The 40k monopoly is only bad because all guys do is use a 3D printer to.....just play Warhammer. How people were hurting GW back in the days of 7th was playing other games like Infinity, Warmachine, Guild Ball, X wing.What happened to being Wargamer fans? Its like you are Warhammer first, and Wargaming second.
>>92726777The vast majority always were Warhammer fans first, wargaming not at all. You don't have to like reality, but you should at least learn to recognise it.
>>92727101look your a chud just play bolt action youll be much happier
>>927267773d Printers are hurting GW so bad that they are forced to charge more. They charge more because GW fans are paypigs and will keep buying anyways.
>>92726777Why did you make a separate thread? Didn't get enough (you)s here? >>92726567>>92727101June 10.
>>92727141>aren't* hurting GWfucking typo.
>>92727141You 3d printer fags are deluded you barely hurt GW if you continue to print to play GW. You kill the company by supporting other games not playing knock off warhammer. Your hobby is not war gaming its just Warhammer
>>92727127But I've got 3 armies and 2 more in my backlog and people at the store love my painting. Nah. I'll keep going and showing off my stuff. There'll just be a lot more 3d printed stuff than before
>>92727173Im sorry if other Wargames suck>Do I be an old person and larp the battle of the bulge or some other historical slop>Infinity looks gay>Other war games look gay>Star wars is gay
>>92727101> I'm done with GW> YES I'm still going to play their games, look at shit on their community website, watch Warhammer creators on various platforms, and generally increase awareness of the IP and brand increasing its valueFucking idiots
>>92727198> GW is actively promoting the 'Wall Breakers' fan marines in all the colors of the LGBTQRSWADJTKTOTN+ rainbow> but OTHER Games are gay!!!Anon... I dont know how to tell you this...
>>92727200>>92727173Aw are you sad shills? Who cares we will still hurt GW by printing, pirating, and ignoring nu lore.40k is ours not theirs we will still be there when GW dies
>>92727200Nope. I'm going to show off my 3d printed models and tell people where to get them. I may even print stuff for them. The LGS will be super OK with this because guess what - GW has been giving them the high hat for years. Treating them like shit.GW abandoning blood bowl was the best thing to happen to the game. I expect if GW goes under, it will be similarly healthy for 40k as a system
>>92727232>>92727222>>92727214Okay but....what makes playing new games so hard?>Cheaper than GW>Easier to get into than GW>Better rules than GW
>>92727244Did you miss the part where I told you I had 5 armies? I'm invested! But I'm willing to play OPR as well. And /fourk/ looks interesting
>>92727269post models
>>92727274Here's one of three. I also have a black legion army I've posted several times before on /40kg/. Not much of my third army is out there and that's on purpose
Wargaming is just dead. People just only like Warhammer even if they hate GW they would rather still not bother playing other games. All 3D printing does is push GWs mindshare more in the end but no one wants to admit it
>>92727307Here's Fabaddon
>>92727101>IM DONE WITH GW>PRINTER GO BRRRRRR >Anyway im just gonna print to still do Warhammer crap
>>92727340My two unpainted armies are space marines and tyranids. Most of my space marine stuff came with things I want actually interested in. Natch the tyranids. I have inroads into SoB and admach thanks to imperium magazine. I was good for $2-3k a year all by myself. I'm buying clothes with my spare money now. Seams this new hobby may have its own rewards
>>92727408>>>PRINTER GO BRRRRRR>he doesn't knowLOL, lmfao perchance
>>92726777All the other ones commited commercial suicide in one way or another. Alot of it can be blamed on Hasbro/Assmodee/CMON/TTG, but certain others like warmachine and Infinity just shat the bed on their own, Warmachine being so extremely greedy that they make GW look like saints and Infinity discarding their old anime like style for a soulless woke corpo aesthetic with insultingly bad CADslop.
>>92726777Tourist here, I see all of your warhammer threads and you never seem to talk about the game. I have a vague idea of how various games I've never played work just from reading /tg/ threads, but I still have no clue what the gameplay of warhammer is likeAll warhammer "players" seem to talk about is lore, so it seems that most of them are warhammer fans first and wargaming fans second.
Wait there was another price increase?
