Twum edition previous >>16165415
>>16168037>staging at page 10>shitty meme edition>shitty meme picOP is a fag
>>16168046*9
its over, back to hunter gathering
create an artificial tundra on mars so we can hunter gather there
>>16168046it follows the guidelines
>>16168055this, ppl only get upset about the twum meme because they don't look like scientists and they're envious of those who do
>>16168033Asiatics hunted them too but there were mammoths all over Europe (and the Eurasian steppe was mostly not Asiatic until recently but that's another matter)
>>16168052>me and my bro's in 2025
>>16168061I think he's implying that the european hunter gatherers that hunted mammoths were mostly wiped out later on and bear little relation to white europeans. (stoneage type builders were wiped out by mound culture celtic/germanics)
>>16168037What nebula is that? Or is it some other stellar object. Also what does Twum mean
>>16168052>>16168065the NOAA agrees with you.
>>16168077So how fucked are we on a scale of 1 to 10
>>16168077The sun, that dirty slut, squirting all over us.
>>16168072>>16168078boca chica village? more like boca chica corporate town. yall got any scrip?
>>16168079About three fiddy.[spoiler]If it's real, it's too late anyway. [/spoiler]
>>16168085How many times do I have to tell you that spoilers don't work here???
>>16168085>If it's realisreal
>>16168086Why?
>>16168088Ask the mods, I don't know. Maybe they don't think we deserve it.
It's real. I'm packing up and going underground
>>16168092>>16168079>>16168081>>16168077don't worry, if it hits at night, it'll be the plebs other side of the earth that get it. This is the sun's version of russian roulette
>>16168094hopefully it vaporizes china
>>16168055there's literally only one rule and it's "don't stage before page 10" all of this other horseshit you've made up is fake as fuck
>>16168094fuck S&W
>>16168097nahgo on, make a retarded thread again and see how it goes
>>16168112please be less of a niggerfaggot
>>16168112please be niggerfaggotier
There are going to be some seriously beautiful aurora in the next few days. In two days you might see them in Texas. I wonder how that looks from the iss.
>>16168125OH GOOOOOOOOD
are you guys ready for solar-quarantines? you have to stay indoors and disconnect all of your electrical devices, hey hey no cheating bin that phone!everyone is doing their part to reduce the strain on the grid. why aren't you wearing your eye-mask anon do you want permanent UV damage?
>>16168135kek
ive been crying. can someone convince me otherwise than 'its over'?
>>16168139https://spaceweather.com/>Don't worry, though. The four CMEs currently en route to Earth--even combined--are probably no match for the monster CME of 1859. The Carrington Event won't happen again this weekend. X2 flare rn, Carrington event was X45
>>16168142: )
5 year lockdown coming
>>16168142oh, it's just an X2? why the fuck are people worried
>>16168147Cause its a G4 X2
>>16168149
so what happens if an X45 G5 hits Mars, which has literally zero magnetic field?
>>16168154Mars is further away, inverse square cube law or whatever.
>>16168155doesn't matter, its barely further than Earth, and has zero magnetic field to speak of
>>16168147it's 5 x2's in a row, they will overload the magnetosphere as they arrive within 1 minute of each other.
>>16168161no they combine as a large X2 maybe X5 CME
"Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say."
"Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
>>16168159>barelyAnon, I...
>>16168159the lack of magnetic field is an advantage; CMEs fuck up tech because the solar protons slam into the magnetosphere and induce current flows on Earth. On Mars they go directly into the atmosphere and surface and there are no currents induced
>>16168037YAY WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.But only if you post "PRAISE THE SUN" in this thread.
>>16168112Hey anon, Im assuming youre OP. This is usuallt why I include screenshots of page 10 on the previous /sfg/ whenever I stage. I suggest you adopt this practice so useless drama that has no basis that you just had to reply to on this doesnt happen in the future. Its worked really well for me personally and though it is extra effort it is still pretty good insurance for avoiding these situations. Best regards my friend.
>The solar storms of August 1972 were a historically powerful series of solar storms with intense to extreme solar flare, solar particle event, and geomagnetic storm components in early August 1972, during solar cycle 20. The storm caused widespread electric‐ and communication‐grid disturbances through large portions of North America as well as satellite disruptions. On 4 August 1972 the storm caused the accidental detonation of numerous U.S. naval mines near Haiphong, North Vietnam.[1] The coronal mass ejection (CME)'s transit time from the Sun to the Earth is the fastest ever recorded.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_1972_solar_storms
>>16168079You might get an interesting light show.And your PC might bug.It's nothing dramatic, but it will be actually annoying to electrical components, wifi in particular. X flares and CMEs regularly cause bugs on machines on my network and power supplies because something's up with the power circuits in my house and potentially around my house (thinking solar panels and lack of care with making sure solar impacts to panels doesn't perturb/surge the grid).But that's about it.I have a substation near me and they regularly go "bang" during these events, but nothing more. I think the bigger cause its not even Xrays,etc. It's just solar power being on every home nowadays (it's like 30% of our state's power supply according to recent figures).
>>16168188Imagone if Apollo was still continuing lol. Wewould have got some astronauts coming back glowing in the dark.
>>16168189Idk anon, G5 is the highest the scale goes, and that's what the NOAA is predicting
>>16168187not OP, haven't made a thread in months
Do I look outside my window or not?
>>16168190If Apollo 16 had been delayed just a little ...
>>16168195Yeah, it might be pretty.
>>16168142>Carrington event was X45Nah it was way more, the Halloween 2003 storm was around X40ish and it wasn't even close. This CME could be the largest we've had since 2005 (we already had 3G at that stage btw for those paranoid) but that's about it. It's not terribly big because cycle 25 is much weaker than cycles 23 and before.BUT, Stereo is all fucked up so maybe results could be off?The fuck are our politicians doing btw. You just connected us all up to solar panels and then neglected our solar monitor satellites. Kinda dumb.
>>16168191Oops, I'm tarded. It's G4
https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1788704824835645746>ablspacesystems RS1 rocket appears to be back at the launch pad in Kodiak.
>>16168203>abort before launch reappearswhy are they so secretive?
>>16168201>Stereo is all fucked up so maybe results could be off?Wdym, Stereo is borked?
>>16168188I do worry about electrical grids in SEA, India and Africa, especially South Africa because it has nuclear plants that I've literally seen records of due to a previous job.It ain't flash at all.Also these will cause bushfires in Australia. Don't ask me how I know, "it's confidential" and definitely doesn't involve dodgy insulators on powerlines that the nuclear facility in South Africa did the testing for. Also, hi western power. You're a fucking disgrace and your incompetence has cost WA billions in court fees. You dumb motherfuckers. I've already seen these storms spark these things on https://www.emergency.wa.gov.au/# btw.And I know better than anybody here how bad things really are.
>>16168206Wasn't one of the sats cooked?
>>16168207But I will add, these storms do sweet fuck all but annoyances to grids normally (if they are construed correctly, which my state's isn't kek).Also not the government's fault either, it's purely the electrical provider's incompetence and the government seriously should investigate the problems with our grids. We shouldn't be having blackouts in the era of solar panels. There's ZERO excuse for that shit.
>>16168213>In the era of solar panelsIf you actually knew anything you'd know that solar contributes sweet-fuck-all to improve grid reliability and fundamentally makes things worse. Literally the only thing they're good at is making batteries necessary to stabilize the grid load, which they are pretty good at.
>>16168216>you'd know that solar contributes sweet-fuck-all to improve grid reliabilityWell I was assuming that we had begun to modify our grid to compensate for the solar power flux. Clearly that is not the case though. Which baffles me. Here you are with a political opportunity to finally properly stabilise and harden the grid to compensate for solar and nothing was done.
Why didnt spacex do this?
>>16168222Impractical in ways I do not understand.
>>16168222It's a nice drop in replacement for SLS/Orion, but that also means that the only group interested in that class of mission would never be interested in it.
>>16168221Oh and this is after some local electrical grid debacle with insulators on power lines.I will admit I didn't see anything to convince me had done anything to compensate for solar, but this was a few years ago now, just when solar power was really starting to swing around here. I did hear something about batteries, but I don't think batteries are enough.
>>16168222by the time fh was developed, they'd already moved on to Starship. resources necessary to move the dragon to falcon heavy isn't a wise decision as it has no real practical use that f9 crew doesnt
>spacex found a way to block russians from using starlinkthat was fast
>>16168222no reason to since starship was their plan. Falcon 9 is good enough for leo
>>16168237How?
>>16168170Comment from the NSSF forum:> I worry that Avcoat can’t reliably support the size of reentry shield that Orion requires. Avcoat was a solution for a monolithic Apollo-sized heat shield. When upsized for an Orion-sized heat shield, monolithic Avcoat cracked. > So Orion turned to a tiled heat shield, but one still made from Avcoat. But Avcoat was a monolithic solution for Apollo, not a tiled one. The deep cratering/pitting they’re seeing at the tile junctions and boundaries may be unavoidable with Avcoat, regardless of the reentry profile.If that turns out to be the case, then Orion is back to square one for its heat shield with all the attendant costs and delays (or the program is terminated).
