Previously: >>92728656>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.nethttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>how to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/>TQ/prompt:Post your favorite precons
>>92738875my main niggaI ride & die with this lil nigga for 3 years and counting nownever shelving you, lil homie
>>92738921gigabased
>>92738875Unironically Clavileno. I really like his gimmick, even if he's kinda shite.
its good but it feels too slow
>>92738875My OG Voltron Commander. I love making this fucker into Vishnu with a thousand blades and then swinging for big dick damage.Ironically, the base deck is actually a spellslinger designed to combo with Sunforger. It's really weak but fucking hilarious to have whatever removal or protection you want right at your fingertips. Fucked over more than one of my friends with repeated Sunforger tutoring before I started tweaking it.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>92739025>even if he's kinda shite.I dunno, he seems pretty good to me. It's no Edgar Markov but Clavileno plays quite well out of the box
Let's say I have Isshin and Caesar in play and then attack with something. I couldn't sacrifice a creature to make 2 tokens and draw a card and then sacrifice one of the created tokens for the second trigger, is that correct?
>>92738875Just wish she didn't have the sorcery speed malarky.
>>92739228I hate how its always at the end too so its always a "wow I can think of quite a few ways to use this effect in my de- oh its shit"
>>92738875>TQShattergang was fun straight out of the box and I had a great time turning into full on goblin tribal later.
>>92739209Each trigger goes on the stack, if the first one resolves and makes tokens, you can pay for the second one with that token, yes. The trigger has "you may sacrifice a creature" so you ""pay"" for that when it's ready
>>92739253List?
if there was a land on board with cycling would this card also have cycling while in my hand?
>>92739396No
>>92739396No, because the ability that gives it all abilities of lands on the battlefield only applies while the refractor itself is on the battlefield.
Gay Bolas
>>92738875Anowon roguesI turned it into mill reanimator/theft which is tonnes of fun
>>92739241This. It gets me everytime
God damn do I love making tokens.
>>92739310https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/three-stooges/It's since been dismantled for other things, but this is what it was up until then.
Today I won because someone played intruder alarm not realising I had galecaster colossus and some other wizards to make sure no one else had fun
what do i do if i hate voltron
>>92738875The face commander for him isn't great but Kyler was easily one of my favorite precons and commanders. Admittedly, it's not a precon with any real stand out cards, but Kyler himself is so open ended and there's so many humans in his colors along with angels that can thematically support that I had a lot of fun working on him over the years. And since his colors usually always have a human or two coming out in them almost every set has something I can consider for him. I also thematically really like how he works. I've put more time and money into him than any other commander and I've enjoyed the ride so far.
>>92739285Not that anon, but thanks for the answer. I've been wondering that myself. I assumed that was how it would work, but wasn't sure.
>>92739228How'd you build this one? Seems like it could be interesting but that sorcery speed part really does look like it would hurt.
>>92740061Making a humans deck with Sigarda, worried it might become a Kyler deck if she sucks
>>92740059Don't build her voltron? Mine isn't, it has a bit in case I need to pivot but it's mostly throw shit on opponents, and pillowfort
>>92740059How's it voltron just give people vows and watch them kill eachother
>>92740074unfortunately he's wrong
>>92740130Yeah, that's possible. Maybe even likely Or at least depending on which Sigarda you go with. I'd think maybe this Sigarda could work as a good generalist that provides protection and gives you a few extra options with her top deck casting. Which Sigarda were you thinking of going with?
>>92737362I have built and played ~20 decks. my favourites are food tokens and/or beatdown. I prefer dual colour over everything else, with mono in second because I like basics. I think their value is underrated.>>92737380my friends play $100-300 decks. strongest is probably meren guy with endless interaction, but also ojer axonil and kardur guy (both very hated by everyone), and the last one suffers the most, he plays Ur dragon, sefris and oloro (his best deck).thanks for all other suggestions.
>>92738875Who is the most fun green black commander?v
>>92740316I'm a big fan of baba lysaga decently open ended cause its pretty easy to hit the requirement to draw cards and then you can build the rest how you want. Glissa jarad and nu vraska all are cool to me, but I've only built baba
>>92740086As a low budget life deck. Shit like mindless automaton, devoted druid, and spikefeeder make her somewhat useful. Plus, you still have classics like Gary, Exsanguinate, and Exquisite blood-Sanguine bond combo. I built mine where every creature as evasion and lifelink, to abuse things like pic rel. All in all, she isn't good but if you want something low power that plays with life, she's your gal.
>>92740316New gitrog is fun as fuck. After you sac hogaak, draw 8 and put lots of lands into play, you will get the dopamine
What's a good Izzet commander that's more red than blue?
>>92740188I was going with the human anthem/look at the top 6 on attack one, although each Sigarda is in the deck. I’m not entirely against Kyler it’s just that the hipster in me wants a less we known threat in the command zone.
>>92740487I like Zara
>>92740316>even asking
>>92740487Ghyrson Starn, Kelemorph
>>92740316Yargle and MaRo xD
>>92740480Then why not just play hogaak?What makes the deck different?
>>92740487Zaffai, Thunder Conductor.
>>92740159He is? Oh, so Cesar sacrifices as cost then at activation?
>>92739081>this value machine feels slow in 2024worst part is, i see where you coming from. not having instant payoff at 5 mana feels bad.commander is doomed, isn't it?
>>92740561Does hogaak by itself draws you tons of cards and ramp? You put in the deck cards like jarad and others that grow with your gy and have fun
>>92740316
>>92740764I've seen one of these decks in actionGoes hard>when the Gyrome player tries to tap down your creatures so you Cyc Rift overloaded and force him to use all his value NOW at instant speed
>>92740764>Nontokenno
>>92740316I built MycotyrantHe's pretty basic but fun
>>92740519Yeah, that's fair. It's harder to guess what's going on in a deck when you play an unexpected lead. Either way, good luck anon. A deck lead by Sigarda sounds like it could be a cool way to build humans.
>>92740696>commander is doomedYes, it doesn’t help that this mentality is shared by the command zone hosts who preach the same to a wide audience. Rachel weeks said Trouble in Pairs was a bad card because it didn’t generate immediate value (despite penalizing your opponents for doing more) and said it would only be worth the cast if it drew 5 cards. That’s better value than harmonize, which only draws cards.
>>92740832filtered
>>92740667no, he's right, this dude is just being a fag. You sacrifice as an option as part of the trigger on resolution, so you can sac the tokens made by the first one.
I never play green, what green commander should I build? The less colors, the better.I mostly play mono-white and meme dimir decks like Jon Irenicus.
>>92741118Become uncounterable
>>92741202pic related and retarded.
>>92740316jarad is classic>>92740480this guy seems rad too
It's so weird to see C14 Commanders not being played at all. I still remember them being THE shit.