Pondering how to kill 40k at my LGS's, holler if I'm on the right track (any army done like this would just be left at the LGS' doorstep overnight, they wouldn't dare throw them away because it's still free models)>Stick as many N52 magnets as possible into an army so other people's models crash into them/electronics are at serious risk when they're around>bait a skunk to piss on the army somehow/douse the fuckers in axe body spray and do everything to make sure the smell is permanent.>put it together with the scientifically weakest superglue I can find and purposely break specific bits in advance so they outright crumble in people's hands>3d print the entire thing with 1:1 STLs of plastic kits then paint it like shit to bait the idiot that gets it into throwing away time and rubbing alcohol when their attempt to strip them melts everything
>>92728246Drill out the minis, fill the insides with grinded fish paste (works well on kataphrons) and cover the hole with plasticard and sprue glueIn about 3 months the decomposition will shit out gases and the mini will literally explode or squirt vile rot juice all over the table
>>92727754players take turns. during your turn, you move your army, then resolve shooting, then resolve any charges/melee combat, then the turn ends and it's the next player's turn to do all the above with his army, too. this is called a I GO U GO type system, as opposed to the alternating activation system, where each player takes turn having an individual unit do something, back and forth until all units have acted
>>92727754Its because the games arent good. Theyre neither>innovativeThere isnt anything GW does better than the competition except the competition doesnt exist. The rules are janky as fuck and every previous edition was full of bloat>immersiveFor a wargame theres no simulation. Higher ground barely matters, no environment hazards, no vehicle facings, no destructable terrain>strategicAll abilities are numbers modifiers. Theres almost no displacement abilities or crowd controlOverall theres not a lot you can do but push units into each other and roll. Most datasheets are so fucking boring that you'll forget their rules
>>92727232Can I ask how them printing different models of stuff for people that want it affects you at all?Go cry in your hole boomer.
Company forced to raise prices due to thinking of bigger numbers.
>>92727101some other anon says it best.I can deal with pandering to degeneratesI can deal with price hikesI can deal with shitty rules.I cant deal with all of these things at once. GW got a pass for a long fucking time because they were GW and they did put out good kits, but anymore its not worth it. warhammer 40k died for me with 8th ed, and the only thing that has me interested at all in GW is HH and ToW hwich i have all that i need for that. Me and my friends are going back to 3rd ed because we are sick of this shit. 40k is going to go the same way hasbro went with DnD right into the fucking ground. Remember, never get mainstream, and if you do, dont go public.
GW are using the 'cost of living crisis', as a smoke and mirrors to obfuscate their yearly price increase.Sure it may be in line with UK inflation, but they do a price rise pretty much every year without fail.Still, rookie numbers, €41 for 10 Necron Warriors, GW should be aiming high, €50... come on GW, you know you want to, just do it
>>92728626Or play another game
>>927286713rd ed is basically another game.
You can't even get 40k fans to play 40k, what makes you think you can get them to play something else? Like, 90% of 40k discussion, outside of here, is story time for fucking babies too stupid to read a book.
>>92729205>is story time for fucking babies too stupid to read a book.Thats why we ended up with modern 40k now, "To many rules!" pussies bitched about things being non issues in 3rd-7th ed so they made it returned.
>>92728716natch OPR. I'm curious about the /fourk/ project. I understand where the 'why not play other games' people are coming from. but they need to understand as well that people aren't going to abandon their models or the collections they've been working on for years. they'll keep taking them to the store with them and playing with their friends. they don't need to stop just because GW decided to commit suicide. like I said before, GW abandoning Blood Bowl was the best thing to happen to it. And barring GW deciding that it doesn't want to commit suicide after all, I look forward to the best thing to happen to 40k to come to pass as well
Y'all such drama queens. It's just an 8-12% price increase where I live. It's literally nothing. Y'all not supposed to be in this hobby if you can't afford a box of toy soldiers.
>>92730398>why not play other games'These people are disengenuious as fuck, saying "Play another game" is like telling people to not use Windows or Mac, yeah you can, good luck getting people in your area to go with it. The /fourk/ projects im interested in as well jsut to see where i goes.
>>92730453>Y'all such drama Frogs. It's just a 1-2 Degree increase where Im swimming. It's literally nothing. Y'all not supposed to be in this pot if you can't handle a little heat.I remember when a tac squad was 40 bucks, 5 man terminators were 50, and deathwing were 55. and thats considered pricy too.