>>16168237Ummm source?
>>16168252>>16168256its just a blurb behind a paywall, so i dont know the howhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-09/russia-starlink-access-blocked-by-pentagon-spacex-ukraine
>>16168258>Plumb declined to elaborate on what tactics, techniques or procedures are being used to stem Russia’s use of the highly portable communications terminals that connect to SpaceX’s fleet of low-orbiting satellites. Ukrainian government officials had no immediate comment.
>>16168260oooh
>>16168260>trust us, bro>no
>>16168255>tiles kill another vehiclewell, that would be a bad omen.
>>16168274Even bigger on may 11.
>>16168258https://archive.is/20240509173122/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-09/russia-starlink-access-blocked-by-pentagon-spacex-ukraine
>>16168274https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/aurora-dashboard-experimental
Youd think the /k/ommandos would take this chance to ontopic seethe at Russia
Couple questionsWill australia get to see an aurora?How fucked are we?>>16168291I hope aus sends more cardboard dronesLove those things. Imagine getting killed by some recycled cardboard kek
>In February of 2022, SpaceX, the space-exploration company co-founded by Elon Musk, launched forty-nine new satellites as part of its Starlink system, which aims to provide sky-based Internet access to paying customers anywhere on Earth. The company knew that a storm had started just before the launch date, but it was a mild one—a G2, the second-lowest category on NOAA’s geomagnetic storm scale—and internal modelling suggested that the satellites would be fine. One day after launch, thirty-eight of them lost orbit and suffered catastrophic failure.lol, this is probably why SpaceX are standing down Starlink for next few days
>>16168299no aurora for you
>>16168305>no aurora for youDoes this mean we are also going to not get hit as hard?
>>16168304space weather doesnt matter, until it doesit reminds of that story where the military commander got angry that the space weather report got dropped from the daily briefing because the youngfags thought it wasnt important
>>16168310Hope they brought it back cause its gonna be needed for the next few days
>>16168308the northern hemisphere is tilting towards the sun and the southern away, so yeah, the southern hemisphere wont get hit as hard
>in June 2013, a joint venture from researchers at Lloyd's of London and Atmospheric and Environmental Research (AER) in the US used data from the Carrington Event to estimate the cost of a similar event in the present to the US alone at US$600 billion to $2.6 trillion (equivalent to $774 billion to $3.35 trillion in 2023[29]),[3] which, at the time, equated to roughly 3.6 to 15.5 percent of annual GDP.we are soooo fucked
>>16168315yeah but again its an X1-X2 class flares not Carringtons X45
>>16168315>A study commissioned by the federal government and summarized in the report found that a storm the size of the 1921 event would cause large regions of the grid to fail, with impacts that “would be of unprecedented scale and involve populations in excess of 130 million”—close to half of all Americans. The report estimated the cost of a storm like that as “$1 trillion to $2 trillion during the first year alone . . . with recovery times of four to ten years.”
>>16168316>its an X1-X2 class flarehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzybAS7zltE
New Foxford space comic
>>16168334Please stop reposting this. I think this is the 4th or 5th time its been posted here. Nobody cares about your /pol/ tendencies, dont bring them here. I would say this is 'spamming/flooding' personally at this point.
if multicellular life exists outside of earth (it doesn't) it probably resembles some form of crab
is the jwst going to get fried?
>>16168356it would be extremely energetic
>>16168360>>16168360>>16168360>>16168360
>>16168360it's a big telescope
>>161683624U
>just realized the fucking solar storm is likely to take out ACS3 solar sail cubesat>before it even got to deployMOTHERFUCK
>>16168365anon its going to take out like 90% of all satsstarlink is COOKED
>>16168369>Less than one hour until Falcon 9’s launch of 20 @Starlink satellites from California They have learned NOTHING
Can't we just, I dunno, launch a couple hundred magnet satellites to tell solar storms to fuck off?
>>16168383yeahmagnetic solar shade swarm would be a good ideayou got a few trillion spare?
>>16168383man this is actually another good reason to develop the plasma magnet, solar storm protection/interception
>>16168383You can make a bigger magnetic field that what a gorillion tonnes of spinning molten iron makes?
3d printed magnets
>>16168387>>16168389I thought there was some surprisingly cheap & efficient way to shield Mars from having solar wind rip off its atmosphere. We couldn't do something similar for Earth?
>>16168400not enough buzzwords, where is the ai?
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1788764234685329458>SpaceX is pushing back the launch time of the Starlink 8-2 mission after it was scrubbed last night. The new T-0 liftoff time of the Falcon 9 rocket from Vandenberg Space Force Base is now 9:30 p.m. PDT (12:30 a.m. EDT, 0430 UTC).
>>16168354Nah, it's nothing but machines-elf hybrids.That's why they're so slutty.Earth is a farm for their sexual purposes.
>>16168414why even botherthey are going to lose all of them anyway
>>16168334epic i like it
>https://spacenews.com/starlink-soars-spacexs-satellite-internet-surprises-analysts-with-6-6-billion-revenue-projection/>Projected 2024 revenue of 6.6 billion
>>16168433damn, mars here we come
>>16168418Is that all the anal probing is about?
>>16168404Nano 3D printed carbon nanotube room temperature superconducting magnets designed with help of quantum AI technology, manufactured using renewable solar fusion energy and lasers
>>16168222Something like 7g peak load and an inadequate capsule heatshield.
>>16168433Major cashcow, whoever had the initial idea for Starlink is a financial genius.
>>16168433It's a lot of revenue for sure but those launches every 2-3 days+operations+satellites (ongoing forever)+ground stations+employees+loicencing+taxes++++ all add up real fast. I'm sure it's printing money but it's definitely going to be nowhere near that figure in what they take away.
>>16168528>Something like 7g peak loadYee-haw!>and an inadequate capsule heatshield.Didn't stop Lockheed Martin.
>>16168356It has a metal sunshield pointed toward the sun at all time so it will be perfectly protected.
This talk about a possible carrington event in the last thread is the perfect opportunity to say that even the thinnest metal enclosure will perfectly protect an electronic device such as a cell phone.
>>16168547>whoever had the initial idea for Starlink is a financial genius.someone who invented brilliant pebbles.
>>16168565With the quoted price of a V2 sat from that article and the last known internal cost of a F9 launch, they'd be sitting at $4 billion (rounding to the nearest billion) in launch and hardware costs if you assume 100 dedicated Starlink launches in a year—a number they're on track to fall just short of in 2024. With ground hardware, salaries, etc., I'm assuming the margins aren't fantastic right now but the future's looking damn good.From the article:>To put that in perspective, the combined revenue of the two largest geostationary satellite operators, SES and Intelsat, which recently announced a merger, is around $4.1 billionStarlink could dial back launches to constellation-maintenance-only, right now, and still be the top dog in satellite telecom. Their revenue wouldn't even stagnate—if speed tests are anything to go by, they're nowhere close to saturation and can easily support many more customers.
>>16168150This image reminded me of something. Yesterday I was in my university, and the room I was in had a multi-layer window that somehow produced more than one image of the Sun, each dimmer than the last. The second fake image was dim enough to be looked at, and I think I saw a dark spot on it. I know that it wasn't some gunk on the window because I moved along with the fake Sun image if I moved my head. There were no spherical lights in that room, if that's what you are thinking.
>>16168052Hunter-gatherer diet is better for us anyway. Maybe I can finally get my LDL level under control.
>>16168632that's actually amazing. discovering the sunspot yourself accidentally and then reading about it in sfg day later.
>>16168077Holy shit the schizos were right about the micronova
>>16168154If Mars had a proper atmosphere it would lose quite a lot of it.
>>16168169I will never forgive NASA if they kill Victor Glover.
What did the sun mean by this? 1942?
>>16168255LmaoWith rapid iterative testing they would have found this out a long time ago and could have pivoted, but with waterfall they are fucked
>>16168684That'll be two decades more of delay, sir.If anything, NASA should go back to the days of acceptable losses. They should naturally also get a rocket built that doesn't suck dicks.
>>16168255>back to square oneThat will be another 10 years+20 billion+tip. Seriously though, what a fucking joke. I hate all this oldspace faggotry so much it's unreal.
>>16168691Okay fine. I will never forgive NASA if they kill Victor Glover on a low-reward high-risk mission because of design flaws that only exist thanks to their broken processes.
The heatshield comes off in chunks, so what? NASA is just worrying over nothing.
>>16168705The heatshield wasn't designed for rectum linear halo orbits as they get too spicy for it.
>>16168705I agree, they should send their finest black and Jewish Astronauts on it's inaugural flight.
>>16168340"oy vey shut this down!"
>>16168037can this work?its supposed to show a spacecraft standning still, accelarating two weights in a circular motion and then appruptly stop them to get linear momentum to move the craftI'm pretty sure its against one or more laws of physics but I cant intuit which and why
>>16168716Because you lose your acceleration gain spinning the wheels back up. Obviously
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1788828194419736695> What Earthlooks like in radio frequency from the @Starlink direct to phone satellites
>>16168734What am I looking at? Radiosignal heat map no?
