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Dare to Hold my Butte?

Timber Wolf is the true essence of all Mechs.
Timber Wolf is best in class. Dire Wolf is giant Timber Wolf. Marauder is inner sphere Timber Wolf. Jenner is fast Timber Wolf. Human beings are meat Timber Wolves. Make sure you field all Timber Wolf units. The Battle Value is high (and so are the c-bills) but they are best and truest of all mechs.

If I want a lance v lance battle to go quicker, is it better to have lighter mechs that are more fragile or heavier mechs with more armor but also more potent weapons and lesser TMMs?

>>92736704
lower TMMs with more and better weapons. Try stuff that doesnt jump either, so you can hit and get hit easier.

For those guys who had low pledge levels and $0 shipping, check your shit again. Mine finally updated this morning. $150 pledge, $36 shipping.

>>92736729
Sending is almost 1/4 of the pledge....fuck. Its inside the US or international?

>>92736719
I'm thinking 1 med, 2 heavies, and an assault per side would be good.

>>92736757
Drop the assault mech, go 2 meds/2 Heavies. Also depends on the era, but if you playing Clan Invasion at least, include some mechs with gausses and UAC/20.

>>92736741
Its US. For what its worth, I just went to Ares Games and added the clan invasion box, 5 force packs, and 8 salvage boxes to my cart and it came out to $21 in shipping. I doubt the few other kickstarter extras justify the $15 more in shipping they're charging.

>>92736802
We'll be playing introtech, so hopefully we get some ammo explosions.

>>92736626

>t. Clan Coyote

Are there any factions, units or mechs that are strongly associated with Poland? Any regions in lyran space maybe?

>>92736814
You dont understand, they are not overcharging you, you are contributing to the "Lets gets Loren a new chink-style Gazebo" Fund.

>>92736834
Then go 2 slow meds/2 Heavies. Add stuff with LRM/15s and 20s and AC/10-20s. Hunchbacks, Centurions, Thuds, Archers, Warhammers, etc. Avoid stuff that can get +3 TMM like Wolvies/Shads/Pixies.

>>92736856
I only have the 2 sets of the AGOAC mechs and the urban force pack.

>>92736845

Expecting FASA to have known any countries beyond "Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Germany, Russia, Asians" is very bold of you anon.

More seriously, the only time I can remember Poland being brought specifically brought up up in a non-gauss rifle situation was in one of the Tikhonov planets - Poznan I think.

Also Sarna is one of the major Capellan Commonalities and I'm pretty sure Sarna is a place in Poland - but Space Sarna is more associated with warcrimes, being owned by the FedCom for a long time, and those wacky Thuggees.

If you want to me guess even further, I know that the most southern Provinces of the Hogs were noted to have more Eastern Europeans and Arabs than actual Scandihoovians. Based on some of the planet names, and the fact Rasalhague was settled by people pissed at the Russians, you might find some Poles there, or across the border in Donegal.

As for Polish units - that's a bit harder to track. The Cappies seem to have a lot of units with general Slavic "Hussar" theming, but its not so clear if any are trying to ape a specific Slavic nation, and if so, its probably Russia.

I'd check out the 1st and 2nd Liao Hussars.

>>92736911
Thud/Cataputl/Beemer/Hunchie
vs
Thud/Cataputl/Victor/Enforcer

The second lance its a bit more mobile thanks to the JJs

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Whats the gothiest faction in Battletech?

Could be the Dracs with their Night Stalkers and love of night combat in general.

Or maybe the Snow Ravens because pic related, and being in space all the time makes you pale.

Or even certain parts of the Cappies like the Thuggees. Or the Hogs with their Dracula swag.

>>92735079

NEA, why do you have jumping jack on a jump infantry platoon? Don't infantry not pay movement penalties for shooting?

>>92737107
Make a cappellan warrior house founded in the era of xin sheng, out of asian babes that look like morticia adams, and have them all use stealth armour mechs.

There is even a stralth armour cataphract and victor they make. So you dont have to be lightweight.
Paint the unit like the crow. Jet black everything except the face. The face is ghost white. Maybe some tasteful red and or gold trims or accents.

Thats fonna be the spoopiest goth-est you're gonna get.
Bonus points if they also happennto be some of kalis thugee death cultist crazies too.

>>92737107
Really really edgy pirates? A larping mercenary company?

>>92737107
Devlin Stone is the most gothic leader of the lot, so the Republic probably counts as the most gothic nation.

>>92737482

I'm gonna need some backup on that one.

>>92737390
I would have argued Circinus myself, them going about in all black, until the Jihad killed them off.

>>92737264
Any Blakist mechs we could mix in here if we are going full Thuggee?

>>92737650
>I'm gonna need some backup on that one.

>Germanic
>tear tatoo under one eye
>in a constant state of angst ever since he broke outta camp
>also insanely charismatic
>rides a black mech with a skeleton painted all over it

>>92736626
>Marauder is Inner Sphere Timber Wolf
That's a weird way to spell Catapult

Is there any reason to use Mechanical Jump Boosters over jump jets? Would they be a suitable replacement on lighter mechs or are they just meme equipment?

>>92736925
There are a couple of planets that are polish heritage. There was an attempt to write up a space Poland faction here, but it fissled out.

>>92737801
>but it fissled out.
Like Dresden on the 16th of February, yes.

>>92737801
Tons of honkeys and polacks all over. Aren't they in Marik space? I don't think there are any polack clanners. Funny because clanners are the stupidest white people in the setting.

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>>92737856
>>92737801
>>92736925

Barring Poznan which was already mentioned, this is the only mention of the Polish I've seen in Battletech outside of earth history.

Never heard of any Poles in FWL, which seems odd, but there you go.

>>92737799
Yes. Yes and no. Asked and answered.

>>92737799
Imagine sticking one on an already fast ground-bound mech, like a Commando or Locust or even a Fireball. Could help them clear rough terrain I suppose.

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>>92737907
Dig a little deeper, there might be a specific planet in that region that justifies the use of Polish as a language. Least it's been narrowed down to one region.

>>92738125
There are multiple Eastern Yuros in FWL. Some in Dracos and Cappies. And definitely lots of Polacks in C*

>>92737799
They've got some advantages. They work underwater, use zero heat, and take up the same number of crit slots no matter how far they jump. They also aren't limited to walk speed, you could make a 2/3/14 Urbanmech (with 0.5 tons of armor and no guns) if you really wanted to.
They can also be combined with jump jets. You can't use both systems at the same time, but you can have both on the same unit. Importantly, you can have MJB on the same unit as UMUs, and you can't mix JJs and UMUs. MJB is the only way to have both a swim speed and a jump speed.

The downsides are pretty bad though. You can't change facing while jumping, you start and land in the same orientation no matter which way you jump. The unit weighs 5% per MP, rounded up to the nearest half ton, which is a lot of weight. Just getting 1 jump on a 20 ton mech is a whole ton, but getting it on a 100 ton mech is 5 tons. A 100 ton jump jet only weighs 2 tons and that's already too heavy for a lot of designers. Also you can't DFA since you can't adjust to hit a moving target.
Overall, being able to spring out of water and not generating any heat might be the best reasons to use the system, but it's iffy due to the weight.

>>92738017
I think you missed the joke

>>92738125
Wroclaw potentially has a Polish background, but nothing has been written about the history of the planet. predlitz has a Polish population as well.

>>92738313
Marik is a Polish/Czech name.

damn, MechCommander 2 Katrina was hot. Why do they draw illusts that's uglier than an actual actor again?

May have scored an old Introductory Box Set for 10 bucks I'll post it when I pick it up today

>>92738909
As you may have noticed, most BT artists already struggle with drawing machines, and have even greater difficulty drawing human beings even with references to copy off of.

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>>92738154
Now I want a Charger that drops the engine to a reasonable size, but uses mechanical jump boosters to jump 8. Swap the small lasers for small pulse lasers, just for the lulz.

>>92739147
32 tns just in mechanical jump boosters if i am not wrong.

>>92739166
Yup. It's exactly the kind of nonsense that fits perfectly with a Charger.

>>92739147
>>92739166
>>92739192
>HAHA
>Time to hide in Lvl2 water holes.

>>92739192
>Take the -1A1
>Drop to 3/5, add 8 Mech Mechanical Jump Boosters
>Still have 10tns free for weapons, armor and shit

>>92737856
Amusingly enough, the founding Khans of none other than Clan Burrock had a rather Polish-sounding last name which later became a Bloodname - Polczyk.

