Incarnate Elemental edition>The Latest Warhammer The Old World NewsMTO O&G, new Grombrindal if you ignore the siggypiggy basehttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/04/saturday-pre-order-white-dwarf-500-legions-imperialis-and-made-to-order-orcs-goblins/https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/19/make-elisse-duchaard-shine-with-painting-tips-from-the-warhammer-team/https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/19/of-bones-and-barons-the-warhammer-studio-shows-off-their-tomb-kings-and-bretonnians/>TOW Official Website and Resources:https://www.theoldworld.com/https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0HWarhammer Chronicles: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zipTime of Legends: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zipET: https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zipTOW: https://gofile.io/d/ffbanD>Warhammer Wikis:https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Warhammer_Wikihttps://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>92705617>Thread Question:Which incarnate should they conjure up next and what form should it take?
Just started assembling this model and I already fucking love it so much it's unreal. Peak sovl. Resin was annoying to work with but the design and detail are amazing.
>>92723982Sovl...
Ideas for a Bret hippogryph conversion?
>>92723959>TQId like to see what they come up with for an incante of metal
>>92724023I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you want models to convert into a hippogriff? Things you could convert one into? Things you could convert into a counts as?
>>92724012The perfect summary of what Warhammer style and tone should be.
Would a Norse AoI include yhetees, like they have in blood bowl?
>>92723959>Which incarnate should they conjure up next and what form should it take? Like AoS endless spells.None. They are retarded ideas.
>>92723966 A nice coat of texture paint before priming lmao.Be kind to them it's not their fault they look like this.
What are the advantages of open order units vs closed order? They are still stuck in rank and file vs a skirmish unit which can be an irritating irregular screen right?
>>92723982Im so fucking pissed I forgot the pre-order date and missed out. Did you get the necrolith bone colossus too?Hopefully there will be a 2nd wave.
>>92723959My army takes its first squelching steps forth from the mist.
>>92724283posting the Satyr Art Studio pic of them too because mine lost all the detail.
>>92724039Well...yes. I don't want to drop 150+ on an ebay oop model. Do you think they will make a lord on hippogryph model? Shod I try for the aos counts as? I want a Duke on hippogryph wat do?
>>92724023>>92724642I'd just look around at other hippogriph models from other companies and find one you like, then do the same for your lord.Iron Wind, Ral Partha Legacy, etc.
>>92723982Over derailed schlock
>>92724012needs more gobbos
Why do Fireglaives only have 18 inch range, no volley fire OR fight in extra rank? Why would i ever take them over blunderbusses? Also how the fuck do blunderbusses have volley fire but fireglaives dont?!
>>92724720I have 0 games in TOW but playing tournaments isn't out of the question.What gw models could potentially count?I've done 40k tournaments in 5th and 6th edition and there was a limit on 3rd party models. How does that Impact TOW?
>>92716612Will be nightmare to place it on 50x25 base.
>>927240124th edition Tiranoc Chariot was so cool
>>92724987They look like they're sitting comfortably on the 35x65, shouldn't be hard to put on 25x50
>>92724292>lost all the detailit's just that bare metal is hard to take pictures of I got his slann and they were downright perfect
>>92723959Is this an appropriate model to use as a Bretonnian Lord on foot?
>>92725141You would need to cover or replace the sigmarite comets and give him a better helmet, maybe
>>92724898Hybrid unit curse
>>92723959>Which incarnate should they conjure up next and what form should it takeShadows. Would look like a either a mass of dark fog in the shape of a wolf or snake
Deeply enjoy slamming tuskgor and razorgor chariots into infantry blocks my dudes. Recommended.
>>92725360I wish the beastmen chariots looked better
Had my first game of old world yesterday and I'm thinking of building towards this list as I have most of the models already. What do you think, teegee?++ Characters [994 pts] ++Master Necromancer [370 pts](Hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, General, Abyssal Terror, Sceptre Of De Noirot, Spell Familiar, Hand Of Dust, Burning Blade, Necromancy)Wight Lord [132 pts](Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer [Banner Of The Barrows], On foot)Vampire Count [492 pts](Hand weapon, No armour, Shield, Coven Throne, Dawnstone, Ogre Blade, Supernatural Horror, Dark Magic)++ Core Units [524 pts] ++20 Grave Guard [348 pts](Hand weapons, Heavy armour, Shield, Drilled (0-1 per 1000pts), Implacable Defence (0-1 per 1000pts), Seneschal, Standard bearer [Drakenhof Banner], Musician)10 Skeleton Warriors [65 pts](Hand weapons, Light armour, Shield, Skeleton Champion, Standard bearer, Musician)10 Skeleton Warriors [65 pts](Hand weapons, Light armour, Shield, Skeleton Champion, Standard bearer, Musician)5 Dire Wolves [46 pts](Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons), Doom Wolf)++ Rare Units [482 pts] ++5 Blood Knights [241 pts](Hand weapons, Lances, Iron-Shod Hooves, Full Plate Armour, Shield, Barding, Kastellan, Standard bearer, Musician)5 Blood Knights [241 pts](Hand weapons, Lances, Iron-Shod Hooves, Full Plate Armour, Shield, Barding, Kastellan, Standard bearer, Musician)---Created with "Old World Builder"[https://old-world-builder.com]
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>>92725168>give him a better helmetTo be fair I think that said helmet makes for a decent love-child between a bretonnian great helmet and the tilean barbute, making it close to ideal for some Bretonnian Exile lord holding court amongst the Border Princes.
>>92724898>Why would i ever take them over blunderbusses?Longer range, higher strength, armor bane and slightly cheaper.
>>92724283>>92724292Swunkz
>This means that from the 10th June we’ll be increasing some prices in our Warhammer stores and on Warhammer.com.fucking hell mate
>>92725864Wasn't it proved that they rise prices above what inflation would be?
>>92725864>sweden and norway prices are increased by 8-14%Damn those guys got fucked, surprised straya wasn't on the list
Which should I commit to of Warrior of Chaos, Night Gobbos (with black orks friends) or empire? Play group is starting WoC, brets x 2 and vamp counts
>>92725864Lol. If you're still buying GW in 2024, you deserve to pay rube prices.
