Just play other games if GW prices keep increasing?Are you also afraid of their prices increasing?
>>92727215The thing is, Warhammer fans don't care about other games or the wargaming hobby as a whole, they only care about Warhammer. That's why it's just a bunch of autists taking the lore that have been constantly retconned and is just a pastiche of various fantasy and sci-fi shit the writers happened to like all slammed together too seriously.
>>92727215nah im gonna 3D print and pirate all my warhammer nowYour a GW shill lmao
What if I play other games but also 3dprint them?
>>92727587>don't you get it, they were influenced by a bunch of writers so it's not legit you can't like it reee
>>92727612outside of historicals good luck
>>92727631So why would I fork out real money for your game no one plays when I can use my printer to make warhammer models for basically free (after initial investments)?
>>92727215the main reason why I never got into Warhammer was because warhammer fans come across as battered housewives when asked why they still play GW (Yeah, they did remove the majority of my army and now I'll have to spend a couple more hundred dollars to buy new models to replace my army, but it was my fault for liking that subfaction and making them upset by being competent in competitive. this wrist bruise? I got it from falling down the stairs, not from their overly cluttered models. they aren't bad, I remember falling in love with them during the caiuphus cain novels, if only they loved me like they did then...)also no alternate turn activation in a non rank and flank game is absolute cancer.>>92727612based>>92727631(laughs in BattleTech.)
>>92727718Not playing battletech its controlled by wokies now ill stick with pirated warhammer
>>92727215No.I will play GW games but download all the PDFs for free and use 3rd party models or used models.GW gets no money from me.
>>92727734>>92727746Youll never kill GW
>>92727612An excellent choice. I'm currently working on some excellent Winter War Finnish troops that I bought STLs for and asked a friend to print. 3D printing has been a real blessing for wargaming.
>>92727734>Not playing battletech its controlled by wokies now >ill stick with warhammer
>>92727215GW is very comfortable with their large number of brainless paypigs and their ability to license out their IP as a source of constant revenue. People who don't buy overpriced plastic are still buying their games. This is what WotC has been trying to do with MtG and DnD. They want a stable of highly profitable IPs to constantly license out to appeal to wider audiences.Smaller companies don't have that option. They have to make a good product at a reasonable price and maintain the trust of their core customers as much as possible, otherwise they die. If they try price gouging like GW where the prices rise just because they feel like it, people just stop buying. New players don't join.
>>92727775GW may go woke but its now where near as bad as CGL. Also the battletech general has namefags and trannies in it too soooo lmao
>>92727726>got filtered by a Noncannon fanzine>>92727734>controlled by wokiesimagine saying this less than a month after they added female custodes.>>92727746based, play the games you want to play, even if I think your taste is terrible.
>>92727215Most anons here have already dropped GW products since WEEKS ago now; where have you been?
>>92727796>Battletech GeneralThat doesnt count, generals suck ass now and Battletech is not woke
>>92727833But you arent denying the utter garbage that is battletech general though? There is a literal tranny there.
>>92727618It's a silly kitchen sink setting that doesn't take itself too seriously. There is no problem with liking the setting but some fans treat the lore like it's some sacred high art. I've straight up met people who consider the Black Library pulp shit to be deep and profound.
>>92727874>>92727796This is a Warhammer thread this is off topic talk about GW fucking up
>>92727874The BASED and redpilled 40k fans were gonna migrate to this? LMAO
>>92727826>dropped GW products since WEEKS agoWow, you guys are such rebels.
>>92727215I tried, I liked 40K's stupid setting too much. I just stick to their "specialist" games now, its less draining.
>>92727874>>927279074chan are filled with a bunch of tourists coming from Twitter thinking this is some free speech American culture war battleground and tries to make everything into some Twitter culture war issue.
>>92727926CGL was finally relevant, they don't know how to handle that and went full retard. Many such cases. Sad!
>>92727931>I don't like what this company is doing so I'll keep rewarding them for it by continuing to purchase their products
>>92727874>got filtered by a Non cannon fan zinesee previous>but the official twitter account blocked people!the official shill channel blocked people who made porch jokes also blocked people for saying 41% on twitter, the horror.
