As determined at the end of last thread, only 0/0 mechwarriors are considered skilled and any lower skill level is a trainee

There are a lot of planets in the Inner Sphere that don't have an lore written about them beyond name and location. Do any of y'all write these planets in to your stories or am I the only one?

I have a couple Gladius hover tanks from Iron Wind Minis.
What do I do with them?

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>>92723697
RETVRN

After the schism, what is the real difference between ComStar armies and Word of Blake armies? I know they get some different mechs, battle armor and vehicles, but do they otherwise have the same "vibe" in how you play them?

>>92723693
I did this with Arluna, which has basically zero lore aside from a couple mentions, and I turned it into a planet of spaniards who are, as a culture, realizing that their Don Quixote-esque idolization of chivalry and nobility just doesn't belong in the modern Inner Sphere.

I have to say I'm tempted to remove the Battletech elements of this and write it as original fiction instead.

>>92723692
That's kinda true though? Until you have achieved perfect mastery, everything in your life is training.

Speaking of, what do you guys think of using non-mech units in the game? Is it, dare I say, fun?

>>92723763
Super fun, especially BA.

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>>92723692

And honestly, if you don't have Phantom Mech, are you even trying as a mechwarrior?

>>92723763
Haven't tried it yet myself, but I like the idea of large scale combined-arms conflicts on tabletop. Not that lance on lance skirmishes aren't fun.

>>92723697
Run one of the best conventional vehicles in the game, available to basically any Periphery faction.

>>92723714
Where did the Marians get a Cataphract from?

>>92723697
Hover.

>>92723763
Last time I used a Helicopter I forgot about skidding rules and slammed it into a canyon wall at 150 kph, which ended up costing me the game. So, yes, loads of fun.

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>>92723763
>Speaking of, what do you guys think of using non-mech units in the game? Is it, dare I say, fun?
There is a special type of fun when you load up on thousands of BV of bomb ordinance in convetional fighters and you just blow apart the entire map.

>>92723777
>Where did the Marians get a Cataphract from?

Didn't they ally with the cappies during Xing Shing?

>>92723782
That's pure, unadulterated, medical-grade BattleTech right there.

>>92723786
MechBusters are also fun and are criminally cheap for what they are.

>>92723686
>Why do you take pride in being less than you could be? What's wrong with you that you're willing to settle for what is, generously, mediocrity?
Because fuck you, you don't get to tell me what to do with my own minis. They are mine, and if I don't want to paint bases then I don't have to. If don't want to paint them at all I don't have to. If I choose to paint them in dried jizz then I will and if you have a problem with that then fuck you. Nobody gets to tell me what to do.

>>92723692
>only 0/0 mechwarriors are considered skilled
Correct. If you aren't perfect, then you're shit.

>>92723777
Where do you think they got it? In the proud roman tradition they stole it

>>92723817
>Cataphract
>Roman
Easterner detected

>>92723807
You are correct that you can do what you wish with your minis. However, that does not protect you from people pointing out that your minis look like garbage. They're entitled to their opinion just like you are. People here are more reacting to your absurd defensiveness and hatred of commentary than your actual skill level. If you don't want people shitting on your shitty mechs, then don't post them.

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>>92723777
>Where did the Marians get a Cataphract from?

>Where did the pirates known for hitting Fedcom shipping lanes get a Fedcom machine?

Truly the greatest of mysteries...

>>92723840

Cataphract is a Crappy Cappy mech mate.

It is in fact one of their iconic mechs. That, the Vindicator, and the Raven.

>>92723833
>then don't post them.
Fuck you I can post whatever I want.

>>92723859
Cataphract production got stolen away almost as soon as the 4th Succession War started.
Are we sure it's a Cataphract? It'd be really funny if it was a Caesar. With that arm it might be a literal frankenmech.

>>92723794
>Didn't they ally with the cappies during Xing Shing?
Fuck no. The one periphery power who tolerated them, the taurians, even stopped selling AC/10s to the marians around this time. Everybody hates them.
Which is deserved, they're basically the tortuga dominions but with a slightly more convincing mask of a nation state

>>92723871
No you can't, you need my permission.

sent youtube anon a song I wrapped up a few nights ago, was unsure what to do with it. seven songs don't seem like a long album, so told him he could either upload it as part of the album, a single, or save it for the next album.

>>92723875
>With that arm it might be a literal frankenmech.


Soooo, a Cataphract.

Also, Caesar has a hand actuator on both arms. The one in the image is very clearly the marauder arm, which makes sense since the Cataphract is a frankenmech except designed that way on purpose because the Cappies are retarded up until they get their invincible plot armor.

>>92723840
>Where did the pirates known for hitting Fedcom shipping lanes
How are they hitting fedcom shipping lanes when they're on the far side of the FWL from the closest part of the Fedcom?

>>92723875
It's a cataphract, only has one hand. The caeser's got a little too much advanced tech for a periphery state to keep ti operational for long
>>92723859
Fuck you the cataphract is great

>>92723879


It's funny, because I saw the image and thought "marians" and then all the romeposting in the thread confirmed it, and then when I was thinking about the political situation, my brain substittued the MoC for some reason, to justify the cataphract.

>>92723899
>>92723904
Damn I'm retarded, I thought the Cataphract had two Marauder arms.

>>92723902
Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all

>>92723871
That's fine too, but if you post your trash-mechs publicly you are inviting public humiliation. You do you.

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>>92723921
The original definitely looked a lot closer to a gulag/marauder. But it's always had a hand (which IIRC is supposed to be either a pixy or shadow hawk arm)

New powermetal anon song dropped!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x5AY-e8ZY0

>>92723859
That's like saying the Cappies can't field Victors because it's a staple Davion mech.

>>92723904
It's weird because the cataphract is probably objectively ugly, but at the same time I really like it and how goofy it is. It not being terrible (apart from the emotional support lasers) is an added bonus. Just a shame that you basically have to be a filthy cappie to use it.

>>92723985
>>92723967
Yeah, I too love the OG Cataphract and honestly, I wish there were way more examples of total franken bullshit in-universe.

Also the OG Cataphract was a decent machine. LL + AC/10 + SRM4 is a tasty spread.

>>92723904
>Fuck you the cataphract is great

You misunderstood, it's the capellans who are crappy, not the Cataphract.

And while I wouldn't say "great", it's pretty alright. The problem I have with it is that too many of the guns are on one side so you've got the Griffin problem where if the wrong torso comes off, you just don't have a working mech anymore.

And then they go and XL it, I suppose to make it apply to both side torsos.

It isn't until the 4L that they have a version that I actually LIKE.

Where can I get RWR decals?

>>92723902
Deep raids, same as all the OG bandit kingdoms. It's literally the story of how they got a handful of Phoenix Mad II's to slap rockets on.

>>92724013
NVM I googled some and found 'em... I'm a retard

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What do you consider the more egregious form of faction fiat?

A faction that gets beat on a lot but manages to survive against the odds, such as the FedSuns or Clan Wolf?

Or a faction that just manages to dodge or negate any bad stuff at all for long periods of time, like Capellans since Sun-Tzu, or Clan Ghost Bear?

>>92724029
>>92724013
Wow Aries Games and Minis sells them too! My lucky day >:)

>>92723985
>Just a shame that you basically have to be a filthy cappie to use it.
Have you checked the MUL? Again, the Federated Commonwealth stole Earthwerks for years. FedSuns and Lyrans used it, and the FedSuns still use some of the more modern variants. And it seems to have spread around the Periphery, probably as salvage or selling older designs.

What are some of your favorite novels? I tried reading the Grey death legion stuff but it was a little too "young adult" for me. I want some grit

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>>92724061

NTA, but here's the answer, and it's pretty much exactly what you'd expect with the prototypes and original production version.

