always reminds me that I've been waiting a literal decade for them to make plastic Mark 2 so that I can convert Iron WarriorsMake it stop
>>92742818Have you actually read any lore/fluff, beyond wikis and youtube videos? Like a codex? Campaign book? Even BL?
It was kinda funny to see Guilliman acknowledge the fact that the Imperium will never shut up about how great it is even as it's losing in the most recent teaser.
>>92742843Every single chaos army uses mutants and cultists, genius, the point is that no one is playing fucking thousand sons for their cultists because you have a handful of guys on the tabletop and cannot represent "a million cultists used as fodder in Honsou's plan to buttfuck the Imperial Fists hiding out on planet Autistic Internet Argument IV"
>>92742863So does the fluff fucking matter or not? Can I use "fluff" as an argument, or not?
>>92742786That's not at all what we are talking about. If I buy a bunch of csm, dreads and tanks because I like them, and I paint them up as nightlords because I like their terror themed lore and aesthetics, should I be using nightlords rules because that's what they are, or should I use some other legion rules so I'm not being "retarded" despite being modeled and painted as night lords?
>>92742859You vill use zee cultists, it is loreful that they use cultists and daemons, you vill not convert fluffy-looking iron warriors. That is autistic and probably racist.
>>92742880>If I buy a bunch of csm, dreads and tanks because I like them, and I paint them up as nightlords because I like their terror themed lore and aesthetics, should I be using nightlords rules because that's what they are, or should I use some other legion rules so I'm not being "retarded" despite being modeled and painted as night lords?Well, considering that we don't have "Night Lords" rules anymore, I would indeed call you retarded if you ran that army as Dread Talons.
>>92742872>and cannot represent "a million cultists used as fodderWhy not? He can literally buy cultist models and play them on the table
>>92742809Shroud of Night by Andy Clark is actually decent. Alpha Legion warband from the time of the Scouring got trapped on a timeless planet and slowly whittled away down to one squad. They take a mission from some EC to get off the planet and end up infiltrating an Imperial planet right as a Khornate invasion hits. The AL more or less function as the straight man, with their professionalism setting them apart from all the craziness around them.It’s a wonder why they choose to give Brooks an AL story when Clark already delivered something worthwhile. It even leaves room for a sequel, but we got Harrowmaster instead.
>>92742883It's hard being autistic, y'know? It's really hard to explain how Mark 2 is actually more fitting for IW than Mark 3 and to bring up every instance of them being officially depicted in 2...
>>92742883IW cultists can be based af tho.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlCtbJ_8kxM
>>92742845It's really went down hill with Legion and reconning Alpharius to be two people.
>>92742873You can make whatever retarded list you want, no one has ever cared. The point is that when someone says "I want to play army people think of for -thing-" people will suggest you do -thing-, not that you will throw a fucking fit screaming you want to do -different thing- like people are holding a gun to your head screaming "BUY THE FUCKING -thing-".
>>92742873Of course! But only if you're correct, and you aren't. Maybe if you did know what the fluff is, then you could very easily use it as an argument, you know, like basic literature analysis you get taught in school.
>iron warriors 20 years ago>check out all these cool robot arms I put on my chaos lord. He uses a jump pack so he can jump onto fortress walls and kill guys>iron warriors today>IS THAT A MODEL OTHER THAN A MK3 MARINE AAAAAA IM GOING INSANE HELP ME PERTURABO ONLY NIGHT LORDS CAN USE JUMP PACKS
>>92742892There is no ruleset where you can field 1 million cultists and with GW's prices you'd have to be very rich to acquire that many.
>>92742873>So does the fluff fucking matter or not?No, never.
>>92742914It represents a small snapshot of the battle. There are more cultists offscreen.
>>92742913>one anon says he wants iron warriors to look a specific way>you are mad about this
>>92742904I'm on your side, genius.>>92742913You're getting confused. I'm the guy saying NL should have jump packs, and I am firmly on the "IW must not use unmodified mk3 models" side.