>>92727874>GW is woke now lets go play battletec->Meh lets just pirate warhammer its the only based wargame
>>92727931Nothing is stopping you from playing older editions of the games or using proxies or second hand models. Just because you enjoy the setting doesn't mean that you're a slave to GW. Before Warhammer normalized that you must use the officially approved models and only the officially approved models most wargames where just rulesets where it was assumed you would use whatever models that where up to scale and fit the setting. Even older editions of Warhammer had rules for creating vehicles out of used deodorant bottles and shit. I genuinely do not understand how GW fans are so cucked that they must desperately buy their shit when you can play their games without giving money to GW.
>>92727957>my wife cheated on me, I'm going to find another woman>meh, other women are whores too, lets just go back to my ex wifeliteral cuck behavior
>>92727215I play RPGs not faggot consumer collector "wargames" and regardless I would never stoop to the level of paying GW anything. Have never given a dime, never will, been running and playing games for 15 years now. Fuck "the industry" and all the braindead paypigs. 3D printing will (is currently, even) erase this grift.
>>92727215>3d printer>5th edition core rules with 4th edition codexes (maybe 8th edition + indexes if you want some variety)there, now you can play a better game with better rules and even better models for a fraction of the price, you are welcome.
>>92728040or play another wargame? Like Infinity or Bolt action?
>>92728060yeah, I play MotU Battleground and Battletech as well, but I get why people have a hard time leaving 40k, is a game that sucks you in too deep in the sunken cost falacy with all the lore and expensive models, I've been there. I think it's easier to just start by playing a different (and better) edition and printing minis as a first step to overcoming the shitfest that present day 40k has become
>>92727215I stick with gw because that’s what the people and my friends want to play but I use third party models and if I ever get gw models it is from the lgs at a discount.One thing I’ve been wanting to play is kings of war but sadly there is no community near me interested.
IT'S AN EARLY GW PRICEMASS /tg/!Get your traditional Pricemass Meatbread's and seasonal Water ready for the surprise feast!
>>92727874>fire right wing nutcase, supports trans rights, cucks every other wargame with the best rules in the industry, "sure Anon, you can bring your 3d printed models to the tournament", effortlessly receives 7.5 million dollars in 30 hours to finance their next expansion.Battletech can't stop winning.
>>92728110incredibly based
I unironically play Combat Storm with pals.
>>92727215Who cares about poor people anyway? Poorfags will complain regardless, 3D printer fags are like vegans who actually have a 3D printing hobby with a fetish to apply it elsewhere because it's quite useless on its own unless you mass print reddit statuettes for a le epic office aesthetic.
>>92728141The models are the only thing catalyst has done right; everything else was either already made for them or dogshit
>>92727215>Are you also afraid of their prices increasing?After getting into (and out of) Warmachine I'm honestly more afraid of them fucking up the rules and shitting all over the existing community even worse than GW does. Minis can be substituted, players not so much.
>>92728292>j-just the rules, models, maps and lore is amazing, but Catalyst aren't transphobes so Battletech sucks.cope harder faggot
>>92728499The rules and lore have been around long before Catalyst got their grubby hands on it you nigger.
>>92727215When you stat out the army you ideally want, the cost of it, and then compare the time necessary to learn 3d casting vs learning cad while buying a 3d printer vs a whole college course... idk man, I guess I'll just work and learn a trade over playing warhammer
I'd play other wargames if they had scenes in anywhere I've lived. I'm still going to play GW games, just less likely to buy from GW or pick up new games.
Least there's Heavy Gear that seems to be clean of this nonsense.
What are some fun fantasy (not sci fi) wargames that have a good basis for narrative campaigns and also don't require the use of named characters?
>>92728821Conquest
>>92728898Oh.
>>92727612Came here to post this. Ever since 3D printing got good I stopped caring about chincast and third party models when STLs surpass even the official GW models sometimes. I think that the huge range of high quality STLs is one thing that 40K has over other games.