>>92725929an empire with lots of shooting is probably What's adding the most variety to your games, as much as I dislike gunlinespersonally I'd have gone gobbos because they're lovely
>>92725929Clearly the greenskins since your group already has humans and chaos.
>>92725945Its not a good idea to market to grogs, as they tend to know where to get proxies for cheap.
>>92725864>New dwarf stuff release date, June 11th.
>>92725878It's not like they were selling their products as cheap as they could get away with. They probably have a pretty comfortable profit margin already even if some of the production costs have been affected by inflation.
>>92725878They'll keep doing it too, because they know people will still buy it. Line MUST go up.
>>92725141You would need to do some annoying ass conversion work and sculpt the helmet and hair to not look like shit. Maybe convert the hammer into a morningstar
>they raised the prices AGAINSo glad I got a 3D printer
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>>92726294>>927258643rd party CHADS stay winning
>buying from James in current yearhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE
>watching through tilea's trouble>reach this parthonestly spooked the shit out of me
>stuck waiting for my basing material to cure so I can continue on my bsb paintjob
>>92726458Then spend a sec to post a WIP pic of him, ya goofball.
why did they make empire characters so dogshit?>general has goblin-tier statline>grandmaster is bloated with special rules that make him more expensive than a fucking black orc>not even that fighty
>>92725094They don't only need to fit on the base, they need to also fit nice in a rank. The support rat looks like he's gonna be an obstacle.
>>92725801Its not that much longer range desu
>>92725971I'm tempted by goblins but not sure how to list build them beyond lots of fuckers with spears and herds of squigs and hoppers
>>92726521Not much but enough that it could get you an extra shot in a game. To make blunderbuss squad comparable to fireglaive in combat you would need to buy them a shield which is another extra point per unit.
>>92726489>>general has goblin-tier statlineAnon he is a lot WORSE than a goblin. The empire general has a hero tier statline, the empire captain is a glorified unit champion.
>>92726549I mean i was most likely giving fireglaives shields anyway because for some ungodly reason they dont have full plate anymore unlike in 8th
>>92725141I think he needs a helmet, and you would need to remove the comet imagery, but that sword and board build could make for a gnarly exile baron.
Time to learn blender
>>92726550And here I thought the chorf melee characters were done dirty
>>92726559ye ok if you aren't planning on using the fireglaives in combat but only for shooting then you are right that blunderbuss seem like the easy choice
>>92726489To balance an army of drilled heavy cav and cannons
>>92726582I think i might just try to playtest and make my own chorf arcane journal. Ill just start by changing up infernal guard and having them replace ironsworn.
>>92726615Drilled cav is cool. The actual stat block is meh for the points on both. Cannons also got heavily nerfed this edition. People aren't running deep units, even if they are you can only hit one per rank, they're worse into monsters, and monster mounted characters get to stack saves to the point the cannons stop mattering. Then on top of it Empire has some of the worst magic items out there, and no special rules.
>>92726722>this editionWhich edition?
>>92724277They've definitely refilled some of the stuff already (Necrosphynx for example before it sold out again) so you'll have you chance again one day.I was a bit tight on money so I had to choose between colossus or the casket...
You haven't forgotten to pay your taxes have you /tg/?
>>92726722Hold the line not also allowing the unit to take break tests on cold blooded Ld seems like a huge oversight.
>>92726804TOW. The one with drilled.
>>92726842Empire in general feels like a huge oversight. If the lesser priests were ld8, greater ones ld9 they also might actually be useful. Currently they fail leadership way too easily. Witch Hunters might be useful if you picked game to game instead of in listbuilding.
>>92726836Oh shit I actually forgot to file mine thanks anon
>>92726849Oh, I see. Sorry I don't play the game I just find the minis nice to look at.
>>92726836We need the new Marienburg book NOWStop stalling and give us new BOOKS C7
>>92726905I'm out of the loop, the last book I saw C7 publishing was Sea of Claws and I think they had announced Lustria as well? What did they publish since then?
>>92726979Lustria is out. The released Archives of the Empire 3, Ubersreik Adventures 3, and a Greenskin book called Tribes and Tribulations.Next up are TWO Dwarf books (player and GM), TWO Elf books (player and GM), a Marienburg book, and a Rogue and Rangers focused book.
>>92727002>Greenskin book called Tribes and Tribulations.I think I remember some vague teasing about that. Something about it having hobgoblin shit? Sounds kino to expand the kind of game you could have. Is it more about resources for parties to interact with O&Gs or something more like CotHR where you could have a Skaven campaign?
>>92725878this has nothing to do with inflation, they have more than 80% margin, they could eat it up if they didnt think it would keep selling at any price
>>92725878Inflation isn't the main driving force behind their price increases, that'd be production costs. Even if they mark up the minis to oblivion it's just true they have a tendency to make increasingly more complex and elaborate products, so it's natural they'll reflect that on the price. Even older products will suffer because they can use those greater profits to further invest into newer and more complicated minis they'll be able to charge even more for.And it works, GW has been a highly profitable company over these last few years and that shouldn't change any time soon.
>>92726577The chorf player I know just runs a sorcerer-prophet and sometimes a daemonsmith if they're running artillery. Chorfs in general seem in a weird spot. Monster mounted characters, black orcs, and iron daemons seem like the best things they can do.
>>92727023Unfortunately no playable Greenskins; its essentially a very detailed Greenskin bestiary.
>>92727040>they have more than 80%Not quite, but close.>Gross Profits70%>EBITDA40%>Net Profits28%Filthy profitable company. 146.5 million fucking pounds in dividends, 4.24 earnings per share with shares traded at 95-ish pounds. Not the craziest return rate but something good to dump excess cash in and just forget it as a long-term investment. Shares are at a low now and should increase over the next couple years as the britbong market recovers.
>>92726465Started in a bit on the armour paneling.
>>92727138Lame, it was already a bummer the Tilea book didn't dlg8ve you anything for that kind of play considering there are canonical mercenary bands from evil factions like Greenskins and Undead operating there.
>>92727169There wasn't a Tilea book but Up in Arms covered it in a chapter.
>>92727273Yeah, that's the one. With the pizzaiolo girlboss halberdiers kek.I just memorize books by which area they cover, and Up in Arms got stuck in my head as the Tilea book for some reason, even though they stuff for the Empire Knightly Orders was the best part of it iirc.