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>>92739192
So this one I slapped MASC on so it can do a max range charge attack that does 104 points of damage...

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custom centurion for an animation. has an ultra ac-10 and 4 medium lasers instead of the missile launcher. some armor is stripped to accomodate more heat sinks/exchangers

I read that ultra auto-cannons seem to require magnetic ammo... how easy would it be for your average merc lance to get a hold of it? specifically in the era immediately prior to the clan invasion

>>92736925


Seriously you can't throw a rock without hitting a few Scots in the 31st century.

>>92739227
With a 3/5 engine, you'll have 54.5 tons free, 32 in sproings, so 22.5 left over. That's enough to actually make it do stuff. If it was a 4/6, you'd have 10.5 tons left.

>>92739276
Yeah, but any polack idiocy is eclipsed by the East Slavic retardation of Kerensky himself.
But even the Space irishman are underrepresented considering how visible the Morgans and Kells are. I think FASA hated Catholics or just wanted them to be repped by C* in the setting

>>92739276
>>92737907

And the Polcyzk twins were from the RWR, which then lost its planets to the outer provinces of the LC, including Alarion, so I guess we can take a stab at Poles being in at least the Timbuktu or Erdvynn provinces.

>>92739363

No, but by Battletech, Scotland was like, the most important country in space travel.

The FWL and Lyrans both have Scots through Skye and Stewart, and those Stewart Scots then went all throughout the periphery. Sarna also had Scots on Glasgow to the point that the Liaos became Scotaboos. Then there's Northwind with its Scots.
They only tried to later mask this by just using the generic term "British" to refer to places instead of Scottish so you could presume there were a bunch of I guess English people there too.

>>92739399
The setting really flip-flops on how Irish Donegal Province of Donegal is. But in general, the Lyran Commonwealth itself tends to flip flop on its Germanish, from "mainly the Steiners and nobility are LARPing Germans" to "Everywhere is German except Skye".

>>92739384
No wait, I just calculated that completely wrong. But still, that's 12.5 tons if you clear out the small lasers. Workable for a Charger.

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Thoughts on the Lynx? I want to like him, but it's so damn expensive for what it does, compared to other cavalry/trooper mechs like the Uziel, the Pixie, or some Wolvie variants.

>>92739487
No, wait again, I was right, I just forgot to clear out the existing armor. You get 22.5 tons total with a 3/5/8 80 tonner.

>>92739384

I actually and genuinely want to run this mech now. I'll see if I can talk my FLGS group into letting me run the 3/5/8 Charger.

>>92739384
>Add Partial Wing...you know you wanted it....

>>92739337
Magnetic ammo? Where did you read that?

>>92739330
What program did you use for the sheet? HMP?

>>92739518
I thought that HMP got discontinued? One of the grogs in my area won't shut up about how it was the only good mech design software and that he can't get it to run anymore

>>92739476
>>92739399

Battletech cultural markers are a bit odd because they're based on a particular estimate which may be outdated.

The idea is that the most advanced nations and regions formed the Terran Hegemony, and everyone else got stuck going further out.

However, FASAs idea of what the most advanced nations were was basically "North America + Russia". They still saw Asian countries as still developing and so had power bases further out along with the smaller European countries like Britain and Germany. Then the poor countries would be left heading way far out, or filling in the gaps.

Today the idea of Russia being able to into space at any point in the future is absolutely laughable, as their space program goes down the toilet more and more each day.

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Behold, a man.

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>>92739563
And a proof of concept man. Drop a few tons of armor and you could really do some nonsense with this setup.

>>92739557
Russia is almost invisible in the setting except Tikanov and Kerensky himself. I guess Marik are supposed to be space Hapsburgs or Russians or Poles, but FWL is more NO IDENTITY than all the other houses.

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>Techs with too much money and free time

>>92739611
>>92739563

Amazing. I'm away from my computer at the moment otherwise I'd have drawn up the plans myself, but yes, this is pretty much exactly what I had envisioned.

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>novel where the focus is on capellans/capellan space
i sleep.

>>92739518
I used the mech factory app for Android to build this.

>>92739708
Cool!

>>92739692
The only good cappellans have funmanchu mustache and are mysterious and inscrutable schemers

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>>92739651

Yeah, its the same reason America itself is invisible in the setting beyond some scraps. It's presumed they were part of the Terran Hegemony. If the game was started today, I'd guess the TH would be America+China instead of America+Russia.

Also the Mariks are explicitly Czech.

>>92739490
It passes the Gauss-check on all frontal locations, it packed the side torsor with sinks. Like it seems as good at running without dying as an IS XL-engine will ever get.

If you just need the guns, a Night Hawk, Talon or Falcon Hawk will do.

>>92739557
>Today the idea of Russia being able to into space at any point in the future is absolutely laughable, as their space program goes down the toilet more and more each day.
Hate to be a spoilsort, but the regular flights to the ISS were russian rockets.

>>92739789

Please carefully read what I posted. Yes, Russia historically was important in space travel. Hence FASA presuming they would be an important player in the future.

However, as of 2024, the idea of Russia still being a major space power into the era of insterstellar flight is, as said, laughable. Every day Russia is slipping further and further behind Europe, Japan, China and India. Even if its still doing some ISS stuff, Russia's space program is a serious downgrade compared to the Soviet version.

>>92739789
That has far more to do with the simplicity of the Soyuz where even the vatniks can't fuck it up rather than any kind of Russian genius engineering. There's a reason that the USA is still pushing boundaries with stuff like the Curiosity helicopter on Mars or the JWST, and all Russia does is taxi to orbit in the ball capsule that hasn't changed in 70 years.

Even Imdia is doing better than Russia in terms of exploration even if their manned program isn't as mature as the Chinese who have also flown past anything Russia can do these days.

Speaking of India, where'd their colonists wind up in the Inner Sphere. I'm aware of the united Hindu collective, but not any other enclaves.

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>>92739563
From a practical standpoint, 8 jump on a max armor zombie is obviously good, but the inability to change facing in the same turn you jump could be a problem. Something like this might be a little better. If you can shoot almost as well forward as backwards, then the inability to turn shouldn't be as bad.

>>92739147
Can you charge with those though? If not it's not really a charger. What are you gonna do? Jump 8 then kick them?

>>92739928

I mean, sure it's harder to backstab, but any of the 3 adjacent sides are front arc and with torso twist you get 5/6 hex facings covered. Also you're an 80 tonner with a full armor slab and you'll have a +4 modifier to be hit like you're a goddamn Spider. The need to backstab is significantly lessened from a survivability standpoint.

>>92739963
Jump 8 and punch twice, and unload like 10 small lasers.

It's not an optimal mech, just a goofy and fun mech.

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>>92739871
>That has far more to do with the simplicity of the Soyuz where even the vatniks can't fuck it up rather than any kind of Russian genius engineering.
Yes, they lift, bro.

>>92739509

sarna. something about ultra's having a magnetic reloading system

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Hellion E
>2 heavy meds
>4 flamers
>2 AP gauss
>SRM4
>MASC
>ECM
i'm gonna be having some fun tonight.

>>92737223

Random SPA generator. Non-Mech like units on OPFOR get rolled in pairs for game management purposes. So a pair of Vedettes would have the same SPA. In the scale of games we run, it's easier to track stuff that way. So both infantry platoons rolled up an SPA, and generated a movement SPA. Nothing says that an SPA has to be immediately useful to the unit which has it; we had an OPFOR Blitzkrieg with the Heavy Lifter SPA a few scenarios ago.

The only controls I have on the random generator are that stationary units cannot receive Piloting SPAs, and that a Gunnery SPA has to involve a weapon that's actually on the unit when the unit has only a single weapon type. So a Saladin crew would never have Weapon Spec Medium Laser - if Weapon Spec comes up, it'll always be AC/20, because Saladin. That's actually what happened to the SRM turrets. I generated a "x2 SPA" result, got Cluster Hitter and Dodge. Since a turret cannot spend MP and therefore is ineligible to use the Dodge SPA, I rerolled into a Gunnery SPA and got Sandblaster. Which I'm sure the PCs will appreciate.

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The okayest of mechs is now an ok jumpy sniper.

>>92739991
I'm thinking more if things try to backstab you after you jump right into their face. You can't easily spin around and go after that light mech attacking you from range 4+ while you give its LRM friend a disco show.

Dragon 5K/C or 7K?

>>92740039
Hellion just seems like a great mech across its variants. Some might be questionable but it's never outright bad.