>>92728141>"sure Anon, you can bring your 3d printed models to the tournament"Anon, what the fuck are you huffing? CGL Art Director is well know for sperging about 3D printed mechs, as are their most well know shills.
>>92729883>Participating in official tournaments
>>92728821Saga.Start with the dark age stuff then add age of magic as nonsense pops off
>>92728898He asked for 'fun'
>>92727215I’ve been a loyal GW customer since I got a copy of Talisman in 1986. I am abandoning the brand now because of their surrender to gender politics and the promotion of homosexuality, sodomy, transgenderism and perversion to their customer base, including young children just starting in the hobby. Not to mention their awful, bland rules, meta-setting design philosophy and three-year ‘new edition’ cycle with terrible, unbalanced codexes.There are so many fun, cheap, simple games out there (Gaslands, Mordheim, old-school Necromunda, old-school Warzone/Mutant Chronicles etc) that I feel GW no longer requires my financial support.
>>92727906This. There is nothing wrong with liking 40k fluff, but it is what it is.
>>92727734Did you miss the April white dwarf where they featured the ‘gate crushers’, a Space Marine squad painted up in gay pride, trans pride, bear pride etc colours?GW is just as woke, or is becoming so, unfortunately. Which is odd for a company notorious for hyper-capitalistic, anti-competitive, cartel-like behaviour, shitty wages and conditions for staff, planned obsolescence, and other vile, anti-progressive economic activities.
>>92730488they're an evangelical cult. they want to force everyone to worship the same things they do
>>92728821Mordheim (Broheim.net). Fun, free and fantastic.
>>92730562Unfortunately it's near impossible for a hobby owned by a for-profit company to be gatekept. The people in charge are soulless cretins who don't give a single fuck about the game, they will cater to any group they think will make them an extra dollar, even if it stabs their old fans in the back.
>>92730458did you miss the CGL approved magazine with a trans pride mech? kek stop coping its trannytech now
>>92730488Progressivism is literally a mask that companies wear so they don’t get called out on their evil business practices>The arms manufacturrrs making bombs to drop on Palestinian refugee camps are actually the good guys because they have a float in a gay pride parade!GW is not exempt from this. CGL is not exempt from this. Both are companies swimming in DEI obsessed staff and producing lackluster products based off the hard work and passion of driven individuals from decades ago.
>>92730622The difference is that because BT tends to attract more mature gamers, and isn’t aimed at 12 year olds, people who want to cut CGL out entirely can easily do so. CGL has taken over the IP after the genie has left the bottle, whereas GW maintains a ruthless amount of control. Sure, both COMPANIES are full of faggots but only one has a level of IP control that can force you to accept the girldick as an official,position.
>>92731039nah nah sorry battletecher you lost this one looking at battletech general im already feeling the "Adult" there
>40k fans and battletech fans competing which one is harder ignored by their respective companies
>>92731053>judging an entire global community by a general thread on the autismaxxing board of a Finngolian reindeer appreciation websiteYou’re only like this because you never go outside, mingle socially, or have friends. Try going to your local games club after showering and taking your anti-sperg pills holy shit.
>>92727734I got into Mechwearrior online for a few weeks over the summer and the number of trannies I met was mindblowing. The first one I met I referred to as a dude, and he told me he was actually a trans woman, and then said this is what he sounds like now, but *lowers his voice to it's natural pitch* THIS IS WHAT I USED TO SOUND LIKE. I was like okay fucking weirdo. Don't even really care about the issue that much but I was immediately like this guy is retarded.
>>92727775PIRATED Warhammer. At least the Warhammer community isn't completely infiltrated, compared to what happened to Battletech.
>>92727801Middle dude said the same thing as the last one, he said PIRATED Warhammer.
>>92732983just say we get more pussy than you
>>92732983woof that's a take. you seem reasonable but infected by boomervision
>>92733055Not beating the porn addict allegations.
>>92731460Battletech is entirely played by grogs in their basements ranting about how clans ruined battletech forever or gay autistic zoomers playing matched point mech fights at stores.