>>16168741I guess, radio signal amplitude at certain frequency or something, land would reflect more and water would absord so it is darker (lower amplitude), cities are superbright due to amplitude there being high (they not only reflect but would be sources)
>>16168687
>>16168751What would happen if we took a bit of that brown stuff and brought it back to Earth?
>>16168716>>16168726It might work with enough solar panels and electric motors.
>>16168726hm can you elaborate? what if, before spinning them back up I turn the spin axis of the weights to be in the direction of movement, and when they are spun up i turn them perpindecular to the movement direction again?
I think it's clear that if Starship works and reaches a massive cadence then it's only a matter of time until the government slaps HEAVY regulations on space travel 'to fight climate change' making that kind of cadence impossible
>>16168757can you elaborate as well, what do you might work? you seem more sure than me, who asked the question
>>16168716The impact when you stop then pushes back just as much on the axle of the wheel as it pushes forward on the bumper. Same as push pushing on the front of the cabin with your hands.
>>16168734thats australia, not the whole earth
>>16168753we would have some additional helium
>>16168791oh that makes sense, damn i hoped i invented A infinite accelaration device right there
>>16168783Not if musk finds a way to de hella carbon sequestration
>>16168753It would be extremely painful.
>>16168794If you package it right you can grift for years like the Woodward wiggle-drive
> he's a covid truther/vaxtardaaaand I'm out
>>16168826trans folx need to teach him a lesson he will never forget.But in all seriousness, I preferred it when he was above politics. If he's going to be making political takes, at least make them seldom so each one has more weight. Seems like unfortunately he didnt have the luxury of doing his redpill phase BEFORE becoming who he is today, if he did he would be more level headed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJA_zH5Nvg [Embed]started listening to this>dragon will go into high apogee (further than anybody has been since apollo missions) to test the effects of radiation on the avionics systems>spacewalk will be conducted in lower orbit>starlink laserlinks will be tested both above and below the orbit of starlinks as dragon will orbit both below and above them, the laserlinks are not the only or even the primary means of communication but just to conduct tests on the system >Tim Q: How are you going to monitor the radiation when going into 1400km into the van allen belts?>Anna: we are going to purposefully go there and do multiple experiments in that enviroment for example use the radiation there to do x-ray imagining (passively I guess)>the does of radiation we anticipate receiving in the 5 days is about 2-3 months of being on ISS
>>16168334It just dawned on me that normies only know Elon as le funny Twitter man, not as the man that literally singlehandedly paradigm shifted multiple industries, arguably civilization itself.
>>16168835You’re a 1 btw
>>16168831>jared: the vast majority of radiation exposure wont be at peak apogee of 1400km, but the first two orbits at 1200km go through the south atlantic anomaly, those two passes are pretty much the 2-3 months of ISS exposure>Sarah: they will get to 1400km first which includes going through the SAA twice, do their experiments and then lower their orbit into 700km which will be their cruise orbit for the rest of their mission>Sarah: to paint a picture about the spacewalk, we all start by getting suited up, pressurize all 4 crew members with 100% oxygen before depressurizing the spacecraft>the preparation for this happens an hour after reaching orbit>we are doing a really novel pre-breathe protocol, over the first 48h of our mission we are decreasing cabin pressure and increasing O2 concentration, that allows you to do a gradual removal of nitrogen from the tissues>when you are at that 700km orbit, we are already at 48h into the flight, the difference between the cabin pressure and the suit pressure at that point will be much smaller>for conventional Dragon missions we usually operate at standard atmospheric pressure, 14.1 PSI 21% oxygen>for our mission, by the end we will be around 8.5 PSI and 32% oxygen, not sure about those exact precise numbers>our suit when we start pressurizing we will go on 100% oxygen for a fixed duration before venting the spacecraft, we will not get 100% oxygen in the spacecraft
>>16168826You won't be missed.
>>16168835Seriously. When people hate on Musk it's almost 100% of the time because they don't like his Xeets, and they have no idea about his world changing actions. I've had people tell me again and again that SpaceX isn't special because 'someone else would have done it', and that he's just a figurehead. Of course, coming from zero actual knowledge of the topic, but they think that with strong conviction anyway.
>>16168853>we are all going on this spacewalk>dragon wasn't designed to do this on nominal conditions, so it has taken an immense amount of work from the spacex team>have to add an nitrogern re-pressurisation system, have to ensure every material in the vehicle is compatible with vacuum and won't offgass in ways we arent planning for>have to aid mobility aids so the pressurised suits can move safely and successfully>we have been working with the SpaceX team for two years iteratively testing the suit design, the mobility aids
>>16168826
>>16168862>Dodd: what technical challenges has the higher pressure of 5.1 PSI brought? What was the tradeoff there? What was the technology that allowed that higher pressure?>Jared: Gemini and Apollo were flying 100% oxygen cabin, they had already purged all of the nitrogen from their system before starting the EVA, in that case, sure, you would want lower pressure for better dexterity and mobility>fortunately for our case, 50-60 years have transpired, we can compensate by not having 100% O2 enviroment by gradually depressurising and doing a long pre-breathe>the development process for the suits has been exactly as you observe them do with the rockets, test something, learn from it, next week doing something entirely different>you could leave on a friday and say, that suit seems okay and on monday there are two entirely new arms, a frankenstein suit, but the suit is so much better>in fact a few months back in they stopped rolling in the new learnings into our training suits and just started rolling them into the flight suits>first time we put on the flight suits it was a big step>hopefully that gives some backround why we run the suits on higher pressure, its just really good for combatting DCS (decompression sickness) and they were able to do that but still break some new ground on mobility and dexterity
>>16168334lol
>>16168826bye faggot
can someone show me de wey XD
>High velocity mass streams driven by light-sail windmills orbiting the Sun would circulate between two electromagnetic travelling wave accelerator tracks. Venus can have a 24h day in 30 years using 720 petaNewtons of force.https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1788552265772458020
>>16168871>scott: I'll talk about the visor>the visor itself is a copper coating to provide (like sunglasses) from harmful radiation, there is an ITO to retain the heat inside the suit, there is an anti-fog coating as well and its impact resistant>its actually the only visor which is single layer compared to all the other spacesuits that have been developed>visibility is great, one of the questions we have seen on X is, does the visor impact visibility inside the capsule vs outside (particularly with the sun)>no it doesn't limit your visibility within the capsule>when we sit on the seats it gives us full visibility>really cool visor too>Anna: SpaceX obviously started with the IVA suit, what do we need to change to make a spacewalk possible and at this point there is no part of the suit that has not been modified>and I agree on the surface it looks really similar, under the hood its almost entirely different>really there hasn't been anything that hasn't been re-visited from an architecture perspective>when they started the process, they started look at manufacturing process>how do we make a suit that is more manufacturable and how can we scale this later>entry and exit is through a waist zipper that goes through the middle layers, most of the IVA suits have an in-seam zipper and that is your ingress and egress path, its now relocated into the middle of the suit>there is a whole different patterning from the inside out from the restraint layer, for the structural layer of the suit, an entirely different architecture>the joint development was a huge effort >there is only space for one suit on the flight, you have to design a suit that is safe when they have restraints over their shoulder (when sitting on a seat), can't have hardpoints which would interfere with straps
>>16168882>Anna cont: SpaceX has developed these very cool shoulder joints that become soft when the suit is unpressurized, but become rigid under pressure, you still have the rotation and a number of different joint in your wrists and your shoulders and your upper arms>integrated an entire thermal layer into the suit (due to the EVA)>we have this pyron felt on the soles of the boots which is actually what we use on the dragon spacecraft>there is all kinds of thermal protection that have been added to the suit, there are parts where there are over 15 layers, all this MLI that is stacked up, when you are in vacuum you have insulation layers that expand and give you thermal barrier>redundancy throughout the suit such as redundant oxygen feed, the architecture of Dragon seats have changed to supply that to crew members in pairs>we have redundant visor seals>there are redundant check valves in the suits
>>16168835Love it that normies now think elon musk is some kind of white supremacist nazi while at first the left was all over him.
>>16168891>Tim: The HUD is that read only? What kind of information is in there?>Jared: right now it gives insight into suit and some system health in a color coded way, so pressure, O2 timers, relative humidity, temperature>this was another example of leaving on friday and coming back on monday "we built a HUD">it looked super ugly the first time, they just wanted to see if it makes sense, like 3D printed, then you come back a week later and you are like "they made it look a lot nicer" and then two weeks late "allright its flight ready, amazing">its not hard to see where they want to go with this, this is an area where you could interface with augmented reality, vehicle checklist>its plumbed into the avionics of the vehicle, the applications for it in the future are awesome and I like how it was just two SpaceX engineers and a pizza during a weekend and what they can get done>our backround in aviation we have tried to put HUDs in and its like a three year project, SpaceX works on a little bit different timeline
>>16168734What are these lines I'm looking at?