>>92727158the actual problem is that they dont have the capacity, if they could double the production of plastic they could slash prices by half and pay for the expansion in less than a year and still sell all of it, or not and just double profit of course
>>92727415They're a company, not your friend. They only care about the quality of the hibby they fuel insofar as it makes them money. That much CapEx won't give them proportional returns, so why would they do that? Cash cash cash, that's what matters.
>>92727494i'm very aware, id dint say there whereits just sad that everything boils down to 'line goes up'
>>92727524I know. I'm not talking back at you, just complementing your post.
>>92726905Marienburg books isn't even the writing stage yet so it's going to be a while
>>92726905>>92727562It'd be cool if they gave us some production updates, a lot time has passed since the last one
>>92727562Damn did they confirm that somewhere? I thought one of the writers said they were in the middle of it and were implementing as much of the old stuff as possible.
>>92727582from an interview that was released while back with the writer of the original marianburg book who is also working on the new one and has done some other stuff for 4e includeing the tilea section for Up in Armshttps://illmetbymorrslieb.wordpress.com/2024/04/24/interview-with-anthony-ragan/>Zekiel: Can you tell us anything about how you went about updating information on the city for the current 4th edition of WFRP?>Anthony: I can’t say too much, because of NDAs, but right now we’re collecting information on what’s been said in which source and deciding what to include. So, things are still very much in the planning stages.
>>92727528as if big companies in any part of the world behaved differenlty
>>92725121it was also pretty late so my lighting was bad. they're fucking gorgeous - I hope he makes more.
>>92725141>sigshitno
>>92727971dwarfs if you're fat
>>92728007undead if you are dead inside
>>92727415>they could slash prices by halflol
>>92726836>No window taxGet good scrub.
>>92728150lizardmen if you're secretly a reptilian
>>92727579wasn't C7 meant to give a production update at the beginning of the month?
>>92724283>>92724292>Oh wow Fimir that don't take any liberties with the design these are awesome I'll order right awa...>28mm to the eyeSigh. I just want classic styled fimir that don't look silly next to the FW models :(
>>92727971What if I'm all three
>>92728848Dark Elves
>>92727415Even if they could do that, they don't *want* to. They see themselves as a boutique luxury product company in the same category as Rolex and Ferrari, not mere game and toy makers, and they see high prices as part of their image because people assume expensive=quality.They're delusional of course - luxury status brands are that because owning them signals that you have, you know, status and all owning Warhammer signals is that you're a nerd with poor impulse control - but they have a big enough captive audience that they can be as deluded as they want for the foreseeable future.
How do you prevent a block of 20 skellies from just crumbling to a single charge from knights? What are some tips to surviving fights so that I can invocation of nehek next turn?
>>92728364Needs more core work.
>>92728876>How do you prevent a block of 20 skellies from just crumbling to a single charge from knights?My making it a block of 30 skellies
>>92728923unfortunately i only have 20 skellies and 20 rave guard and way too many blood and black knights
>>92728862they have serious stocking problems, they would love to have more production capacity, but they are so stuck with their erp problems that they just can't expandbeing a luxury brand is one thing, seeing half the range of a game out of stock in their e-shop routinely is bad branding, ever seen a iphone out of stock?
>>92728985use fillers and get more skellies from oathmark,wga or something
>>92729015I suppose I could use the rave guard as more skellies in the meantime? Any tips running black knights and blood knights? I can see a wight lord with banner on the black knights for the 3+ to hit and maybe 8 blood knights with drilled to do a redress charge.
>>927240124-5e was a mistake muh fisher price warhammer
Rate my Empire listGeneral on twin headed imperial griffon, white cloak, full plate + shield, lanceWizard Lord, level 4 dark magic, lore familiar, talisman of protection, pegasusWizard Lord, level 4 daemonology, armour of tarnus, warhorse2x Engineers2x8 Empire Knights, lance, drilled, one full command, one champ + banner1x10 Handgunners, light armour, sergeant with Hochland long rifle1x4 Demigryph Knights, full plate, lance, champion + banner2x5 Greatswords, champion2x Hellblaster Volley Gun
>>92729321I hope you have some of that built and printed already anon.
>>92729321Probably the most meta Empire list you can make, and it looks like shit, congrats GW
>Fallen Countess adventure>various factions scheme and fight over a mysterious painting worth 15k GCs>PCs will probably assume its magical or that it holds some important secret>Nope, there is nothing magical about it, its just a regular painting, everyone wants it because its a real nude painting of Emanuelle of Nuln, she is embarrassed by it and is offering a huge bounty because she wants it destroyed forever9/10
With the nerf to artillery how useful are beastmen's harpies nowadays? Seems like they might still be useful as a general annoyance and wizard hunter.
>>92729481Someone jerked off to that.
>>92729467>Emanuelle seething because a too lifelike likeness depicted her flat ass chest
>>92729370Everything other than the peg wizard and greatswords are already painted.>>92729374No stank FWIW.
>>92729052can't help there im nogamesI do want some blood knights tho, the old ones mind you, in metal, fuck finecast
>>92728819But FW fimir don't match the classic style, they're their own thing. I personally wouldn't mix them, but if you want FW styled fimir I suggest Norba or Battle yak. If you just want big oldschool fimir, get them from Krakon Games. I'm going to run then with mixed sizes; shearls (ungors) and fimm (gors) are going to be human>orc size, fianna (bestigors) will be big fuckers. I see them as having a pretty shallow genepool so there's bound to be a bit of variety.
>>92729052You could use the skellies as GG or vice versa. Banner of Barrows and or Helm of Commandment and or Danse Macabre. Black Knights are a lot scarier hitting on 2+ instead of 4+.
>ogre bulls overruns my high elf archers after being locked into them being in breakable for two turns >instantly wind blasted off the board by my nothing personnel wizard behind them Kino just wish my silver helms didn’t whiff every single charge they made
>>92730442>unbreakable Fuck
>>92730442>just wish my silver helms didn’t whiff every single charge they madeSpare a thought for my poor friend who in his very first game with his shiny new Bretonnians had a unit of knights of the realm charge into some skeleton horsemen, killed a whopping two of them, then immediately lost five models when the skeletons fought back. Dudes straight up got the Uno reverse card pulled on them.
>>92730753Those knights got boned.