>>92742913literally not a single soul ITT has said only night lords can use jump packs wtf are you on
>>92742845Tbf the double crossing loyalty thing has been around for ages. Biggest issue is that they never did anything with it, though the HH novels do make it clear that it was Alpharius’ own fuck up that they ended up as they did in 40k. By issuing so many conflicting sleeper agent codes, the Alpha Legion went full schizo.>>92742850Nta but the helmets are the most glaringly obvious issue that can be replaced relatively easily. People also complain about monopose models, but I just don’t have the energy to care about that anymore.
>>92742872a lot of the legions (both CSM remnants and loyalist successors) work better in epic for that reason. their shit only really comes in to focus in large scale. a squad of IW is just a squad of CSM in iron warrior colors. I cant put a company of basilisks and a trio of daemon cannons and an ordinatus in my 40k IW army.that's a total contrast to most of the chapters and warbands that were written for 40k explicitly, since usually the thing that makes them special matters more at squad-level.
>>92742885You're missing the point. If I buy models I like and paint them up how I like, what rules should I use? Do you think someone that's modeled and painted their faction as X should use X rules, or instead use Y rules if Y is more optimal? Which one is "WAAC" or "retarded" according to you?
>>92742907>But only if you're correct, and you aren't.
>>92742961>Tend to
>>92742894I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Aren’t IW usually depicted wearing mkIII? If anything, I usually see mkII armor representing White Scars.
>>92742960>If I buy models I like and paint them up how I like, what rules should I use?The ones conducive to an enjoyable play experience.>Do you think someone that's modeled and painted their faction as X should use X rules, or instead use Y rules if Y is more optimal? The ones conducive to an enjoyable play experience.
>Humanity underestimates threat>Gets defeated>But luckily they didn't need those planets anywaysIs this a form of HFY?
>>92742949Anon he's being facetious. I think you might genuinely have aspergers.
All this talk about what's allowed is nice and all, but which chaos marine warbands better represent cumming in their foes? Are there cummer marines? Cumtists?>Muh slaaneshThose are Noise Marines, not Cummarines.
>>92742968I'm not joking. And now you're gonna make me fucking make a GIMP collage with this post. Damn you to Hell.>>92742974There's no such thing as "Aspergers". It's not in the DSM-V. It's just Autism Spectrum Disorder. Trust me, I know this.
>>92742082And that premise is exactly why old 40k was ridiculous to the point it was hard to get invested in. The current lore is better in that it still depicts the Imperium as cruel and dark, but not to such a retarded degree that it destroys all suspension of disbelief.
>>92742961What pattern of jump pack is the double barrel looking style? Has the fluff ever elaborated on the differences in performance between different jump packs?
>>92742968MK3 is more of a community thing, as plastic MK3 and MK4 were the first ones to be available, and MK3 is the closest to MK2 and it makes sense they would be a legion to prefer MK3, and then it just kinda stuck in the gestalt But yeah, IW are usually depicted in MK2 and MK4 actually
>>92742108>>92742168I want a Heavy Sentinel. A real heavy one not the slightly chonky one Solar Auxillia just got.
>>92742988its from the mkiv era and it's just older tech
>>92742951>but I just don’t have the energy to care about that anymore.Same anon, same
>>92742817IW don't fly. Goes against the autism
>>92742982>but not to such a retarded degree that it destroys all suspension of disbelief.The idea of a 10,000 year old empire like the Imperium inherently requires suspension of disbelief, you might as well make it fun.
>>92742993The jets are actually associated with MK2, MK4 is the big middle thruster like on Sang Guard
>>92742850Nah I'm still new. Also am looking for stuff I could use in both systems, and 40k DG is such a shadow of their 30k selves
>>92743000Yes, but suspension of disbelief has its limits. And the way the Imperium used to be portrayed blew right past those limits. Thankfully, GW has reigned that in with modern 40k
>>92743015>Yes, but suspension of disbelief has its limits.No it doesn't, that's why it's suspension of disbelief, you're choosing to believe something you know would be impossible IRL for the fun of it.