>>92733071He's mostly right though. I even believe that people with gender dysphoria exist, or more or less "woman brain in a man's body", but they are super rare and this does not describe 99.9% of trans people. Almost every mtf person I've met has been the most masculine-brained, and most of the time bodied people. Yes, tell me you have the brain of a woman while you talk technical information at me regarding your special interest for 20 minutes straight, completely oblivious to the fact you are being rude/selfish and are making the entire room uncomfortable.I even feel bad for those small percentage of people who are genuinely woman-brained and trapped in a male body, because their only choices are be miserable, or be associated with you, which might be worse.
>>92733072how does having sex make me a porn addict? lmao
>>92733055Not on topic and also not a refutation, narcissist.
Battletech is miserable to play though and alpha strike is just 40k for retards. Don't see the appeal.
>>92733124We’re steering into dangerous waters here re staying on-topic. Remember that much like our hobbies, autogynephilic failed men love nothing more than every thread discussing their impact on society be boiled down to “you have to concede everything we want you to or you’re a bad person’. Hence why they are the chosen shock troops for progressive takeover of ‘straight’ male hobbies like Btech and 40K.Let’s just agree that no good can possibly come out of conceding even a millimetre of a game or setting’s canon to these insane freaks.GW will learn through pain when in a decade, flyer going fully woke, nobody is buying their shit and every YT video and online discussion is going to be about whether it’s erasure of nonbinary asexual identity to have female Orks vs pathological patriarchal chauvinism to not have them.
>>92733208I think its happening now, between lines being cut out, and the new price rises, all the ''new fans'' are already up in arms and for them it's easy to walk away...they never were committed/invested in the first place.
>>92733189It's ok, son, lots of fellas experience low testosterone these days. Increase your intake of red meat and try playing Classic BattleTech again next week.
>>92733277I started playing both in 1987 when I was a kid. Btech for the cheap game and stompy bots, and 40K for the sheer lunacy of the setting and the fact that it could be an rpg as easily as a wargame.Now that I find both to be infested with faggots and bending the knee to latecomers with agendas I won’t be financially SUPPOOOORTing GW or CGL any longer. I have multiple rulesets for both IPs, a huge backlog of models, and no desire to chase metas or be abused in my own hobby for defending it against uncharacteristic woke infiltration.Mark my words, though. GW and CGL are going to find the next few years very tough. The only reason to buy ‘official’ miniatures and rules is to partake in ‘official’ tournaments. And if in those tournaments your right to free belief and speech is curtailed as a form of political control, then only the faggots enforcing the rules will be the ones enjoying them. As 3D printing gets cheaper and easier, more and more people will abandon the need to buy ‘official’ miniatures as less and less people want to attend ‘official’ events. People will tire of the horrible balance issues, short edition cycle and hollow virtue signalling (especially GW paypigs). Mainstream wargaming will return to the cottage industry and activity it used to be and GW and CGL will eventually run out of things they can whore out for cash.This is NOT a good time to be buying shares in these companies.
>>92733124eh I mean I'll bite but somehow I feel your mind is already totally made up>he's mostly righthe's conflating multiple narratives to get the picture he wants and not looking any deeper. should he? idk. seems a bit masturbatory to me but ok.>I even believe people with gender dysphoria exist.cool. it always seemed like a weird thing to lie about, and I can see how the 'delusional/traumatised' argument would be convincing, but the 'pervert' thing just comes off super bad faith. if weird old guys want to get off there are way easier ways>they are super rareso I mean tell me how you feel so comfortable thinking you have a whole group of people figured out... >almost every mtfidk if this is worth getting into bc there's a lot at play here but I can if you want. I've seen how the cookie crumbles lmao... >feel badyeah, it's pretty tragic. pretty revealing people to be around. >or be associated with youwhat did I even do? I'm kinda autistic but I'm not a problem for other people. you're familiar with the gross overbearing people you see places like here and at an lgs lol. please, have some grace
glad I play historicals, that old fashioned politeness is still the norm where even very politically active people realise nobody wants to hear or read endless culture war shitflinging
>>92733152>how does having sex make me a porn addict? lmaoYou know that I was talking about bringing up sex, not the having sex part.Also purposely framed this so that a refutation would sound like I am conceding to the original claim.The only reason you types like to play these stupid disingenuous word games is because you know that you are wrong and actually engaging with my points would make you sound like a dumbass.