>>92741333I don't play Daretti, Scrap Savant as my commander anymore but he ends up in a lot of my decks 99s
>>92741333>Daretti has a nice that is mostly taken up by newer colors with more color access like Osgir. Still fine in the 99.>Freyalise is the most boring green card to ever exist.>Nahiri is outclassed by dozens of equipment commanders with more colors, and even at her peak she was boring and awful.>Ob Nixilis barely does anything and isn't particularly interesting.>Teferi was a cEDH powerhouse but is easily outclassed by monoblue Urza. Still has a reputation so you get focused hard.
>>92741118goreclaw hyperdiscount big smashy is pretty fun
>build deck because it sounds like a fun idea I have wanted to try>it actually ends up pretty good and can win>ends up being fucking misery to playI am never touching an enchantment deck again
>>92741333The oldest precon commanders I still play are Windgrace and Aminatou
>>92741274>Be Thrun>Walk right past the blue checkpoint>Ignore weak board wipes>Wear the finest armor>Wield the finest weapons>Kill on a whim
>>92741333They're planeswalkersWhy would anyone decide that their commander should be a planeswalker?
>>92741454>Teach your buddies your tricks with Asceticism
>>92741474The same reason people decide to suck a stranger's cock in a bathroom stall
>>92741333>friend builds her>plays against me>equips Luxior>smacks 1 player, then another, then swings at me>exile Luxior>focuses me the rest of the game for exiling his artifacterinolol?
>>92741333Nahiri is mai waifuShe turns me to stone if you know what I'm saying
>>92741534Nahiri did nothing wrong apart from all the wrong things she did.
>>92741474Because Estrid is pure sex.
>>92739396this taps for mana or just abilities that use tap?
>have night of the doctor out as well as a power conduit>remove the first lore counter from night of the doctor every turn so it board wipes every turnIs this a thing I can actually do or is there some stupid rule like "sagas immediately die with 0 counters"?
>>92741588basic lands have the intrinsic tap to add mana. you could also use it to dupe nykthos or baldurs gate etc
>>92741592I don't care enough to read UB cards
>>92741592yes
>>92741592No, that works, I'm pretty sure.
>>92741615>UB haters can't read 3 wordswhew
>>92741592as far as I understand Sagas only disappear when their lore counters are equal to or greater than the last ability
>>92741592It does work, and I do it all the time
>win first game at turn 10>different deck>2nd game >everyone has a board state>eat all the single target removal and attacks from all 3 opponents >nothing sticks for a roundWhy are people such spiteful cunts, jfc
When creatures fight each other as a result of things like ezuris predation, does that count as having my creatures being blocked for things that care about being blocked?
>>92741783One person I play with will target me every game regardless of the deck I play or board state because he thinks I'm always up to something or could do something later It's also important to note I'm not even a control player but midrange
>>92741805No, creatures also dont get first strike
>>92741807One person in our pod does this to me as well. I find it weirdly flattering he's always worried about what I'm doing.It rarely matters though because the majority of my decks run blue.
>>92741805Unfortunately, fight and bite effects have nothing to do with combat
>>92741848>>92741807For some reason, being targeted by one is whatever/hilarious, but three really pissed me off. Eat three removals, a counter, swing for 20 because ‘I’m open’. Really ruined my mood lol
>>92741652Not quite. Basically, the ruling is whenever counters are put on a saga, you activate the corresponding ability if the amount of counters beforehand WASN'T already on that ability. Sagas are weird on a rules angle, though largely intuitive enough that the nitty-gritty doesn't matter.
can you is it possible to play astor as token+equip+vehicles deck on a budget, or is that stuff doomed to fail?
>>92742233>tokenwhy?
>>92742233You can make anything on a budget. Just include Flicker effects to dig harder and consider a Sunforger package.
>>92739693Bolas fucks trains
>>92742283so I can crew all the vehicles and equip all the stuff he pulls out>>92742302so far I've got>Golden Argosy>Nahiri's Resolve>Cloudshift>Ephemeratehow much does one lean into flicker with him?got sunforger too, how do people use it? as interaction tool?
>>92742387Mostly as interaction, with things like wear//tear and justice strike, but you can also set up infinite turns with Chance For Glory and Sundial of the Infinite. You just use something like Mistveil Plains to put cards back in your deck to cast with Sunforger. It's all very budget friendly.
>>92742387I recommend Restoration Angel, it'll give you a flying body and a flicker.Sunforger is pretty strong as an interaction tool, use it to grab removal if needed but you can run a few fun cards like deflecting palm and magnetic theft. Mistveil Plains will let you reuse your spells too.
played against a killian with lurrus companionthe guy asked if it was ok to play with old companion rules (play straight from exile) because "lurrus did nothing wrong it was all yorion i swear" lol
>>92742447>>92742460thanks, I'll add mistveil plains and restoration angel and take a look at more flicker stuff.
These are the last 3 decks I made. I'm very happy with the two I've had a chance to play with so far.Lilah: spellslinger, prowess "voltron" 3/4 wins so far and the loss was just a big blunder on my part. Lots of fun to play! Cast spells draw cards and swing, ideally winning a few coin tosses along the way to do it twice in a row (or more!) https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7192621/lilahVarchild: go tall to go wide and then proceed to beatdown, ideally with some sac effects to force some big non combat damage. 0/2 with this deck but both games I had to actively be stopped by the other 3 and even then I was close. Attacking with 10 survivors and then sacking them at the end of combat to turn them into carnivores is fun, then do it next turn and turn them into hellions. Has been a lot of fun to play (might not be entirely accurate but it's close)https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5365277/varchild_need_to_buy_lolRakdos the muscle: storm list I have only had the chance to goldfish with so far but it does that well, whatever that means. I'd say roughly 8/10 times I goldfish with it the turn. Rakdos comes down or the turn after I win, or am at least able too obviously interaction exists from others but it's been a lot of fun. The amount of times I've literally played every card in the deck minus lands turn 6 is pretty surprising https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7589751/nurakdosAnd here's what I want to build and then I think I will be good forever just tune stuff up but I like everything I havehttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/7054775/white_moon_smithyKinda janky build around thousand moon smithy. I'll probably scale down the budget and actually make it soon then upgrade over time
>>92742571Oops wrong link for varchild https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7632053/varchild
>>92742485Reminds me of a guy who was running Queza and asked to "rule zero" Yawgmoth's Bargain in lol
>>92742520What >>92742460 said is spot on. These Flicker creatures let you dig harder while also crewing your vehicles. Things like Charming Prince, Felidar Guardian, Flickerwisp would be great.
>>92742630sounds good, looks like I'm going to lean more into vehicles than equipment
>>92740059she doesnt need to be voltron.My deck is mostly a mixture of vows, generic buff auras, and removal auras. A few protection spells and then aura/enchantment synergy. I want my opponents to not completely hate the auras im giving out, and I want to protect my commander so my opponents never get the option to swing at me.Funny enough, you can easily win via voltron late game, if people have been removing auras, you just mass reanimate your auras and swing.