>>92743011I wouldn't recommend the "both system" army, it ruined all fun I had with the army, and made be give up on the project completely. I do still have an almost finished IW Leviathan from that army, but everything else has been repainted
>>92742845For real what I want to know is how do AL diverge from RG. Both infiltrate and sneak around, both snipe people.And I mean AL, not "AL and their mortal auxilia".
>>92743009The single engines are the phaeton pattern jump packs, but dual engines have had a number of variations until it settled on the Mars pattern. But I’m not sure if anything like max thrust or speed has ever been established.
>>92742972How about you stop being a weasel and give a proper answer. Specifically what you meant by >>92742786>Using the rules that fit your modelsIf I have a night lords force with out jump packs for one or more of the reasons stated here >>92742575, what rules should use to "not be a retard" in your eyes? What rules fit the models (as already painted as night lords)?
>>92741944>Sounds more like grimderp to me.This literally happens in real life in real militaries, just not as flashy
>>92743026But isn't the mortal auxilia what differentiates them? Their unique brand of organizing and making use of mortals?
Just read the Kin activities in the pariah Nexus.It's summed up as this. Wait for the Imperium to get distracted or weaken and then fuck them up the ass.Truly the Leagues of Votann are the Imperium's greatest allies.
>>92743024>something you know would be impossible IRL for the fun of it.What is impossible about a military killing insubordinate recruits or displaying corpses?
>>92742980>>92742968Bastard...>>92743026The mortal auxilia are a pretty important aspect of the AL. They used to be *the* cultist subfaction.
>>92743024Your statement is proven wrong by the fact that towards the end of of 7th edition, even hardcore 40k players were openly mocking the setting for being grimderp. Hell, it's 40k players themselves that came up with the term grimderp.
>>92742990see if you can get some of those old DUST walkers 2nd hand and dress them up with 40k bits and heraldry.
>>92743039The idea of a government such as the Imperium surviving for 10,000 is impossible.
>>92743031I think that you should use the rules which fit your model selection the best. If you have one daemon engine and fifty raptors, I do think you should maybe pick the rules set that interacts with the raptors over the one that interacts with the daemon engine, even if the hypothetical daemon engine one might be way more powerful.
>>92743052We're talking about the scions fluff where they kill people who are resistant to indoctrination. That isn't grimderp.
>>92743052Not when you have people that live for 1000+ years and realize the "imperium" is more of an infrastructure than a single unchanging government. It's the core of that infrastructure and the religion that's lasted that long.
>>92743073Really the Imperium behaves more like an infestation than a true empire.
>>92742968The "IW wear MkIII" thing literally came from fans being stupid. It's because II and III look similar, and III has "Iron" in the name (even though it's more often shown associated with Iron Hands).
>>92743026Arguably AL set themselves apart by focusing on utilizing mortal auxila. In fact they’re noted as being one of the legions along with Ultramarines and Imperial Fists who actually preferred training their own auxila over relying on the Imperium standard.But to answer your question, outside of the stealth game, AL are more about setting things up for long term effects that can be continued even without their presence. They once graffitied the caves of a SM recruitment world with hypno-indoctrinating glyphs, which eventually turned the majority of the chapter into sleeper agents.
>>92743043I appreciate the chart and respect your dedication to getting the details right.
what kit are the trunks on these guys from? I know the heads are blight drones - where do i get the proboscis?
>>92743109Plague drones. It's actually considered a weapon option for the rot flies.
Rolled 6, 6 = 12 (2d6)>>92742973I roll for the amount of thrusts my penis does to her.
>>92743057I'll asked the question one more time more directly, and hopefully you can give a more plain answer.Should I use rules based how I painted my models (if they have rules), or what is more competive? One is WAAC, the other isn't. How "evil" you consider that is up to you, but no amount of mental gymnastics makes using rules from X factions for Y (painted) models not WAAC in some respect.
>>92743114>It's actually considered a weapon option for the rot flies.Nevermind; they removed that in 10th. Whoops!