>>16168899>Tim: What is the EVA timeline from hatch closing into hatch opening?>Anna: the EVA operation itself will take about two hours, that includes the depressurization, time outside and re-pressurization>there will be two people going outside, those will be Jared and Sarah and two people supporting them from inside, being their eyes and ears >going out one by one>we will be streaming the whole EVA>there will be 3 main livestreams: the launch, the re-entry sequence and then the EVA>Anna talking about St Jude, Jared says they have a starlink transmission they have put a lot of thought into, we think is a very important opportunity to send a message to the world>Tim: Do we have a date or rough timeline?>Jared: sometime the second half of Junetl:dr 5 more weeks until Polaris dawn, 3 livestreams (launch, EVA, re-entry)
>>16168903stupid pedo.
>>16168903satellite orbit paths I guess
>>16168905‘preciate the summaries.Yeah, this is interesting. SpaceX’s ability to whip stuff up quickly is fascinating (such as a few guys tinkering around and basically making the HUD system over a weekend).And it seems like SpaceX’s is very serious about expanding their space suit in the future to make it Lunar/Mars capable eventually.
Damn Polaris Dawn is gonna be risky as fuck. Such a complex mission with rookies and pushing the timeline hard.
>>16168911i have some major bets on IG index saying they will die.
I didn't know about the Starlink launch so it caught me by surprise when earlier tonight I stepped outside for a cig and looked up to see the train passing directly overhead.
>>16168898Oh hey it's the comic strip by that fag and his wife that wrote that hit-piece book against Mars.
>>16168903Fuck off we're full
>>16168920Lucky, I haven't caught a train like that in a few years now.
>>16168934I didn't ask.
>>16168826please seek medical help (medical assistance in dying)
>>16168934Likewise, I hadn't seen one since 2020. I lit my cig, thought I saw a contrail out of the corner of my eyes, looked up and there it was straight above me.
>>16168883basedthis is the true power of terraforming
>>16168940Then shut up
>>16168793surely you meant hydromeme
>>16168926por que no los dos
How will Spaceguy5 spin it when Orion gets cancelled due to the heat shield?
>>16168952earth already has enough meme atomsthe helium content is what's useful
>>16168949>>16168883> no interplanetary White flight to spur us on away from brownoidsI get the sentiment but careful what you wish for
>>16168958We need to pause all party balloon activities worldwide until we solve this problem.
>>16168983party balloons just need to transition to being filled with hydrogen
>>16168986these suffer from embrittlement
>>16168993Also fire
Zubrin's answer to everything is do the exact same thing but smaller. Are you scooterpilled /sfg/?
>>16168826This is not spaceflight. Why do you keep posting this off topic bullshit. And why does /sfg/ keep replying to this /pol/ shit
>>16169008This is not spaceflight as well. Stop with this
>>16168715This is the most obvious /pol/ newfag response ever. Way to out yourself idiot. Go back
>>16169015Wrong, this xeet's author is famed aerospace & nuclear engineer Robert Zubrin, designer of the original shuttle-derived HLV and inventor of 3-way chess. His sentiment is directly analagous to his mini Starship proposal. As you are a newfag I wouldnt expect you to know that, so instead consider lurking more
>>16169023Yes I know who he is you spam him every so often doesnt mean that posting his twitter opinions on politics or NON SPACEFLIGHT ACTIVITIES is on topic.
>>16169008every new gas car should come with an electric moon bike
>>16169026So you aren't scooterpilled?
>>16169027Now THIS is on topic
>>16169008>>16169023zubrin obv joking about biden/ev but its more funny cuz with tiny starship hes definitly not joking
>>16169027That'd be a nightmare scenario in lunar gravity; it's really hard to keep a stable platform on the moon because the low gravity makes everything slow to happen but inertia is an independent constant.
>>16169031that foto is doctored
>Kuria Ushi x EarthCARE special collaboration will be held! >The cloud aerosol emission mission "EarthCARE" satellite, developed in cooperation between Japan and Europe, will be launched in May. Therefore, in order to inform everyone about the launch of the "EarthCARE" satellite in a more understandable and fun way, we have decided to conduct a special collaboration with rocket idol Vtuber Kuria Usu. https://www.satnavi.jaxa.jp/ja/news/2024/05/10/9199/index.htmlhttps://www.satnavi.jaxa.jp/files/project/earthcare/earthcare_special/Clear win
>>16169037braking is another problem
>>16169039How do you know? To me it seems legitimate.>>16169041Can you confirm or deny the person in previous threads that said they 'sometimes wanted to be the little girl' is you or not. Please provide proof also that this is you via subscription to clear or (You) status etc.
>>16169041My beautiful wife gets more beautiful each day passes
>>16169041First japanese person to land on the moon will be Clear
>>16169027Me listening to Steely Dan, ready to do the crater jump
>>16169023>inventor of 3-way chessDid he ever invent three way with his wife?
>>16169041cute mission logo tbqh
>>16169048nta but everyone wants to be the little girl
>>16168291bro that was after my bedtime
>>16168753It would be extremely hot
What would the Earth's environment look like long-term if there was a permanent cloud deck creating global overcast weather conditions? Would plants and other life forms be able to survive?Pic related is the weather outside right now, the forest is very green and lush after the rain though it is a bit cold.
Yeah so if you cancel your rocket family (Saturn) and your next vehicle has an even HIGHER $/kg (Shuttle) you’ve fucked up
>>16169098Isn't this what happens after volcanic eruptions abd asteroid strikes?
>>16168709They should do a couple shallower passes to aerobrake in from those speeds, works in KSP just bring a few extra sandwiches.
>>16169102shuttle had a much lower $/astronaut launched than saturn. it was a much better deal than launching 2.333 capsules, a medium lift launcher, and an orbital construction yard on 5 separate rockets
>>16169110As if there's delta v left in that anemic piece of shit to do any form of braking. It's direct or better pack a fuckload more sandwiches.
>>16169098Earth's atmosphere was opaque before the great oxygenation event.
>>16168267Yes, it's news from a war zone by an involved party. Always take such reports with an asteroid of salt.Probably the only things they can really do is ban uplink units known to be in Russian hands or geofence units and hope your maps are up to date enough to not disable your own side's units.
>>16168334
>>16168982why didnt high altitude cities ever take off? it feels like a tech stack that we should be investing in.
https://x.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1788946748808859858Some Starbase news, Suborbital Pad B (which S30 just fired on) is being dismantled. Another mini update is that S29 got moved from HB to MB2 so seems like we're nearing full stack for the WDR
>>16168401Wild guess that such systems only protect against the typical solar wind and not cases of explosive solar diarrhea. Mars would be subject to such storms though the additional distance could help some.
>>16169149they're moving test firing to massey's. this was probably the last starship static fire that we'll see at boca chica.
>>16169149>>16169159what about suboribital hops?
>>16169148No good reason to do so on Earth.
>>16169161suborbital hops will now be jumping from masseys over to the launch site
>>16169163that was kind of what i was alluding to...if one day we want to build high altitude platforms on other planets like venus or the gas giants, then maybe we should've started already working on them here on earth
>>16169164oh yeah theoretically Masseys can still be used for suborbital, or SSTO even (V3 maybe)
>>16169148>why didnt high altitude cities ever take off?We don't have a way to persistently generate so much lift.
>>16169163Had no idea the US is THAT empty
>>16169176quantum levitation. we've had it since the 1890s
>>16169111>an orbital construction yardI'll give you the other two but this is a stretch
>>16168647kek, no
>>16169176just add more hot air
>>16168401that is targeted at stopping ye standard fluxthis is megaflux>>16169098Overcast cloud conditions simply scatter light, they don't actually obscure that much. This is why photovoltaics still work on cloudy days, and the greatest advantage PV has over the big mirror setups
And this firm is projecting net profits starting 2024. So, now.
>>16169219Theyll only make more money over time as thirdies begin to make more money. Since infrastructure costs so much, Starlink could swallow up half the world population if they advertise in every language. The good will missions they do with giving free terminals to schools is also another good way to advertise, the thirdie children go home and tell their parents about it.
>>16169177What, you never saw a picture of North America at night? The US never really expanded past the Mississippi for one giant reason: no water until you hit the PNW. In their hubris people settled in the Southwest and assumed their well water would last forever.
https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship_ksc
>>16169233>What, you never saw a picture of North America at night?I did obviously but never saw population stats like this to really show it
>>16168826Wait till this nigger learns about Von Braun and his political opinions.Chuds take us to Mars, Bitch.
>>16169176false>Geodesic spheres become stronger (and relative to the volume enclosed, lighter) as they become bigger, because of how they distribute stress over their surfaces. As a sphere gets bigger, the volume it encloses grows much faster than the mass of the enclosing structure itself. Fuller suggested that the mass of a mile-wide geodesic sphere would be negligible compared to the mass of the air trapped within it. He suggested that if the air inside such a sphere were heated even by one degree higher than the ambient temperature of its surroundings, the sphere could become airborne. He calculated that such a balloon could lift a considerable mass, and hence that 'mini-cities' or airborne towns of thousands of people could be built in this way.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(sphere)
>>16168826>scamdemicoh boy
>>16169244>City tumbles sideways
>>16169244wtf, never heard of this before that's really cool, can we lift spaceships this way too? Like a fully fueled Starship
>>16169120>Earth's atmosphere was opaque before the great oxygenation event.I thought it was only opaque when it was still made out of rock vapor during the Hadean eon?