>>92742233Keld has fallen
>>92740059I'm assuming you're asking with that picture because you want ways to deal with voltron.Bounce spells and fogs are the funniest ways.Eriette is a cute way to do it but I'd probably go draw-go control with a lot of control and couple theft cards.
>>92739885Dank.I'm trying to build a goblin pile for my friend and shattergang looks like good access for colors for alot of old goblin stuff
You are going to play something fun and unique for all commanders having partner, right anon? Not just tymna value piles, right?For me, it'll be Lynde+Eriette curses
>>92743227what the fuck are you talking about?
>>92742371This can't be happening. If it turns out Bolasposter was actually a fucking leaker the whole time and they come back next arc I'll livestream myself burning my deckbox.
>>92743227Most of the time I just run partner commanders by themselves and ignore the partner text entirely
>>92743342if there was ever a time to bullshit bolas back into the multiverse it would be right after a giant tree split into every plane of the multiverse and was drawn back, leaving portals open that other creatures could travel through
>>92743342>>92743393Looking over the lore again I'm guessing it's gonna end up being Jace and Vraska as the bad guys and we're gonna get a card like "Ugin and The Elder Dragon" to bring back bolas as an anti hero to beat jace and vraska
>>92739142I like the card, honest simple effect. Fucking side shave stupid west coast haircut, why can't he be just bald. He'd be literally me fuck. I can never play him.
>>92743534His hair is small enough that you could probably just photoshop it out, make a proxy, and no one would even notice.
>>92743342It's clearly some SLD card
What's the difference between an Izzet commander and a Prismari commander?
>>92743603It's also a clear indicator along with MH3 that they're building up to them returning.
>>92743656He's already been in a SLD and didn't return.
>>92743324https://wpn.wizards.com/en/news/celebrate-pride-month-this-june-with-magic-presents-pride>For the Magic Presents: Pride event, treat all eligible commanders as though they had the partner ability. This allows players to add an additional commander to a deck they already have or use a never-before-seen combination of two commanders to helm a totally new deck
>>92741977>>92741652They only get sacrificed when the lore counters on them are equal or greater to the last chapter ability and they're not a source of a chapter ability on the stack, they get sacrificed.So in simpler terms, the saga only gets sacrificed when the last ability resolves.
>>92743686>Special event for wpn storesWhy'd you make it sound like it was something like when uncards were legal?
>>92742233I've got a selesnya token equipment deck with vehicles subtheme. I don't know what your definition of failure is, but you won't be achieving fringe cedh with it.You need a solid token lineup, as that is the backbone through which you enable your equips and vehicles. You also need to be strategic about committing to the board and cards in hand both in deckbuilding and play. 'Whenever you cast X, create a Y/Y token' are traps as that is racing towards topdeck central after a wrath, which is feelsbad especially when you know you only need a single 1/1 to represent a threat. I wouldn't play prydwen even at 3 cmc.It does result occasionally into a nonbo, because you don't want to put equipment on vehicles and having your equipped creature tapped to crew is feelsbad. Especially if it is an equipment with an attack or damage trigger. You get those kinds of games, no way of really avoiding it.
>>92738875How do you make clavileno good? He just seems way too slow. The demons entering tapped is the real killer.
>>92739149Its been many posts and no one even gave this bait a single (You). Have one out of pity
>>92743655their skin tones
>>92743820Amulet of Vigor
>>92743686Gay Bolas anon is too powerful, he memed an event into existence.
guys just made my first mono green ezuri elf ball . Shit wins consistenly on turn 3-4 if not interacted with what gives .
>>92744147Why the fuck would you play a 100 card singleton shitter format just to win on turn 3-4?
>>92744155>Why do you try to win the games you play?
>>92744165>so reductive and defensive you can't discern the difference between winning in 5 minutes vs actually playing the gameNoclipping to the end of a game is also "winning" but it lacks any of the gameplay that characterizes the experience.
>>92744171youre crying over elfball thats kind of sad
>>92743686KinnanNajeelaEat shit my t2 OTK is hitting the table.
>>92744033But Ugin can't be your commander... yet.
>>92744194>this easily rattled about how he's a no-funPlease keep "winning" on turn 4 and making no one want to play with you. You'll be back to gloat about how your LGS ignores you or kicks you out of pods soon enough.
Are we really getting Mice Equipment tribal? Because that is awesome, I just wish card related was a Mouse Knight
Speaking of Precons, how is pic related? Also wondering if the Party time Precon is fun out of the box, how is it?
>>92744203lol im not even the guy who posted originally, calm down you sensitive nigger
>>92744155>you should play bad on purpose, that's how you have funI don't even know what to do with this>>92744171>winning quickly means you're not playing the gameYou can just play again. If you're a problem, the rest of the group will be on alert for your shenanigans and and try to stop you.>>92744203>playing a good deck will get you kicked out of your LGSYou act like he's only going to play this deck and somehow nobody will try to adapt. Do you not have more than one deck? Do you not have removal?
>>92744241>end the game instantly that's super funI can't even with you retards, how desperate are you to not play commander?
>>92744228Henzie's fun, pretty mana hungry because ironically the more he's killed the more kill-on-sight he becomes so either you're paying damn near full price for blitzing or you're paying nine for Henzie.
I hate how much I love this guy. Is there any Commander that plays like pic related?
>>92744356Seems like an important character to be left in an Alchemy release
>>92744356Yes there's lots of green big stompy commanders.
>>92744356The fuck does "seek" mean?
>>92744356why permanent haste?what does seek mean?
>>92744415>>92744410Seek is an alchemy only keyword which randomly searches your library for that card. So that card would get a random creature from your library and add it to your hand
>>92744356>perpetually>seekcringe a f
>>92744410>>92744415Hearthstone keyword where it basically means "tutor a random legal target" because apparently just exiling from the top until you hit the first one wasn't good enough.
>>92744434Most "digital-only" mechanics could be done in paper with low rework and low-issues>Boons (one-time permanent buffs) could just be done with Emblems that remove themselves>Most things that "Conjures" (creates a card from nothing) could just be "from outside the game">Heist (look at 3 random non-lands in your library and exile 1 face-down, you can cast it while its exiled and any mana can be spent for it) can just be done via shuffling, then temporary exiling until 3 targets are found>"Not the starting player" is just something you could take note of at the start of the game with a Token or some shit that truly isn't a fucked concept I don't know why its digital only>Seek is just shuffle then temporary exile until a target is foundThe only mechanics that truly are digital-only in my mind are card-specific tracking, like the "perpetually" and "Intensity" mechanics. Those truly seem like they are too difficult to track once you start doing shit like having multiple copies of a card moving around the place
>>92744464>heist pulls from your library instead of your opponent's How do they fuck up flavor so consistently? It's an art at this point.
