Give me evidence of something existing without a cause.
>>16147772Rebellion
>>16147777checked
In the beginning it was very hot.Isn't enoughSomething was making it hot.You have to mention this.
>>16147772Quantum fluctuations, contingency is more of an issue for atheism, see:>>16146607
>>16147772Radioactive nuclei decay without cause. It's totally spontaneous, totally random.
Everything, besides that, nothing.The universe.
>>16147772God
OP posted something sensible but people who replied were tardy and gout. I give up with sci - gonna leave this board today.
Hawking radiation
>>16147831i've actually wondered about that. god can be used as the cause to justify our existence, but what about god's existence? is there a cause for him too? does it just keep going so on and so forth? if every effect has to have a cause behind it, then at what point do we reach the end of all the causes behind all the effects? maybe some circular sorta thing where somehow the effect leads to the cause?
>>16147772p-adic numbers
>>16148735>is there a cause for him too?
>>16147772One sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as impossible
>>16147772your reproductive organs
>>16147814the cause is the existence of the radioactive nuclei
>>16149835that's so le deep
>>16149040You solve this by saying the universe is (necessary). Everything in the universe has a cause, that does not mean the universe itself needs a cause.
>>16147772Consciousness
>>16149856it exists because of your brain, it causes it. it always goes away when your brain goes to shit
>>16149850>saying something makes it true
>>16148735I have explained all this in detailfor the 5 millionth time, God is the uncaused cause, the prime mover. He wasnt made
>>16149856
>>16150254Yet you can just as easily replace it with nothing since it is an unnecessary leap in logic.
>>16147772your momhttps://www.wired.com/2015/08/absurd-creature-of-the-week-hippo-butt-leech-placobdelloides-jaegerskioeldi/
>>16151549YEAH? You wanna go bro? Fag. Kys now
>>16151207this doesnt make any sense, care to elaborate?
>>16151555Yes, you had to invent some axiom that something can't come from nothing just to argue that something other than nothing is at the origin point when logic is fine with just using nothing and the value of nothing as the absolute origin point.
>>16149040That image was made by a retard who probably finds William Lane Craig compelling. It drops the PSR down by 50+ IQ points. Read this instead, heathens:https://www.amazon.com/Principle-Sufficient-Reason-Reassessment-Philosophy/dp/0521184398
>>16151560You're the one inventing axioms by saying 'logic says something can come from nothing', you imbecile nincompoop.
>>16151586No, I am using arithmetic logic axioms rather than inventing my own.
>>16151560ok name one thing that ever came from nothing then. Are you denying we live in a causal reality? I dont understand your angle here
>>16151597Yeah it's bollox. Now fuck off and kys retard.
>>16151598100% comes from a function based on nothing alone via 0!=100%.
>>16151599I accept your concession, you have to make up your own bullshit and ignore long established systems of logic to make your point.
>>16151602I got no time for retards so w/e
>>16151606Long established system of logic, 'nothing can produce something' why? It's widely accepted. Or. I don't answer whys that's not a scientific question. What then? 'what what'? What allows something to come from nothing? 'nothing is allowed....' lots of bullshit in sues. Basically it's just 'it just does ok', and this is long established. You're a fucking faggot you better kys.
>>16151613That is all you technically have time for since you always have to deal with yourself.
>>16151624Sure except god, its better something as complicated and convoluted as god be the exception than something as simple and pure as nothing.
>>16151629In the beginning it was very hot. What this thread implies is that something was making it hot. Not that it was hot for no reason like academic retards assert with long established logic. Goonie.
>>16151638So its not the beginning, you are just abusing language to make a retarded point?
>>16151648GET OUT
>>16147772>a causeNo, thats the effect.
>>16151651Someone's toffed you off.
>>16150198>God is necessary because I said so>No you can't just say things are necessary
>>16151598The universe apparently.
>>16151598How do you know "nothing" is even a valid state of existence. There is no nothing anywhere everything is filled with energy, quantum fields, matter, and such things. You can't prove that nothing even exists and so you can't prove that nothing ever comes from nothing.
>>16151875> There is no nothing anywhere buddy, this is the point I have made a million times on this board over the last decade
>>16151878So how can you claim to know how it behaves? How can you say nothing comes from nothing?
>>16151903Don't reply to nametards, newfag
>>16151907why you always sniffing my asshole looking for a treat?
>>16151903I didnt and dont know what you are on about. You just made all this up in your head
>>16151875I am holding nothing, its an empirical experience anyone can observe, I can see nothing with my own two ears at all times and so can you.
>>16153044there is nothing between your ears alright
>>16153057My head is between my two ears, there is nothing between my left ear and my left ear, though.
>>16153063there are no atoms there? is it just a void eh? perhaps it is an einstein-rosen bridge to another dimension in your bumhole
>>16153097There is not even a void, there is nothing because my left ear is my left ear with nothing in between itself since it is itself.
Watch the video from the beginning, if you have the time, or maybe even watch the movie.https://youtu.be/NkyzKsBV-Co&t=352
>>16147772Anyone can always just arbitrarily assign the cause of anything as unknown, but you can't actually show me any cause for nature, reality, spontaneous processes, random mutation, spontaneous recovery, spontaneous emission, spontaneous decay, etc.
>>16149869No, you generally have dreams, NDEs and/or hallucinate a conscious experience when your brain goes to shit.
>>16147772Your pathetic life.
>>16156049That, like yours, was caused by two tards having a fuck.
>>16147772You randomly posted this thread without something causing you to do it.