>>16169235>EIS needed for Starship at Pad 39aWhy?
>>16169163Reminder that the Alps are the most populated and developed mountain range
>>16169233>In their hubris people settled in the Southwest and assumed their well water would last forever.desalination plants?
>>16169255Big changes
>>16169244>floating balloon 1 mile wideVS>a tiny gust of wind
>>16169247You dont get much advantage with launching from height except the lulzy name rockoon
>>16169259VS>3 steel cables
>>16169258Saturn V launched from there. So you're gonna have to do better than "big changes". Name them.
Reminder that we could have a balloon permanently floating above Venus' clouds and taking pretty picture but we don't
>>16169263read it you'reself
>>16169269No.
>>16169257That involves buying from California or Mexico.
>>16169279Well California would just get it's water from Desalination and the other states can simply drink the Colorado river. pic rel.
Starlink sats each used to cost ~$200K per piece. Which I had roughly guesstimated long ago. New ~100Gbps V2 Mini sats are estimated to be ~$800K a pop. They're freaking cheap
In September 2019, the NASA completed the Final Environmental Assessment for the SpaceX Starship and Super Heavy Launch Vehicle at KSC (“2019 EA”) to evaluate the potential environmental impacts resulting from construction and operations associated with utilization of LC-39A for the SpaceX Starship-Super Heavy launch vehicle in practical applications. LC-39A is a SpaceX-leased launch site located on northern KSC property and currently supports SpaceX’s Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches. Within the context of the 2019 EA, the scope of the Proposed Action was defined as infrastructure development and Starship-Super Heavy operations. Infrastructure development included construction of a launch mount, liquid methane farm, transport road, deluge water system, landing zone, and high-pressure gaseous commodity lines. Operations involved approximately 24 Starship-Super Heavy launches per year. NASA’s resultant Finding of No Significant Impact (FONSI) issued on September 19, 2019, concluded that the environmental impacts associated with Starship-Super Heavy infrastructure development and operations would not individually or cumulatively have a significant impact on the quality of the biological or physical environment. SpaceX did not submit a vehicle operator license application for the Starship-Super Heavy launch operations at LC-39A subsequent to the completion of the 2019 EA; therefore, the FAA did not have a federal action to adopt NASA’s EA/FONSI.
While the purpose and need for Starship-Super Heavy at LC-39A have not changed since the 2019 EA, the Starship-Super Heavy concept of operations has evolved from the original 2019 EA scope. SpaceX now proposes to construct additional launch infrastructure not previously contemplated in the 2019 EA; launch an advanced design of the Starship and Super Heavy vehicle; operate at a projected higher launch tempo; and land the Super Heavy booster at LC-39A in support of the reusability concept. Starship landings are no longer proposed to occur at Landing Zone 1 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.
>>16169297>>16169299We're never going to Mars if it takes 3 years to build a pad. EIS is 2 years
>>16169293>$0.08/Mbps for a LEO comm satThat's actually insane.
So what am I supposed to do if I'm in Canada? Disconnect everything from the grid and pray?
>>16169314Imagine the EIS on Mars
>>16169316You should be doing that anyways. The real bigbrain move is using the cover of a solar flare to set precisely timed fires.
>>16169315Amazing how cheap you can get shit when you're not relying on third part suppliers for everything from launches to satellite buses.
>>16168905Thanks for the summary2 hours is pretty short, but it's not as if they will have something to do
>>16169312it's time
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/3-day-geomagnetic-forecast
high hopes of finally seeing the coveted polar lights myself
>>16168182according to this it should be just impacting now
>A propulsion solutions provider, specializing in hypergolic propellantsngmihypergolic fuels are becoming ever more niche
PRAISED BE THE SUN
>all this fearmongeringLiterally nothing is gonna happen yo u
Wake the fuck up America. China is doing another VTVL test.
>>16169360it's overSpaceX is finished
>>16169360welcome to 1995 china
>>16168364>not 4AU
>>16169368NOOOOOOOO
>>16169375Yes, shut the fuck up and enjoy the borealis.
Will I be able to see Auroras from Germany or no?
>>16169378are you the schizo who kept freaking out about eclipse posting during the eclipse?
>>16169316>mfw my Tesla charges wirelessly tonight
>>16169389No, I'm the one who usually tells people to stop reading pop science junk articles that rot their brain and act like the fucking sky is falling.
wtf, my PC just crashed
>tells me to stop reading popsci>refuses to tell me if I'll be able to see the aurora from Germany
>>16169382>>16169406Theres a chance the further north you are. depends on how clear you skies are, both cloud and light polution. I live in a big city in northern England, lots of lights and the sun wont even set for another hour, but im going to go and find somewhere dark in a park or something and look.
>>16169408Cloud cover here. No biggie. I can just hop in a car and drive north a bit if I feel the need.
>>16169259bro has not heard of the drag coefficient
>>16169408People in North Scottland might be able to see something but this generally looks like a nothingburger to me.
almost no light pollution here, gets properly dark in like 3 hours
>>16169424Where is here? Greenland?
>>16169427>Where is here?Where I live
>>16169293https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/just-5-years-after-its-first-launch-the-starlink-constellation-is-profitable/the story, seems to be about the same as the spacenews one?
>>16169395What OS?
> le flare will take back to le dark ages
There are Krystal clear skies where I am
>>16169437Windows Vista (pirated)
>>16169244Interesting. How would you enter and exit? presumably any deviation from the ideal sphere weakens the structure somewhat.
>>16169452A sketchy copy of Vista crashing? I don't believe you, that sounds like FUD.
Have we seen any Raptor 3 stuff yet at Starbase? There only four more V1 Starship stacks left so we should expect V2 to fly this year, right?
>>16169446All that matters is that they're Clear
How are you going to apologize when he wins?
>>16169435SpaceX has 50% more revenue from Starlink than the two biggest GEO satellite operators combinedit is also already making money even after capital expenditures>Quilty estimates that Starlink will have an EBITDA of $3.8 billion this year. This value indicates how well a company is managing its day-to-day operations and stands for earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization. Additionally, Quilty estimates that capital expenditures for Starlink will be $3.1 billion this year. This leaves an estimated free cash flow from the business of about $600 million. In other words, Starlink is making money for SpaceX. It is self-sustaining.
>>16169477who wins?
>>16169492him
>>16169476Someone should draw the two of them fucking to settle this once and for all (Krystal on top, obviously)
>>16169495Wins what?
>>16169499the argument Bezos has been seething about for over two decades nowMusk and Bezos met in 2004, Musk told Bezos his approach was wronghttps://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/when-elon-musk-and-jeff-bezos-met-to-discuss-space-in-2004-2396130
>>16169504Musk won that argument over a decade ago. He's launching orbital boosters on a near daily basis, Bezos is launching a sounding rocket on a quarterly/bi-annual basis.
https://spacenews.com/faa-to-begin-environmental-review-of-starship-launches-from-kennedy-space-center/So SpaceX launch site at Florida is delayed by few years?
>>16169510>muh EISTotal NEPA death
>>16169510I guess, but there is also talk about a catch tower (maybe just two towers)>A new EIS, the FAA concluded, is needed because of changes in the design of Starship and its operations since the 2019 assessment. “SpaceX now proposes to construct additional launch infrastructure not previously contemplated in the 2019 EA,” the FAA stated, including a “catch tower” for Super Heavy booster landings. The Starship/Super Heavy design itself has changed significantly since 2019, and SpaceX has discussed plans to further evolve the design.
but I mean this time it could be faster than 2 years? they already have experience in approving infrastructure like this, so shouldn't that speed up the paperwork? Just copypaste most of the stuff from boca chica
>>16169510Sort of, but the reason it’s delayed is the methane station SpaceX is building. Starbase is going to have 2 OLMs so this won’t be an issue for a while
>>16169520it's not that easy in bureaucracy
Thought I could catch it on the ISS livestream but no sign of it yet.
>>16169544that stupid photobomb has been there for months now
>>16168052the cambrian explosion and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Visible already
>>16168222a dragon on top of falcon heavy alone isn't gonna be able to make lunar orbit and return
>>16168255>I worry that Avcoat can’t reliably support the size of reentry shield that Orion requires.i thought reentry heating was one of those things that got easier the bigger your craft is
I'm not seeing it guys
>>16169570
>>16169582one of the dangers of light speed travel have been solved by a /sci/entist
>>16169504What was the argument about?