>>92744464>>92744477Heist does it to A library, my bad
>>92744431They are probably going to implement these words in paper at some point as well to make room for more text because power ain't gonna creep itself, right? Just like we now have "enters" instead of "enters the battlefield".
>>92744487That's better, but you can still steal from yourself, which is retarded.
I assume Mayael is not popular anymore because other Commanders do her thing better. Which ones are those?
>>92744664Pic relatedShe's fun
>>92741118I like Ghalta, but that's because I like dinosaurs.
I caved. I put lab jace in my wheels deckI feel dirty
>>92744724>being ashamed for playing winconscuck mentality>b-b-b-but muh combat damageeat another boardwipe, timmy
>>92744724Mystery Jace and Lab Man are fine since opponents can still react to them, unlike Thoracle where it's basically "don't have a counterspell that can target creatures? Well, GG".
>>92744664>>92744687I've never compared these two side by side before. Damn. Big F for Mayael, a true OG lost to the eternal powercreep.
>>92744746Wincons are boring. They always devolve your games to a linear path.
>>92744762Skill issue. Thoracle is fine, just play blue.
>>92744783No wincons means each game becomes a 3 hour slog and whoever manages to win usually just does so by pure luck. Second worst way to play the game after cEDH.
>>92744796>3 hour gamesjust like good ol elder dragon highlander used to be
>>92744771If Mayael were printed now she'd read RGWtap as opposed to 6 mana
>>92744724If you get to the point where you mill yourself with only wheels you deserve to win
All my commanders are 4CMC or lessGive me a good 6+CMC commander
>>92744918Nah, I think that she would put several, if not all of the revealed creatures on the field.
>>92744970>Give me a good 6+CMC commanderthey don't existsomeone else is just going to say "ramp more lol", but if your commander gets removed once you have to spend your entire turn recasting them? that sucks.I have seven decks - six are 3 cmc or less. The only one that isn't is Sedris - 6cmc - but I don't plan on casting him in a typical game. He's an "emergency button" in the command zone that I don't intend on casting twice - after he hits the field, I typically either win or lose that round.
>>92744970My strongest and most fun deck is the 6 drop Olivia.The deck can function without her since it's just reanimation, but her having haste is the only saving grace.If she didn't have haste she would be absolute dog shit and she enables some funky bullshit.
>>92744998They exist in low power, not every deck needs to be an optimized combofest.
>>92744970Posting this to spite >>92744998
>>92745061She seems extremely boringHot as fuck tho
>>92745061Is she actually good? I've been thinking of getting the precon since I don't have any deck with that color combination, but I don't really see much of a gameplan for her besides "stick every convoke spell in deck, ????, somehow win".
>>92745098I'm not even gonna post the image but running a number of effectively free spells and generating value off of them while having a 5 power wasted flyer dealing commander damage is good
>>92745045>not every deck needs to be an optimized combofestlmaoyou would be shocked if you saw my actual decks.my best deck is a tribal lifegain deck where I refuse to run cards that don't match flavor. The only combo in it is one I didn't even include on purpose where I can gain infinite life. It requires seven cards and I run no tutors.
>>92745119My point is that in those games 6+cmc commanders are viable. They're the most viable in the fun aspect
>>92744998counterpoint
>>92744970Usually when I cast my 6 cmc commander, the game ends the same round. Not because my commander is strong. I don't get another turn, someone else has won the game at that point. And people are completely fine with the notion that a game ends at turn 5/6. I am not at all amused, when the only card I manage to cast in a game is a solemn simulacrum.
>>92744970This dude fucks. The deck is all ramp, card draw, mana doublers, and some overrun effects. Def one of my stronger decks.
>$400 for collector booster mh3>250 for play boosterYeah I’m thinking the chinaman is based
>>92745298>people are completely fine with the notion that a game ends at turn 5/6At that point, why even play commander at all?
>>92745348When you grow up or stop being a neet incel you will find out that people don't normally have more than 1-2 hours for a commander gathering.
>>92745348I agree, I hate my meta. I'm just hoping the tryhards brick, and we get a quality game on our hands
>>92745348Turn 6 is 3 more turns than standard at this point
>>92745387people move to commander from standard specifically to avoid that BSIt's kinda funny how people used to make fun of Yugioh for 3 turn games, and yet here we are
>>92744356This isn't even an interesting card lmao
>manager buddy gave me the box topper of a zendikar set box he got in>Pulled ancient tombThanks :DAnyone else get some good pulls lately?
>>92745231>This used to be bannedWe lived in a clown world. Really speaks for the powercreep that has happened since, shits insane.
>>92745373>Express grievance that games are getting to be too fast>Compfag immediately starts slinging ad hominempottery
>>92745348Games are funner when everyone is trying to win. I don't see how you betamales don't get this lol
>>92744998>but if your commander gets removed once you have to spend your entire turn recasting them? that sucks.If you're playing your commander on or one behind curve you're already doing that regardless of cmc, retard
>>92745452>expressed grievancesNo you didn't lmao. You tried attacking someone for playing the game different. Gutless fag
>>92745467Fastfags should be shamed not accepted.
>>92745496Why because you're too autistic or too weak to keep up? End of day the only reason anyone holds an opinion line this is because they are insecure little fags riddled with anxieties over a game
>>92744464While I understand perpetually has some implications with a creature getting bounced/flickered/reanimated from a graveyard that make it mechanically different from "X enters the battlefield with a trample counter," I still don't think that difference is big enough to lock warrant locking a card into Arena forever.
>>92744221there's like 2 or 3 mice in those colors, hopefully they make more in Bloomburrow
>>92745507Please stay in the cEDH thread
>>92745507Because a 30 minute game is a waste of my time, while a 2 hour durdlefest isn't.
>>92745514I think it is, the goal of "perpetually" is that it truly retains that value forever. There's a reason that even Skullbriar calls it quits at a hand/library.Doing something like "declare a card type, cards in your hand with the same type perpetually gain "this costs 1 less"" would be hell because you would need to seperate your hand into a "this had the gain" and "this didnt have the gain" and it would just make the play experience terrible
>>92745061maybe a fun way to build her is going full retarded voltron whit no other convoke spell, only weenie spam and Exalted/ attack alone effects to pump her up.
>>92745467>You tried attacking someone for playing the game different>questioning why someone who wants to play hard and fast would stick with the battlecruiser pet card format, as opposed to one of the faster and more competitive ones like modern or even cEDH>attackTalk about being a gutless fag
>>92745373Your shit time management skills aren't my problem. If you can't wrangle more than an hour for your hobbies, play legacy, I hear games are decided in only 2 turns there, think about how much more efficient you could be.
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>>92745334Wizards are begging for it at this point, but they probably don't care as the set will sell like hotcakes anyway thanks to whales and tourney addicts
>>92738921Missed this somehow, great card. Mix of burn and fattys using the mana it generates?