>>92724044
The latter. Clan Wolf kind of has a mix of both, but surviving despite the odds isn't bad in of itself. You know people would riot if any of the Great Houses disappeared, the fact that so many Clans were killed offscreen is more a testament to lack of planning/poor writing than any lack of love. If Battletech were "realistic" no faction would have survived for up to 700 years, with the same families in power, the same names, about the same cultures. Even like France or China has different dynasties or even governments. But a faction that takes even bad moments and turns them into victories just rings hollow. I love when even a favorite gets their shit kicked in because it makes for a good story.

>>92723692
So much for leaving shit in the past thread you hyperbolic strawmanning fuck cunt.
Everyone either uses free 3/4 or paya the bv to buy 3/4 because anyone who actually fucking PLAYS battletech knows 4/5's are hilariously incompetent noobs.
AND anyone who HAS read the rule book knows that 4/5 is GREEN. As in NEW fresh, unseasoned troops with no experience.
Take that giant fathead of yours out of your asshole where you are huffing your own farts and stop being such a raging egomaniacal fuckwit. You giant tard.
You're wrong. And anyone who plays BT knows it.

>>92724044
Getting beat but coming out on top. With avoiding bad things entirely, even if it's lazy narratively, it at least makes sense as to how you came out on top. Like the Ghost Bears not pissing people off to crazy degrees, or Sun Tzu carefully planning out reconquests to ensure nothing goes wrong may very well be Mary Sue writing, but having some one reap the rewards of good politicking and covering their bases after having that built up over a story line is better than "by nature of being super awesome coo badass and Wolf-themed, the Wolf's Dragoons managed to win despite incredible odds for the 916734th time"

Also, Bethany Cochraine is very cute, and I wish to take her as bondswoman.

>>92724091
Look at the Cataphracts themselves, not just one faction's era's listings. Feddies are using the 5L right now, they've been using the 5D alone since the Jihad. That 3D was kept up into the Late Republic. It is equally a Feddie machine, in some variant or another, since the Succession Wars.

are record sheets in mordel.net accurate?

>92724124
cranky because you're a 5/6 pilot aren't you?

>>92723859
Very briefly. Whereupon the feds took the planet with the factory and turned right around cranking out cataphracts to murder cappellans with.
A heavy mech that is decently fast ish, armoured ish, AND has a big fat autocannon? Of course the fedsuns are going to invade to claim their rightful suns metal.

>>92724126
I think there is a difference between getting beat but coming out on top, and getting beat but refusing to die out completely. It's why I love Clan Jade Falcon, they absolutely refuse to close up shop and eat humble pie.

would the targeting computer in 'mech tell you the exact variants of a 'mech (new 'mech detected: mad-3l) or just what 'mech it is (new mech detected: marauder) ?

>>92723833
You DO know that is a different anon from me (the paintfag hater), right? Tilt at those windmills harder you fucking elitist retard.

>92724124
>just look at all of my exhaustively researched sources!

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>>92724124

Page 34 of Campaign operations you illterate troglodyte. The anon at the start of the thread was clearly just having a bit of a jape and rather than take it with good grace and laugh about it like the rest of the thread, you had to go full autistic retard and worse, you went autistic retard and didn't get your shit straight.


4+5 = 9

9/2 = 4.5

4.5 rounds down to 4. Which is...... REGULAR

Green is 5/6.

3/4 is Veteran.


You can be an autistic retard and sperg out about things, but if you do, you better be chapter and verse, quoting the rules text verbatim.

>>92724159
I like to think that the closer you get, the more info you have. From a distance, it might just say "Light mech", get closer and it can ID "35 Ton Mech". Once you have a decent silhouette on it, it might say "Wolfhound", and it MIGHT make an attempt to call "WLF-2" if it gets enough detail.

Just watch out for when it can't tell if the target is a Marauder or Catapult...

>>92724044
I find the Ghost Bears largely inoffensive. They simply -exist- and by acting cautiously have managed to avoid holding the idiot ball for most of this game. In a similar but related vein are the Taurians, who manage to get value from an alliance with the Cappies while punching up at every would-be invader.....it's the Taurians that actually annoy me. I think it's because the Taurians have such aggressive rhetoric but haven't received a proper comeuppance.

On the flip side of your question: The Wolves and the Fedrats have both been slapped around plenty but the struggles of the FedSuns seem to be more their own fault. Like having to halt an offensive because they ran out of autocannon ammo. That's their fault for fetishizing autocannons. Cause and effect. Or underestimating the Taurians and getting slapped around. Their fault for being arrogant.
Wolf meanwhile. I have no idea how they pull of what they do.
>the entire Refusal War aftermath, including the harvest trials hurts me immensely

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>>92724163

NTA, anon, but I will say that I wish you didn't let other people dictate your actions like you are. You've got potential to be a better than average painter if your Mech-work is anything to go by. You just have to decide to put the time and effort in. If you don't, I'm not going to get mad at you. But I am disappointed in you, anon. You could be even better, and you're *choosing* to let other people keep you from developing for no other reason than spite. That's a disappointing attitude to have, and I genuinely feel sorry for you for choosing to stay so small.

You have my pity.

>>92724159
The latter. Some variants get the jump on people cause they don't ID it right away, and the entire reason the Mad Cat is called that is because the targeting computers kept swapping back and forth between Marauder and Catapult before updates were pushed out to include clan mechs.
Post Jihad targeting software is all kinds of fucked, I bet. Comstar used to put out guides on whatever new shit was being made and at the very least, your techs could look at marketing materials and press releases from across the Sphere.

>>92724173
Wrong. Gunnery and piloting are split for a reason. They have wildly different effects depending on the mech.

A 4/5 pilot has 5 pilot, ergo GREEN.

You cant fucking average it out with arithmetic because that is retarded and has no fucking bearing on the game at all you dumb fuck.
There is no 4.5 gunnery. Whole steps only.

>>92724126
>Bethany Cochraine is very cute
Art? How are the tits? Did CGL actually find an artist who can draw attractive people after 40 years?

>>92724220
>wanting attractive people in battletech
bad and wrong

>>92724214

The table is RIGHT THERE you actual illiterate retard.

It says the average of gunnery and piloting, rounded down. Hence a 4/5 pilot averages to 4.5 down to 4 and is thus Regular.

That's exactly what it says, and the fact that you can see this and are still getting it wrong is some insane combination of hilarious and sad.

>>92724173
Who the hell would let anyone bring a Heroic or Legendary pilot to a game?

>>92724234
0.5 always rounds up. That's how math works. Since CGL doesn't have the authority to rewrite the laws of mathematics, the table is incorrect, and therefore not a valid reference. In short, that's not canon, and 4/5 pilots are still green and you can't do anything about it.
>verification not required.

>>92724234
And it is fucking pointless. Its yet another poorly thought out peice of useless crap from an optional, non-core BT book. Gunnery and piloting are split because they drastocally effect a mech performance innvery different ways.

What you fucking posted has ZERO bearing on the arguement in any fucking way. The 4/5 still has 5 piloting. You dunce. Which means they are so fucking GREEN they have trouble STANDING UPRIGHT in their mech. Especially when it comes to incoming fire, bad terrain...
You know ALL THE THINGS A MECHWARRIOR is supposed to be GOOD at and what you use a mech even FOR.

Which is why anyone who PLAYS battletech uses 3/4's since that is the minimum level of ACTUAL fucking competency.

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Do you guys use Industrialmechs?

This is some next level bait.

Anyway my Regulars are 2/3

>>92724248
Who's gonna stop me? I'm going to field Morgan Kell for no additional BV cost in my Kell Hounds force, and you're going to deal with it. He's statted out, he's legal for play, and this isn't 40k so I don't have to have your """permission""" to use special characters.