>>92740222
i've had really disappointing experiences with it so far, might try the E and see if that reverses my fortunes.

noob question. why is it important to have head armor+structure > 10 and (in light mech's case) leg armor > 8?

>>92739871
Not explicit but Hindus are all over. Suns has them, as does cappies and tons of peripherary.

>>92740247
For both cases it's about not getting crippled by a single shot from common medium ordnance like PPC shots and AC/10's.
For the light leg armor, it's a similar concept. If you're going for optimization, you need to be able to take a hit from a large laser, a weapon mounted on many of the premium light mech hunters (fx phoenix hawks)

>>92740247
Head is where your pilot is, greater than 10 basically means only a big gun can take you out in one hit.
If you damage a leg bad enough it'll kill your speed, and for lights speed is really their defense. Gazelle hurts a leg it's only a matter of time before the lion eats it.

>>92740247
If your head+structure is less than 10, then anything that does 10 will instantly kill you on a headshot. A lot of things do 10 damage.

>>92740348
>>92740357
>>92740368
thanks. is headshot happen that often? or rare but when it happens it sucks so precaution?

>>92740433
Murphy's law. The very moment you think you're invincible in a hill, behind a wall, and in a forest, is the moment some fucker with a PPC tries it on and bingos your 7 head armoured mech. Because battletech is a game where luck hates you and fate has a sense of humor.

Looks like powermetal anon's youtube channel got hacked and nuked by a crypto scam. Anyone have any backups?

>>92740433
1/36 seems like low odds but it doesn't take that many games until one of your mechs has been hit by a PPC or ac/10 36 times.

>>92740497
Is that just a rite of passage for BT youtubers?
BPL got hit with something similar last year didn't they?

>>92739871

Indians are generally all over the place.

There seem to be a lot of them along the border of the Fedsuns/Cappies. So you get the UHC, and then the Thuggees in Sarna. I think Hindi was spoken in St. Ives too.

Then you have Regulus, which seems to be more Northern India/Persia.

Similar to Regulus, Bolan Province of the LC is where you'd get Northern Indians and Pakistanis.

Lastly, its mentioned that there were a lot of Indian and Chinese out on the rim of the LC, implying they were once Rim Worlders. Planets like New India.

>>92740497
Wasn't it all posted in an earlier thread?

>>92740556
I believe he deleted the vocaroos since they were on Youtube now. Not to mention there was no vocaroo for "Titan of Treason", it was only on Youtube.

>>92737107
Cute goth? Snow Raven. Creepy goth? Wobblies

>>92740433
Would you like me to regale you the tale of my last match where my buddy got 7 head shots in a single match?

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>>92737907

Not quite, it looks like there are Poles in the Sarna March/Sarna Commonality, if not many.

I'd be really curious about more information on the Sarna Supremacy. You get a lot of interesting hints about them - this idea that they had more Russian/Spanish/Vietnamese speakers than Chinese, the references to them being religious-political nutcases back in the day, the funny stories in original Liao book, the fact they got Thuggee cults there.

>>92740527
yeah, he got the channel back again though. i wish he'd go back on twitter too.

>>92740607
not yet, give it time

>>92740607
Yes, flee as fast as you can before it turns you gay.

>>92740592
what book do i need to read for these kind of fluff?

>>92740607
There's been a few hiccups, and the community managers are uber cunts.
However the game and setting is mostly untouched, so it's pretty easy to ignore.
At the end of the day Battletech has always been kept alive by a fervent core audience. If things get too bad we can let the company die and the game will still live on.

Now scram tourist

how much information/knowledge get shared inside the comstar itself? Like, comstar A in region X not knowing about a project/expedition in region Y, or comstar B keeping certain things to himself and not telling A kind of thing happen?

>>92740569
either you're exaggerating or the dice have been cheated

>>92740607
yes now fuck off.

>>92740640

The original house books are a nice place to start, but you can also go for the newer Handbooks if you want fluff that goes up to pre-Jihad.

>>92740649
Most of Comstar barely knows anything outside of their jobs. The average HPG operator knows that Comstar wants to see anything particularly spicy that gets sent through their HPG, and may occasionally have some confidential orders with underhanded results, but they're not in on anything ROM or the Comguard or any other division gets up to. The guys running the bank might sometimes get orders to do some spooky financial wizardry, but they're not reading people's mail or aware of any mail reading fuckery going on three buildings down at the main HPG station.

Through the gates of hell
As we make our way to heaven
Through the Comstar lines
Primo victoria

On the 1st of May
On the cities of Tukayyid 3052
D-day upon us

>>92740607
Play the game, ignore the community managers, don't buy the official products if you don't want to. There's resources and troves if you look hard enough, and so fucking many ways of getting good 3D printed mechs that CGL cannot and will not supply that you need to at least have an office supply store nearby to do 3d printing of your favourite stompy robot.

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>>92740607
Most named characters get married and/or breed out of wedlock, so it has always been a peak degenerate homosexual universe god would smite if he were real.

But it's never been woke. FASAnomics make a mess outta things, politics are about as libertarian as D&D and race sits somewhere between not being a political category to being on the level of a soccer fan club membership. As in people occasionally target and kill each other over not being of the right one, but it's generally considered deplorable and ridiculous to do so.

>>92740703
Feels like you just gave up on that last part

>>92740754
That's how the song goes though. Blame Sabaton, not him.

can you guys help a noob choosing mechs for 3025? I picked out some mechs (to my noob eyes) that are similar in points and role but not sure if i was right or if i missed something. could you guys help me to choose?
>JVN-10F vs. JR7-D
>GRF-1S vs. WVR-6M (which one gets more used? lrm or srm?)
>GHR-5H vs. GLT-3N
>TDR-5SE vs. TDR-5SS(like, how important is jumpjet?)
>CGR-1A5 vs. VTR-9B
>Highlander at all?

>>92741187

You have a faction in mind, or just mercs?

>>92741187
So, I can tell you how to play the game. Or you can field this force and learn by doing.

Be careful, I only give bad advice.

Apparently there's some kind of BT fiction bundle available on the Humble Bundle, with around 71 novels available for $30 or so. While I've been reading up on the setting since the early Mechwarrior 2 days, I haven't really gotten the chance to read up on much of the fiction. Would this be a good way to brush up on the lore of the setting while reading some okay science fiction stuff? I've heard that the author quality amongst the BT novels can vary quite a bit.

>>92741155
Well then sabaton is shit at music. Find a better band.

>>92741232
mercs
>>92741259
well, bad advice is better than spending money for models and regret i guess

>>92741267

Nah, anon dropped like 4 syllables, so the metre of the song got messed up.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qVHyl0P_P-M

>>92741267
Funny you mention that because based on powermetal anon's songs, he's heavily inspired by Sabaton.

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How does this seem as a civil war era drac lance?

>>92741495
Pretty garbage. Paying tonnage for a C3M you aren't using. The Caesar is pure shit regardless. The Grand Dragon is a slightly fat medium, not a heavy. And the 2R Marauder is a Star League mech and you're a sue for including it.

Plan to be fighting a Davion medium lance composed of a Devastator, Nightstar, Templar, and Centurion. How are you going to beat that?

>>92741187
So it very strongly depends on what you're trying to do; I could tell you which of those two for all of them I like better, but some of them pair up better than any one of them alone and some of them I'd choose for reasons other than just their loadouts. For example, you got a GLT-3N and a GHR-5H on there. They are very similar battlemechs, within a ton of each other for armor and trading between an SRM-6 and an LRM-5 with the same movement profiles, but the GLT-3N is a Star League Era unicorn virtually found mostly elite House Kurita formations after the fall of the league while the GHR-5H was a workhorse for both house forces and mercenaries throughout the inner sphere since its introduction.

On the other hand, it speed matches with the VTR-9B, meaning a formation of a GHR-5H, a GLT-3N and a VTR-9B would be a solid urban combat lance. Run that with the TDR-5SE and you have an pretty solid offensive line that could manuever and crush its way through an city-center.

Do you have a faction and era you like or are you just gonna be some mercenaries? In absence of additional info, my individual pics would be as follows:
>JR7-D over JVN-10F, they're more common and unless you need the jump capability I think the SRMs are worth
>GRF-1S ties with WVR-6M, GRF-1S has fewer bins to blow up but if the WVR-6M gets in it can pick a better fight in close quarters.
>GHR-5H over GLT-3N, just cause it's a lot more probable, GLT-3N if you're bringing honor to the dragon
>TDR-5SE over the TDR-7SS, but that's just because I have a jumpjet fetish
>VTR-9B over the CGR-1A5, but not just because I have a jumpjet fetish: being able to jump into back arcs with that AC20 can turn a dangerous ambush into a fatal one
>There can be only one baby...Highlanders are a good assault. I'd double check MUL for availability depending on your era though, cause it's not only a SLDF hanger queen, but originally a gauss SLDF hanger queen

>>92741563
People could and did make new production royal design mechs once they had the tech to do it. A 2r isn't even all that impressive by the civil war era.