>>92744578I don't think anything with heist doesn't target an opponent, it's just phrased like that to be a crime.
>>92745547Yeah, a lot of digital-only mechanics are digital-only because if they were in paper they'd require you to divulge FAR more information about your hand and deck and whatnot than even you might know.
>>92745610You are clearly underage or some first year college student.
TQ: this guy is amazing OOB. never upgraded it, but I'd have to assume it would be fantastic with the red artifact staples. I'm a ardent hater of walkers, especially in the command zone , buy this lil goblin shit gets a pass
Ok so how exactly is this supposed to worksay I cast ulamog, his exile 2 goes on the stack, I activate this, ulamog and his exile are copied, 2 instances of that abilitydoes copying ulamog also cause the ability to trigger a third time? allowing me to exile a total of 6 permanents or...?
>>92745757holy shit fuck webp
>>92745757No, because copying something is not casting it. You get two Ulamogs (and then immediately lose one to the legend rule when it resolves), and two Ulamog cast triggers.
>>92745736> I only have 1 hour a week available for hobbies> I am miserable> My experience is totally the norm, right?> Everyone who is opposed to that is immature and unrealistic about lifeYes I'm projecting
>>92745757no, Ulamog copy is not cast so it does not have the on cast trigger>you still have to sacrifice one of the titans because of the legend ruleUlaKEK
>>927409371 more reason I dont watch MTG content on Youtube, trouble draws a ridiculous ammount of cards
>>92739081It's a dragon and it's a dinosaur. What else do you need?
>>92745736I work full time, I have a wife and kids, and I can still manage to free up two evenings a week for my hobbies. Git gud at managing your time, faggot.
>>92745797>>92745786so you're telling me mirror box and/or sakashima are required upgrades to the eldrazi precon. Gotcha
>>92745818i need it to do something before it gets removed
>>92745546Neither are a waste of time if youre enjoying the game :^) you sound like you were raised by women
>>92745596>no ureally sad showing anon
>>92745792>Projecting Lmao do you know what that even means? I said that it's hard for people to find more than 1-2 hours to gather for commander but the dumb stupid incel that you are started jumping to conclusions. Even if you could afford or had faster cards that could make games end in 6 turns you probably wouldn't even be able to play them because your illiterate smooth brain can't read or comprehend the game rules in order to do so.
>blue player burns a counterspell on your ramp on turn 3 in a casual gameHow did you react when this happened to you?
>>92745459Because they have this grand ideal of a back and forth game where everyone's burning their hands and boards until you end up in a topdeck duel where the luckiest slugger wins and keep chasing that sort of game even when it's completely unrealistic.
>>92745910Yeah, getting jeweled lotus into narset into infinite turns sounds like a great evening
>>92745954I reacted by informing the blue player that teferi time raveler is on the field, he then scooped on the spot
>>92745894you copy changelings too by the way
>>92745971ya why not? you shuffle up and start again and hold up interaction since you now know what you need to be worried about. Thats what makes games fun anon, facing a challenge and then formulating a plan to overcome it. Im sorry your mothers were unable to instill this in you
>>92745971You just shuffle up for another game.
>>92745947Are you happy?
>>92745914>no rebuttal
>gather 5 different colors using budget manabases>cast my commander, The Prismatic Bridge>it survives all 3 of my other opponent's at the table having their turn>during my upkeep I get to cheese out a creature/planeswalker at complete random (it was Roxanne, Starfall Savant)>"its bullshit you get to play stuff for nothing"I genuinely don't know how to navigate this situation. It literally remained on field without being removed, the creature I get is random (as high up as Zopandrel and as low as a Sakura-Tribe Elder), I'm not guaranteed to get the mana I need to play it on turn 5 and I have one of the highest CMC commanders at the table
>>92745954>can't handle a "bolt the bird"try single-player games
>>92745954I laughed, told my friend to go fuck himself, scooped and went to go smoke a joint with the other guys not in the game. The guy who wasted the counter lost and we roasted him the rest of the night.I genuinely feel bad for anyone who doesn't have a play group with friends. I played exclusively store games for about three years and looking back I don't know why I put myself through that. Playing with autistic randos constantly is fucking miserable.
is there any reason to not throw sunforger into any boros equipment deck?
>>92746014>"its bullshit you get to play stuff for nothing">meanwhile, the blue player across the table is playing his third free counter of the game
>>92746049It's one of those cards that draws an undue amount of hate from people shitting and pissing their pants and expecting an immediate winning combo
>>92746014Yeah they're in the wrong. If they actually hate it they should run drannith or void mirror or just remove it Sounds like you're not even optimizing it with efficient mana or top deck manipulation so they shouldn't complain until you start doing stuff like at someone's end step world tutor emrakul or progenitus
>>92746064>>92746014My bad it's not cast. Not drannith but weathered runestone or something like it
>>92745780This style of alt art is fucking wankWhat happened to the 2x2Masters alt arts?
>>92746004There is nothing to rebut. The original post was very clearly judgmental in tone, pretending otherwise is just disingenuous
>>92746014Cheating costs is bullshit desu. Its dishonest magic.
>>92746094>being this insecure>yet calling other gutless fagslmao
>>92746049Not that i can think of. Maybe if you run very little things it can fetch for whatever reason. Lapse of certainty is my favorite card to get, its still pretty damn unknown by a lot of people. Reprieve is another one
>>92746112Nothing about any of my posts is insecure anon, you can't just say words and pretend they are applicable.
>>92746116>waah waah he judged me>immediate kneejerk ad hominem>still hasn't answered the question>not insecure
>>92746075They've got a lot of NFT art just lying around unused, this is how they're using it up.
>>92745986> and hold up interaction since you now know what you need to be worried aboutYeah, the hexproof creature isn't allowed to untap on T4. Knew that before the first card was shuffled. Doesn't change the outcome.> Thats what makes games fun anon, facing a challenge and then formulating a plan to overcome itThe solution to that challenge is not fun at all. I'm sorry your mother had to birth you.
>>92746118Calling you a gutless fag is not an adhom. You really need to grow up and learn what words mean anon :)
I love Tomb Raider!
>>92746140I want nothing to do with modern Tomb Raider.
>>92746126I dunno ive enjoyed playing against Narset. I wasn't raised by women though so I do enjoy an engaging and challenging game. If you just wanna durdle and jerk off you can play with yourself no ones stopping you from goldfishing 4 decks. Or yknow find people who also want long games and play with them its not very difficult or something to get upset over
>>92746151Well, we are on opposite sides of the spectrum. You shame durdlefags and I shame fastfags. You enjoy playing against narset and I am not lobotomized.
>>92746149Just glad that only 2 of the cards are nuLara, with one (the ship) having the kino quote from Legends. So besides Grim Whisper, they're all gorgeous and reminiscent of classic Lara.Can't be assed building her though...