>>92726362ah! I had the exact same reacting.
>>92727971No wonder I like them so much
My opponent fed a unit of knights with a grand master the most points I think I will ever kill with one unit. They killed 3 carrion, a warsphinx, 3 necropolis knights, a tomb prince, and the bulk of a 24 man tomb guard unit (demis killed a few).
apparently GW is cancelling some MTOs and refunding people
What books specifically talk about the Storm of Chaos event?
>>92731653Storm of Chaos?
>>92729294>T. fun hater
>>92731563Oh really? Gotta source?
>>92731653>>92731712I think he means this:https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Storm_of_Chaoshttps://web.archive.org/web/20070102071158/http://stormofchaos.uk.games-workshop.com/default2.htm
>>92729845Goddamn those Battle Yak minis are sweeet. I like the little Morlock-style peons too.
>>92731563Lmao. It feels like they're trying real hard to sink TOW.
Stirland is the best provincestrongest menmost beautiful womennot even vampires can keep it down
where is the spell list for WHFRP 3rd edition?
>>92729481Bird bitch folklore is based. I wish harpies looked like this. Maybe Tzeentch would be more in tune with this vibe though, especially if you're going for a Gamayun/siren type deal
>>92732579Is it not in the mega?
>>92732595>dat bulge
>/tg/ doomposting about ToW >meanwhile>my friend and I are autistically obsessed with getting armies ready for the debut game>know 2 more warhammer 40k friends will most likely join as they game w us >comfiest time in my tabletop career (started in 7th 40k)I wish I could invite all the other anons who feel like we do to our based-ment "LGS".pic of some terrain I made for fantasy, gonna look sweet when I finish the orc outpost to go with it.
>>92732595which book, its not in the winds of magic book or the tome of mystery
>>92732666kino. I hope you guys have a lot of fun. and that my scene will open up to take me in when my shits painted.
Thinking about doing a tourney one of the days I'll be at a con this summer. How bad a time will I have in a tournament setting with Skaven?
>>92732963I personally think they're the worst army in TOW. Infantry and shooting isn't great this edition. Skaven has some of the better war machines, but your infantry is awful and your monsters and heavy chariots don't make up for it well.The two other armies that seem to struggle quite a bit are Empire and Dwarves Both of those also have solid warmachines, but dwarves have some of the best infantry units in the game, and empire can just choose not to take any infantry. If it's a 5 round tourney maybe you can drop the first couple games and have fun in the back half but I wouldn't bother in a 3 rounds.
I think my least favorite part of TOW is not the msu or monsters or whatever. I think it's how ridiculous movement is. Dwarves are the slowest army in the game and even they can do marching column + anvil of doom to move 18" up the board. Not to mention infantry squads popping steed of shadows and flying 24/36, or arcane urgency on drilled cav that can march 42" in one turn. There isn't really much time spent walking across the board.
>>92732666I wish I had friends
>>92732666Always good to hear people actually enjoying games, which armies are you guys autistically building
>>92733448O&G and Lizards. Other two showed interest in dwarven holds and Bretonnia. could be a kino mix I hope we are able to cbt them into it.
>>92723959Just ordered some cursed city bats to turn in to 3 bat swarms for my VC.My army has started bois.Now I just need to get my hands on some bases and basing supplies.1 unit on its way, only 5 more + characters to sort out now. Fml.
>>92733688I'd love to start vampire counts but everyone charges too much for the chaff, even printers.
>>92734245Yeah. Even if I did want to buy direct from GW, (I'd rather not), they don't really have a large selection of mini's I'm interested in using.I don't think the AoS skeleton warriors would look good in rank and file and I would prefer my dire wolves looking less like zombie wolves. Probably going to use Fenrisian wolves. Their Dire Bats are okay and the Black Knights are solid. Would 3rd party but no local game stores other than a GW. Fingers crossed they bring back the last lot of skeleton warriors that were replaced by the new AoS ones. Otherwise I might just use Grave Guard for them.Also keeping my list to 1000pts helps cut cost and makes the project much more manageable.
Why are skaven so bad at being rats? I mean, look at this dude. If you enlarged him to human sized, he could rip you to shreds. Meanwhile, your average skaven is just skin and bones and can't stand up to even a basic goblin. And then there's the absolutely antisocial behavior they practice when rats are actually on the higher end of the empathy curve for animals.
>>92734300Those skeletons need more love, really sucks they're stuck between the ancient plastics and the AoS sameposes.>>92734520The answer is gay-oss.
>>92734520Have you read the basics about skaven society? 99% of them eat and grow up in shit conditions.
Bretonnis newbie from past threads here. Knights coming along well and I already finished 14 of them with 6 of them being the GW Color Scheme. I also got one of my Friends into the Hobby who will Play Delfs. I am also getting an Orcs and Goblins Army so my Nephew/friends with no Armins and I can Play together.
>>92734733And IRL city rats don't? Pet rats can live 3-4 years, yet the wild ones live on average only up to 1 year. That's some extremely harsh living conditions.
>>92734520>IRL ratsskaven are not IRL ratsThey're chaos mutant evil ratmen born out of an evil chaos god and raised on magical evil uranium
>>92734520>if you scale this small animal then proportionally it would be this strong or this fast...Shut the fuck up, I'm fucking tired of hearing this bullshit repeated for literally every single fucking vermin, that's not how shit works.
>>92734783Wasn't it Skavor who created them? I know it was canon back in WFRP 2nd Edition. Skavor was an ancestor god who was exiled for the sin of fleshcrafting. As revenge, he took some dwarf children and twisted them into rats. We know that at least Skavor exists as there are several profane artifacts he created that are referenced even as recently as Total Warhammer III.
>>92734819Pound for pound, boards are about as strong as rats and you would definitely not want to run into an angry boar.
>>92734822either skavor, the horned rat or a fallen old one, or maybe they're the same being, in any case the god came before the rats, it wasn't made by the rats
>>92729845>but FW don't matchIn size, dipshit.
>>92732666That's pretty niceJust cut foam?This is some of mine
>>92732666>tfw I'll never have this it hurts a little
>>92735283Get pregnant and you might have a chance.
>>92735215not him, but you can see print lines
>>92735787Ah sad. I didn't as I'm phone posting and it defaulted to the potato res image, thankyou.