>>16169577in principle yeah, in practice the shift from monolithic to tiled shields is a mess
>>16169614They have very different architectural approaches and different goals. Bezos wants to move everyone off Earth to orbital habitats, Elon wants to colonize Mars. Blue Origin is run like an oldspace company, SpaceX is run like a silicon valley tech company. Both recognized they needed a new engine architecture, BE-4 just happens to suck.
>>16169618so they're both just autistic got it.
>>16168334looks nothing like starshipfail
>>16169618>Bezos wants to move everyone off Earth to orbital habitats, Elon wants to colonize Mars.I propose a daring synthesis
>Biggest CME event in 2 decades>it's cloudy AND foggy in Perth>probably the only time I'll ever be able to see Aurora Australis this far northJUST.
>>16169601Droplet shields aren't a new concept and that one wastes onboard volatiles. Just use asteroid ice.
>>16169628it's probably going to be around at least through tomorrow, don't give up hope anon
Is there any way for ULA to survive in the future or are they fucked?
>>16169628>got as far north as Serpentine even, but then clouds are further northI fucking hate this universe. Can't even see shit when it finally does something pretty.
>>16169622Yeah, Bezos genuinely loves space, he has I think the best private collection of Apollo hardware in the world, recovered F1 engines from the Atlantic, etc. Blue Origin would be a good company if they actually did anything, I'm actually fine with a BO backup lander for Artemis. >>16169627He wants to literally depopulate Earth and keep it as a nature preserve, that's a bit far for me. It's not really my problem since I'd leave way before it would be technologically feasible, but it is weird. Colonizing Mars is a fairly reasonable goal in my opinion.
>>16169631It's going to be cloudy/rainy tonight too (it's 5am here).Only other time it was this visible this far north I'd presume was Halloween 2003 or Carrington when gold diggers at Kalgoorlie could see it.It's so joe-ver.
>>16169634Does he know that earth has like 30-40% of the surface area in the solar system we can actually use (including Venus)?We're too populated for 5 solar systems already.
>>16169634He should unironically hire me as CEO with my extensive /sfg/ experience.
One of Bezos' most interesting projects.
>>16169634I like the idea of Earth being largely a wildlife preserve with our more picturesque and historic structures/city cores kept around. If you want to enter the wild you can only carry what's on your back and if a predator gets you that's just tough luck
Ah ffs. It's so bright at Albany too.Had no rain or clouds for like 9 months before these last couple weeks.I'm so mad.
>>16169628Same here, clouded, and all the streetlights are still on. I wont see shit. And i already had one too many to take the car to a remote place without light population.
>>16169650I have this idea where a certain continent would be completely depopulated and only webcams left to people can watch the animals take over from their homes.
>>16169642you can get thousands of Earth surface areas with O'Neill type habs
saw enough, now can go to sleep
>>16169661it's just some ligths
>>16169652I assumed it was actually going to be too overcast to see it anywhere because it's a west coast low. I just happened to be up early due to going to bed early.But apparently if I went south of Serpentine I would have seen it.>fun fact, you are more likely to see the Aurora in Aus than you'd think because the magnetic pole shift has pushed the south pole far closer to the equator than the north pole AND towards AustraliaPeople always assume we're too far north here, but we're actually a lot closer to the pole than people think.
>>16169661why are all aurora clips sped up
>>16169661where at?
>>16169666it's from 4 minute capture>>16169670Lithuania
>>16169642That problem is solvable by blocking certain countries in the third world from importing food and oil.
>>16169672why did you speed it up and can you see it well with the naked eye?
>>16169642This map looks a whole lot bigger when you smash planets and asteroids to turn then into habitats.
>>16169656I am all for the destruction of sydney with one of these.
>>16169510America isnt serious about beating China to the moon
>>16169680Those are on there.Also we don't even use most of Earth's surface area already.Don't even use most of her resources, other than petroleum.
>>16169683Yep, America is truly a failed state.
>>16169679It's just what comes out when you do long exposure on pixel phone, and yeah you can see with naked eye, green a bit less.
>>16169684>those are in thereThats the surface volume of a sphere you fucking retard, now calculate for volume instead.
It's back down to G3 now
>>16168354I hear they resemble foxes
Even bunbury now.
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1789011669727003064This engine race between Relativity and Rocket Lab is starting to get interesting
>>16169710Even Jurien.>Went right over us and couldn't see shit because light pollution and clouds/fog
>>16169708interesting! any specific color of foxes?
>>16169715Damn, even kinda visible from Geraldton. Kinda hard to see though.https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/geraldton-cam.aspI don't think the carrington event got that high.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1789039556966445283
>>16169718They could be red or black or white or brown, like on Earth. But they're aliens so maybe even blue, like in this artist's depiction! Who knows?
>>16169653I think getting infrastructure across that much of Russia would be difficult, anon
>>16169725Are you a Turk or a Russian or a rare Africanon
>>16169736
>>16169725~8 years from napkin math to a supermajority of the functional satellites in orbit
>>16169712my bet is on relativity space
>next doors alarm goes off>my oven starts bugging>lights flickeringIt's obvious we're underprepared now.None of our networks are properly shielded from salty rain, let alone geomag storms. People saying otherwise are genuinely in denial there's problems.If this was G5 we'd might get fucked up. I'm assuming the solar panels on everyone's homes are not being dealt with in our electrical networks correctly. This shouldn't be that hard to fix and ultimately it could pay for itself by reducing equipment damage in our homes and offices from non geo-mag related surges, etc. Why are we stuck in the 50s with electrical grid management when we use 21st century equipment and power sources nowadays? I don't think it would ever completely fuck us up, but it will cost millions to billions in damages like a hurricane would. It's just not as obvious as hurricanes. I'll bet most computer bugs in our networks get them from these storms and have done so since the 50s. Computers are electrical engineering, not magic. Surges do impact their error rates. They also should be properly shielded. We still haven't done that correctly and we've literally known about the issue since the 80s when things like Apple computers (I think it was apple) used to bug because of shielding issues. They half fixed the situation and other pcs followed.. but it's still not enough.
>>16169722is it because the pole's closer to you now than it was during carrington?
>>16169312just saw aurora borealis in my city at 49° latitudeits so over
9-?Damn, biggest since 2005 easily.Still nothing on 2003, like not even close.I like how these storms were stronger and frequent during SC23's solar max. Hopefully this storm wakes up electrical providers so they realise that 2024 isn't 2005... we're not prepared for that tier of storm activity at all.
>>16169776Could be. Not sure.It doesn't make sense.I wonder how far north SC23's storms got. I don't remember seeing any back then and my city was like half the size and half the light pollution back then.
>>16169777Mein neger see >>16169722 >>16169715I wouldn't be surprised if this reached up to 28S. You can see it faintly on that webcam if you check. That's actually astonishing because we've had bigger Geo storms and I don't think they got that far north.
>solar storm!>solar storm!>solar storm!Like always, nothing will happen.
>>16168986Now that's a party.
BROOOOOOOS ITS ALMOST WDR TIME LATE MAY LAUNCH DATE IS REAL
ALSO theres THREE rollouts for tower sections as follows>May 13, 2024 from 11:00 PM until 3:00 AM>May 15, 2024 from 11:00 PM until 3:00 AM>May 17, 2024 from 11:00 PM until 3:00 AMSO TOWER 2 IS NEARING COMPLETION WE ARE ALMOST THERE BROS THE STARSHIP V2 ERA IS ALMOST UPON US
>>16169788We've already lost stereo sats from storms.I've literally dealt with legal cases in the billions involving damage from faulting transformers from such storms. You never hear about this on the news because it's confidential and has economic impact.Our current electrical engineering is so incompetent that we run models and data on machines that have flawed data maintenance systems. They bug. They perturb their data.And I imagine part of the reason is the lack of shielded electrical wiring and equipment, because electrical engineers and electrical providers are LAZY.It's not even cost.It's sheer laziness.The garbage I've seen admins of such companies say from the inside astounds me. And excel spreadsheets are a terrible utility to run such networks. That was the part that astonished me the most. I thought they had tailor made software data implementations for their shit. They often don't. They hack together shit using basic entry level software, often. It's utterly baffling.But when you're dealing with engineers that know what a transistor or a diode is, but then don't know how that is applicable to their data, stats and computer systems and the integrity of their data/control systems, you have problems.
>>16169770>Why are we stuck in the 50s with electrical grid management when we use 21st century equipment and power sources nowadays?Why would power companies shell out billions of dollars to improve services when they can just keep them going on life support and hand out dividends instead?
>>16169800Because it could literally get them into multi-billion dollar legal cases if they don't.And I've personally seen that.>oh and then the consumer gets their prices jacked up
>huh I wonder how /pol/ are handling the solar storm>
I didn't ask
I asked and was informed
>>16169811/pol/ doesn't know shit about solar storms.Fuck off with your denialism. I'm saying issues per my literal experience in industries.