Rolled 2, 6, 6, 2, 1, 1, 1, 5, 5, 3, 3, 6 = 41 (12d6)>>92742973>>92743123Rolling to cum inside. 5+ and the priest gets pregnant.>B-but muh weakness in fleshGood. Get Plapped
>>92743124>Should I use rules based how I painted my models (if they have rules), or what is more competive?This is a false dilemma fallacy, because those are not the only two options. I just outlined a hypothetical example of picking a competitively worse option because it would likely prove more interactive and enjoyable. Locking rules to paint schemes is just nonsensical, and it's not even a factor in 10th, ergo is it irrevelant.
>>92743043Oh hey, I turned that Warsmith into my DG siege breaker. Something satisfying about old pewter models.
>>92742989>MK3 is the closest to MK2because it's literally just MK2 with more plates slapped on the front and a different helmet
>>92743173and it's uglier for it
>>92743026They aren't really like the RG much. The RG are guerrilla warfare, the AL are much more about espionage and sabotaging outside the battlefield. Unfortunately what defines the AL doesn't translate to the tabletop particularly well.
>>92743181wrong
>>92743187the monoeye helmet is just better
>>92743156>This is a false dilemma fallacyNo. We were talking about night lords, it was entire point of this discussion were >>92742614 only discussed rules with regards to nightlords and not comprehending that someone might play a force without the optimal units. Your hypothetically was irrelevant to that discussion.>Locking rules to paint schemes is just nonsensicalPainting your models as X factions and using then using them as Y faction has always been considered WAAC, regardless of how enjoyable it is. I don't think someone is "retarded" for using the rules that match how their models are painted.
>>92743250>Painting your models as X factions and using then using them as Y faction has always been considered WAAC,I don't agree with that sentiment, because it is retarded.
>>92743261Actively misrepresenting your minis is probably one of the oldest waac habits. You don't say your squad of bikers is actually artillery, and you don't say your germans are actually hussite warriors, and you don't say your white scars are actually iron hands just because their rules are stronger.
>>92742989>>92743173This will be your new new Legion of the Damned.
>>92741808Add this second hash to next OP4389578dc1d3fa21ae860158d7aa621181f485a1It's the one with all the WDs
>>92743261No anon, you are the retard. That has been considered WAAC for decades. Just because something is considered WAAC doesn't mean you personally have to consider it a bad thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it is WAAC. So in reply to your post >>92742786Playing your models painted as X faction using X rules is not retarded, it's WYSIWYG.
whys this thread been so dead lately?
>>92743442tourists spamming down the threads for 2 weeks about custodes killed all discussionplus the yearly /v/ raid spamming about the price increases is starting again
>>92743442It's the speed it had before the custodes shitstorm
>>92743387That's kinda cool.
>>92743466I think it's a bit slower than what it was a year ago.
>>92743474thats because a lot of regulars have peaced out for a bit because of all the bitching
>>92743387the librarian once again proving it's the only decent phobos modelfollowed closely by eliminators but they're still weaker aesthetically
>>92743480ah that'd make sense,
>my wife left me for a wordbearers player
>>92743490yeah.. its alright though. people will come back in time. then the drama will drive a bunch away again, etcetcetc. its the cycle of these threads.
>>92742212>No flamersCringe. I even run flamers on my battlesuits. Well I did. A battlesuit squad with three triple flamers is pretty fucking fun when used well.
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>>92743521but what about plague sprayers?
>>92743531They only get a pass Cus deathguard spanked the living piss out of me repeatedly last year and I’m forced to respect them or sound like a whiney shit.
>>92743526Are all wordbearers bald?Are all worldeaters bald? (Does butcher nails prevent hair growth?)
