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>>16134598I see a wee wee and an arm reaching out to tug on it....
>>16134604coomer, i....
The perfect spaceplane doesn't ex-
Is SUSIE a spaceplane?
>>16134636SUSIE and Starship are not space planes. They are not capsules.They are reusable fairings.
Mars, terraform in progress
>>16134636reusable spacecraft
>>16134658
>>16134636No, they are bricks with wings.
>>16134689It's Barkon's time to speak, now let's be quiet
>>16134658>>16134668>Patrolling the Mojave Almost Makes You Wish For a Nuclear Winter
we need something exciting to happen today
>>16134699Starlinks are flying today.
>>16134701exciting
>>16133507
>>16134692Tuxedo cats are silly little things
>>16134711sanctions aren't affecting it
female welding colleague invited me to her place so she can show me some TIG welding. What did she mean by this?
>>16134732sex
>>16134719idk, considering how scared they are of letting outside institutions get direct hands on economic data, i'd say they're working. they wouldn't have anything to hide if a bunch of sanctions magically had no effect.
>>16134732https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya_D9IwB3-s
the biden admin is corrupt
>>16134770Name one admin after JFK that didn’t royally fuck up NASAs potential
>>16134772Trump
>>16134775Wrong, ISS was extended and SLS was thrown more funding. This is, metaphorically, dropping two anchors and folding your sails away.
https://twitter.com/LMSpace/status/1780969726925005204
speaking of sails
>>16134777So your question was insincere as those are congressional actions and you deliberately omitted Artemis.
>>16134796Ahhh thanks for mentioning! Who controlled the purse in 2016, 2017, and 2019?!And is SLS not a part of Artemis? Thanks for mentioning that too—they kept Gateway alive. A toll booth grift designed to “chain” Congress to the Moon… and we know how that works out long-term (see: MSR samples being left on Mars. Turns out adding cost and complexity doesn’t save you money)
>>16134732It's an acronym, Tungsten In 'er Gash
>>16134732She's embarrassed about your shitty welds making the company look bad and wants to show you how to improve.
>>16134800You shouldn't write longer responses as it gives away your ESL.
>>16134772Obongo gave money to that pay pal guy so there's that
>>16134815meanwhile my shitty welds:
the niggers at j fiber have discovered advanced fiber cables which are perfect for woman with dark skin tones who put things into tubes and press buttons which use fiber cables. if you're in the business of fiber cables, even if you aren't as smart as a nigger is, these fiber cables will make you cum in your pants
>>16134732she wants to see your tungsten electrode
>>16134732Your balls and penis WILL be welded together and you WILL enjoy it
>>16134732>not friction stir weldingshe's going to clamp your nuts
>>16134836Wherein the propellant is stored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCZxdKs2ug
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=6lSOdKS2EOqeH1sj&v=U3TKz6ZrAq0&feature=youtu.beMueller did an interview with Ellie
>>16134919footpig.
>>16134796>>16134775If you remove funding what was accomplished by the administration? HLS and ... em ... Oh, they changed the name to Artemis.
>>16134818>political dogmatist gets told>pretends anyone other than himself is mad.wew lad
>>16134818So you’re wrong, then. And now you have nothing to attack save for my English fluency.
>>16134795why do all pleasure craft look the same?they all have that gayass horseshoe shaped window.it's boring and tasteless.
>>16134692Nice cat, not as nice as my cat.
>>16134940>why do all these pleasure craft boats have a almost 360 view window.
>>16134940refinement culture
Of all the words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: "we've not yet reached TRL 3"https://techport.nasa.gov/view/146346
>2024>still no 1970's style space station above MarsWhat went so unbelievably wrong?
>>16135005Apollo 11 happened and then the general populace and politicians realized they didn’t really give a fuck about space [math]\unicode{x1F937}[/math]
>>16135005>1500>still no 1420's style tributary in AfricaWhat went so unbelievably wrong?