>>92724257
The Copper because it's also the Peacekeeper because it's common. Crosscut as well because it's also common.

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>>92724091
>>92724061
>>92723985
>>92724140
Timeline is as follows:
>Caps design prototype on a damaged Marauder line, horrible frankenmech because their other heavy lines are Crusaders, Riflemen, and a damaged Thud line
>Upgrade to production specs over time
>Start building up a second line at another damaged facility
>Lose first line in 4SW, alongside their remaining Victor one
>Finish second line
>Divergent production commences in FedCom and CapCon; Feds are still just as desperate for heavies as the Caps but have different priorities
>mock up the Casar as a "fake" upgrade using 'Phract parts to cover for other development
>Hey this is good
>So is the 'Phract
>Keep both
>FedCom gets all the good upgrades until Xin Shenged
>ohwhatasurprise.jpg

>>92724261
Ok I spam artillery and minefields lol

>>92724259
No. 2/3, even by the useless table retard posted, is elite / veteran

>>92724274
Yeah but my Regulars are 2/3

>>92724261
Just means the other player brings yorinaga, with phantom mech too.

>>92724257
No but I'd like to someday. They'd be perfect for a pirate defense scenario, or a revolt.

>>92724261
The rules for cards say "If the players choose" so yeah you do need permission

I am liking the idea of alpha strike more and more. CBT seems so much of a hassle sometimes. I like having the option of a real beer and pretzels game. Of course, without the pretzels. NO CHEETO DUST ON THE MINIS YOU PHILISTINE!

>>92724288
The Cattlemaster looks funny. I would love to use it to run up to assault mechs and whack them in the face with a cattle prod.

>>92724304
and you have my permission

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>>92724257
Yes, they're a little wonky/bad but they can be interesting in a well-designed scenario.


Also, apropos of something.. there's a raging, ban-evading retard who keeps shitting up the thread in a very specific and obvious way. Perhaps there are other methods than feeding him.

>>92724251

It's for the purpose of the goddamn rule evaluation. It says so right in the image.


>>92724255
It's the average. If you have a 8/0 pilot, you can't call him legendary because he can't fucking shoot his guns. That's why its the average, and the motherfucking table says to use the average.

>>92724298
>I am liking the idea of alpha strike more and more.
>>>/awg/
This is a Battletech thread

>>92724251
The table the anon posted specifically says to "round half-down" and not "round normally". Perhaps you should read the rulebook more thoroughly next time

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>>92724315
That's never stopped me. Torpedo spreads upon your sky battleship.

>>92724304
The cattle prod doesn't look like it's in any of the Cattlemaster's canon variants, but it can hypothetically carry a handheld spot welder as a melee weapon.

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>>92724305
>Carl
>FWL

>Verification not required

>>92724255
The difference between rolling a 5 or higher (83.33%) and rolling a 4 or higher (91.66%) on 2d6 is literally an 8.33% difference. It is not that big of a deal man

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>>92724255
>Which means they are so fucking GREEN they have trouble STANDING UPRIGHT in their mech

You realize you use 2d6 rather than 1d6 for rolling tests in this game, right? Bell curve says that TN five is way more often than it isn't

>>92724309
Wrong. I call an 8/0 a faggoty cheese mellee cunt someone tried to slip into the beserker.
Two steps rule applies always. We're talking about ACTUAL games here..not retarded strawmanning.

And that 8/0 is clearly from the mech ballet. Or mech gridiron. But most definitely ISNT a mechwarrior.
As all retards do, you're arguing the edge against the middle.

3/4 is what everyone fucking uses for a goddam reason. Only the truly masochistic inflict 4/5 on themselves and pretend they're 'good'.

>>92724347
are you the angry indian guy that reported all of NEAs batreps?

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>Be me
>Love me Federated Commonwealth and Civil War mechs from both sides
>Realize that I still haven’t gotten around to fielding the IWM Daikyu mini I snagged on the cheap
>Hit up my Battletech buddy and suggest a matchup where I switch things up and play Draconis Combine for once
>He asks if he should play clanners or inner sphere
>I let him choose
This is my first mistake.
>He gets back to me with a star at a very BV
>I start scrambling to put a list together to match that.
>The Daikyu is my only distinctly Kurita mech so I spend two hours looking through each mech I do have for space weeb specials
>After much scrounging I manage to match him with the only slapdash pair of lances I can muster, picrel*
>We agree to use a different mapsheet we’ve never played on before, his Devil’s Bath from the Battle of Tukayyid map pack
This was my second mistake.
>We kick things off early expecting a long game
>I look at my friend’s list expecting an appropriately themed list
>Instead, he has a mashup of Clan Wolf, Jade Falcon, and Ghost Bear mechs
Alrighty then.
>Look at the battle mat
>The battlefield is absolute cancer
>Much of the terrain is level 6 or 7 making it too high for many of my mechs to jump over
Oh boy this is going to suck.

(CONT’D)

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>>92724374
Don’t feel like dragging things down with every move so I’ll just cover the…um…“highlights”
>Do my best and try to keep the Daikyu and Trebuchet on the high ground.
>Wraith can jump around no problem.
>Most everyone else has to chug through the shitty hell lanes
>My long-range weapons are effectively useless here as there’s few straight lines
>We have to waste time trying to determine who can see what per hex for every move.
>Still try to tough it out.
>First turn ends without much happening.
>Trebuchet should have gotten some decent damage on a longshot roll with its MRMs on his Nova, but the Narrow Profile quirk is bullshit and halves the damage groupings into nothing.
>Second turn comes around and I see him forming up on the side.
>Get brazen and jump my Trebuchet and Daikyu forward to try to fire into the clanners
>His Kit Fox fires first on the Trebuchet
>UAC 10 to the face.
>Followed up almost immediately with a SRM to the noggin to finish it off.
Well that fucking sucks, but maybe I’ll get lucky in return?
>Everything I throw at him either misses even with good odds or hits him in a leg or arm.
>Next turn I run in my totally unscathed Charger hoping to melee some clanner ass
>The first fucking shot on the Charger is a UAC 20 to the face
>mfw

are there a lot of kuritas around, like there are a bunch of steiners?

>>92724347
>Two steps rule applies always.

Fanon house rules are fanon house rules. We're not here talking about your homebrew, but the actual standards and official rules. Where a 4/5 pilot is regular, and 5/6 is green, and 3/4 is veteran. You can pla6 whatever the fucj you want in your FLGS pickup games, but the actual rules and actual game definitions that the rest of the world plays by are what's defined in the books and not your headcanon.

>>92724358
Lolno. That was some dumb europoor. So yea. Probably an indian. 'Migrant'.

>>92724391
Yes you are

>>92724394
Lolno. Project harder. I hate the designated street shitters.

>>92724382
Bold of you to assume the Lyran players are not in fact also closet Kuritans.

>>92724397
Youre trying too hard to hide it SIR

manic seems to have moved on

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>>92724374
>>92724377
>Manage to maneuver my Wraith and Daikyu into the rears of his Pouncer and Stormcrow respectively
>The Wraith misses fucking everything at point blank with pulse lasers
>The Grand Dragon and Jenner supporting the Wraith miss half their shots and get shit locations on the shots they make
>Meanwhile the Daikyu misses the ER PPC to the back and everything else spreads evenly throughout the limbs
>Pouncer fires on my Katana dinking him in the head twice
>My mechwarrior fails his consciousness check the second time around
>Next up his Night Gyr slams it in the head again blowing it clean off to add insult to injury.
At this point with my Trebuchet, Charger, and Katana are headless. My Grand Dragon and Panther are crippled. I concede the match.
Fuck the Clans.
Fuck the Dracs.
Fuck dice.

>>92724257
The Quasit is usable in combat. At least as effective as designated mook designs. Which in my opinion, is kinda good for an industrial mech.