>>92730494>"Play another game" is like telling people to not use Windows or MacIt is pretty easy, to be fair. What makes this a bad comparison is that assembling a whole new army for a different system requires a lot of money unless you have a 3D printer, weeks of assembly and paint, and getting others to invest similarly. Linux has a variety of install complexities across distros nowadays and BSD is also a good option.
>>92730579>requires a lot of money unless you have a 3D printer,Even with a 3d printer i costs a lot of money, its just a matter of where you spend it.
>>92730586they're finicky as well. and resin is gross. all GW had to do was make sure people lacked motivation. it's astonishing how incompetent GW leadership is
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>>92727101>aggressively anticompetitive hypercapitalist entity beholden to shareholders seeking perpetual growth>"kneeled to the marxists"
>>92726777It's sheer momentum at this point. GW has become so big in the tabletop wargaming scene that people play their games even if they don't like them simply because they are readily available. A lot of people do express interest in other wargames, but when they go to their local store and only see GW games being played, it discourages them from trying other games and makes them just go back to Warhammer.This really is the only reason why GW is able to maintain their monopoly. Monopolies are extremely hard to break without government intervention, which is why most 1st world countries have anti-monopoly laws. Unfortunately, those laws are almost never enforced. If they were enforced, GW would probably be forced to break up into three or four different companies with each one getting only one of GW's currently wargames.
>>92727173This is a strawman argument. Most people who 3D print don't do it to hurt GW, they do it because it's the cheaper option. And as a customer, if you aren't trying to get the most amount of product for the lowest possible price, you are doing a disservice to yourself and the economy.
>>92730641>This really is the only reason why GW is able to maintain their monopoly. Monopolies are extremely hard to break without government intervention, which is why most 1st world countries have anti-monopoly laws. Unfortunately, those laws are almost never enforced. If they were enforced, GW would probably be forced to break up into three or four different companies with each one getting only one of GW's currently wargames.If they would be smart they would break up into 3 companies.Model makersRule writers/game makersPublishing.
>>92730633the arch capitalists are using the marxists. it turns out marxists will settle for power and being able to mete out social and professional death sentences over actual socialist policies like universal health care, housing or basic income. I'm sure they're being told all those things will come after the revolution. after the existing order is destroyed, and humanism along with it
>>92730543Fuck you for doxxing me you piece of shit.
>>92727213Not what he said. He said all wargames are gay, except historicals. But who wants to play with a bunch of crusty old men trying to larp as real world generals? So if all games are gay, it only makes sense to keep playing the most popular one so you can at least, you know, play.
>>92727244>what makes playing new games so hard?Lack of players. I can go to my local store and have a game of 40k or AoS within a few minutes. The only other game I see being played on a semi-regular basis is Grimdark Future, but that still uses GW models anyway so that counts as Warhammer too.
>>92730494well I've lived a lot of places that aren't particularly populous and still had healthy wargaming scenes, problem is /tg/ is full of the norf fc looking stinky retards that haunt stores with greytides or fingerpaint looking armies for pick up games, they will not put in any more effort than the absolute minimum required
>>92726777The issue is all TTG companies with the exception of GW have no idea how to market their product. CONQUEST and ASOIAF are two games with great potential to take over but both of their owners do almost zero marketing with the exception of giving some random YouTuber a box of models to paint. It’s pretty sad how retarded some of these companies are
>>92726777It's funny how you never see this kind of argument really in sports. It's perfectly acceptable to be a fan of a particular team, or only follow your national, then have zero interest in the sport in general beyond them - indeed, the people who obsess over every tiny detail of the sport and watch any instance of it religiously are considered fucking weirdos.You get it, right, that you're the weirdo? You're the wargaming equivalent of that guy who'll watch some random lower division Indian cricket match if it's on just because "it's sports" and your single remaining braincell can't bear to be alone in the cavernous void of your skull.
>>92734982equating GW fans with a bunch of non-players cheering on a team from the sidelines with zero intellectual curiosity about the sport itself is highly accurate considering how many non-players and orbiters demand to be taken seriouslyit'd be pretty bizarre though if players had little to no interest in the sport itself