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>>92741763
Nah, he's right. Royals only get general schematics with the Dallas Core in 3074. Even the exceedingly-permissive MUL only has Clanners with it from old stocks until the Taurians put it back in production post-Dallas Core.

>>92741872
All it is, is taking a 3R and adding DHS, ERPPCs and FF armour. Not that hard to do as a refit.

>>92741880
Doesn't matter. It's an extinct unit in a year where it doesn't exist. That's never acceptable. I wouldn't allow you to bring a T-55 to a 1944 WW2 game either.

>>92741880
"I could theoretically do this" is not the same as "Did people actually do this in universe"

And guess what? They didn't and it doesn't belong. If you want tech level restrictions do that for a match. If you want year fluff restrictions, do that. 2R's are extinct in Inner Sphere space in the 3060's, period.

>>92741563
>How are you going to beat that?

Man needs Cerb 3.

>>92741872
Bullshit. All the parts are freely available. The only thing you can't do in the back of a leopard is the CASE and by the civil war there are plenty of marauders with CASE.

>>92741948
Too fucking bad. It's extinct. You can't have one. You can't make one. That's what extinct means. Fuck yourself and die, power gamer.

Somebody ITT seems perturbed

>>92741987
Yup. People get mad when you tell them that the setting has rules and a lack of hard army lists doesn't mean they're allowed to cheat.

>>92740682
Constar is Cathloics in space. Highly centralized. Even the most retard priest knows the basics, but are youbasking if some nee acolyte has schematics if Star Lord mechs ye a true retard and should strongly consider painful suicide.

Are people so desperate for engagement they will ask purposefully retarded questions just for a response?

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>>92741948
>Fluff is that nobody knew exactly what the royals looked like until they got the data core
>They start making them after they get the data core
>"But I had the parts so I could do it before that."

Haha, no.

>>92742011
>Are people so desperate for engagement they will ask
Australian posting hours are nearly upon us. We can either have an engaging conversation already going, or they'll shitpost the thread to death because it's the only thing they can find joy in during their miserable excuses for existence.

>>92742034
You could always post models. Even unbased penny lances with nothing but primer on them count.

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Have you brought glory to the Dragon today, mechwarriors?

>>92742011
if archbishop Bob of diocese #1 hate the merc company Charlie's Angels for some reason and is plotting to fuck them over, will he share his evil plan with bishop Jack in diocese #3? or will Jack help Bob at all even if he got the message?
or, if Jack found some relic in his backyard, would he be tempted to hide it (at least for a while) for himself and his diocese?

>>92742080
I would, but I'm in public and don't have any lotion anyway.

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>>92742080
Did you? Have you played your Battle of Luthien game? Did you win? Did you beat the spread?

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>>92741899
>>92741958
>>92741905
>No one EVER refit their mech into the style of a royal mech EVER before the almighty source books said they did, if you DARE play with it out of it's special not extinct box you're doing it WRONG AND SHOULD FEEL BAD YOU RETARDED POWER GAMER!
Jokes aside, I get having restrictions for the time period for campaigns and tournaments/competitive games, but I'm surprised to see people get ass mad over someone's megamek lance, especially in a game where if it doesn't line up with MUL people tend to hand wave it as "battlefield salvage" or "Found it in a star league cash"

>>92739490
I love the Lynx it's always served me well but it got fucked hard by the BV tax. Play it like a true Lyran and ignore costs and use what you like

>>92742131
Nah, Luthien game is Friday. I'll write up a batrep when it happens.

>>92742141
>No one EVER refit their mech into the style of a royal mech EVER before the almighty source books said they did, if you DARE play with it out of it's special not extinct box you're doing it WRONG AND SHOULD FEEL BAD YOU RETARDED POWER GAMER!
This, except unironically. If you aren't going to play by the rules of the setting, don't play at all.

>>92742107
Archbishops are exceedingly rare. They would probably make their acts known to their fellow archbishops and cardinals or risk their position.

He wait, couldn't they have just stolen the 2R from a clan garrison formation?

>>92742064
I also love marketing for companies 4 free, fellow kewl kid. CONSOOM

>>92742171
No, that's against the rules of the setting because I don't like it. If you aren't going to play by the rules of the setting, don't play at all.

come to think of it, why didn't anyone (in high rank, who could afford) refit their orion to as close to what alex kerensky used?

>>92742141
>>92742171
Its fine if your opponent plays by the same rules. If they dont, ur in a tourney with rules anyway. Not sure why idiots get buttmad about other playgroup rules

>>92742141
This is the wrong take. Like I said, if your only restriction is rules level, then whatever. It's pretending they're making a reasonable fluffy lance in a particular year that's fucking retarded, especially pretending you're not burning a heap of unicorn tokens to do so.

So, we're just commenting on believability pretty much.

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>>92742183
No one said they had to be official models. Check out some repair and salvage assets CGL got no money for.

>>92742196
Snub Nose PPCs were only experimental when Kerensky used one on his Orion, so there wasn't a supply showing up in lostech caches. And it doesn't seem like anyone particularly cared enough to copy his loadout once the SNPPC was in production in the late 31st century

>>92742171
It's homeworld availability mainly, meaning you could only really get it fighting shitheap solahma in the homeworlds maybe during the Great Refusal or the last couple Jag worlds in Bulldog and Serpent. Still a very rare bird, like having a Spartan. Burning that level of Unicorn, I'd rather have an R config omni, personally. Cooler and less rare.

>>92742211
What page of the rules is believability on? I don't see it in the index. If there's no rule against it, then it's legal.

>>92742222
Oh wow you mean if I use common license assets it doesnt help market the for profit companies? BASED. Now i will CONSOOM

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>>92742241
Hey real quick can you tell me what this says?

>>92742230
The original dude is the one arguing that it's believable despite being extinct. This was never an argument about rules. Nothing in the rules against me taking 5 Rifleman 3's despite there only ever being 1 made either.

>>92741563
What would be a good alternative battlemaster then?

>>92742248
There are multiple people arguing with the guy who is crying and throwing up about the idea of a mech with Case, FF, DHS and ERPPCs on a 3060s battlefield.

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How far removed from actual Islam are the Azami? I ask because I was wondering about fluff for a possible Arkab lance. Could the Azami have the concept of dhimmi? I.e. I know the Dracs hate on Jews and Christians - but could Jews and Christians live on Azami worlds? Do the Dracs ever send along observers to work with the Arkab?

Basically wondering if I need to come up with purely West/North African names, or if I can mix in some others.

>>92742222
didn't teddy or someone rode the original one day? why didn't they take it during the exodus i wonder

>>92742276
>about the idea of a mech
Ah, so it's you who's the retard. It's an extinct machine. That's the sticking point.

>arguing with the guy who is crying
You know it's multiple people that have pointed out the above sentence right? People would give the same shit to a faggot driving a Talos in 3025.

>>92742300
You can mix in others. After a thousand years of intermarriage, names and ethnicities are so mixed up that it's not unlikely to run into someone with red hair, green eyes with a notable epicanthic fold, and a Xhosa first name plus British last name, who is a devoted muslim.

>>92742310
The Exodus Fleet famously gathered at New Samarkand and dumped a ton of space junk they wouldn't haul with them. Kerensky's Orion was trashed so they dumped it with the rest of the garbage before they left. It was a labor of love by Teddy's Aunt to restore it to functionality after hundreds of years of being floating garbage.

>>92742248
I'd play that game. Sounds fun

>>92742310
>>92742336
Notable: In the process of fixing it up for Teddy, Kerensky's Orion was refitted to the ON1-K standard, all the lostech stripped out

>>92742345
I liked it better when Kerensky didn't have any lostech in it in the first place.

>>92742300
>tonkatsu and tonkotsu ramen w/ chashu are now halal

>>92742313
>People would give the same shit to a faggot driving a Talos in 3025.
And what written rule prevents me from doing that? Show me a page number.