>>92724395

I want to see an underwater mech with umus and like welders and drills and it's supposed to cap busted oil wells.

Utterly impractical and stupid, but totally awesome and totally Battletech.

>>92724407

Dracs are designated badguy mechs anon. They're designed to be just threatening enough that the MyGuys Merc company TM has a heroic victory against them with their rag tag group of hero mechs while those dastardly snakes have the nameless faceless clone legions.

>>92724382
>>92724400
i mean in the setting. was wondering if there are many enough to make mydude's last name kurita yet avoid being very important dude (like 3rd son of some fringe noble or something)

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>>92724411
You want some fuck

How is Battle Armor going up 3 levels in a building abstracted? Do Battle Armor just run through doors and walls to get to the stairs to go up? Or can they climb up the walls inside?

>>92724428
They're just taking the stairs or elevators.

>>92724424

Even if you are someone important, all that needs to happen is you caused enough loss of face to be banished to [insert campaign setting sector here] and your family has disavowed you

>>92723714
That's more of a case of going forward to Crab.

>>92724424
Oh yes, there are lots of cousins and branch families. That's how they've revived the Kurita line at least once, after the von Rohrs.
If you're unsure, just slap a hyphenated other last name to make it clear you're a cadet-branch or only part Kurita.

Man.. I'd kill for 40 piece sets of 6mm infantry from various factions. I'd even settle for inner sphere, periphery, and wob. And that's all.

>>92724453
>and here is the honorable Tai-i Kurita-MacDougie

>>92724463
I'd just order from GHQ minis, they have a pretty wide range of metal infantry from the modern era.

>>92724463
I find it really hard to find proxies that look like jump infantry, but don't just look like battle armored troops jumping. The distinction is important to me.

>>92724472
I mean officially licensed prints. I can etsy bulk infantry for a third of the cost of GHQ.

>no 6mm robed ak wielders.

>>92724469
MacDougie-Kurita but right idea. Since I know Lyrans better, the late Melissa Steiner (no not that one) was a Borges-Steiner, while Trillian is a Steiner-Davion, so Melissa was descended from an earlier split in the family.

>>92724493
My experience is printed infantry is so fragile it's not worth using. I usually hate metal, but it'd be my choice for infantry.

>>92724475
IWM sells support jump infantry

>>92724326
>The cattle prod doesn't look like it's in any of the Cattlemaster's canon variants, but it can hypothetically carry a handheld spot welder as a melee weapon.
It's the Retractable Blade. They're retconned into the Star League era as an IndustrialMech-only tool that nobody used until the Jihad on actual combat units. Yes, this is slightly retarded, but compared to some of the full retard retcons I'm absolutely okay with it.

>>92723720
ComStar regulars and WoB regulars generally aren’t that different on the battlefield (aside from all the nukes), but the Blakists also have the Shadow Divisions (all-C3i all borg maximum quality over quantity) and Protectorate Militia (motivated-but-less-trained local troops using whatever’s available - old SLDF gear, Blakist newbuilds, stuff bought off the market) as unit types, while C* units are basically all Tukayyid-style Level 2-tech combined arms veterans.

>>92724469
>and here is the honorable Tai-i Kurita-Kim

>Steiners are known for being depressive
>Liaos go insane very often
What do the other House families suffer from?

>>92724575
Being body doubles.

>>92724552
>quality over quantity
The rules beg to differ. A lot of the wob stuff that makes them unique is raped by ecm or just better in niche situations.

>>92724395
I got extremely bored once and binged Patlabor while I designed an entirely hypothetical branch continuity with ultra-prototype, pre-Myomer 'Mechs.

>>92724463
>>92724472
There are a handful of official miniatures for infantry, but yeah. I just use GHQ Gurkhas with their weapons cut down. For SF infantry the Ground Zero Games 6mm Dirtside minis are pretty darn good, especially their engineering vees. They also sell river monitors.


>92724347
>3/4 is what everyone fucking uses for a goddam reason.
No. It isn't. It never has been. In the same way you will never be a man.

>>92724575
Davions aren't the best at weighing risk reward. They tend to be thrillseekers and gamblers.

>>92724524
>CONSUUUUUUME!

>>92724620
That's just the official stuff that's available. There's probably some stl of some half decent jump infantry out there to print.

>>92724609
Patlabor is good shit honestly. Only found out about it due to blockbuster closing back in the day and buying the dvds at their blowout sale though. I really don't have my finger on the pulse of jap media that isn't the newest popular shit. Can anyone recommend some good old mecha stuff? More obscure the better really.

>horde of 6/2 light mechs punching, kicking and dfaing assault mechs to death
wanna try this someday

>>92724663
So you unironically want to try a Drac banzai charge?

>>92724659
Armored Trooper VOTOMS?

>>92724664
yeah, wonder why it didn't work in setting. because they weren't fighting on limited space battlemat?

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>>92724575
Davions suffer the weight of their peoples' expectations and sacrifice [u_u]
Calderons have a vicious but typical case of tinpot dictator rectocephalosis
Centrellas inexplicably change races, physical size, and major facial features every generation or two. They've gone from central/east African to Asian in the last hundred years alone.
The O'Reillys are just bogstandard Irish pirates in silly hats, let them cook a few centuries to get real proper inbred and see what happens.
And of course the Mariks just worship at the church of lulz

>>92724620
It's fucking Ironwind. Far as I understand it it's mostly a bunch of old metal sculptors left over after Ral Partha and FASA bit the dust. You're literally paying to keep old craftsmen employed in a business that's lost competitively with plastic and 3D printing, it's the least CONSUME option out there that you could still bring to a tournament and flip the purple bird to all the CGL lovers.

is battletech animation worth watching?

>>92724663
>>92724664
>>92724675
>yeah, wonder why it didn't work in setting. because they weren't fighting on limited space battlemat?
Well that and Mercer Ravannion was using Stingers and Wasp against Blackjacks.
AC/2 were able to shoot them up good before they could even get within Medium Laser range.

>>92724709

Yes. It's on YouTube so you don't even have to shell out any money. It's fucking hilarious even if unintentionally so.

>>92724659
Dunbine, Vifam, Escaflowne, MD Geist,

Ok, if I have a MechWarrior Aquatic Survival System, do I need to bother with BattleMech HarJel?

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>>92724659
gasaraki has some good parts

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>>92724659
>Fang of the Sun Dougram
The aesthetic of Dougram is literally what Battletech is built from -- far more so than Macross. It might as well take place in the pre-Star League era on the edge of Proto-Kurita space. Heavy focus on politics, logistics, even has its own wargames that are partially-supported in MegaMek (check the booru for "stanrey" and "kalnock" tags)

>Pop Chaser
Episode of long-running porno stalwart Cream Lemon. Source of the famous "It's a bitch on a bike!" screencap, has some decent mech action.

>VOTOMS and Robot Hunter Cassharn
More like Heavy Gear than BT, but still a very solid show about grunts in a more tanker-oriented universe.
Gasaraki has similar "grunts in the shit" vibes, but heavily-informed by Desert Storm combat footage and smoking MASSIVE amounts of Evangelion. To the point of incoherence.

>Heavy Metal L-Gaim
The 1980s distilled. Tomino is well off his meds, the mecha designs are unhinged and several familiar guys are on the design crew. Finally got a decent fansub in the last couple years

>Project A-Ko
Some of the most beautiful animation ever created. ENTIRELY in the service of a two-hour shitpost that was supposed to be lesbian porn until the animators got distracted by robot fights and incredibly stupid puns. It's literally the daughters of Wonder Woman/Super Man and Tony Stark battling it out with aliens and each other. Also originally part of Cream Lemon.