>>92728819oakbound studio has some good ones toobut if the fimir ones are too big you should simply treat them as a particular warrior class subgroup rather than trying to have them all at the same height it looks good when monstrous races come in various sizes
>>92735805>>927357873D printing terrain is a godsend, 3D printing miniatures is cringe.
>>92734520Never posts videos or images of rats in this thread again.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/08/battle-for-the-world-of-legend-with-this-new-range-of-larp-safe-empire-weapons/More Old World merchCome get an authentic* Empire sword to go on your wall next to your LOTR weapons and your Frostmourne
>>92736442>authenic warhammer fantasy bollock daggersGigabased.
>>92736442Am I retarded or does it not say what they're made of?
>>92736331What's wrong with printing? Especially old OOP/ebay-price minis.
>>92734520Your average clanrat:-Lives in a constant state of starvation.-Is poorly led.-Doesn't trust anyone around it, for good reason.-Is poorly equipped.-Lives in a constant state of nerve wreaking anxiety, for good reason.-Has to contend with a very high metabolism which demands a stupidly high caloric intake.-It is constantly exposed to Dharr, (their currency is made of warpstone, their jewelry incorporates warpstone, their high end weapons incorporate warpstone, their high end armour incorporates warpstone, the ammunition their high end range weapons use warpstone, all their artillery pieces use warpstone, their generators use warpstone, their wine has warpstone, their healing psalms have warpstone, they use warpstone as seasoning, etc).-Lives in cramped, unsanitary conditions, on closed off spaces with poor ventilation.-Is feed on a diet of refuse and recycled corpses.Your averange stormvermin:-Has to contend with all of the above but with the benefit of a marginally better quality, vaguely standardized equipment which is garbage by any other civilization's metrics save perhaps beastmen. Perhaps.The fact they can be manhandled by a goblin is not surprising in the sightless, even a random child could probably punch one in the snout without concern.
my prints arrived today so I did the test scheme in a few minutes, I think I'll stick with a traditional scheme but I still kind of dig it
>>92732460if Stirland is so great why do they drink boiled beer?
>>92736442>cadslop safety slapperssovlless
Bret players. Explain yourselves.
>>92736745Bretonnia is based on Fr*nce, what more needs to be said?
>>92734520Rats would be very different if they all barely lived off of scraps and were crackheads going through withdrawls basically 24/7.
>>92736745no models or art made after 2015 is canonno lore made after 2005 is canon
>>92736745>you will never be a handsome young knight>you will never ride around with a crown of flowers in your hair
>>92736331>3D printing miniatures is cringe.Im not buying your overpriced sloppa james.
>>92734520Skaven with training and non-shit food achieve elf-tier agility
How many points do you get for an enemy unit if it's both fleeing and has been reduced to less than 25% of its starting strenght?
>>9273688675%
>>92736442I eagerly anticipate the pricing that has them cost only as much as a big centerpiece model.
>>92736578that's fine, I'm not even gonna give the other nigga a (you) because 3D print fags are vegans of this hobby. they are closeted 3D printer hobbyists but without an engineering degree they are stuck printing reddit tier nicknacks so they superficially enter the miniature space and whine about prices. Have you tried not being poor? you already have a nice 3D printer so clearly it's semantics/mental masturbation and some form of contrarianism.
>>92736449bollock knifes have stats in WFRP so it makes sense at least
>>92736462it's says it for LARP in the title so i would guess thatit's not like Cosplayers or anyone else is going to be using these weaponswonder why GW is so gun ho about TOW LARP but not 40k or AoS larp
>>92732585How the fuck wouldn't sirens be Slaaneshi?
>>92736745even aquilles was gay/bi, whats you point
>>92732666>orc outpostConsider me at half chub already.>>92735215Neat!Diggin' that knight aswell.
>>92737098You are mentally ill
How the fuck do I paint the body of a warsphinx?
>>927370983dprinting is a tool, refusing to use it as some sort of elitism is like wanting to travel on horsebackpic related was 3dprinted
>>92737098They hated him becuse he told them the truth.
>>92737098Truthbomb right here
>>92735039then krakon games. thought you wanted help.
>>92737098Anglo claws scratched this out.3D printers are just another tool to add to the pile when it comes to doing hobbies like these. In all do likelihood, printers will becoming an increasingly important tool as they both more accessible and higher quality.
>>92737371My low effort way method for constructs was base coating dark grey, doing a light drybrush of bronze, and then picking out certain details like skulls to be fully base coated silver or bronze. Works for both sphinxes and tomb scorpions pretty well.
>>92736442I should've bought a Frostmourne when it was rereleased for Classic.
>>92737689I was thinking more of an onyx or obsidian colour. Maybe a jade or blueish colour. Already went hard on the golds and bronzes for the ornaments and what not, so I'm trying to avoid it for the body proper.
>>92737371Gold > blue contrast paint over itSaw a dude do it on twitter, looked great
>>92737371If it were me id go for an obsidian look with a couple washes of nuln oil over stegadon green
>>92737098I don't outright hate 3d prints. But I saw early today people complaining about Tau getting most their FW range killed. Most people talked about about how they were sad their 3d prints are paperweights now. Fucking stupid to complain about GW cancelling for lack of popularity when you chose to print instead of buying it to begin with. At least the schizos who think that if GW goes under the game systems will get better / more popular are more logically consistent.
>>92737735Totally slipped my mind. Did something something similar with the scales on the basket and on the TK. Made a wash out of a blue I was using and let it coat the scales after coating them with a gold and copper base.
>>92737840>Most people talked about about how they were sad their 3d prints are paperweights now.>breaking away from buying miniatures (the only thing that GW occasionally does well) but still feels compelled to play the latest dogshit rules update as if they were a compulsory patch to a live-service gamelmao fucking proontfags
>>92737646you dont even need quality, it can be used as a base for further sculpting and detailing on top for a lot of things
>>92736442>bollocks daggersBased as fuck
>>92737840>. Fucking stupid to complain about GW cancelling for lack of popularity when you chose to print insteadThey are getting rid of Resin from their mainline games because Resin fucks with some kind of britbong law, it has nothing to do with popularity.
>>92737964I'm speaking more generally.A lot of more casual hobbyists will be drawn to it more and more as the quality and detail increase. Low detail stuff is still extremely useful, it's just not as appealing to low/mid level hobbyists.