>>92733445>As if summoned by some strange magic, a troon appears and tries to change the topic to the pros and cons of trooning out.Sir, this is a thread about gaming.
>>92733507ya ok I'm done>>92733512yeah, I can't reach you. good night and good luck with your gender stuff
>>92733464Go into the historical wargaming general and ask whether Flames of War or Bolt Action is the better historical wargame and see how long the ‘old fashioned politeness’ lasts LOLI swear the ASL spergs make Napoleonics players look suave.
So is battletech the new scene where everyone insists all the players are chad war vet boomers simulating real experiences from charlies jungles now that guard are seen as gay and lowbrow?
>>92733588It’s literally a setting where nobody gives a shit about the in-game characters outside of ‘how well can you pilot a mech’. It’s why inserting trans and gay shit into the setting is weird. Gender reassignment a thousand years in the future may well be done by gene therapy, or some other undetectable process, making ‘trans rights’ an absolute nonsense because trans people will be robbed of the ability to claim they’re simultaneously ’women’ and, for the purposes of socio-political clout, ‘not-women’ as well.Most Btech players I know are straight white college educated guys, some of whom have military backgrounds (like myself) but most are pure civvie.
>>92727215>Are you also afraid of their prices increasing?I'm more afraid of their points decreasing. Look at a 2k Admech or Tau army list from a 10th edition tournament, tally up what that army would have been worth in 9th edition points, and I guarantee you it's going to be close to 4k. Even if the prices stayed the same, an army today would cost nearly double what it did just a year or two ago. The price hikes are nothing next to the point nerfs.
>>92733653Not to mention that the boards are choked with models these days. I played a lot of 3e to 5e (and I mean a lot, 180+ 1500pt games a year for 5 years) and there was always a sense of maneuver. Now the tabletops are shrinking and the armies are getting bigger, making everything feel crowded and blunting the feel of the clever outflank or perfectly timed assault.You can see a lot of this in the fact that games in 3e-5e normally went the full 6 turns whereas tournament play now has people getting tabled in 3-4 turns by meta chasers as the fucking merry faggots of Shittingham desperately release tweak after tweak to correct stuff that used to work out of the box.All systems naturally evolve to complexity and the overwhelming feeling I get from current day 40K is that the bloated model lines and shitty playtesting means that balance is something only your grand-dad used to need.
>>92734260>we play literally 120 games for balance!Explain 10e Eldar mortal wound spamming then you fucktards.
>>92734267>in a game this complex, lots more combinations and situations ariseThen stop adding factions and units nobody wants, James. Every faction you add is (n+1)^2 complexity, and new units are even worse.
>>92734427That’s part of the stupidity of their business model. Gotta get you to buy new books every three years, new models s often as possible etc. You cant tell me that Primaris wasn’t a massive cash grab. All they can do apart from forcing book sales is add new armies and units.40K will probably get Sigmared in the next 3-5 years because that’ll be the only way to keep the company afloat.
>>92734576Primaris WAS 40k getting Sigmared. They're 40k's Stormcast.
>>92733416> And if in those tournaments your right to free belief and speech is curtailed as a form of political control, then only the faggots enforcing the rules will be the ones enjoying them.Yeah, nothing is better for share prices than regularly having people in 1488 T-shirts showing up to your official tournaments with their SS-themed Imperial Guard army while talking about the great replacement and the inferiority of niggers. Amazing insight anon.
>>92734761Nice strawman. Funnily enough Soviet commies killed far more people than the Nazis did yet nobody seems to have issues with Soviet-themed marines…
>>92734859It’s always the same whataboutism.