>Madox-01, Madlax, Roujin Z
If you liked Patlabor and Bubblegum Crisis, all three are in very similar genres, and by excellent directors.

>Giant Robo OVA, Gunbuster, The Big O
Extremely good mindfuckers with bitchin' music

>Knights of Ramune
Series 1 and 2 are bog-standard video-game isekai from the 1980s, but with fun mechs.
"Vs. Knights Ramune & 40 FRESH!" (yes, this is really the title) has an amazing theme song, huge quantities of nudity, and asks, "What if that dude from Tenchi Muyo used his magic whore hypnotizing powers to create a Galactic Empire?"

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>>92724739
The ASS only saves your pilot, not your actual robot's ass.

>>92724663
>>92724675
>>92724710
If you go back to my batrep from last thread, it'll get pretty obvious. A big part of the problem is that your Lights are only hitting for around 4-7 damage per kick and 2-4 per punch. A single Large Laser or PPC hit can core a lot of lights, and a punch or kick from a heavy can blow off a leg or take the head. You need the Initiative gods to smile on you. Your opponent has to expose himself without properly covering his lancemates. And those weapons you're dumping Gunnery skill usually run about 50-75% of your damage potential. By the time optimized, melee-oriented Lights are available, so are pulseboats: units like Assassins, Wraiths, or heaven forfend a LAC-armed unit with the right ammo are purpose-built to wreck melee lights' shit.

>>92724764
>ramune
i remember myself getting shocked when i saw the robot's muscle when its leg got cut off (...myomer, come to think of it?)
also, why didn't they just use queen cider again?

>>92724690
>it's the least CONSUME option out there that you could still bring to a tournament and flip the purple bird to all the CGL lovers.
Well, until the Wolfnet guys fully take over events and get everything which isn't produced by CGL themselves banned. Which is their stated goal btw.

>>92724790
but the lights won in the last thread, didn't they?

>>92724800
>another victory like this and I shall be undone!

>>92724798
I don't care, they can't do it. Anyway, 40k oldfags would be frothing at the mouth if they could get their ancient models without dealing with recasts or eBay scalpers so they could jerk off about when it still has SOVL, it supports skilled craftsmen who made the damn minis instead of a faceless corp that plucked a license, and if you get the old FASA rulebooks you can even pretend the modern game doesn't even exist. It's like the most free range market fresh quinoa shit this hobby could have, and at worst it's a bit expensive.

>>92724790
>The ASS only saves your pilot, not your actual robot's ass.
Well the reason I ask is that I built a decent Aqua Omnimech for Deep Sea Welding, but it's a bit short on Pod Space for swapping out the Spot Welders and Lift Host for alternate equipment.
HarJel apparently has to be a fixed Component, taking up a Crit Slot and a ton of Weight per section, and thus makes retrofitting an existing Omni-design for Aquatic work something of a hassle.

Shaving off HarJel would help make the purpose-built Aquamech a bit more flexible.

>>92724730
>Escaflowne

Best mecha anime of all time. Perfect combination of jank lowtech and high magitech without going ludicrously impossible bullshit. A noble knight errant, the exiled prince of a lost homeland, a catgirl who is actually a catgirl. It's the best mecha anime you could ask for.

Does anyone here have experience with bridge laying? What's the best vehicle for it?

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>>92724800
An entire demi-company of Bugs were wiped out in only a few turns using exactly that sort of tactics. The Banshee literally kicked one of my pristine Wasps *in half*. Hitting every available melee attack from the Bugs would have done about 20 more damage than was actually inflicted.
Then the Mongeese, led by a Chameleon -- both fast skirmish designs with Large Lasers -- used a mix of high ground speed and mid-ranged weapons to systematically dismantle an Assault lance over the course of 65 turns. Said Assault lance had no weapons that reached farther than nine hexes. Even then, the Chameleon's massive array of point-blank weaponry delivered the coup-de-grace to several 'Mechs, and I only managed to get telling melee hits with the 'geese when something fell down or turned its back on an uncovered sector while abandoned by its lancemates. One 'goose got popped by a Hail Mary AC shot, another had its left arm and torso ripped off by a few Medium Laser hits, and the third was down to a few points of armor on one leg.

Playing purely light melee cav is very, very stupid against a prepared opponent. It is, however, a useful tool to have in your box as part of a larger strategy. It's a great way to deal with thin-skinned enemy support mechs, some troopers, or upgunned light skirmishers. Not so much heavy fire or assault lances.

>>92724857
Bridgelaying basically doesn't come up in standard battletech, it'd be an "offscreen" thing. Bridgelayers exist in tabletop rules, but I've never heard of anyone using them.

>>92724848
Also DANCE OF CURSE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaY7dhEyn68

>>92724419
I should've known. I'm assuming it's even worse when it's against the clans?
>>92724374
>>92724377
>>92724407
Some extra notes:
This friend constantly bitches whenever I get one headshot in a match. I’ve popped off maybe three heads throughout all of our games together. Each time it’s been on a mech that’s fairly if not heavily damaged. Meanwhile he gets 7 in a single match, capping 3 mechs at full or near full health.

My dice were fucking me over today, but I did have one cool moment where I made PSR 9+ checks three times in a row with my Grand Dragon. After this I managed to kick over his Kit Fox at least and partially cripple it.

The Daikyu DAI-02 variant is pretty cool. I think I’m going to just claim it as a salvage mech whenever I want to field it though. Never playing Dracs again.

>>92724872
ALL the music for the whole show really.

Every single song in that discography is astounding for both the emotions it invokes for the scenes that it's used for, but also to match the character and dynamic of the characters and their journeys.

I don't call it the GOAT mecha anime for no reason.

>>92724869
I was wondering about them because they can get units that don't have jumpjets up a level and across a hex. I now realize that a mech or even a tank could just shoot at whatever's on another level.

>>92724883
Yup. Bridgelaying is an operational problem, not tactical.

>>92724848
but the nose... aaargh the nose!
too bad it aired around the same time as evangelion

>>92724860
so the opponent having pretty much only ac/20 for fun and giggles played a big part too then. hmm, ok

>>92724860
>>92724902


Anyone only bringing short range assault mechs deserves what he gets. There's a reason that Awesomes and other long range fire support mechs exist, so there's firepower to cover for those short range mechs as they try and close the distance.

>>92724857
Anon, there are literally two published units that mount a bridgelayer, both from the last 10 years. It's a scenario idea that they put into Total Warfare, but the Vehicle Annex sold incredibly poorly and they probably aren't ever going to publish another.
The Prometheus is available in most eras. It mounts two heavy bridges. Try it out. You could also theoretically take a tank chassis or a flatbed and mount one on your own. At the point you're legitimately using bridgelayers no-one is going to be upset about a custom.

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>>92724902
>>92724912
Yeah, someone in the last thread was asking if anyone would play against their 100% original definitely not retarded optimized AC/20 lance, so I did. It's one of the eternal flavors of cheese all newbies go through, the same way people have "if it's not PPCs, it's garbage", "If it's not gauss, it's garbage", "I will field ALL the lights, I am a genius", "Do you want to try the aerospace rules, no those aren't six mechbuster models, what are you saying, that's not a bookmark in the bombing rules page", and "Pulseboat/TARCOM spam is best strat" phases. Then they attain enlightenment and can rape all of the above to death with a rusty spoon and a lance of balanced troopers.
The LRM-spam phase is self-correcting because it takes two games before you realize it's garbage.

>>92723661
It has been 24 (twenty four) threads since MadCat Clan Fag has refused to answer my BatChall

Surpised this thread is this busy already, for one created at almost midnight. I should go to bed.

>>92724953
>Pulseboat/TARCOM spam is best strat"
Always has been, always will be. Cope.

>>92725015
It's really close range for IS and really BV intensive for clans.