>>16169811prove it wrongyou cant
>>16169816you're wright, I am waiting to a s c e n d into 5G
>>16169749They do seem to be in the lead with their hardware testingMeanwhile, India is also getting into the engine printing businesshttps://twitter.com/isro/status/1788891338299289683>Design & Manufacturing Breakthrough: ISRO successfully conducts a long-duration test of the PS4 engine, re-designed for production using cutting-edge additive manufacturing techniques and crafted in the Indian industry. The new engine, now a single piece, saves 97% of raw materials and reduces production time by 60%.I doubt that a 7.5kN thruster is either a cost or lead item for the PSLV, but it's still cool to see
>oh no he challenged my delusional fantasies>better call him /pol/ and run away from the criticismI hate these faggots the most. These people are why space is still basically impossible. Complacency has not improved anything. It's made our systems dysfunction and the space industry a giant racket of nothing but begging for money.
>>16169811>jewish well poisoning
>>16169819Are we going to talk about how much of a failure 5G is with getting people better coverage?No we won't, because that's apparently conspiracy according to the industry that is in a sunk cost situation. Phone coverage is now getting worse btw.
>>16169825its k 8G is coming
Oh and the REAL reason why the issues are never addressed is because of the economic ramifications of people realising that it's a flawed product. It would harm bank balance sheets. This is why your press will literally cover up most problematic things that could impact property prices nowadays. Gotta inflate those pools of assets!Same with the space industry.
>>16169825Why don't they simply put two 5Gs together to make a 10G?
>>16169825>5G>Better coverage????
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1789066871452381586
>>16169835it's not that easy in G'ery
>>16169811fuck off you stupid immigrant go back to where you came from
>>16169823*gravity well
>>161698255G is mostly about cities. LTE chokes in dense crowds but millimeter wave 5G can handle a full stadium.
https://twitter.com/Wicky_dubs_WX/status/1789076845431754907>According to Hp30 (this is an index like Kp, but it averages over 30 minutes instead of 3 hours), we are in a G5 storm. Anything over "9.0" is G5-- we are at "11". Time will tell if this #solarstorm has the punch to cause Kp to reach G5 as well. #SpinalTap references duly noted.>Waiting for the updates from this. 3H index will likely say G5 in the next update from SWPC.
>>16169839boosters are not spacecraft, fucking midwit
>>16169839nobody here is replying to the astronomical news that two weeks reset countdown is over because theyre all /pol/ immigrants who care more about off topic schizophrenia like that retarded infographic from earlier. they derail the general so easily its just sad. watch somebody reply angrily because everything i said was directed at them.
>>16169851why do you feel the need to try and seem smarter than everyone in the most minor of things like this. it doesnt make you look smarter it just makes you more annoying.
>>16169857Why do they feel the need to act like oldfag know it alls?
>>16169857spacecrafts go to space, end of story
>>16169859space isn't real
>>16169858i dont know desu, when i was still (more of) a newfag a few years ago i just wanted to learn about the hobby i specifically came here for.everyone who came after 2015 is newscum still apparantly so i guess i count.
>>16169861Then we agree
>>16169642>all human skin is almost the size of the north island of NZ
>>16169849
So, how many satellites just got cooked?
>>16169848What I like is that in my country, farmers are complaining because they cut off 3G networks and went all in on 4G and 5G.That really shows just how dumb these people are. But I can't even get reception in my room nowadays. That's a relatively new thing.5G won't fry you because it can barely reach you. It's arguably safer than 3G, but not intentionally.
>>16169871that's the ultimate nothingbuhrger test. if nothing happens, then the carrington event was a hoax
>>16169838Yeah that was a joke because it doesn't.It has worse coverage and is redundant because of that in places like Australia where there is a large space to cover.People thinking that it's useful for surveillance are ignorant because these networks actually cover LESS than 3G.
>>16169008>50% of all vehicles would be electric!ebin
>>16169870https://twitter.com/_SpaceWeather_/status/1789079269957611788>Extreme G5 geomagnetic storm (Kp9)$1$sThreshold Reached: 22:54 UTC
>>16169849>not over 9000 yet
>>16169869Contemplate the fleshscape.
5G /pol/ spam. General is unusable. Hoping they hire new jannies soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zuqDt-KlkMThread soundtrack.>>16169853These vids are sick. We need more sats doing this shit ay.
>>16169869>ywn explore that NZ otherworld-esque fleshy hellWhy even live?
>>16169880Nah it's better to educate them on why the elites are dumb for trying to use 5G for their drone networks.You know how many events I've seen with drones that have had them crash because of network coverage issues? kek
>>16169871Stereo already got cooked without a storm kek.
https://x.com/vickicocks15/status/1789084633587458065B11 moved out of the bay, WDR soon
https://twitter.com/seanorphoto/status/1789079965478326423/>Absolutely biblical skies in Tasmania at 4am this morning. I’m leaving today and knew I could not pass up this opportunity for such a large solar storm. Here’s the image. I actually had to de-saturate the colours. Clouds glowing red. Insane. Shot on Nikon. Rt appreciated
>>16169846Gravity wells are already poisoned with gravity. And what's worse, some of them are infested with earthers.
>>16169854>someone complains about electric grid issues>this poster posts this >>16169811 to begin associating this crap with that posterThey do this EVERY thread I complain about this bullshit. Like every time.This is what happens when you have corporations that pay people to spam on here for marketing purposes. Criticism affects their asset pools.Just look at the GFC. They're still trying to inflate property prices to inflate their property bubbles and mortgage pools while shutting down criticism that could impact property prices.
>>16169892Only ours is..
>>16169827You might as well put wifi every 10 m or so and do this at this stage. That's how dumb it is. I don't know what else they could do to increase wifi speeds. It's a serious dilemma ay. We need wifi (regardless of the cancer, because getting rid of it will DEFINITELY kill more people).Maybe the system of multiplexing or whatever they use nowadays on wifi.Or maybe we should revive pigeon mail. :^)
>>16169891https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6wtDPVkKqI
https://twitter.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1789083060694098259>Serbia becomes latest country to join China’s ILRS moon base projecthttps://spacenews.com/serbia-becomes-latest-country-to-join-chinas-ilrs-moon-base-project/
Why is there no news on the aurora, it's all just paper shredding?
>>16169898>Or maybe we should revive pigeon mail. :^)We need to bring back the passenger pigeon first, get on it 4ASS. Inter-colony communication utilizing underground tunnel systems will rely crucially on pigeon power.
>>16169898Not spaceflight or science or math
>>16169895We can certainly hope so, but we don't know.
>G5 storm>barely an S2huh?2003 was S4. What's going on?
>>16169917I don't know how the sun works but the bigger number sounds more ominous.
Spaceflight?
>>16169922Yeah but my issue is that protons are the thing that causes problems to satellites. I don't want the public to get complacent with G5 because the proton count is lower than other G5s.
>>16169927>I don't want the public to get complacentWhy? Literally nothing happened.Maybe take your meds?
Our little ball of fire is so cute.
>>16169930Alright, next time s5 is reached and no one gives a shit, don't complain to me. What I'm trying to say is that the G scale is useless.
>NOAA UPGRADES GEOMAGNETIC STORM TO "HIGH G5"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY
>>16169673I think Israel has some domestic food and oil production though.
>>16169930Also, you have no idea if things have happened, because your corporations lie to you and pretend nothing has happened.I've already heard alarms go off in this area.
>400apinteresting.
>>16169873There are two parts of 5G, a long range band and millimeter wave. Your ISP sucks if they don't use both.
>>16169933I wonder what it'd be like to look up at a different oneI don't mean "you were born under a different sun and look up", I mean looking up at a sun you know to be alien, or rather you're alien to it.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/nasa-wants-a-cheaper-mars-sample-return-boeing-proposes-most-expensive-rocket/Have some spaceflight
>florida environmental study is likely to last years2039 it is
>>16169952kek what did Boing mean by this
>>16169904iran and north korea are the two biggest missing players from ILRS but who knows when they'll join
>>16169952Reminder that MSR can never be cheap because of planetary protection requirements
>>16169964
So officially one of the strongest storms up with 2003 and 1989 now.But on S2?So it impacted magnetometers but wasn't spewing protons?I'm confus.Is that because the flares associated with the CMEs were lower X flares than 2003 (X40ish vs X3ish)?
>>16169520No, EIS is the long one. It's gonna bite them in the ass one of these days that they didn't do a bunch of fuck you huge EIS at ITS '16 scale back then.
>>16169973I think everybody, even corporations, would be on board for this.Even the IRS, who probably are suicidal nowadays.
>>16169973this is the post what made me do it.
>>16169973
>>16168305>no aurora for EU eitherYOU FUCKIGN NIGGERS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VISIBLE FROM HERE IF WE GOT IT
>>16168340>>16169022>kvetch kvetch kvetch
>>16169453Why would you ever want to leave the City?
>>16169318You'd need to do a full planetary survey for life before the EIS can be completed, which NASA refuses to do.
>>16169981Only Americans get the cool shit
>>16169992i hate this gay earth so much
>storm affects network>try to blame it on a treelolhttps://web.archive.org/web/20240509194526/https://poweroutage.us/area/utility/36
>>16168305>>16169992Will I get to see it in Arizona?