>>92727215You are all welcome to join
>>92727749NTA, but what if your goal is just to have fun and not to kill GW?
Do they actually have anything close to competitor when it comes to the quality of the kits themselves?Don't really care about any attached rules or games, I don't enjoy that part of the hobby at all
>>92727215Mildly, but there’s so many sellers of 6-28mm miniatures from every historical era you can always jump to another manufacturer.
>>92727942You can blame /b/ and /pol/ for that. They gave 4chan the reputation it has today. If it weren't for the little stunts autists from those boards have pulled over the years that got media attention, most people wouldn't even know this site exists.
>>92735141>wanting 40kfugeesI want mates to play with, not whiny bitches.
>>92733505your post was the one that originally brought up sex and agp trans women being attracted to pussy.
>>92735815>I want matesIf you're here, that ship sailed a while ago
>>92734761Something like that almost happened once except it was one guy and he was ejected from the tournament. Are you going to complain to Warlord Games that Bolt Action prominently features the real, actual Nazis?
>>92735843Playmates, dear zoomer coomer.
>>92735853I know what you meant, you friendless limey.
>>92735844Portrayal of nazis in historical context =/= unironical fantasy nazi larp
>>92735864No you didnt, coomer. You porn-addicted wanker. Married to his arm.
>>92735815Then make a custom army with non GW miniatures, and show them the infinite possibilities man...
>>92735872>wanker>married to his armFag talk like that is why you're friendless, nigel.>Captcha: NRDS
>>92735953Shut up, you little cockwaffle. Your pitiful attempts at projection only amuse me.
>>92727775The funniest ones are the ones that say shit like>40k and aos?>no thanks too woke>I'll stick with horus heres and the old world
>>92735141>combining hits and woundsYeah nah
>>92727215I feel like it’s safe to assume that any post with a tranime image is just full blown faggotry.
>>92727215GW makes yearly price adjustments. Those adjustments are never downwards. You'd think folks would see the pattern, but go figure.Other games tend to cost less, so that's not really the issue.There's also some fear of not being able to find games. Usually it takes someone laying out the initial expenditure and becoming the local advocate for the game before anyone starts taking it seriously. Like for example: i got into Malifaux in 2012. I had to sign up as the store's henchman and start running demos and tournaments before anyone else really paid any attention to it. The game has a small but very active local community now.
How many threads do we need gloating about GW paypigs getting their backs flayed?
>>92743469>I want to throw more dice for no reasonTry yahtzee
>>92744417As long as there are piggies, there will be people pointing and laughing at them
>>92744435the people who are gloating like to shit up the board with tranime. they’re objectively worse than any GW paypig.
>>92727215Not as easy as it sounds.With most products, the rational consumer (which is sadly a myth) can just go to a competitor. If your local supermarket's tomatoes are overpriced and overripe, you can go to the local farmer's market for fresh and cheap ones.With certain products, part of the product is the community that comes with it. This is why Twitter/X prospers, despite Elon Musk deliberately tanking it (uhhh... based?) or why WoW spent so much time as the unchallenged MMORPG king despite objectively better alternatives propping up pretty regularly.If you just care about painting miniatures there's some good alternatives to GW, but good luck getting a group to play the corresponding game with you.Circling back to the beginning, a lot of it also comes down to consumers being retards. Look at video games: why do companies like EA keep getting away with selling unfinished games with overpriced pre-order packages and a cavalier "we'll fix it with patches" attitude? Because gamers keep buying these pre-order packages. At worst they'll leave bad reviews for a product they already paid for, then they fall for the exact same trick after the publisher promises them this time will be different. You'd think "baby, I can change!" would stop working after a while...
>>92747429>If you just care about painting miniatures there's some good alternatives to GW, but good luck getting a group to play the corresponding game with you.warhammer is popular enough that literal retards that are so lazy they won't lift a bar of soap can roll into a store and still get a pick up game with zero prior organisation, just because other games take more effort doesn't mean that nobody plays them, that's a retarded cope by and for retarded sacks of shit