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>>92742210
yeah, that's generally how the playgroups i've been in have been, granted them both combined are less than 10 seperate people, so take it with a grain of salt.
>>92742211
fair enough, I personally think it's a strange hill to die on that no one ever rebuilt their mechs to be like mechs that have gone extinct, even when their simple refits that for some reason don't exist in other variants. also do you mind sharing what page unicorn tokens are on? i checked my copy of the BMM and Total Warfare but keep missing it.
>sorry guys, the Republic of the sphere died, we gotta rip the large pulse laser off your wyvern 9N you got as salvage and downgrade back to a 5N. why? cause it's extinct dummy!

>>92742300
The Drac border is the kind of place where a pitch black afro-samurai named Masamune Jamal calls an 80% ethnic Japanese Hauptmann named Jonathy Kahoa-Bustweiser III a filthy dishonorable gaijin.

how much effort/facility is needed to downgrade a mech?

>>92742369
You know extinct is defined as less than 5 operational machines by the MUL team, right?

>"There's not hard rules for availability in a match."
No there's not. Never has been. Congratulations. That was never the argument. Guess what? There's no hard rules that BV have to match either. The argument was whether something that has less than 5 machines working in the entire 50000+ machines of the inner sphere was some kind of representative reasonable selection.

>Verification not required

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>>92742379
why did they whitewashed Minobu Tetsuhara again?

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>>92742398
Very little for most variants

>>92742398
As much as it takes to install the replacement parts. Engines are a bitch, armor isn't.

>>92742398
Depends on the downgrade. Usually you see it as factory lines downgrading, or repairs as things break.

>>92742435
Yeah, that's what happened to the Hermes. They could have kept making it for a while more than they did, but they used the main line to make Hermes II instead, and then just did downgrade refits to existing Hermes as they got brought in.

>>92742417
You are hyper focusing on tables and dates and not looking at things in context. A Marauder 2R in a FedCom civil war lance simply isn't that remarkable from a fluff or gameplay perspective.

>>92742476
>isn't that remarkable from a fluff
You are such a lorelett you don't get why it's notable from a fluff perspective. Read your Jihad books, anon.

>>92735344
>The Dragoon Compromise was opwnly the Wolves trying to delay the Invasion. Thus "Compromise".
They were right in saying they needed information before invading. That the Jags and Falcons couldn't get their shit together and make it happen until the Outbound Light is on them.

>Interesting question, what would an Invasion look like in 3005?
The Clans are on Terra by Christmas of 3007, GG no RE. The IS only managed to survive as well as it did due to the need to elect a new ilKhan.

Nobody has any advanced tech, the Com Guard aren't active, the Terran defence network is fucked, nobody even has Black Boxes to communicate. Even the retardatron Jags were slaughtering Pesht District regiments with a single Trinary; the Clans deploying against the IS with their tech versus a strictly IntroTech environment is going to result in the IS getting turbofucked.

And you know how people complain about Phelan, Ulric, and Natasha? Well, buckle up fuckos, because in 3005 there's Jaime and Joshua Wolf, Natasha Kerensky, Cyrilla and Kerlin Ward, and a number of other Wolf luminaries who were as good or better. The Jag Khans were also smarter then, so they aren't going to be full retard. Just like 98% retard, which for them is a significant improvement.

>>92742487
>reading shit lore
Black Library isn't canon, so I don't understand why you think that Battletech lore matters any more. All that counts are the rules. And there's no rules banning it. Cope.

>>92741948

I mean, fluffwise, a lot of the stuff that made royal grade mechs better wasn't just the ERPPCs or whatever, it was better electronics and computers, the kind of thing that dominate modern fighter plane combat far more than dogfighting capabilities do.

>>92742496

I am guessing its Wolf as IlClan even then.

Clan Lore is a bit more obscure but I wonder if a 3005 date would change up which Clans manage to make the invasion roster? Wolf and Jade Falcon seem like shoe-ins even then.

I'm also curious and might have missed this - why were there 4 invading clans and 3 reserves instead of 4 reserves? What was the Wolf excuse for not using a reserve clan? It's implied that while the reserve clans were chosen by trial, Ulric picked who went where for maximum fuckery.

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>>92742521
>Royal Variants are from Jihad books
>Jihad isn't canon

Then the 2R record sheet isn't canon. Done and done. Next topic, gents?

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>>92742556
Hey check out my custom Marauder with ERPPCs, ferro fibrous armor, and double heat sinks! I designed it to be the Star League Royal model that the 3R was a downgrade of. Since it's a custom and I can make up whatever I want, I'm gonna say its plans were rediscovered and disseminated in the 3040s so it became a favored mech in most of the successor states before the Invasion and is a hallmark of high skill forces. I'm calling it the 2R. Mind if I use it in our next game?

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Guy gets his orion shot out from under him, manages to survive for a good while after, even lands a few critical hits on the annihilator only to get atomized. Earlier in the game he kicked a stalker and triggered it's engine meltdown but since the orion was still intact he survived that one.

>>92742588
I do mind. no customs.

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>>92742588
I don't mind that, but I'll fucking kill you for painting those armor panels as cockpit glass.

>>92742625
Oh I forgot to mention, the 2R replaced some of the armor panels with ferroglass for improved pilot visibility.

>>92742588
That's interesting. I have something very similar only it is the product of dracons combine attempting to streamline production of the MAD-5D on Quentin in the 3040s. They had to do away with the XL engine, Pulse lasers, streak launcher and Jumpjets in favor of something closer to the 3R.

>>92742588
No customs you WAACfaggot. You can't use it. Go cry.

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>>92742417
>Make comment about how an oddly specific term isn't a real rule, and that it would be silly to act like no one would ever rebuild a mech like an extinct one.
>begins sperging about how that was never the argument and going over the definition of extinct is according to the MUL and that BV doesn't need to match

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, I'll keep doing what I do with my play group, and you can keep rivet counting with yours.

>>92742533
The Crusaders were probably more powerful then and while Kerlin and Cyrilla were great leaders, I don't think they could engineer something the way Ulric did.

Also important to remember that Ulric only became the ilKhan because Leo Showers died at the Kurultai that was called to censure the Wolves and remove them from the Invasion entirely.

I'm not sure they'd need to call that Kurultai at all given how fas the Jags and Falcons would be ripping through 3005-era troops that were a lot less seasoned as they hadn't been through the 4th SW and War of 3039 and which had drastically worse gear, but if they do, then the odds of a Tyra Miraborg analogue killing the ilKhan again are low.

As far as reserve Clans went, there were only four Invaders and one Reserve. The Steel Vipers placed 5th and were on standby.

The reserve Clans weren't picked for their beefs, they placed in the combat trials for the Invasion. One slot was held for the Wolves, then the trial results went (highest to lowest) Jags, Falcons, Bears, Vipers, Cats, and then Sharks. Everyone else was knocked out in the bidding.

While Ulric did stick Clans who hated each other together, honestly there was no good configuration for the Invaders in that regard as their ally Clans were all knocked out and they all hated each other. The bears would have been as shitty with the Vipers as they were the Sharks, the Jags would have hated the Sharks as much as they did the Cats, and the Falcons would have hated the Cats as much as they did the Vipers and so on.

The Wolves didn't need backup because they hadn't screwed up the schedule and weren't falling behind.

>>92742420

Because they're colossal faggots going overboard in trying to "correct" the "racism" of the past.

We all know what best samurai really looked like.

Did someone forget that BT is a fictional historical wargame?
If you want to play it and have a something approaching an authentic battle, and not just mash random models together, each player constructs his forces using models that are applicable to the region, factions involved and time period.
People playing a wargame set in 1944 and seeking an authentic matchup probably aren't going to be very pleased if someone brings an M1 TTB or six maus.

>>92742658
>it would be silly to act like no one would ever rebuild a mech like an extinct one.

If we're going by fluff, that's honestly where you're wrong. If more than 5 people did it, it would be in the MUL. I'm sorry if you missed the point of that mention. Refits are there, just like the Grasshopper 5N 25 years before it ever got a manufacturing line. Also, most people use standard machines. Customs are for fancy mercs, solaris jocks, desperate pirates and rulers of star empires. So rebuilds like you're talking about are actually pretty rare in general. It's not that such a thing can't happen. It's just like having a random asian dude in a medieval French movie. You don't go "This isn't anything unsual." You go "There's some kind of crazy story here."

>>92742658
You don't have a Battletech play group. Whatever you're """playing""" it's not Battletech. Battletech has setting restrictions, and actual players abide by them.

>>92742588
Ah, this is the one that hilariously became accessible to the Taurians in the Jihad and its neighboring Periphery nations in the 3080s.