>>16169992and canadians in that little bit (me)
>>16169965North Korea, Iran, and Kazakhstan are all shoe-ins for ILRS, but none of them really contribute much beyond adding a +1 to the membership list. Hungary, Austria, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Ireland, and Portugal should all be easy pickups for Artemis via their ESA member status but they're not bringing much on their own either. Taiwan is another easy Artemis member. The only real big pick left on the board is Indonesia. They're a big country with a big economy and they've got a lot of interest in space. They've got a fleet of about a dozen geostationary telecom satellites and they've tried to entice SpaceX to build a launch complex in their country. They also have strong economic ties with China, but they're smart enough not to slip into the vassal role that China prefers. They could really go either way at this point. Vietnam and the Philippines are in similar situations, but they're not as large or as interested in space. Iran might not be that far off from joining. They've had an interest in getting one of their citizens into space for decades, and would have sent one up to Mir in the early 90s if the USSR hadn't collapsed. They recently struck a similar deal with China to visit Tiangong, and we might see a big public announcement after China sends up their next set of modules. Announcing that Iran is joining ILRS at the same time as they reveal the first Iranian astronaut would make sense.
>>16169996no, too far south
Sigh.. The fact that there's a cluster around the coast of bunbury confirms my suspicions about those insulators. Those things are ready to blow without the storm because of salt water affecting them. This same are in fact got bushfires I presume from some of them going off. That was during either a major flare or a storm (one of those) a few months ago. But I see this regularly.These easily cause millions of dollars of damage btw. So the idea that we're safe from these things is completely off. They are a detriment to the economy big time.I can only imagine how annoying this storm is in 3rd world nations where things aren't maintained at all.I just wanted to show how undramatic millions of dollars of damage actually looks. It's not terrifying, but it is expensive.
>>16170001Pretty sure I'm gonna see it
>>16170005"Possibly visible over northern horizon" means you aren't seeing shit.
>>16170006>believing scientist forecasts yeah, you really wanna play that game?
>>16170005>Great Lakes region north>rain arrivesSuck a dick, weather.Annihilate the atmosphere, make it go away
>>16170007You posted the image, chump. Sorry about your shithole beaner state by the way
>>16169992>100% cloud cover where I was>won't be another total eclipse in the US for 20 more years>>16170005I'm surprised it can be seen that far south, but I'm right on the line, so probably not for me.
>>16170014You had the option to drive but you chose not to. I drove from AZ to AK and caught it
>might have been visible from here in europe>was facing south with a campfire all eveningthere is no wojak pink enough for this feeling
One day we will get a Carrington event at the START of the solar cycle before years of maintenance work on electrical grids from consistent smaller storms.Only then will people realise just how dangerous these things truly are. Grids need maintenance. They degrade. Storms merely set them off normally. And when they're consistently small, no one notices.When they're large but AFTER smaller storms for years, no one notices (like now).But when they're large and at the beginning of a cycle, with no maintenance having been done because of previous storm effects and after years of solar minimum - that's when the catastrophic network damage actually happens.
>>16170015I mean AR loool
>>16170015It was on a Monday. Some people have this thing called a "job". If I didn't, I would have been with some friends north of Dallas.
>>16170017Ok that's fine, I hope it happens. If people are dying it will probably get fixed faster
>>16170019I dont work mondays, I took tuesday off (paid leave), and I was late to work wednesday (wfh). Get a better job
>>16170020But the economic consequences could be beyond catastrophic and we're already doomed from the GFC/covid.I can't even use the beach nowadays there's that many fucking homeless drug addicts.
>>16170022when the power is out, we can kill the drug addicts
if we had a moon base everyone on it would be dead by now
>>16170025Just throw some dirt over the hab, you should've to begin with
>>16170021>I dont work mondaysLucky fucking you. I didn't have enough time off saved up to take off two days for it. I have something much better than 5 minutes of the sun hiding to use those two days on next month.
>>16170019>Some people have this thing called a "job"Point at him and laugh
>X5.89Nice.Also something tells me this is just the first storm of many to come and they're going to get worse over June.>>16170023Well that's assuming you aren't homeless yourself at that stage.
>>16170029worse? maybe. this year is the peak of the 11 year solar cycle, so it'll definitely be above average.
>>16170015>I drove from AZ to AK and caught itYou drove to Alaska?
>>16170027it feels like I'm staring at a toaster oven waiting for my pizza rolls to cook, or sitting too close to a campfire, except the heat permeates the air and there is nowhere to hide. I look up at the sun and yell IS THIS THE BEST YOU GOT? Get in my black sedan after baking all day, 150°F inside. I burn myself on my seatbelt buckle. This happens every year!
>>16170034I drove to Little Rock, Alaska
#wenhop?
>>16170036Humans are not supposed to live in Arizona. I've been there, I can tell. The state hasn't been terraformed yet.
>>16170031Then max was predicted June.I think the timing is right, but the magnitude is somehow completely off.SC25 should have been weaker than SC24 and it has already been stronger for some time before this storm.So the fact that this storm happened near the max suggests that it's merely the magnitude that was wrong.
https://twitter.com/_SpaceWeather_/status/1789104207401828831>Strong R3 radio blackout in progress (≥X1 - current: X5.43)
>>16170042>The state hasn't been terraformed yet.You have more chance of living on Mars than Phoenix Arizona.It's just a fact.
Can the storm set off smoke alarms? Mine's gone off a couple of times today for no reason.
>>16170047These are pretty regular though.
>>16170049Without an air-conditioned vehicle I was forced to flee that place after nightfall, when the temperature dipped all the way down to 85*F.Arizona must be terraformed in order for humans to reasonably live there, scuttling from air conditioned box to air conditioned box in air conditioned vehicles is scarcely different than living on the moon as it is.
>>16170062I wonder if it could impact the air quality near smoke alarms?I doubt that.But it might affect the electricals. I've heard a few alarms already around me go off. Kinda cool.I don't remember that happening in 2003, which is worrying. 2003 was bigger.
>>16170063Not anywhere near this scale. There's usually just a blob of yellow and red somewhere. This time it's more a case of what areas aren't affected
Getting a mild headache. Maybe it does affect EM/radio frequencies enough to cause a very mild headache. Gonna assume placebo, but if not - honestly more than I thought would happen with that shit.Though air inversions cause much much worse issues and it's always the lower EM freqs (not 5G) that cause issues. I don't know why people assume it's the higher freqs that are the problem. The lower freq can penetrate things much much more.You have to have your head next to a 5G transmitter to cause problems to your health. >now bluetooth on the other hand...
noticed my lights briefliy blinking twice now already, power grid must be strained
GOES WEATHER SATELLITES ABOUT TO SURPASS WARNING THRESHOLD!!
fffffuck I can't believe we reached G5
>>16170070Nah I've seen it like that before a few times. That might be the worst I've seen it though.
last 3 digits of my post are how many Starlinks SpaceX loses to this storm
>>16170097Wew, ok this might fuck some sats up.Didn't some fail with a lesser storm recently?
>>16170104yes specifically ones that were just launched a day or so before the G2 storm in Feb 2022, thankfully SpaceX wouldn't do something so silly as that again now would th
>>16170099>aurora has been seen in southern texas>mfw its thick ass clouds outsidecant see shit
Hang on, if protons are only just now coming in, was that just the beginning?Jesus Christ what is happening. This makes no sense. None of them were X10+
>>16170099I honestly thought solar max was like 3 months ago.I couldn't have been more wrong and I think this party might just be starting.NASAs prediction got the timing right, but definitely not the magnitude. It's so off it's ridiculous.
>>16170105CANDLEJACK STOP HE DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THI
>>16170114>X5.4 flarewe're moving up!
>>16170097oooh it got close
>>16170005>Literally stops at the border of MexicoSe acabó
if the moon had a magnetic core then we'd see lunar aurora from the earth...
>>16170120damn
>>16170118it respects the border wall, unlike some people
big if true
>>16168207>WA >importing Saffir retardismI was gonna write you off as full of shit but now I know you're telling the truth
yeah im thinking this storm is kino
>>16170118That was a conservative forecast. People have been seeing things overhead as far south as the Bahamas.
>>16170136I only saw it about 10-15 degrees above the horizon in north texas :(
>>16170129kek
the sky is a bit green and red, cool I guess
>>16170158SHUT UP IM TOO FAR SOUTH AND ITS TOO CLOUDY SO I DIDNT SEE IT
STAGING>>16170159>>16170159>>16170159>>16170159>>16170159
>>16169891Hmmm maybe we shouldn’t remove atmosphere
>>16169898global mesh networks
>>16170025isn't it a new moon right now? they'd be shadowed by the moon
>>16170167Well just fucking have permanent ethernet connection nodes everywhere at that stage.What's the fucking point? kek
>>16170110>>16170099Nothingburger
>>16169453Given the size these things are meant to be I think an opening big enough for a helicopter would be so relatively small it wouldn't affect anything. You could even make it an simple airlock to stop as much heat leaving when you open it to the outside (but again it probably wouldn't really matter that much relatively)