>>92725035
>Playing with BV and not historically accurate force lists like some sort of WAAC tourneyfag

>>92725102
This. Battletech is unironically at its best when played like a historical. Leave the tourneyshittery to the 40kiddies.

>>92724953
>humble LL and AC/10 ftw

>>92725108
>>92725102
Okay totally-not-waac-faggots.

You bring your sooooooper historical clan invasion star and everyone else will bring their super historical regiments.

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>>92725261
I'm on the IS side of this Friday. No idea what clanners I'm facing but I am going to honor the Dragon.

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>>92725261
Luv 2 fight multiple brigades with a cluster.

noob questions
what is other factions' equivalent of 'honor the dragon?'
what is other factions' equivalent of 'fedrat?'

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>>92725495
No one else has an equivalent of honoring the dragon because honoring the dragon is the only worthy call for a warrior

>>92725492
This isn't canon. It's not possible to beat entire divisions with a maximum of 45 Mechs. Cannot be done.

>>92725495
Everyone calls the steiners 'elsies' "LC's" as a slur.

>>92725544
Through the power of being an author's pet operating "off screen" all things are possible. Note also that whoever put together the clan source books seems to have forgotten that a division is a group of brigades and hasn't been seen since the SLDF fell apart.

>>92725596
Yes. Clanner invasion is ultimate 'ha ha get fucked a bridge dropped on them all'

>>92725621
I think that's the Jihad, what with them wiping out, what, a third of all known merc units?

>>92725544
Can we figure out some way to make NEA fight this one out for us?

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>>92725544
well
depends what's in the division

>>92725871
Consider: NEA commanding one battalion against a division of mechs each controlled by a different /btg/ user.

>>92725495
Snakes = Dracs. Crappy = Capellan. Don't know about Marik.

>>92725492
Don't forget that at the time of writing, infantry and vehicles were considered worthless in fluff.

>>92723969
I'm surprised no one commented on this yet. Probably the best one of the album.

Newfag here, there any good battletech battlereports ya'll can recommend?

>>92726622
NEA's and MCA's are gold.

>>92726676
Would I just have to scrape the archives for those? Any video suggestions by chance?

>>92721948
Thanks! Yeah I'm only getting Half a Lance of J. Edgars to fill out the last two hex bases I have, but they should be fun to take with some other fast moving light mechs. I've pretty much got only two light mechs for my periphery guys, so this should help even them out...

>>92726166

All the Marik slurs are internal ones against the other provinces.

>>92726166
Don't know about Marik.
Plague Pigeons or just Pigeons

Steiner
Elsies

Taurians
Concies

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>>92723807
Based.
>>92723833
And nothing is going to stop us from mocking you over your obsession about other people's minis.
>>92723871
Based!
>>92723946
You are not in control here and never will be. Paint snob, you can just stay mad... cat.

It's always amusing to return to the /btg after a couple of days away and see that some of the trolls have mistaken other anons for me because there's a bunch of us that don't care about his obsession.

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You have no chance of survival against the Turtle Power mercenary company and they're super secret hidden weapon, thee ULTIMATE MADCAT!

>>92727081

I'm not sure what's more annoying, the paint snobs and their hysterical screeching when other anons don't meet their painting standards, or the idiots who pretend that the paint snobs don't exist.

And yes, I realize that there's probably a significant overlap there with the paint-snobs using the cover of being anonymous to try and gaslight us about their own existence.

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>>92727271

Funny thing is, you aren't even the first to adopt this strategy.

Greenpill me on the Green Ghosts. I'd like to paint some up, but I can't find an example of what this white snake entwining the commander's mech is supposed to look like.

is megamek kill? impossible to download now

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>>92724685
>Centrellas inexplicably change races, physical size, and major facial features every generation or two. They've gone from central/east African to Asian in the last hundred years alone.
I mean IRL, once you start inbreeding, the manifestation of racial markers rides on a coin toss in the grandchildren's generation already, and the Centrellas probably weren't hewn from the darkest, densest of ebony stock to begin with.

Sucks that they killed the lore and turned it into just coliseum battles.

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>>92727961
>Solaris rules are now the main system
Where's the problem?

>>92723967
Why is that mech so ugly?

Canopus.

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PSA: If you were in the Merc KS, bully CGL for either a discount or store credit.

>>92727886
Get it from their github? I downloaded the newest dev release 2 weeks ago.

Do vehicles need bases? They won't tip over like a mech.

>>92728255
You don't need shit as long as everybody can tell where the front of the model is and which hex face it is facing.

is assassin even good at what it's supposed to be, at light mech hunting? 1x ml, 1x srm2 and 1x lrm5 doesn't seem that impressive

>>92728309
Base Assassin is pretty shit. You either drop the SRM for more weapons/armor, or the LRM.

>>92728309
It moves fast enough to catch bugs with a little luck or clever manoeuvreing, and it can kick them in the shins hard enough for it to matter. That's all you need.

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/btg/, we need to update this company for the IlClan Era. What mechs do you recomend?

>>92728309
It's your recurring antagonist in your light lance campaign.

>>92728401
>sword of light
This is clearly a Genyosha regiment, or at most some Legion of Vega propaganda operation.

>>92728309

Tear out the 2 and 5 and combine them into an MML7 and it's an infinitely better mech at doing its job.

>>92728084
They still haven't even locked in my address, let alone charged me any shipping. I'm hoping that wave 2 people don't have to do all this shit all over again whenever they get around to us.

>>92726996
Marik are stupid honkeys. Sometimes the other houses joke about how stupid a Marik is.

>>92728452
Can see the girls beign of powerful enough families to be able to stay in the SoL, but be dumped in a particular company.

>>92724798
>and get everything which isn't produced by CGL themselves banned. Which is their stated goal btw.
They can't enforce that in LGSs even if said LGS use their rules like mine does.

>>92727570
>Greenpill me on the Green Ghosts
Disillusioned Wobbies and CLanners working together to fuck everyone's shit up

>>92728309
Giving it a skim, it's one of those designs that doesn't get a glowup until the tech catches up with the concept. The ASN-109 seems like it would live up to its name as an ambusher and scout-killer.

Before that, it looks mostly like okay BV/RAT filler.

>>92728309
Beware of mechs with cool, edgy names. There is at least one in every era that's superficially acceptable, but horrible to use in practice. The fluff for them is always something about "contracts given to such and such as a favor" or something about "bureaucratic design requirement and delays".

I believe that the devs design these mechs on purpose to prank idiot children.

>>92728900
>awesome

>>92728900
They can't be all winners chief. Especially not during the aptly named Suck Wars.

>>92728900
The grim reaper isn't *so* bad, at least compared to the assassin

>>92728930
That's not an edgy name. It's also a nearly mathematically perfect mech that is competitive in all eras in its introtech form.

>>92728953
>at least compared to the assassin
That's like outrunning a wheelchair user when going up a flight of stairs.

>>92724407
>Fuck the Clans.
>Fuck the Dracs.
Bror! Du förstår nu!

>>92729166
?

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>>92727343
It is a very unpredictable and dangerous strategy though and the nuclear madcat is just as likely to destroy your stuff as it is your enemy's. But I just can't help but let it do its thing.

>>92728900
What other mechs have le edgy names?
There's the ass asian and somebody mentioned the reaper, but I'm not too familiar with later eras, what else is there in the wide world of bad mechs?

Does anyone have the Artillery flight-time chart? I can't seem to find it online.

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>>92729420
TacOps page 181

>>92728084
all they told me was I'm on the list to be looked at, never offered anything yet. Guess I'll give them another day and bug them again.

>>92729534
Just keep emailing them. Make the Rem Company´s intern earn his salary!