It was Clan-only (second-line) between the end of the First Succession War and the Jihad.

>>92742666

Oh, I did understand why the reservists were picked, I was just wondering why the 8th place clan didn't come in to help Clan Wolf.

But I supposed as IlKhan, Ulric could just not - you're right about the schedules. I assume he was just flexing on the other clans at that point.

However I must point out there was a little specific trolling on Ulric's part. The Cats and Jags did have history going back to Rosse I think, and the Vipers did specifically hate the Falcons because they hated all bird-clans for some reason.

I do wonder if 50 years of difference would have meant any other clan - but then I realize how few other clans were really in the running. Star Adder was the most notable powerful clan missing but they deliberately chose to Reign in Homeworlds rather than Spaz in Inner Sphere

>>92742693
Except for the way the machine is question is in active use with both allies and enemies of the faction fielding it and could also have been built from a parts kit, sure.

>>92742693

>>M1

I have to post it anon. My brainslug won't let me refuse.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eb_a7u3K8Bo

>>92742693
>People playing a wargame set in 1944 and seeking an authentic matchup probably aren't going to be very pleased if someone brings an M1 TTB or six maus.
If there are no rules which prohibit this, then fuck those people. You bring whatever gives you the best chance to win. If the game rules allow me to bring Leopard 2s to face your Panzer IVs, then that's legal and you have no call not to be pleased about it.

What rules, on what book, and on what page, disallow me from putting a 2R Marauder in a 3056 force list? Screenshot and post them, or concede.

Why's everyone so hostile in here lately?

>>92742739
New Dallas core gave everyone the blueprints for almost every mech the star league was aware of from the Mackie right up to Amaris. That got spread around to anyone with the bandwidth and data storage capacity to take it. The Taurians have access to the royal Marauder because they decided to make a factory for it. With those blueprints, it wouldn't be hard for a company who wanted to make refit kits for it, and any faction could have made a factory (although they didn't actually do that).

>>92742744
Look, all the sources say it wasn't built in significant quantities, so few existed that it is effectively extinct at the time. You can say "oh, that's dumb", but that's just how it is.
There's nothing wrong with you just playing with whatever mechs you like most, but if everyone else at the table was planning on having an authentic game, it's going to cause trouble.

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>>92742792
>The Taurians have access to the royal Marauder because they decided to make a factory for it.

They actually just upgraded their old Marauder factory that was still making 3R's because it didn't entail basically rehauling the whole line like when everyone went to the Phoenix boxy thing.

>>92742791
Fuck you

>>92742761
WAACfag, do you even play with real people on a tabletop?

i'm not sure the clans had THAT much tech advantage at the time of the invasion these days. sure, cerppc and clan pulse assrape things, but now it feels like 'actually, the is had all these techs too...'

>>92742874
The stand out of clan stuff is having all available tech at once. Even high tech IS stuff usually has to chose between FF and Endo or it runs out of crits.

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>>92742726
>merc swaps his standard lasers into pulse lasers and swaps a rocket pod for a smaller streak model like an extinct variant
>holly smokes! this must be some really interesting story here! nobody ever does this normally! this has to be one of the Maximum of 4 that exist!
I'm sorry you're so autistic the thought of someone upgrading their mech into something that already exists or maintaining a mech with commonly available parts after the official line is gone is such a leap of logic to you.
>>92742734
Picrel

>>92742743

Well we actually know who did "3rd Best" - i.e. got at least one win. Blood Spirits, Fire Mandrills, Coyote and Goliath Scorpion. And technically Star Adder but they were just proxying.

I'd say the best performing of those Clans was Coyote, which makes it really weird they didn't do some arrangement to act as the Warden Wolves' reserve. Surprised Ulric didn't try to scheme something like that up.

>>92742906
>Telling you what the fluff says is being autistic
>My logic overrides the fluff

I'm just telling you how it is bro. Take your beef up with the universe, not me. If you're arguing about the universe, you are wrong though.

>>92742791
They're mad that Encounters is a more engaging experience than the base game.

>>92742932
Maybe you should spend some more time insisting that some dates on a fan maintained website are the absolute word of god. That will convince us you aren't autistic.

I've made higher tech refits of a lot of mechs on the idea that people aren't always going to be sending their family mechs in for refits because they don't want to/can't afford to/can't get a spot on the the refit line with all the state owned mechs clogging up the queue. The main design consideration is how close can you get to a Helm variant while working in a mech bay.

is mw5's traveling time accurate? wonder if i can use that as time and cost simulator instead of calculating it myself

>>92742791
Because none of the mechs I want exist.
Everything has to be all ultra autocannons and pulse lasers, can't we just have a marauder 3D with DHS. Or a an orion without novelties like a narc?
Just taking a good introtech design and making it better. Very rare for some reason.

is gauss so expensive because of its range+1/36 chance to one shot any mech?

>>92742272
Beemer no good I'm afraid. And all the later era ones get rid of their hands for some reason.

>>92742962
As opposed to you arguing "MY TOYS I WANT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I SAY SO" the same way manic argues about how infantry should drown mechs in waves and similar space battles autism.

>>92742987
From what I recall it's broadly correct. I don't know if the specific travel times of specific worlds are accurate though.
The two main considerations for travel time are how long it takes for a dropship to get to and from a jump point to wherever you're going in the star system, and how long it takes for the jumpship to recharge after a jump. The jumps themselves are basically instant, but you have to charge the core and have to accelerate and decelerate through space to get to places without jumping.

>>92743019
>infantry should drown mechs in waves
I mean, that is basically true. Most every battle I ever have now includes 6-8 field gun platoons.

>>92743040
Not how the universe works though and why arguing against that is folly. Same way nobody loads cheap old merchant dropships full of concrete then cracks planets with them.

>>92743019
It seems like you are having a lot of trouble following the conversation. The argument is that if all the component parts of a design are explicitly in mass production, the design being fielded isn't remarkable, especially if even more exotic variants that would logically require more engineering work are also in mass production.

>>92743065
>Not how the universe works though and why arguing against that is folly
The universe works how the rules say it works. The rules don't prevent me from doing any of this shit you're so autistic about, so I get to do it. If I want to run a 2R Marauder in 3050, I can and there's nothing you can do to stop me. If I win because I drown you in infantry and field guns, then there's nothing you can do about it. The only thing that matters are rules, and the rules let me do all that. I've asked multiple times now, and no one can post any rules saying I'm wrong. So maybe you should shut up and screenshot a rule that proves me wrong.

>>92743081
We got the argument. It's just a bad one. Just because you got the lego pieces doesn't make something reasonable or unremarkable. Let's look at something like a Warhammer 6D, bog standard grogtech, could lego it together in 2500 techwise. Doesn't show up until 2835. People would rightfully call you out on bringing one to a Star League Civil War game.

>>92742997

See, this is why you play a campaign. Start out with the stock variants you can find on the RATs, and when you get the quality high enough and have the time and cash, refit them to your own standards. And then weep when your custom hotrod falls apart because the maintenance cycle is now 4x harder, or the ammo gets hit or your 2/3 pilot that you've been nursing into elite states for 5 years eats a gauss slug to the face. (This is why you play with SPAs and get edge).

>>92742080
i got a 1/800 scale Minerva i'm intending to use as a kuritan leopard dropship, so i got that goin for my kuritan list

>>92743086
>how the rules say it works

No, it's how the fluff says it works. This is why novels are the highest level of canon. That's a genuine statement, no troll no smarm. That you even argue otherwise kinda strikes me that you are either really new or you're trolling. Either way, I got work to do. You guys have fun.

>>92743086
>The only thing that matters are rules, and the rules let me do all that. I've asked multiple times now, and no one can post any rules saying I'm wrong. So maybe you should shut up and screenshot a rule that proves me wrong.

No, the limiting factor is what people at your table will agree to play against. If you show up with one unicorn and say that it was the only intact mech that /your dudes/ found in the SLDF cache that you found under a rock on a periphery dusthole, most people will roll with it and be fine. But if you show up with your entire force as unicorns, you won't find that people will be willing to play a second game against you.

>>92743104
If the objection was that it is more optimized than the game they were planning that would be worth discussing.

If the objection was that no one in the universe could have thought to remove the machine guns and missile launchers on a WHM-6R in favor of armor before 2835 I would think you a tedious nerd.

>>92743086
>the universe works how the rules say it works
so you're in the "270 meters is the absolute, literal maximum range for an AC/20 shell" camp, huh?