>>92738095even today the quality is good enough, the main stopper is the postprocessing required for resin and the toxicity
>>92738222My main issue is every printed resin I've seen ends up incredibly brittle compared to cast resin.
It's been 10 years since the End Times began.For the anons that have been here since then: what were your initial thoughts at the time; after the release of Sigmar's Blood (both the Campaign book and the Novella), and with the imminent arrival of Return of Nagash & Bone Cage?
>>92738443like most anons I can't remember, 8th was dead as fuck long before ET
>>92738294because you (they) are doing it wrong, theres non brittle resins, or you can mix you own with regular brittle one and some flexible one, its just a bit more expensive and not the basic regular oneit like printing with petg or pc instead of pla, pla is everywhere and cheap but with melt in a car in summer
>>92731780The voices in his schizo head
>>92738443>initial thoughts what's a mortarch and why are they so freaking ugly
>>92738443nobody cared about sigmar's blood, but the stuff in it about the way sylvania was cut off was recognised as retardednagash was exciting because it promised a shake up of the status quo and rules with an edition inevitably coming after the campaign (and everyone recognised that 8th killed warhammer and wanted some fresh air), it had some very cool moments like the one with nagash and settra and there were some hopes about the next installments delivering on hype and expectationsbut there were also shadows of things to come and scary rumours already circulating, by the time the second book was confirmed to be glottkin (which the doomsaying rumormonger mentioned first) people knew shit was going to hit the fanthe story in the book was also bullshit on all levels and killed any hype or hope for the narrative it was wet fart after disappointing whimper after spiteful blows from then on, you could feel in every book the struggle of the writers trying to build something only to be dragged down by GW's deadlines, necessities to kill everything, focus on the releases and pave for what would have come next instead of delivering on the apocalypse warhammer deserved
We're never getting them back, are we?
>>92738675No, they were too wild for the modern world.
>>92734520>can't stand up to even a basic goblinOn a one-on-one level the average Skaven clanrat has always been depicted as being able to dab on the average goblin and unlike a lot of things in the lore it carries across into gameplay as well as clanrats are faster, have higher weapon skill, and significantly higher initiative.
>>92738897Something like 90% of skaven are slaves and slaves are worth shit.
>>92738483I say this from things I've had friends prints, things I've printed, and prints that came with lots that I've bought. If there's non brittle resin, I've yet to see it.
>>92738897skaven are faster but goblins should be tougher, they just don't represent it in the game since toughness is a bigger deal.
>>92738968>>92738897>>92734520goblins > smelly, stinky disease ridden furry gay RATS.
How are there so many druchii when they live in a frozen hellscape, face constant incursions from the chaos wastes, and disastrously lose almost all of their large scale military engagements? Not to mention that since their whole population is conscripted, losing half of their military means basically losing half of their total population as well.
>>92738918A skaven slave is still better than the average goblin in combat, theyre both WS2 but the slave is higher I
>>92739018>that imagineholy shit is evil fucking elf drawn from now on going to resemble marcille?
>>92739018Fast breeding. The vortex is mostly what suppresses fertility for non-Asrai elves. Because the druchii live further from the vortex, they replenish their numbers much more quickly. Your typical druchii soldier is basically a teenager in elf years for this reason. Considering that they may have only a fraction of the life-experience that an Asur warrior has (your typical high elf will have lived more than 5 times longer than his dark elf counterpart), they do pretty well.
Just put my Orc Gobbo Battalion Box together. The amount of moldlines man!
>>92739018Morathi sponsored breeding programs.But seriously, >>92739095 this anon has it mostly right. It also helps that the dark elves are generally more indulgent than their cousins and don't have to waste time and effort on "menial" things like building or maintaining infrastructure.
>>92737395This. Hating on printing is like hating airbrushing. Or drilling and pinning metal models. You don't have to engage with that part of the hobby if you don't want. But it's retarded to think you're somehow better for not.
Is taking Big Uns on Frenzy+Warpaint Orc mobs a good idea or overinvestment?
>>92739079It looks more like Shadowheart to me.
>>92738897skaven were made because jes had a bet about being able to sculpt a rat goblinskaven are comparable to goblins, take your wank elsewhere
>>92737895I'll never understand the logic
>>92739018I have a love-hate relation with mossa's drawings, but this I like
>he is still giving GW money>he didnt gatekeep GWs own authors imagine still supporting Games Workshop and not getting all your warhams stuff for free or 3rd party
>>92739498ah yes the vocal minority will surely change things by boycotting
>>92739544see helldivers 2
>>92739544>made shit gay>squat models and ranges>raised prices again>what they didnt squat is never in stock anyway imagine supporting a company that hates you
>>92739018>frozen hellscapethey're elves, so they've got bullshit edge powers for withstanding the cold food is a good question, but I doubt the region is as frozen all the time everywhere as it looks and I imagine they have an enormous fishing economy >incursions from chaosnot as many as you think, the forces of chaos know the region offers them little to plunder, plus the dark elves are more organised in identifying and repelling any larger assault>losing half of their military doesn't happen that often, I'd guess they commit that kind of resources only when they launch their full scale assaults on ulthuan
>>92739553Helldivers 2 had issues that would have locked out thousands of players from accessing the games, as opposed to just making perpetually online culture warriors buttblasted. The thing about you people is that you can't do shit.
>>92739624>fishing economyno way they wouldn't have crops, I say they would have plantations all along the southern side of the sea of malice, where I'm expecting a significant exchange of waters between the surface sea and the undersea, possibly leading to warm non-salty currents coming up and cold salty currents flowing downpotatoes would also make sense maybe some type of rice of algae I bet they enjoy sushi
>>92738675They're in TOW as a generic upgrade, ya goofball. You'd have an easier time making the argument that The Empire is one unified state without any provincial characteristics since the state troops in the army rules are generic.
>>92739672coping and seething
>>92738675They were always shit
>>92738675TOW is garbage anyway. just play 8th
>>92739843maybe if GW ever changed their attitudes lmao delusional
>>92739672>The thing about you people is that you can't do shit
>>92739960he's talking about models, not rules, savage orcs still have rules
>>92739971>inb4 the freak tries to argue that losing 120billion dollars isnt "going broke"
>>92738959https://youtu.be/fsyn6ODGtVY?feature=shared&t=244https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3xMdRooc2M
>>92739971That certainly was a stupid thing for all those chuds to chimp out about.It's not like all those companies haven't been inclusive for the past 20 years.And who the fuck drinks Bud Light anyway? Fucking piss water.