>>92729554
>Make the Rem Company´s intern earn his salary!
Bold of you to assume I earn a salary.

forgive me for asking a noob question using other games' term... but which rulebook is the most current edition? and what book are uh, codex equivalent for specific faction's fluff, available mechs and stuffs?

>>92729965
Its depends on what you plan to play. If you want to stick to mechs, look for the Battlemech Manual (7th version) in the trove. But about 90% of the basic rules are the same since the 80´s, so if not that important honestly.

NOw, there are no "codex" books per se, but if you want to build forces by faction and era, you can check avaibility at www.masterunitlist.info. But again, this is not WH40K, you dont have Tourney list" or whatever shit they use. You play with "your dudes" against other player. The game is more similar to the old historical games than your regular minis games.

Mentioned in today's Tuesday Newsday that there's a Kickstarter Update due later today covering state tax adjustments, shipping subsidies and getting ready to charge for shipping.

>>92729355
Rommel, Manteufel

Okay, okay. More seriously, I’d say Hellspawn, Lament, Mortis, Blood Reaper, Carrion Crow, Götterdämmerung, Hellbringer, and Malice. Not too bad, but a few sound like they’d fit better in 40k.

>>92729965
We don't have faction codexes per se, most list building is done by era and sometimes by which specific conflict is being played. The actual rules are also per individual game, not universal. Pickup games might not even include factions at all and you just pick units off the list of what's available in the stated time or rules level. Time period correlates to rules level, but they aren't strictly the same thing.

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>>92730050
Everything sold in this lance pack, very convenient for edgy boys.
Cadaver, Exhumer, Mortis, Gravedigger

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>>92729965
>but which rulebook is the most current edition?
It's Battletech : Total Warfare plus all the erratas available on the Official Forum.

>codex equivalent for specific faction's fluff, available mechs and stuffs?
Don't exist. There are so-called House Books that contain fluff, but usually no rules.

>available mechs
There are Random Assignment Tables that come sorted by faction and period:
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Random_Assignment_Tables , but they are guidelines that represent anything from "what is common" (usually) to "what was present during a specific conflict" (as with the Augurian RAT that contains King Crabs because there was a single one outside of the player's King Crab lance.), and all within the limits of a 2D6 bell curve.
So those are helpful guidelines rather than rules that need to be absolutely followed when building a force for the conflict or period.

>>92730086
I'm not sure if I applaud their absolute commitment to the bit or am horrified by the egregiously pathetic levels of edgy. Both, probably?

>>92730086
Oh wow, I didn’t know about half of those. Edgy AF.

>>92730050
Those names are too normal for Warhammer. They actually refer to real things.

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>>92729498
Thanks

>>92730186
Goes hard

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>>92730089

SPIDER MECH?

So i know "Someone finds old StarLeague stash, uses it to become prominent mercenaries for a while" Is the most bog standard background and causes a bunch of eye rolling amongst vets. However, what if they just find some schematics for a piece of tech that by current year has kind of been superseded, they strike up a deal with a firm to produce it, and make it their specialty/calling card?
I just really like the idea of Chameleon Light Polarization Shields...

>>92730257
Just do it. Have fun. Play the game. If you opponent doesn't care then what does it matter? Who cares if someone in the internet screams about comstar and lore, just have a good time. We all use unicorns anyway.

>>92727383

There was enough similarity in their designs that with a better lawyer HG would have succeeded in arguing infringement.

What fucked them over was a previous ruling that HG did not actually have the rights it had been claiming for decades.

CGL couldn't afford a lawyer when they were enjoined on the case and were accepting the outcome of the judge's decision against them.

>>92730350
Oh yeah i give zero shits about what my opponent thinks, this is more for myself.
I don't have any real reason for why i'm like this, but i dislike if mydudes breaks a settings lore or their shtick is basically a unicorn. Don't mind if mercs have one or two unicorn mechs, but i dislike if the overall merc company's thing is a unicorn, if that makes sense.

Thing is i'm not yet familiar with the setting to know where those kind of boundaries lie.

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>>92730257
You went straight from: "We found a shotgun a wizard left lying around." to "We captured the wizard and are now forcing him to produce shotguns for our company."

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>>92729965
>what book are uh, codex equivalent for specific faction's fluff, available mechs and stuffs?
Have you ever read "Jane's Fighting Ships"? The Technical Readout books, or TROs, are very similar. Basically an overview of several mechs that are available in an era, along with tidbits about their production, equipment, and a few notable operators. They don't give you all the information, but it's a good start.
For actual fluff purposes, you want the older ones with dates in the title. The game's owners, in their delightful wisdom, decided they were going to publish new versions that mash together 3-4 books at a time without any rewrites to save money. Despite said books being written from points of view nearly a century apart - it'd be like mashing together books written during WWI about ships at the time and then another book from the beginning of WWII, and a third from the 1990s. It's violently jarring.
The Record Sheet [RS] books (or a program called MekHQ on GitHub) have the in-game stat sheets, which you need to print out to play the game. There are some wonk bits about when each variant of some base mechs was published that I can write up later.

There is also a website called "The Master Unit List", which lists off every unit a faction theoretically has some access to at a given point in time. It is not 100% accurate, and it does not explain how common things actually are, but at least it's a starting point.

Finally, there are Xotl's RATs (Random Assignment Tables) in the first post. Those are pretty exhaustively-researched, by several different people, and show roughly how common a given mech is in each faction over time. They go about a third of the way through the setting's history before some issues with fluff bloat made them impossible to continue.

>>92730472
That's both a very funny mental image and a good point.

>>92730367

That and the fact that the HG lawyers were dumb as a sack of shit and tried to claim that the Atlas was an infringing design rather than bringing up the actual infringing ones like the Whammy, Archer, etc.

>>92730472

Isn't that basically exactly what Greyson Carlyle did with making Inner Sphere Standard battle armor? He used the info he had from Helm combined with captured Elemental suits and made his own version AFAIK.

>>92725549
I would call them harpies.
>usually lead by a woman
>original symbol was a lyre, sort of a harp
>implies they screech a lot but get nothing done

>>92730604
Greyson is super speshul. Unique in many ways really. Being fair a lot of the named mercenaries are some flavor of bullshit. The wolves are bullshit. Greyson is bullshit. The Kells and their phantom mech hoo ha is bullshit. A lot of the major named characters break all the normal rules in order to be exceptional. I see no good reason /your dudes/ can't do something exceptional either. I don't really subscribe to the idea that you havecto likit yourself to joe average. Inner sphere is a big place, you can so cool shit off in some corner of it and I don't think that steps on any toes.

damn, so i got only less than 3 months if i want an ex-ryuken deserter after misery to go merc and participate in the operation rat/gotterdammerung?

What are some ideas for starting up mercenaries beyond the star league cache one? Military deserters, planetary forces that refused to surrender with their world, an ancient military order are all ones I've seen.

>>92730257
“We can build lostech” is way more unicorn than just finding some and desperately trying to keep it functional without understanding how.

>>92730697
Pirates turned professional by way of good pay

>>92728452
IIRC the joke was the idea of a SoL company being like a harem anime

>>92730697
>your planet is so poor the only way to feed it is through merc works

>>92730697
For mine I went with "a noble mustered out and then started hiring people who had served with/under him" seemed reasonable to me based on my understanding of the lore.

>>92729088
I'd be down to play as a Rasalhague lance someday. Do they have any unique mechs or variants before they get taken over by the Ghost Bears?

>>92730697

Me and the boys made a mech or four in the shed out back, now it's time to take them out and make a name for ourselves.

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>>92730706
Can pirates do that? I figure they'd be shot on sight if they even wanted to give up anarchist freedom.

>>92730697
Finding mechs is fine, but Star League caches are overdone. You could stumble upon an abandoned throne room, or an irradiated battlefield where a neutron bomb killed a lance without much physical damage, or a buried repair depot.