What happened to the australians in battletech?

>>92743220
Last piece of Terra owned by Comstar because even the Stoners didn't want it.

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Working on the roster for my Free Worlds League force for the new map campaign. Goal was to use a lot of new models I'm getting in the kickstarter and maintain a FWL feel, campaign will be set in 3028, no lostech available at start.

Medium Lance: 4427, Strategic Speed 5
>Ostsol OTL-4D: 1308
>Wolverine WVR-6M: 1291
>Dervish DV-6M: 1146
>Maxim Hovertank(SRM-4): 682

Scout Lance: 2434, Strategic Speed 7
>Assassin ASN-21: 749
>Cicada CDA-2A: 659
>Maxim Hovertank(SRM-4): 682
>Peregrine VTOL: 344

Command Lance: 5154, Strategic Speed 3
>Awesome AWS-8Q: 1605
>Orion ON1-K: 1429
>LRM Carrier: 833
>Ontos Fusion: 1287
Total: 12015/12500

Pic is the models I have for these guys now. Still gotta do those bases, and of course I'll have to paint all the new ones.

I don't get the stock Griffin. Yes the PPC is powerful and paired with an LRM-10 makes an excellent fire support mech. But it has nothing if a mech gets within its minimum range, and there are a lot of hungry brawlers or sneaking light mechs out there. The -1S is an improvement there, but also compromised the long range punch. If you're intending to work in close, get a Wolverine -6M - pretty much the same weapons but with an SRM-6 so you have everything within your chosen range bracket.

>>92743252
5/8/5 makes you pretty good at controlling the range. If a light gets close you just kick its shins off.

Since we have rules for power armoured infantry with flamers and pulse laser, and creature creation rules...

Can we make the arachnids and fight the Bug war? Warship rules already allow us to build the troop transports
Keel mounted NAC suffice for orbital drop pod insertionnof each cap trooper..just make it special ammo that autocannon use

>>92736704
1) In brawl matches, use heavies, especially glass-cannon ones like the non-Thud Unseen. Always makes things go quicker. They keep TMMs reasonable, encourage closer combat, and do satisfying amounts of damage.
2) Smaller maps. A fight on a 1x2 is always faster than a 2x2. You can find some very interesting small arena maps in the "Royal Rumble" joke XRTO, which are re-prints of the old Solaris VII maps. They're made to be printed on poster stock, and you may be able to get a decent deal from a local print shop. I got mine done for ~$20 each
3) Play with Objectives. Extractions, breakthrough, and take-and-hold work well for smaller boards and heavier forces.
4) Play with Forced Withdrawal. One gyro hit, two engine hits, or every gun bigger than an MG/SL gone? Pull it off the table as a kill. If you prefer, any 'Mech that pushes its PSR modifier to +6 or more (IE, it's legged or hipped and the other leg is damaged) without a Gyro crit can also be counted as a mobility kill. This is a house rule, though.

And of course there are a lot of little ways to speed things up. The best is to get everyone a clipboard for their mechsheets with a copy of the quick-reference sheets mounted on it, a notebook with scratch paper for doing fire declarations and any math involved, and use the old multicolored dice for tracking attacker and target movement modifiers.

>>92736814
>I doubt the few other kickstarter extras justify the $15 more in shipping they're charging.
CGL would like you to know that that's the "and handling" part, where they "hand" themselves some extra cash as payment for signing papers for someone else to unpack the shipping container. I'd namefag as the Catalyst Observer but I'm too tired from dealing with the kid and the dog to bother tonight.

>>92737107
Morticia Addams is straight-up a pilot in Team Banzai. Check the original TRO 3025.

>>92743220
They settled at least one planet from a sarna search, called Kikuyu. But I know there are other planets named after Australian things in roughly that same area of the Lyran Commonwealth, so I wouldn't be surprised if they spread more widely. Nothing specific about aborigines though.
I did notice this, though I don't know the reference:
>Since its creation the Thirty-third Scorpion Grenadiers had maintained a strength of twelve Stars. They were known for playing a protest song from Terra's Australian continent during their patrols on Marshall.

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So, picked up the 25th anniversary Intro Box for 10 bucks off marketplace. Ended up mostly complete, was missing the map of the inner sphere, one of the map boards, and the premium Summoner (Hellbringer was still there though). Kinda sucks because the mapboards are nice and sturdy as opposed to mapsheets and the poster would be cool to have BUT it did come with Operation Flashpoint and the Living Legends scenario books so theres that.

The minis are just as shitty as I had always heard. Theyre dollar store army man quality and have moldlines, excess flash, warped parts. The Hunchback is missing a hand too. Idk what Im gonna use them for other than probably make some generic militia opfors with some of them.

Heres how some look next to their current counterparts.

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>>92743304
The Whitworth and Cicada got hit the hardest with the plastic tumors and warping. The Cicada in addition to being a 31st century squatted truck also has a crater in its right arm pod.

>>92743252
I wish the Lyrans had made a variant of it that was basically a jumping Thud-5SS.

>>92743161
I should argue that my AC20 can hit someone at 24 hexes when I play in the Open at Gencon.

>>92743234

Oi, pay attention to Discord. I need to talk Levs for a second.

Is there a reason Michael Stackpole was given the task of writing some of the most important battletech novels? Was he their top guy for the pivotal books? Two Trilogies is pretty big, I think William H Keith had a 5 book series, but I don't consider the GDL to be as important as Warrior and Blood of Kerensky.

>>92743270
>Morticia Addams is straight-up a pilot in Team Banzai.

I am quietly contemplating a Team Banzai all-goth lance with Morticia Addams, Elvira, Eva Green (300 sequel), and an as-yet undecided 4th member. Possibly Vampira, but that's a pretty deep cut. Fairuza Balk and Helena Bonham Carter are also possibilities, but neither seems to really fit.
>"goth mechwarrior girl" is an impossibly disappointing GIS

>>92741563
Hmmm, would the A or Prime Templar be better in that lineup? Im leaning A, but gauss spam is always nice

>>92743381
Good "enough" for cheap enough

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>>92743389
>302 eva green

Penny Dreadful is RIGHT THERE man

>>92743381
Got in very early and kept getting work out of inertia.

>>92743014
Range is huuuuuge. At 7 hexes you're firing with 0 range penalty while medium lasers are at -4. And it's a headcapper. And its ammo doesn't blow up. The gun does, but that's usually not going to autokill you.

Sure, it's heavy, but it's clearly better than any Inner Sphere weapon, including the IS ERPPC.

What if the AC/2 and AC/5 were the AC/3 and AC/6?

>>92743086
>The universe works how the rules say it works.
This isn't the world of 40k tournaments, it's a semi-RPG. It takes some getting used to.

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>>92743252
>But it has nothing if a mech gets within its minimum range
The best mechs specialize in one range band and count on their lancemates to deal with the other range bands.

Wouldn't the Scorpion be better if its two weapons overlapped better than a PPC and SRM? I think so.

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>total warfare p.whatever

>>92743420
Why not just AC5 and AC8. They should match damage of their laser counterpart.

>>92743444
Wasn't the AC/10 supposed to line up with the Large Laser?

>>92743447
Then what does the AC20 line up with, and doesn't the AC/10 line up with a PPC better?
Clearly that guy's line of reasoning is stupid, but slightly buffing the AC/5 and AC/2 with one extra damage would make them better but not great.

>>92739490
Keep in mind the era in which it came out. Much like the Watchman and Starslayer, in the 3050s it's patching up a hole where an Unseen would be. But also it's a Star League-legal energy boat and it's mean as Hell. I've got a couple for my Blakies.

>>92740254
One of the founding nations of the FedSuns was Hindi. United Hindu Collective, I want to say.

>>92742196
>come to think of it, why didn't anyone (in high rank, who could afford) refit their orion to as close to what alex kerensky used?
Kerensky's actual, factual, honest-to-God Orion survived the Succession Wars and was Theodore Kurita's ride for a while. Somewhere along the line it got downgraded to a standard K-spec. Until the Dallas Core hit nobody in the IS knew what the original config looked like.

>>92742300
All the hardcore religious in the middle east never left Earth and most of them died in a nuclear exchange. The Azami are basically laid-back, secularized Protestant Muslims rather than hardcore radicals.
>dhimmi
No, the Combine would never let someone else steal their tax revenue
>Do some Jews and Christians live on Azami planets
Yes. Especially Jews, the Combine has a bit of an anti-Semite streak.
>Drac Observers
Very, very much so. Mostly O5P and other people keeping a leash on them (for Kurita political rather than religious reasons), sometimes other units that specialize in high-mobility combined arms warfare send people in to train with them.