>>92742581blight haulers are cute. though im running low on paints and rust foruma so he isnt gonna be done for a long while
>>92743549thats a shame, the base coats look really decent though.>>92743538yeahhhh I'm currently undefeated in the may 1k points event the local club is doing. DG stronk
>>92743540world eaters only get nail-dreads
A friend of mine gave me some old Tau models he had laying around (circa 2004 Fire Warriors and a Broadside drowning in superglue). I reposed the Fire Warriors best I could (He used superglue for everything so some dips in a cup of ice helped make the glue come apart) but the Broadside was near unsalvageable aside from the railguns, so I'm just gonna print a new body. Question is, what colors do I paint them up in? I'm super nostalgic for the old vomit brown color scheme they debuted with and hate the current White/Red that they're going with on the boxes these days, but I kinda wanna do a different scheme as far as colors go. tl;dr, what colors do I paint my space communists in? No blue-heavy schemes since my Guard are already blue.
>>92743643
>>92743642Shittiest unit in the gameGets mogged by forgefiends and maulerfiendsEven the defiler is more point effectKWAB
>>92743652But enough about the death guard, the Helbrute is real good in 10th because it's both an offensive powerhouse and a buffer to your units.
>>92743652Defilers never see play, every once in a while you'll see a Helbrute stacked with Abby or something. But yeah they're tiny and pathetic, holy fuck why do loyalists have a more brutal-looking walker than CSM, their name is literally Cooler Space Marines.
>>92743643pink and white
>>92743643Burgundy and cream with blue sept markings.
>>92743643Industrial yellow and dark grey.
>>92743518It's ok anon, half the primarchs left the imperium because of a wordbearers player
>>92743652Death Guard Helbrutes are one of the best in the game because you can give an opponent the contagion of nurgle, which in turn gives it a -1 toughness and the additional debuff. Give a -1 to toughness and to hit and watch t3 guardsmen be unable to shoot their guns while also being wounded on a 2+ by your average plague marine bolter.
>>92743691>plague marines>using bolters>in 10thlmao
>>92743694Fuck robin crud and his shitty "one per model" options. I'm going with consistency in my squads, not rolling for every individual gun because of whatever arbitrary reason given. It's faster, more effective, and I roll all my dice at once rather than taking 5 extra minutes to roll for my blight launcher, then my plague spewer hits, then plague spewer wounds, then plague belcher hits, then plague belcher wounds, then the plasma gun, etc.
>>92743689This
>a million weapon profiles on the same unitWhy does GW do this? Gameplay is slowed to a crawl
>>92742212>uhhh reddit and like "flanderization" if you think that's not a great ideaThere's a big difference between not thinking an idea is good, and telling someone how they should play their toy soldiers without being asked.People paint their soldiers up as trannies and stars and stripes and other stupid real world shit. Someone playing in-universe force with odd unit selections is hardly something to autistically police or pissy about.
>>92743734So retards don’t have to feel bad about making stupid decisions.
>>92743734GW are really bad at considering the bigger picture when it comes to game design.
>>92743753I don't think anyone knows what warhammer is supposed to be anymore, we are far beyond the very RPG like wargame of Rogue trade and are just slightly beyond the fairly tame wargame of 3rd -7th
>>92743734The problem isn't that there's a million weapon profiles, but that it's a million dudes with a different weapon profile each. It takes much longer to roll for every individual dude rather than just have them all have matching weapons. Because of this, certain squads become schizophrenic with who gets what, and what you're allowed to use as a result. Chosen from 9th edition were a major point of contempt because they lost all of their weapon options from 8th edition, which meant you couldn't make them uniform in their loadout. Now only a few of them can have a plasma pistol, only one gets a powerfist, and they lost their best melee weapons for a singular consolidated profile that was as bland as a power sword. No more thunder hammers, lightning claws, chain axes or power axes. They were just a taste of what 10th edition did to weapon option...
>>92743716I don't believe you actually play DG, at least not seriously. Plague Spewers and Belchers are torrent weapons.
Is chaos really all that bad?Life in the imperium means youre ultra poor, cant get laid, and you work 16 hour days (my life right now)Meanwhile if you join slaanesh you get to do orgies with some of the hottest women in existenceTell me again why chaos is bad
The collector's edition cover is fucking awesome, makes me want to play CSM.How do CSM generally play? Are their units just inherently inferior to loyalists in every way?