>>92739672No matter what you say, I myself and many others will play warhammer but never give GW money for any product, book, paint or models, and we will bully people who do.Cope and sneed. Keep paying pay piggie.
>>92740168Oink oink
>>92739498I don't want to support chinks more than I don't want to support GW. Are there any 3D printers not made in chinkland?
>>92736663Are these the fabelzel models?
>>92739553What happened to it?
>>92739498LmaoWhy are they so obsessive about pushing this anyway?
>>92740385Sony tried to force players to link their Steam accounts to Sony's terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad PlayStation Network in order to play multiplayer. This is very different than a company paying some random tranny on social media to drink their shit beer or include some statement of a female in a once-all male organization like Custodes. None of those directly affects you.The Hellfivers one meant you couldn't use the game if you didn't link to their bullshit.
>>92740421It also made it unavailable period to countries where psn is not available, wich are, a lot.They also advertised the game with that requirement from the start but was disabled because 'server problems', yet they still sold the game in the countries it couldn't work were there no issues. Steam is honoring refunds on those countries at least, with any amount of hours played. Fuck sony.
>>92740462Sony has backed off from requiring it. They're not forcing it after the backlash.
>>92740421>This is very different than a company paying some random tranny on social media to drink their shit beer or include some statement of a female in a once-all male organization like Custodes. None of those directly affects you.it does however effect the company to the tone of around -120 billion USD. LMAO
>>92740471They are for other games, helldivers was the exception.
>>92740502so exactly like GW's consumer base
>off topic chudposting dead game
>>92740648>dead gameWe should be at lucky.
>>92739018>when they live in a frozen hellscapeThey have industrial scale farming in warmer climates, and outside of the shades do not actually live in the cold wilderness. >face constant incursions from the chaos wastesThe most meaningful chaos incursion into naggaroth was defeated at the first line of resistance, with the garrison then being punished because they didnt do it fast enough. The dark elves have their northern border on pretty strict lock, so while they face chaos invasions those invasions are simply defeated and driven off, and the norse avoid their waters for the most part because the dark elves have the first or close second navy in the setting (alongside the high elves, whos waters the norse also generally avoid for similar reasons). >and disastrously lose almost all of their large scale military engagements?The last time they fought the high elves they overran and occupied essentially all of ulthuan with the exceptions of caledor, the tower of hoeth and lothern itself, they were also winning at finuval plain, their retreat being down to morale rather than the situation "on the ground". Their naval raids are also overwhelmingly successful, and are also essentially the only other military ventures they undertake as an isolated naval power. >Not to mention that since their whole population is conscriptedIt isnt, youre thinking of the high elves (who have the levy system where every citizen is expected to pull double duty and fight when needed). The dark elves have conscription (for a part of their army), but its not every dark elf.
>>92740471They didn't back up, they sort of postponed it, expect it back when this whole shitstorm gets forgotten and player numbers start to dwindle
>>92740894>It isnt, youre thinking of the high elves (who have the levy system where every citizen is expected to pull double duty and fight when needed). The dark elves have conscription (for a part of their army), but its not every dark elf.It is every dark elf. It's why they need so much slave labor. It's very similar to the ancient Sparta and the Helots.
>>92741119>It is every dark elf.It isnt. >It's why they need so much slave laborThey need slave labor because their culture doesent put value on menial labor/because they have industrial mining/agriculture projects and because in the early days a LOT of construction work needed to be done. Also service industry stuff.
So what's nurgle like in fantasy battle? I'm gonna assume demons are dead for tow for a hot minute.
>>92741154In TOW? awful. The mark of nurgle is a downgrade on most units, sacrificing a subpar (worse than veteran) but useful utility buff for literally negligible combat results, also the worst forsaken (one of the three good WOC units).MoN is however very good on a lord with the bedazzling helm.
have the zoomie nogames finally admitted that TOW is garbage? time to RETVRN to real WHFB
>>92741119>It's very similar to the ancient Sparta and the Helots.Dark elves are based heavily off of Sparta and Spartans were up there as one of the more evil ancient civilizations, even by the standards of the time. Certainly the worst of the Greco-Roman civilizations.
>>92741247>n-nooo you cant just kill slaves t-thats le heckin e-evil!sparta ruled
>>92741247Only the morally weak think that. Sparta was one of the greatest societies in history, ruled by a social darwinistic philosophy.>The strong do what the can and the weak suffer what the must.Modern day humans are too weak to appreciate the brilliance of such a philosophy.
>>92741320t. helot who wouldve been killed for sport
>>92741247I wish dark elves were less edgelord-themed and more bronzeage-themed
>>92738897A clanrat is S3/T3/1W, stormvermin are also S3/T3/1W, which is the same as a goblin. The best skavendom has to offer is about even with a basic goblin. Put a goblin fanatic and on an one on one, the clanrat and the stormvermin fare worse because fanatics have S5 and double the Ld.>GAY8+
>check thread >No models autist is having yet another mental breakdown
>>92741154The daemons are kinda meh. I think the nurgle mark is underrated in WoC. Warrior weapon skill is high enough for it to be a noticeable buff to durability. The other marks have more obvious applications, but nurgle isn't awful.
>>92741332Soft hands typed that
>>92741332
>>92741350>and more bronzeage-themedMaybe chorfs is what you're looking for.
>>92741367I think all the people who actually play the game (my first game coming up, hope to escape) have healthy social circles and don't have to get a surrogate experience on this site.
>>92741356a clanrat is initiative 4/WS3 and a goblin is initiative 3/WS2
>>92741404no, I'm definitely talking about dark elves that have more greek inspirations than the edgy-sharp-batwings-and-skulls kind of evil look they share with vampires
>>92741457maybe you should just get good taste
>>92741457you need to listen metal
>>92741411I play the game a decent bit, I mostly just come here because it gives me an outlet to be mean to people with no repercussions.
>>92741455In physical aptitude and constitution they are the same. And goblins are smaller.