>>92743431
>Wouldn't the Scorpion be better if its two weapons overlapped better than a PPC and SRM? I think so.
It's not min/maxed into hyper efficiency but the Panther makes it work. The problem with the Scorpion is everything else that brings the BV up so high

>>92743491
In terms of range brackets, the AC/20 is in the medium laser's range and the AC/5 is in the PPC's range while the AC/10 is in the Large Laser's range. I have no idea why.

>>92743504
>but the Panther makes it work.
I find that if I'm ever using that SRM-4, things have gone horribly wrong.

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>>92743498
Fucks me up that pic related ended up becoming a mere militia. Messengers of Shiva were once the military of an interstellar state, that alone is pretty interesting.

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>>92743498
>the Combine has a bit of an anti-Semite streak.

What? No! The Combine loves Jews. Jews are great, full citizens.

You know, as long as they don't try to practice Judaism, what with that being illegal and all.

Together with Judaism somehow becoming part of the Catholic Church, I always got the feeling that some writer was a secular Jew who hated the religion.

>>92743444
HBS made them AC/5, AC/9, AC/12, and AC/20. It made them pretty viable.

>>92743545
I wouldn't want the classic AC10 to become a headchopper because that deletes the whole point of the Blazer and adds a mid range headchopper to introtech.

Other than that, yeah, seems fine.

>>92743220
>>92743297
>They settled at least one planet from a sarna search, called Kikuyu.

There's also a planet just straight-up called "Australia". It has one of the LC's Reserve Banks, making it one of the most important worlds in the entire Commonwealth.

With an equatorial temperature of 35 and 76% surface water, a breathable atmosphere, and a billion inhabitants, it actually seems like one of the nicest planets in the IS. It's said to have a relative lack of valuable resources, so there probably isn't too much heavy industry.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Australia

so, despite of the risk of blowing itself over, you should include missiles for ammo crit?

>>92743552
>because that deletes the whole point of the Blazer

The Blazer is stupid anyway though.

>>92743435
nooo my 30m 70t locust

>>92743559
-blazes you-

>>92742521
Because battletech isn't 40k. The novels are explicitly canon here.

>>92743555
No, you should run your SRM or LRM boats with zero ammo so you don't blow up. Just punch the enemy to death.

>>92742588
No customs. Find it in cache like literally every other Merc company you fucking power gamer.

>>92743587
Anon is joking; the -2R is a canon variant, but one that was extinct from the end of the 1st Succession War to the start of the Jihad.

>>92742761
>If there are no rules which prohibit this
There are, shithead.

>>92742997
Are there rules that allow you to make and score your own weapons?

>>92743019
Infantry can and does. We ignore that because it fucks the setting.

>>92743086
You don't play.

>>92736202
It has been 26 (twenty six) threads since MadCat Clan Fag has refused to answer my BatChall

>>92743559
You shut your whore mouth.

>>92743613
>There are, shithead
Post them with book and page number.

is giving light mechs like a ton or so of inferno a valid tactics?

>>92743675
Often. Lights are more likely than others to run up against infantry and tanks due to the type of work they do, and both of those are scared of infernos.

Good news everyone, or at least powermetal anon fans. I did save some of the songs before the channel got nuked, mostly because I wanted to burn them to a CD. Here's one of them to show I'm not bullshitting. I'll upload the rest on Vocaroo after I finish what I'm doing.
https://voca.ro/1b24Pm8pMzZM

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>>92743220

Australians, New Zealanders Canadians and South Africans for some bizarre reason ended up in the Lyran Commonwealth in Coventry Province.

My theory in this is that we note that Glengarry was said to have Canadians on it too - so I think all the Commonwealth people moved to Skye, then from there moved out to Coventry.

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>>92743400

What is it with you people and Eva Green?

(as purple burd I'm sad we didn't get a waifu for every substate lol, need some Desi Regulans)

anybody know where koreans ended up?
>freaking draconis or liao of all places i bet

>>92743726
is it for ants?

>>92743618
Until a single mech brings any kind of anti-infantry gun. Bonus points if it outrages all infantry weapons like the plasma rifle.

Now if you're talking field artillery, that's a different proposition, but normal infantry due when a mech looks at them funny in the open, and hiding in a building only works until the building gets dropped on top of you.

>>92743733
genocided in the 2300s

>>92743529
Stand next to tank. Shoot 4 infernos at it and kick it. Shoot PPC at different tank. Praise the Lord Bad Dragon and take the knot in his name.

>>92743726
>What is it with you people and Eva Green?
THOSE EYES

>>92743754
...and people say that Battletech isn't a utopian style setting. If only the Combine was the only ethnically Asian setting left, it would be absolutely perfect.

>>92743683
Why does a song about being betrayed by your lancemate go so fucking hard?

>>92740656
I might be off by one, but he at least got six headshots. It three were head choppers too. It was bullshit.

>>92743780
the the entire population of the inner sphere still had an average life expectancy of 90 years after three succession wars. people have it way better than the setting's tone implies.

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Are there any other shots of this variant of helmet? Want to make a cosplay one. This also appears to buckle to some sort of harness that rests on your shoulders and not your head, really.

>>92743851
Why did you pic the one neurohelmet that has cat ears?
This is for furcon isn't it?

>>92743733
Northwind. It's the old Starburst commercials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFudQ_HOQI

>>92743863
I'm not convinced they're cat ears. I assumed it was just a weird angle and what appears to be spikes are actually just open latches.

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>>92743851
There's usually shoulder supports on the cooling vest.

>>92743863
Those should be plugs for the air supply since it's not on the front like most.

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>>92743252
Mechs
Operate
In
Mixed
Lances
The Griff is a good, cheap way to add some direct firepower to a missile lance, some long-range oomph to a medium trooper team, or a solid backstop for a cavalry lance. Remember, LRMs are their most accurate at 6-7 hexes. So if you have some buddies who can keep shit at arm's length for you, the Griffin's weapons are extremely lethal. The upgrades are even better, because the ERPPC has no minimum range.

>>92743431
The Scorp's biggest problem is its firing arcs. Well, that and getting legged too easily. AKA "Quad Problems".

>>92743304
>>92743322
Nice. They may be shitty vinyls but they're still a lot of robutts. I've customized a bunch of them over the years, including turning that crappy Catapult into an extremely ghetto Marauder back when even the plastics were like $15-20 a pop. Apologies for a 15-year-old shitcamera photo.

>>92743726
She's hot and carries herself well. I'd be mad to call her anything but gorgeous.

>>92743683
did the channel get nuked?

>>92743848
Of course they do. But I want all the Koreans and Chinese dead. That's what makes a setting good. At least Battletech gives me some of that.

>>92743863
>This is for furcon isn't it?
If his isn't, mine is going to be now. Imagine a tail plug integrated with your cooling vest to bring your internal core temperature down while keeping you ready for a post-battle proper dicking down.

>>92743887
It got hacked, did crypto shit then nuked. Not going to assume anything until powermetalanon or youtubeanon say something.

>>92743896
Damn that's disappointing, and fast.

>>92743904
Seems to be a Battletech Youtube rite of passage at this point.

>>92743908
How do you mean?

>>92743891
BT capellans aren't even as traitorous and unprincipled as real capellans

how should you justify steiner and/or kurita presence around taurian/moc/auriga? or the other 3 around oberon? i forgot how hbstech handled it for flashpoints

>>92743891
taiwan belong to mainland china

>>92743922
Don't worry about it haha

>>92743925
taiwan is already controlled by mainland china

>>92743922
Doing secret squirrel research stuff in a populated but far away region. Scouting for up and coming mercenary talent away from the normal hiring halls. Chasing someone for some reason.

>BT power metal ballad anon's links are dead and yt channel removed.

What happend? Any anon save them?

>>92744007
>what happened to his channel
crypto won

>>92743539
>cgl wants diversity
Lore ready reason to add it in via break away states.
>author instead says Focht is trans
Idiots...

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It's two in the morning on a Thursday, but I finally finished logging everything official. I didn't include my 3D prints or any of the old correct scale gashapons and stuff. I'm still trying to figure out If I should do that on a different sheet.

>>92744024

>anon can field half a fucking division in mechs alone.

Are you okay man? I understand collecting a reasonalbe amount of minis for the game, but you can field multiple battalions for every single faction in the game and still have minis left over.