>>92743763You still have to roll for how many hits/attacks you get with each of these torrent weapons, which is what I mean.
>>92743770you're all but mandated to get laid in the imperiummanpower is the main output of humanity in the setting
>>92741822>proxying black legion models as iron warriors
>>92743771inferior in what regard, their stat blocks are largely the same its really all about opportunity cost and how that is reflected with points
>>92743518Let me guess, NLkek?
>>92743784For example:Havocs - no penalty for moving and shootingDesolators - can hit you from across the board and don't need to have line of sight to do it
The monthly update from the tech war. Next month will be the last one.
>>92743771they're about on par. marines are more consistent, CSM has hotter hotstreaks due to dark pacts etc.
>>92743799
>>92743783look it's this retard again lmao
>>92743801
>>92743784>>92743800CSM seem more horde based (CSM units of 20, cultists, Daemon allies)
>>92743792Yeah
>>92743821How do the various traitor legions play like?Death guard, emp children, worldeaters, tran sons?Horde or elite?
>>92743771Chaos is offensive, marines are defensive
>>92743821..? no CSM unit goes in 20s, only cultists go up to 20. not even traitor guard go to 20. if anything most chaos forces are far more elite than loyalists. look at the points cost of terminators, chosen, and obliterators etc.
>>92743779Manpower is the one resource the imperium doesn't have a shortage of.
>>92743770>he thinks he'll be dicking down hot slaneesh babes>when in reality you'll be having your prostrate penetrated by horse dicked slaneesh shemales
>>92743734Only a problem for marine piggies and the answer is to sell more marine slop.
>>92742729?It's great?
>>92741960Fuck. Off. There was a time when NL didn't have ANY jump packs. I used to fill up my FA with bikes because I liked the models and they were easier to convert.Quibbling about such shit is pointless, anyway, because almost all 40k battles are on a small scale action compared to what's going on.
Why was this nigga hated? He was a success story
>>92741861>IW>cultists????????
Dead gaem
>>92742494That's pretty much how I built back in the day, but 3d printing wasn't a thing, so I used small tanks. I'd totally have gone LR, though. Good luck.
>>92743920>They hate me, not because of what I am, but because of what they were. They hate me because they turned, and I did not. The records of our enemies call us all turncoats, but I changed no allegiance. I was always here, just as I am now, aware of myself and the universe that made me. I lied with every breath I ever took, except to myself. That is purity, of a kind, and something that no other soul in this grand armada of renegades can boast.
>>92743972Holy shit what a chad>destroyed a gay couple (argal tal and kharn)>set the heresy into motion and fucking WON>still alive after lying to a bunch of people>stole a knife from Nurgle and told him to fuck offName a bigger chad in the setting
>saturday in 2 days>still haven't decided if I want the CSM battleforce or not
Why are there no xeno books?
>>92744059There are.
>>92744067I went to the book store and lgs and all i see are heresy novels or marine chapter books
I like the beakie's tiny sword and the smiling skelly with the laser eyes.
>>92744031You probably already have marines. So instead of more marines, start an Ork army.
>>92743783Well painted but your poses are fucking boring. It baffles me that people put all this time into painting models well when they're posed bad.
>>92744075there are a lot in digital versionsjust a lot of them are bad but most 40k fiction is trash anyway
>>92744096Post minis
>>92744096Post minis.
>>92744096Post tits.
You want to play orks oooh you want to start an ork army so bad oooh green is your favourite colour
>>92744154No I only play armies that belong in 40k
>>92741822Coming from an actual chaos marine player, this isn't a bad deal for starting an army. This will get you the heavy lifters which leaves you to find cultists, vehicles, daemon engines, and havocs to acquire. Cultists are real easy to kitbash if you have guardsmen and genestealer kits, plus the rhino is the same chassis used for both the vindicator and the predator. The possessed aren't bad on their own, but you will definitely want a Master of Possession to bring out the best in them; a fitting unit for IW because of the ability to bind daemons into machinerg in their soul forges. Don't let the other anons try to keep you down. You do you with your dudes, and create whatever story you need to justify why your warband takes daemonic pacts as means to an end.