>>16134714They're the best. They have the thirst for affection of a void and the questionable intelligence and/or goofyness of an orange tabby,
>>16134936Space Force, duh.>changed the nameSLS didn't have a program at ALL under obeezy because he kept canceling missions like Mars and crewed NEA flyby. Trump was also visibly more supportive of commercial space (picrel).
>>16135005The yanks declared a pyrrhic victory, the slavs went on did their own thing because the funding dried up, euro's picked healthcare instead of space exploration. If the russians landed on the moon first, the US would have been like "fuck you, we are going to mars instead"
>>16135029>... NASAs potential>space farceHmmm.
>>16135031The one thing Senpai got right was that the US would never tolerate Soviet lunar supremacy because of the high ground effect.
>>16135044I know i'm going to get a lot of shit for this, but russia won ever battle, US won the war in the space race. And i still dont understand how the US went from going to the moon to riding bitch on the soyuz to the ISS.
>>16135064Simple. Rockwell lied like a used car saleswoman with a law degree about the capabilities and price of their STS bid (which is why they no longer exist) and then NASA had to apportion shuttle contracts so carefully between Congressional districts that fixing the flaws after Challenger was impossible.
If Korolev didn't die would the Soviets have landed on the Moon? Assuming that Apollo goes on the same as IRL, and N1 flies in the 70s. Would there still have been enough will on either side to continue?
>>16135081Who knows, there are some who claim that the N1 was actually becoming a lot more reliable when they pulled the plug on it. Others say it was a shitshow and that it ever got of the ground is miracle.
>>16135064The United States was sabotaged from within, otherwise there'd have been Apollo-derived Mars and Venus missions by the mid 80s. >have Saturn V>retire it>have to invent new heavy lift vehicle>can't for any less than $4bn>+tipSomeone should do an alt-history like SENPAI but without all the gays and lame drama.
>>16135081Soviets cut their losses because it was embarassing having their superheavy rocket explode every time when the American one worked flawlessly. If N1 worked, or even if Saturn V exploded a few times then I think Soviets would have done it.
>>16134732>female welding colleaguestopped reading right there. this never happened.
Its been so boring recently.. atleast May will be pumped the fuck up because Shartliner explosion and Starship flight
>>16135098>The United States was sabotaged from withinBy who?
>>16135110Gremlins.
>>16135064you should get a lot of shit for it because>russia won ever(y) battleisn't even remotely close to true. the r7 was head and shoulders above any american launcher from 1957-1964 but the soviets were still failing to get a lot of firsts due to their deficient electronics - especially with how mariner 2 and 4 were the first probes to return any useful info from venus and mars. voskhod was a desperate stunt to try to paper over how gemini was ready years ahead of soyuz. after voskhod 2 americans spent nearly 2000 man-hours in orbit before a soviet flew again... and that flight was soyuz 1.>>16135081what would korolev not dying have fixed? the n1 was the rocket he designed, and mishin was his right-hand man who korolev trusted more than any other. what we got irl is pretty much what we would have gotten in an alternate timeline. the n1 would have still been a disaster and korolev would have ended his career in disgrace. dying young was a good move for him, since it let him become a totem for lazy alternate histories rather than a subject for critical historical analysis.
>>16135112we don't tolerate antisemetic ideology here.
>>16135116*Antigremlitic
Is there a fundamental lower bound on rocket nozzle size? Could a future craft have 10000 tiny individual rocket engines, all 3d printed or something?
>>16135126Yes.
>>16135126as long as it's pressure-fed you can pretty much make it as small as you want. that's what rcs thrusters are.
>>16135081If N1 worked and the Soviets had not quit the space race would have continued and there would be Moon colonies already.
>>16135129aerospikes arethe most holariousl stupid design ever
>>16135114Korolev was the dominant political force in the Soviet space program. It would have recieved more resources, suffered less infighting and not been cancelled before what might would have been its first successful flight.