>>92745954By playing this on turn 4
>Make a new deck>Absolutely btfo the table>Feel bad>Make a new deck>Do nothing and die>Feel bad>Make a new deck>Absolutely btfo the table >Feel bad>RepeatHow do I end the cycle and make a deck that doesn't absolutely dominate but doesn't sputter out and shit itself
>>92746265How often are you adjusting previously made decks instead of making new ones from scratch?
>>92746265Play a thief deck so you're always playing at the powerlevel of your table
>>92746295When I say make a new deck it's either from scratch or retooling old decks.
>>92745780This looks like Ulamog tried to bake pizza and the dough falls on his face as he fails to catch it on toss.
>>92746573Ulakek. Can't unsee.
>>92745954I have Stifled a Myriad Landscape and the person was stuck at 2 mana for several turns afterwards. I have Stifled countless T1 fetches too and it's always as great.
>>92746610>oh stifle yeah>go look>its 18$ok
>>92746725Since fucking when? Last time I remember it being expensive was when it got a reprint in Conspiracy and it was like 10 euros at that time, or people got 10 in store credits, I forgot which.
>>92745954If I'm playing a deck without green, I will basically always Narset's Reversal a Cultivate/Skyshroud/etc when given the chance.
>>92746816I mean it just hasn't been reprinted since (outside of an Amonkhet Invocation).
>>92743826>baitNo one argues with facts, that's retarded
>>92746265By playing the same deck more than once so you can see if it's actually good/bad and switch the problematic cards.Variance is a huge part of the game, maybe the games you won were because you drew the good cards while your opponents bricked and vice-versa
Thinking about making her a voltron commander, what cards make her get big fast?
>>92746846Mayhaps it will get a reprint in MH3 perchance.
>>92746967dockside extortionist, open up your wallet anon
>>92747008...how did I overlook such an obvious auto include??? With a good Dockside hit I could knock someone out of the game on like turn 2
>>92747030genuinely one of the most delusional posts ive ever seen
ban dockside
>>92747040Why?
>>92747044Dockside is a fair card, but Elesh Norn and Sorin are too powerful and must be banned
>>92747071Its so frustrating seeing these retarded talking heads writing these thought pieces using made up phrases and concepts. Its like reading wine reviews.
>>92747071I don't think I've ever seen the new elesh norn played yet
>>92747146me either, remember when it was 50$?
>>92747146People assumed it would become a universal staple because it's a legitimately good card in a vacuum, but since there's a constant stream of powerful cards being released every 5 seconds and chase mythics start their pre-release price at $50 it's very rare that many of these will hit your local table outside of a lucky pack pull, a paypig, or some proxy tryhard.
>>92747071>send card at the design stage to get evaluated>get 50% of your commander people to say "holy fuck dont print this what is wrong with you?">still print it anyway
>>92747245honestly based!
>>92747245Shows just how shitty their commander rc is desu
>love praetors>dislike stax>nearly every non-saga praetor comes with a stax abilityIt hurts, some of these tools would be nice to have but I don't want to stun my opponents out of being able to play because that's a lame wincon
>>92747071I agree with the idea of what they're saying even if they say it in a long-winded, retarded way.Lots of cards reward you just for playing the game without needing to build around them, so there's no reason not to include them because they're so good.As time goes on these must-includes pile up. You'll start making a deck, you've added in your lands, added in your staples and must-includes, and now you've only got 20 slots left to work with.It makes decks feel samey. And if you want to compete and have fun, you have to do it because everyone else is.
>>92747354smothering tithe, rhystic, cyclonic, the free spells, dockside
>>92747146I've played with and against it, and it's certainly strong but definitely not banworthy. I think a lot of players who were interested in getting it ended up just running Roaming Throne instead.
>>92747389Roaming Throne doesn't stax so it's more casual friendly and it has protection unlike Norn
>>92745373I just had folks over for 8 hours on Sunday at my shitty little condo. We played like 5 games of commander.Come on anon. Do you not host folks over for food and games ever?
>>92747354If only the RC had some means to shape the format away from generically powerful autoincludes
>>92747399>Roaming ThroneOverrated
>>92747402It's kind of amazing how much theoretical weight the RC have for a body of people who do absolutely nothing. They can't even use the excuse of just being groupies of Sheldon's that follow his ban picks (aka anything that made him feel personally sad during an EDH game) now that he's gone.
>>92747285I put it in my Tivit deck because it’s where I put most of my expensive cards
was looking through portal cards and saw this weird erratamaking an opponent skip combat is pretty decent to begin with, but making them skip their "at the start of combat" triggers feels like it could have a pretty significant ceilingworth running just for the novelty of fucking over specific kinds of decks or nah?
>>92747517Depends on how often you fight decks that trigger off combat damage or stuff like Combat Celebrant. I've found that fogs can be surprisingly handy, so even though you're telegraphing your fog early I could see this being a neat gotcha moment at least once.
>>92747542I'm thinking more like, if they skip the entire combat step, pic related doesn't trigger at all. Which is pretty different from them not being able to attack.
>>92745780So, all the Eldrazi with flash are must-includes, right? Since then you can copy your copies and go for 4x instead of just 2x
>>92738875I filled it with a lot of political cards, Xantcha, Humble defector, scheming symmetry, Stormfist Crusader etc as long as I balance out the bounty counters and other negatives most players keep me in the game until the end and the deck has big enough teeth to close out the game at that point.
>>92747285Sounds like you need better opponentsI always run 2 or so stax esque pieces to spice the game upAll that generally happens is it mildly inconveniences a couple of players and someone has to begrudgingly use their enchantment or whatever removalIt's a great facet of the game
>>92747517Speaking of weird errata, I was looking through the list of planeswalker commanders and didn't realize this got changed to be a viable commander. Mind you it's still from an Un-set so it's not technically legal most of the time, but I'm still happy they made that change.
>>92747693I feel as though that line is pointless. If you are already rule 0-ing silver border cards, you could just rule 0 him as your commander
>>92747693weird but kind of coolI don't even know how you'd go about building a deck for this as a commander
>>92747693>>92747721I think that it was a thing added back during the short amount of time silver bordered cards were legal and I don't think rulings get removed.
>>92747731You abuse Brainstorm style effects since you don't technically have a hand anymore.
>>92747746>Your program is still your hand. If you discard a card, it goes from your program to your graveyard.Never mind I'm a liar. I guess you could build a really low to the ground artifact deck that wants to vomit out it's hand quickly and cheaply and then use that last line to restock back to 5 cards each round.