>>92744186>demons>IW??????????
>>92744213How else do you make daemonic siege engines without the main ingredient? Iron Warriors don't care if they're suffering or not.
>>92744124
>>92744223No timestamp, fake and gay
>>92744223>>92744229Nice tits none the less.
>>92743032That's what makes it grimderp though. If they had simply left it at disobedient recruits get executed, that would have been fine and believable. But saying they cemented the still living recruits into the walls of the facility is just retarded shit you write when you're trying to hard to be edgy.
>>92744236*hits pipe* *puff puff*I do say it be so
>>92744030Also, >Killed ErdaCan we even call him a villain at this point?
>>92743805>>92743801>>92743799where's the segment about tyranids?
>>92744273Who?
>>92744273Never heard of her.
>>92744253couldn't even 1v1 her what a loser
>>92744280You know, the tyranids? one of the most important enemy of the necrons? reason why the silent king came back from exile? the faction that would be hit the most by the nexus after demons?
>>92742494Havocs can actually have any weapons except for the leader who is the first to die because of this
>>92744293Not ringing any bells, are you sure you're in the right thread?
Apparently these were sculpted by the same guy. They were both among the first models he designed for Warhammer. Go figure.
>>92743972>i'm a giant faggot that's why people hate meFtfy
>>92744361steven who?
>>92744373It's just Steven.
>>92743793you mean>cannot be modified at allbig diff
>>92744273>>92744293People are being ironic because they're little /v/tards, but you're completely right and it's a bit of bad writing moment on GWs part. Nephilim Sector had a sizeable splinter fleet called Court of Nephilim King. Which earned its name after a hive tyrant - when facing the imperial knights of House Raven - reorganized his hive as a dark mirror of the household force organization, except with nidzilla units. Preying on their sense of pride and anger from such an insult, he managed to beat their forces with kaiju dinobugs. That's a pretty characterful event all the way from 8th edition so not iterating on it is kinda weird. Although honestly might be more of a blessing.
>>92744384Wow even his real face looks a bit weird.
>>92744384Looks like a swell guy
>>92744426He just looks like a normal rando. A guy I could imagine seeing anywhere.
>>92744405>"a bit of a bad writing moment on GWs part"what faction does this not apply to, fucking Kroot?
The price hikes didn't end at 2%
Who is literally this in 40k?
>>92744492When did they ever?
>>92744496literally who?
>>92744496Well, the Emperor killed off all the Juden (and Christians, and Muslims, etc) so...
>>92744489Yeah, no denying that it's a mildly common occurrence but honestly I don't mind because they couldve easily culled those admittedly pretty cool guys in two sentences within that article.
>>92744510>literally who?That's Joe
>>92744496erebus
Dumping some more oldhammer art as I work through cleaning these pdf scans up. If it annoys anyone just tell me to stop. : )
>>92744561Stop
>>92744565Ok, last one then seeing as I just finished it.
>>92744496Erebus
>>92744565BLUD FER DA BLUD GOD, SKULLZ FER KHORNE
This shit really did not sell at all
>>92741846>>92742159
>>92744644OWNEDMore like DAEMONCUEBULAED
>>92744625Because Kroot are ugly as shit.
>>92744608>Chaos XenosJames, where have you been these past few decades to not see the potential of chaos-corrupted species like Khornate Orkz? It would make total sense too because they both have a penchant for violence, and orkz tend to take the heads of their enemy for their pointy stikks anyways. It's a match made in the brass citadel.
>>92741762>>92741795>redshirts scalping all the minis of the monthsI'd email James and tattle on them
>>92744725What is the free mini anyway?
>>92744742This month it was this piece of shit but last month it was a terminator
>>92744751Not the color I'd choose . .