>>92741462the reason why I'm suggesting that is specifically because my taste is already too good to stand dark elves as they are
>>92741486>good taste>wants dark elves to be short brown, gay and hairypick 1 lil bro
>>92741481>brown greasy manlets>>92741505>short brown, gay and hairyWho are you quoting?
>>92741512the guy who wanted dark elves to be more greek
>>92741457If you want greek themed elves you have whatever the fuck age of smegmar did to high elves.
>>92738443>>92738508I thought Nagash was super cool when he was released. I almost jumped back in the hobby right then and there, after having quit in 2007. Then it all went to shit. Still bought the Nagash model a few years ago on eBay (for the same price as on the GW but with the square base. Fuck AoS).
>>92741529light elves are asia themed>>92741528you must learn to read better then
>>92741457>more greek inspirations than the edgy-sharp-batwings-and-skulls kind of evil lookSo shittier looking elves? Why would you want shittier looking elves???
>>92734520Absolutely repulsive animals. I hate rats so much. People shouldn't be allowed to post such disgusting content.
>>92741564No, better looking elves, their aesthetic makes them look more like chaos elves or elven vampires than their own culture of elvesyou can't have nuance about the rights of governance when your side looks like the propagandistic stereotype your enemy would depict you aseither drop the overly literal edge or drop the facade of not being chaos elves
>>92741612>their aesthetic makes them look more like chaos elvesbecause thats what they are you retarded zoomie
What base size would a GUO go on? Want to magnetize the one I use for 40k to just base swap.
>>92741617I know for a fact that most writers and most fans run with their non-chaotic characterisation that they had since 6th edition, where chaos was either a secret cult within their society or just a tool they used if you run your dark elves as unapologetic chaos elves then you have my respect more than someone who keeps their edgy look AND the claim of being in the right and chaos-freethat's dumb, they should choose too
>>92741637the maximum base size is the aracnarok one: 100x150I don't think it could ever fit on a smaller one
>>92741676>where chaos was either a secret cult within their societykhaine is khorne>just a tool they usedIE they are chaos elves
>>92741691the old model was really small, kinda troll sized
>>92741691They do variable base size because there probably was a significantly smaller one at some point. Same with all the greater daemons.
>>92741720Yeah but the new one goes on 130mm round
>>92741702>khaine is khorneyou know full well it's not that easykhaine supports spellcasters unlike khorne, for starters
>>92741720that's why the minimum size is something like 50x50What's your guo? the new one? the forge world one? the old one or a custom piece?
>>92741735>you know full well it's not that easyit IS that easy. how much more obvious does it have to be? bitch got a khorne symbol on her fucking head lmao. you zoomers really are retarded.
>>92727293>pizzaiolo girlboss halberdiersSounds hot
the goblin FEARS the Elf.
>>92741295>Society that does not allow meritocratic intake of new citizens into its classes.>Spartiate class dwindles in size, relies even more heavily on allies and it's slave auxiliaries to form armies.>All their good press is from rich Athenians and similar seething about having to follow democracy in their own state. They just want to be boosters for Sparta because they want to be dicks to their own fellow citizens.>Doesn't even go out with a bang, just becomes another small state used by Persians, successor states and Romans.>Taken over by Romans who focus on enfranchising the many, merit based elevation for the exceptional and forge an empire of astounding size and legacy.>Leave almost no legacy of their own, just other people's fan fics that skip over how retarded their society is.I guess they were social Darwinists, they were roundly marginalised and beaten by the better society. Just like Nazis they were crushed by more capable societies.Now back to fantasy dudes, I'm interested to hear how people are handling fanatics? Just shooting their parent unit off the board/hoping for that big win charge to wipe them out?
>>92742067>they were roundly marginalised and beaten by the better societymmm just like the native americans.
>>92741836>fake grog takes surface-level element, mistakes the edition being talked about, is blind to anything else and projects his newfaggotry to try and fit intypical and sad, really
>>92742067Only played against them once and in short I didn't. I tried shooting down their unit, but they lived with two guys left and marched up right next to my knights and killed everything but the characters. I wish they could only have 1 per rank left.
>>92742067>>Leave almost no legacy of their own, just other people's fan fics that skip over how retarded their society is.It's honestly a testament to their martial skills that they manage to survive as long as they did with such a fucked up society. Which is honestly the same sort of vibe dark elves have.
>>92741968Only because they smell weird
Any lore on Chaos Tribes besides the Norscans, Kurgan, & Tongoloids? Official or fanon. Stumbled across the Veigs on the wiki, but there isn't much there.
>>92742762The Hung.
>>92742762Only if you're bold enough to search up hung tribesmen
>>92742810eh could have been worse
I was including them amongst Tongoloids. Hoping for some more apocryphal groups.
>>92739498>the imperium is the worst human civilization imaginable>trannies still existChecks out
>>92739498They took "Misters of Battle" too literally it seems.
>>92742644It wasn't martial skill that the writers liked. It was having 50%+ of the population enslaved and running an oligopoly. They just wanted to change their democracy to that so they could be a top 5% in charge.
I wouldn't normally post this here, but there's no /grog/ thread up... does anyone know where the rules are for poisoned wind globes in Warhammer Fantasy 3rd edition?
>>92743679Pg. 100 of the rulebook, right before the rules for skirmishers.
>>92743738Appreciate it!
Uh-oh!
>>92744168ehehehThey told us the average hike... Not the medianBased GW
>>92744168printer goes brrrrr
>>92741247>>92741269
>>92744168will recasters reflect the increase? do they usually?
>>92744168Just in time for the Dwarf release
>>92744168...so with this the Tomb king box will finally be over $300. Man get the fuck outta here James.
>>92741295That quote is something that is attributed to an Athenian general, before they conquered a minor city, killed all the men, and enslaved all the women and children.
>>92744834standard practices then
>>92744905It was used to explain why the athenians didn't abide by the professed norms of the time. If it had been the standard practice then they wouldn't have had to justify it.
>>92743453Based and 100 tyrants pilled.
>>92745005I'm now envisioning a bunch of ogres settling down to take over the rule of a tilean city state.
Marauder giant turns up early, WGA ogres turning up late. The tables have turned
Make new bread
>>92741356>comparisons using comically compressed S/T valuesElves are literally exactly as physically capable as goblins, you heard it here first!
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