>>92747693But it's not a creature
>>92747878card says it can be your commander, so it can. funnily it also applies to other formats with different types of commanders like oathbreaker
>>92744998fuck thats some badass flavor text
>>92745736if your job prevents you from having more than 1 hour of free time you are a loser who failed at life and are coping by seeking validation in magicif you actually got a good degree and a proper job you'd have plenty of time for your hobbies and the time debate would be a non issue. Good job revealing to the thread that you're probably some sad fuck in his 30s working at an Amazon warehouse or some other equally pathetic, time consuming job
the real reason commander is so powercrept is cuz it has to be in order to survive blue being the most disgusting color in the gamesorry but when you fags collectively decided it was ok to run 20 counters and fucking stifle land searches you declared war on actual magic players and the result is an arms race specifically to kill (You)Maybe in a few years when the problem only gets worse you guys will become mature enough to admit counterspells in any form shouldn't exist AT ALL
>>92748038Blue is literally one of the worst colors in edh you tard
>>92748038in response i cast disallow
New to Commander and want to have some fun with this guy and my new hydra deck. This would be best suited for a casual pod, right? I'm not running anything crazy or super expensive it's mostly ramp and hydras.
>>92748068Lmao, no. Blue is only bad in EDH if you're retarded and try and play it in the same way you would in a 1v1 format. It's still stupid good at controlling the flow of the game, still has trivial access to the most desirable mechanics, and still faces no relevant counterplay to its most powerful tool.
>>92748146yes it'd be good for casual. you basically have removal and ramp (for hydras) on a stick in the command zone, and ramping to 6 isn't very tough in green.
>>92748038>you guys will become mature enough to admit counterspells in any form shouldn't exist AT ALLCounterspells are fine conceptually, but their implementation blows complete ass and always has.Things like ward and hexproof should work on the stack, more colors should get consistent access to counterspells or other stack interaction, and counterspells should be slightly more expensive to cast across the board.
>>92747615what a cool guy
>>92748068that's why all the best edh decks run blue and 20 counters right? that's why all the cedh decks are blue thoracle right? Kill yourself bluefagMark Nosewater should be fucking tortured to death for pushing his bullshit color onto the game and annihilating balance just so the archetypes he likes remain dominant. Fucking faggot kike
>>92748038t. salty ass faggot butthurt he spent all his mana on one big dumb spell then got counterspelled and roflstomped
>>92748038>Wizards prints another free blue counterspell next year after MH3Heh nothing personnel
>>92748179What a normal response
>>92747553Shit like Liberator and Vedalken Orrery are almost certainly gonna be selling like hotcakes as well due to people trying to jam them into this deck before realizing they're more or less just winmore cards.Tangentially related, it could be neat to try and build Ulalek as a storm/spellslinger deck using shit like Wings of Velis Vel and the cheaper flash Eldrazi to double the storm triggers or copying a bunch of spells on the stack
>>92744970Ovika, Enigma GoliathEsix, Fractal Bloom
>>92748146I'm conflicted about that card, hydra's are fun and he's funbut every time I played him I always ran into the same issue, it always has a bit of a hollow "I could have been playing Zaxara, do the exact same thing and been better at it" Even if you're not doing degenerate combos with Zaxara he's still a great hydra tribal commander
>>92748179I always thought Rosewater's favourite colour was green - hence some cards are called "Maro Maro's something".
>>92748038yeah I'm not sure what wotc were thinking, you cannot create cards that allow you to lock others out of the game without also making cards so powerful they can win the game on resolution to balance it outthis was inevitable
>>92748068Objectively wrong anon, be real with yourself because you know blue is the strongest, and likley always will be
>>92748243Same logic used when playing Zaxara though, a constant feeling of I should have tutored freed from the real.>>92748146Anon Gargos is cool, mostly just ramp and hydras will work out well for a casual pod. Running a few protective spells like snakeskin veil and withstand death doubles up as removal.
>>92748225>Esix, Fractal BloomAm I dumb or does Esix+Hornet Queen make 4 token copies if hornet queen and 16 1/1 insects?
>>92748313thats what it does. Dont tell this anon about rite of replication
>>92748038counterspells shouldn't cost less than 4 manacards are created with their effects and mana costs under the assumption they will not be countered. The reason blue runs rampant is its a removal tool that cards are not balanced around. If everyone had stack interaction and all permanents were cheap to cast with the assumption you will stack battle to resolve every card then that's one thingbut that's not how the game is designed. In any objective capacity the game is not intended to support counters. That's why it's so incredibly strong in the first place. Super fucked up
>>92748313correct. other fun targets include manlands for ramp, threefold thunderhulk, and terastadon
>>92748336>cards are created with their effects and mana costs under the assumption they will not be counteredno, they're not. cards are designed with the basic game mechanics in mind, of which counterspells are one
>>92748336Pretty much. Counters being restricted to a single color is a thing that never should've happened, having a huge mechanic be this insular is a massive problem. It's like if black were the only color with effect that can remove creatures directly, while everyone else is limited to combat damage to do so.
>>92748375Basic game mechanics shouldn't be available to only one color. A mechanic available to only one color can't be basic.
how to deal with an UR dragon nigger . Eminence is broken af imo .
>>92748328>>92748361Dang that's cool
>>92748336basically this and the fact that counters are cheaper than real removal spells too is simply cartoonish clown balance
>>92748396counterspells exist in many colors
So, my friends are all playing MTG comander, I have some old cards but not many, my LGS has a ton of 10cent commons/baduncommons ect, from pretty much every set.Any idea's for DIRT cheep comander decks you can think about? I'm thinking of taking my white banding deck, and just adding a bunch of cheep white monsters that play well together
>>92748295true enough, though I feel there's a difference between using freed from real to put a bunch of gigantic hydra on the board and give everyone 1 turn to find a solution to them, or using it to torment of hailfire That said, our group mostly has a general "no tutors" informal rule, so playing Zaxara feels a lot better
>>92748411thats because removal still gives the opponent some value via etb triggers and usually "creature dies" triggers in exchange for less strict timing requirements
>>92748168Ward and hexproof should NOT work on the stack that's an awful idea.As it stands blue is basically the only answer in the game to a fuckton of insanely pushed cards that basically read "You can't remove this card and even if you do it got value on etb". Atraxa is such a good card in casual EDH because it's a cEDH-tier effect that most colors have no reasonable way to deal with. It doesn't help that blue itself is actually having (some) trouble from all the powercreep being concentrated on creatures given how many counterspells now specify "noncreature".We need more counterspells in other colors (as you suggested) and better removal, not blanket nerfs. Trading one-to-one on removal in EDH already sucks major ass unless it literally stops you from losing because you're going down against two other players.
>>92748430>thats because removal still gives the opponent some valuethat's exactly why it should be less expensive and counters should be more expensive, taking away 100% value should be more costly than taking away 50% value
>>92748449>gggrrr that damn atraxa player drawing cards, I need to counter that!>btw will you guys pay for my rhystic :3
>>92748453the timing restriction is more valuable than the value loss. a spell you don't counter can never be countered after it leaves the stack. a spell that you don't remove is a spell you can still remove later. removal is more expensive because it is much more forgiving. you can draw into removal if you don't have one, but you can only draw into a counter while the spell is on the stack. you should play a mono blue deck for a bit and see how the other half lives on this one
>>92748406Board wipes. Eminence is broken.