>>92744625It'd be like if they made a Sisters of Silence box set and dedicated a huge of the Custodes codex to making that shitty box set playable as its own army. Nobody asked for this. Nobody wanted this. Nobody chooses to play that faction for those units
>>92744751Huh, I could use that dude for my Cawdor gang leader, green stuff some more cloth onto him, might go see if I can get it.
>I could have been building a Storm Warden or Emperor's spears army all this time to get my Celtic fix but I didn't know they existed.
>>92744751>debra wilson has made the leap from video game face scanning to mini face scanningwtf
>>92744765Good luck, they're usually all gone within a few days.
>>92744751Didn't they already give one of those out a few months ago? They must be clearing their warehouse.https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/30/visit-your-local-store-for-a-free-freeguild-steelhelm-and-earn-this-months-coin/
>>92744773I'll try at the weekend, Inverness is my closest GW and I need to run up to town to get a shopping run in anyway.
>>92744761You can't choose the face has that nose sculpted and you're asked to paint the model on the spot with their colours
>>92744788Shit forgot the meme face>mfw GW says they had "No choice" but to raise the prices again to stay functional as they record peak profits year on year every year
>+500 posts>page 8I think it's okay to move now.>>92744801>>92744801>>92744801
>>92744790Shes got that odd flattened nose, like Sandra Oh has, probably would look better if someone else painted it too as usual. Seems GW can only paint Space Marine heads well.
Here's a retarded idea I came up with when I read anon's post about chaos xenos.>Eldar Farseer of a failing craftworld>Constantly at siege from invasions from imperials, tyranid fleets, ork waaaghs, and even a necron battlefleet.>Stressing out trying to find the best possible course of actions to save as many eldar lives as possible>Continuously tries to mess with fate in order to pick the safest options.>The futures become too grim for the farseer to handle>Prays in desperation that one day this madness will change.>Someone answers their prayer>A new fate is revealed to the farseer, one where their craftworld is saved from She Who Thirsts' bind>Desperate and out of any other option, the Farseer reluctantly agrees to follow the path set by the mysterious benefactor>It seems to work. The wisdom given has saved the eldar from damnation>Slowly but steadily, new optimistic fates begin to pop up. Promises of a return to their glory days begin to fill the head of the farseer.>Other eldar begin to doubt the farseer. Their mind becomes filled with promises and ideas to save their race.>Soon, these ideas become schemes, timelines which promise the return of the eldar glory require a few sacrifices>"If a few leaves must be pruned for the flowers to bloom, then let the garden of life be tended to" >The farseer makes the idea of sacrifice a reality>Unbeknownst to the farseer, the sacrifice was their own craftworld.>The farseer becomes stricken with grief and betrayal at the mistake they have made.>Tzeentch makes his appearance>In the palm of his hand are the collected soulstones of the craftworld denizens, unbroken and shining with the souls of the fallen.>The farseer is given an ultimatum: Sacrifice your soul for servitude to the lord of schemes, or fall with the rest of your kin to the Prince of Pleasure>With no other options, the farseer agrees to sacrifice their own soul for the protection of their craftworld and the return of the soulstones.
>>92741832FW is getting divorced
>>92744837that's one gay wank you got there
>>92744697Chaos Xenos that are Xenos but X God do not warrant an actual model release, convert your own like uncle Duncan did, his khork is pretty cool. Chaos Xenos should be unaligned weirdcore shirt like Yu'Vath or Khrave
>>92743734>>92743753this anon gets it >>92743885anons who go on these tangents like "why would GW do X? X is stupid" always seem to lose sight of the fact that pic related isn't meant to be a good game. it's meant to be a good marketing pamphlet. it exists to sell models, and every rule, every stat, every interaction, is written to make it sell more. when they change shit, it's to make it sell more models. whether it's good or not is judged entirely on sales figures.or looked at another way, if their purpose was to make a good game, they'd have done it by now. they're 10 editions deep, they've been working on it more than 35 years, and it's still as unbalanced and poorly put-together as it was when they started.
>>92744223how the fuck do poeple get that thin and still have breasts nowadays jesus>>92744803moving over at page 8I nutted