>>92730697
An industrial mech company is trying to break into the big leages and become part of the military industrial complex proper, hires some dispossed mechwarriors to pilot their prototypes and go take contracts to try and build enough interest they can attract investors and expand their operations to build a proper production line and get some customers.

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>>92730697
Consider racing teams as inspo
>have a good career serving one of the houses, invested your pay plus family wealth (mostly family wealth) into the market
>use market returns to fund the careers of some new guys under your own banner

>>92730737

Optimized cheese / Clanner bullshit.

>>92730748
Change your livery, move to the other side of the sphere, get some new aliases. Boom, fresh legitimate start.

>>92730697
After watching some documentaries on banana republics and some on the shit Pablo Escobar got up to, i've always liked the ideas of mercs coming from wealthy organisations that for some reason had a need for military equipment. Let things spiral out of control. One way or another, you end up with equipment and semi-competent personel that need to make a living.

>>92730697

Solaris Mechwarrior has a series of losses and is dropped by his sponsors and needs to start doing merc work to make do.

>>92730782
your opinion is like flatulence, loud, odious, and disrespectful in polite company.

>>92730795
And yet you explicitly asked for it

>>92730697
Mine starts a corporate/noble family that owned a moon and had chafed under Capellan government experiencing a golden age under the Star League when said moon was turned into a Star League Navy base. When the Star League died, some of the militia left with Kerensky. With no SLDF to protect them,, they were subject to a surprise attack by the Capellans on the eve of the 1st Succession War. Most of the ruling family was wiped out, and the surviving defence force fled off world with their dependents to escape the Capellan onslaught.

Since then they served mostly with the Haseks or Anduriens, and have a hate of Capellans (and the Clans)

>>92730748
Unless they make themselves particularly identifiable, pirates who just fuck off to a different region of space and stop doing piracy can get away with it. The main difference between pirates and mercenaries is why they're raiding you, and a lot of legitimate mercenaries end up listed as pirates in one realm or another because they pissed off the wrong government official or did some particularly gnarly civilian damage.

>>92730737
Better or worse than other Madcats?

>>92730648
Yes, named characters are special anon. It's why they have names and we read about what they did. Boring nobodies don't get stories written about them. The merc that just pilots a mech and then dies doesn't get a book written about him. The merc that overcomes seemingly insurmountable odds, time and again, does.

>>92730748
There are a couple of merc units with that origin. The Blackhearts was one iirc.

Did you know that a 70 ton mech with an XLE, 5/8 movement profile, and max / near max armor can carry an extra ton of ordinance than an equivalent 75 ton mech?

so otomo is more of a palace guard, and izanagi is for coordinator only (and after introtech). is there other bodyguard unit for something like coordinator's family amd heir apparent?

>>92730883
I mean, it's not that surprising. Cicada is basically identical to a locust despite being double the tonnage because of engine weight too.

>>92730875
And my position is that by virtue of you having named them /your dudes/ aren't boring nobodies. We experience their stories. It's perfectly reasonable for them to be exceptional. I understand aversion to oc donut steels, but it's asanine to insist that peoples own characters can't be exceptional in their own right.

>>92730754
My personal dudes are “some guy found a SLDF JumpShip that got neutron bombed in the early Coup”.

>>92730883
*ordnance

An ordinance is when your city makes a new rule about riding bikes on the sidewalk.

Ordnance is what we drop from a B-52 onto the desert sands.

>>92730883
Yeah, it's why the Marauder is one of the most overrated mechs in the game. Excluding the 3025 variants of course.

>>92730790
Hegemony Union of Longshoremen Local 37 Self-Defense Force (in exile) - the spaceport workers’ union’s militia for Caddo City, New Dallas, they adapted remarkably well to the destruction of their home planet.

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>>92730883
Only because that is a ton not going into armor.

>>92731051

Last time I posted those charts, someone was saying that they didn't account for and include the cockpit, internal structure, and gyro. I didn't say anything at the time because the thread moved on quickly and I was responding to other comments, but I just chekced both megamek and SSW, and it looks like those numbers include the standard requirements for minimum viable mech.

So for your XL engine marauder going 5/8, you have 41 free tons that you can spend (construction rules round down by default) on weapons, armor, and other equipment. The cockpit and structure costs are already baked in. Endosteel or other weight saving strucutre/gyro/cockpit would naturally change those values, but when going for a standard mech, those are accurate.

>>92730697
My generic guys were started by a second noble son getting out of the military and then taking his mech and some seed money and fucking off to do his own thing.

>>92730944
>It's perfectly reasonable for them to be exceptional. I understand aversion to oc donut steels, but it's asanine to insist that peoples own characters can't be exceptional in their own right.
Mary sue post

>>92731120
Who cares nigga

what's wrong with people's own oc donuts, as long as they don't insist their 'alternate universe' on other people?

>>92731051
ask me if I care

>>92731120
You're so afraid of people criticizing you on the internet you refuse to live. I pity you.

>>92730944
Get "your dudes" published in a multi-novel series and then your point will have some merit. Until then, no.

do intel agencies like miio, lic, isf and stuffs also use battlemechs on their job?

>>92731247
They usually have some amount of mechs as part of a special force. SAFE has Dark Shadows as a separate entity from their footslogging special forces unit, the Eagle Corps.

What would you do if your Star Commander kept assigning you mechs with no hands actuators and all you wanted to do was hold hands?

>>92731182
The issue isn't usually the concept of OCs it's that people have variable ideas about what is in keeping with the setting. For obvious reasons official writers get way more leeway to have their characters be totally unique, and even then it's possible for them to come up with totally discordant stuff.

>>92731247
>can the CIA call in airstrikes?

>>92731237
Are you incapable of enjoying something without the approval of your corporate overlords?

>>92731237
Are you Stackpole?

If I am sucking my Star Commander's dick while he scores a mission kill on an enemy Battlemech, is any of the honour mine?

>>92723967
Are there any minis of the OG-phract?

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>>92727343
You're the only other person I've seen who has the right idea when it comes to terrain, nice one anon!

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>>92731199
I don't care if you care, I care.
>>92731182
That's not the issue anon. Go back and look at that anon's post calling "Greyson" "Super speshul". That's where the issue arrives.
Nobody is going to hate on you for having "Your dudes". Heck I've got numerous batches of "my dudes" across this game and I like them. What I don't go doing is complaining about Grayson, Kell, and Clan Wolf being "bullshit" and implying that "my dudes" are better than the official legends of lore.
It'd be like writing a Star Wars story and wanting your OC to be stronger, better, more successful, and more well liked than Luke Skywalker. Coincidentally, we actually got that. It was called Rey and everyone hated her.

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>>92731383
Hai made some time ago (and posted it here i think). There is alsod e Strato Minis version.

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>>92730257
CLPS goes great with Hardened Armor

>>92731237
Thats Brian "I like them" Young and his OC Rey-expy "Fox Patrol".

>>92731331
>Not believing that my OC donut steels are better than the legends of the lore that have been around for decades makes you a corporate shill.
1-800-COME-ON-NOW
>>92731358
>If I am sucking my Star Commander's dick...
Gay.

>>92731518
>Gay.
His OC could be a chick... maybe

>>92731532
That's even gayer.

>>92731536
Good point

What if my OC Bandit Caste Pirate King has a harem of rejected Elemental chicks, is that less gay than what that other asnon said?

JVN-10N or 10F for 3025m

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>>92731518
I'm not claiming that oc is better than official characters. I'm claiming that there is nothing wrong with having your own oc. There's nothing wrong with being creative and having fun. You are the one claiming that unless it's official material it's bad wrong fun to have your own characters you are enthusiastic about.

>>92731546
Write a detailed short story no less than 10,000 words long and I will get back to you with an answer on that.