>>92748464at least with rhystic there's the factor it's in the 99you actively need to draw it early to get full value out of it, later on everyone will just be paying the 1having that level of card advantage in the commander zone is however ridiculous
>>92748416Only on the most technical level. Every counterspell outside of blue is either restricted by a condition as to what it can counter, or has a way for the other player to negate the counter effect, or isn't a counter at all (Reprieve/Lapse of Certainty effects). The strongest case for a clean counter outside of blue is Tibalt's Trickery, and that comes with a pretty substantial downside attached.So no, counterspells don't exist in many colors, not really. They exist as very rare color breaks that never measure up to the most basic Counterspell, and certainly not any of the many improved versions.
>>92748464that's the first thing I thought too bluenigs are the most hypocritical deranged losers I've ever seen in my fucking life. It genuinely brings me joy whenever there's more than one control player in a game because someone inevitably casts teferi and they just can't handle being forced to play actual magic where cards can hit the field
>>92748487>a 7 mana commander is ridiculousmeanwhile noncreature 7 mana spells can win the entire game on the spot and be made uncounterable a good chunk of the time.Atraxa for her cost is perfectly balanced
>>92748488these are not technicalities, you were just wrong. you guys should really play a mono blue commander deck for a bit and see how the game works from that standpoint
>>92748422define dirt cheap a little more specifically and I can probably help you. also any notable cards you already have can help
>>92748525>these are not technicalities, you were just wrongName at least three counterspells outside of blue that are equal to Counterspell. Hell, name a single one. I'll wait.
>>92748582>nooo blue can't have the best version of a mechanic thats unfairseriously, play a blue deck and you'll see the cracks in your argument.
>>92748597Realistically speaking, blue has the only version of the mechanic, that was the whole point. The gulf in ability to counter spells between blue and every single other color goes way beyond shit like "green has the biggest creatures". The statement of counters being a "basic mechanic", when not a single card in any color that isn't blue can measure up to the most basic version of the effect, is fucking retarded. They're not a basic mechanic. And if they are supposed to be, then their implementation is complete dogshit.
>>92748179>all decks run 20 countersCounterspells in cedh decks usually cap out at 5-7>thoracle Mainly only a wincon in blue farm, everywhere else its incidental and breach is preferable >maroLikes green the most
>>92748396What? That's the color pie lmao you're a retard
>>92748643they are a basic mechanic; every color except black has a "counter target blue spell" type card, which exists to keep blue counters in check while not extending the interaction mechanic too far.
Any fun ideas for this mad lad? Winning optional, trolling priority. Devil/demon tribal recs also appreciated.
>take like 10 minutes to fully resolve my turn where my aristocrats popped off >Won the game before the next end step>Pod all bitches that my turn was too long and boring >Next game>Playing something else, one opponent swaps to izzet precon slightly upgraded>Took like 15 minutes to finish his turn 3 turns in a row>Pod says nothing about itI fucking hate it here, I just want to sac creatures, man
DinoBros, are there good non-dinosaur creatures to put in a dino deck that outweigh the benefit of Kaheera companion?
>>92748464Atraxa is blue. Someone can run both of those in the same deck.>>92748491Teferi is a noncreature spell so the best way to answer him is with a counterspell because the instant speed removal from every other color either doesn't work at all (can't target planeswalkers), or doesn't work until you've already lost. I know you enjoy this narrative where it's only the blue player running interaction but that's a great way to just let someone resolve Underworld Breach and lose to an infinite.
>>92748731aristocrats is the shittiest version of a long turn because you can't just have a conversation because all of your triggers impact them in some way so you have to sit there and be present for every one of your nickel and dime shenaniganry. also for some reason every aristocrats shitter has NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT THEIR TRIGGERS ARE
>>92748720archfiend of the dross, demonic pact, immortal coil, lich's mastery, lich's tomb, colfenor's plans, experimental frenzy, grid monitor, steel golem. there's some other great ones too but these are a start
This card is so fucking good. Been playing it in Knights and turning any 2-drop Knight into Haakon and replaying the Knight you sacced feels great. Then you can chain higher and still have access to Haakon out of the graveyard. And being able to jump types with changelings to get anything is just nuts. Genuinely more fun than Birthing Pod
>>92748731>>92748756I feel like this is why my buddies would give me the long turn pass but grill another of our friends. I've been playing the longest, I think they assume my long turns involve lots of planning, and they do usually amount to non-deterministic combos I am attempting to end the game with. Meanwhile the player who gets flack is newer than the rest and is known for bad plays, such as taking 4+ extra turns back to back and being unable to find a win from it. I think everybody HAS to watch his turn because he might mess something up honestly.
>>92748422If you want to do banding I'd suggest this version of Elesh Norn, you can split the damage between the whole band and get a shit ton of triggers to drain people. You can also use lot of the old common en-Kor cards that can redirect damage around your board for more drain. Add a couple anthems like Thraben Watcher and Honor of the Pure or indestructible stuff like Selfless Spirit so your creatures can take some punishment.
>>927449706+ cmc commanders don't work without expensive fast mana rocks
>>92749339This. I proxied jeweled lotus and all the fast mana for both my Szadek and Sisters of Stone death decks
>>92745373If you don't have time to play then don't. I hate fags who demand games be short. I don't want short games.
>go through all my bulk and just scan every card>put aside everything over 5 bucks>end up with over 500 is value>bunch of cards I forgot I had and dont use>random cards that are 8 dollars for some reason
if I need a commander for the following deck:>a bunch of cheap evaders like changeling outcast>a pile of cheap power equipment what should I look for mechanically?
>>92749568ardenn and someone else for colors
>>92749565Are you me? That is exactly what I have been doing this week
>>92749565>>92749607I did the same thing last year and realized that all my most expensive cards were ether red or white so I just threw them all into one deck... it sorta works but it'll never leave my house cuz it's worth like almost 2 grand
>>92749568ninjas
>kickass art>shit abiltyany ideas on how to save her?
>>92749871modular artifact creatures and cost reduction
>>92749568a lot of hte unblockables are rogues, so go for them. they do cool shit
>>92747615i always wanted to build him, he seems to provide a fun twist to group hug with his bounties, but i felt like i got a weak durdle pile.have a list?
>>92749483Then play with other people who want short games? Make some friends or find the like minded people at the LGS. You are not forced to do anything lmao
>>92749984>Make some friends or find the like minded people at the LGS.you are asking an incredible amount of your average /edh/ browser
>>92749924rogues sound good
please bake im banned from making OPs
respect him.
>>92744147u got a decklist? I'm curious what kinda elfball has this slamin potential
>>92750269you got it bud>>92750369>>92750369>>92750369