>>16135142Sober up before you shitpost.
>>16135129>>16135142have any aerospike engines been flown yet?
>>16135156Yes, many, but nobody wants to fund bigger projects. Not since the whole X-33 shitshow.
>>16135131What about turbopumps? What's the limiting factor for making them fit inside a liter?
So common we don't even hoot and holler and hop around like apes anymore.
>>16135144i could buy that line of thinking if korolev hadn't been one of the primary sources of infighting himself. was he a dominant political force? no, he couldn't get development of the n1 authorized until 1964 largely because he'd discredited himself with lots of the power players in soviet politics. even after 1964 the project suffered for lack of resources because korolev and chelomei were fighting over control of the manned flyby program.note that i'm not claiming this is all korolev's fault. but it's a matter of fact. the whole n1-l3 project was never in good shape. it was always years behind apollo. even in a best-case scenario they wouldn't have been ready for a manned landing before 1972 - and that would've just highlighted how much less capable a soviet lunar mission was than a j-class apollo landing.you can come up with alternate histories where the soviets get their act together years earlier and come up with a rocket design that isn't held together with hopium - it's not impossible that the space race could've continued. but korolev alone isn't your ticket to that, and in fact i'm not sure he helps at all.
woosh
>>16135173boooringi live by the coast and I don't even bother to see them anymore unless it's Falcon Heavy or anything else besides SpaceX
yay
>>16135110Congress
>>16135160Some absolute galaxybrains flew a hydrogen peroxide monoprop RDRE aerospike recently as a tech demo.https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/venus-aerospace-achieves-successful-inaugural-supersonic-drone-flight-302099779.html
>>16135216>we don't tolerate antisemetic ideology here.
>>16135219rainbow dash looking ass
>>16135219nice, i'm still kind of mad about the whole x-33 situation, the launch pad was ready, the x-33 test version was 90% done.Congress pulled the plug because of the composite tank bullshit while the alu tanks turned out lighter and more reliable. The us army wanted to step in and fund to al least see it fly one time and find out of aerospikes actually work so they could claim the entire project. Congress blocked that too. So two options, aerospikes actually work and it would destroy oldspace, or it was a massive scam and they killed the project at the last second so nobody could find out.
>>16135224Given how buttmad Tory Bruno still is about cancellation I'm pretty sure it would have worked. Ironically the Venture Star would have been happening right around the same time as Falcon 9 so we could have seen an aerospike shootle with optional flyback kerolox LRBs for heavier payloads or higher orbits.
>>16135243what do you "worked" the vehicle they had would never have made orbitIf there was any weight bloat on the final vehicle which was not under construction then your payload disappears
SLS GEARING UP TO GET CANNED AAAAHHHHHHH
>>16135248Again, dont post when shitfaced.
>>16135249lol not happening (though I wish it would)
>>16135263He might be righthttps://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1781111620493520998
>>16134732We need pics
>>16135265MSR AND SLS GETTING CANNED BACK TO BACKIM COMING
>>16135265>errrm artemis launch dates are slipping so we're gonna fire a lotta peopleinteresting reasoning!
>>16135265>Pay Boing! hundreds of billions to develop a rocket desperately, and keep the shuttle alive by all means>They decide to scale back on the project anyways Artemis 2 2035
>>16135005Vietnam
>>16135096The N1 test flights are a lot like Starship test flights, except there's not a lot of definitive proof that the Soviets ever fixed any of the issues the explosions pointed out. Switching to the next generation engines was a good move, and it was in line with the original projections of the rocket being ready for service sometime in the mid-seventies.
>>16135301>not a lot of definitive proof that the Soviets ever fixed any of the issues the explosions pointed outanother similarity there...
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/spacex-working-with-northrop-grumman-on-spy-satellites-for-us-government/>SpaceX is reportedly working with at least one major US defense contractor, Northrop Grumman, on a constellation of spy satellites for the National Reconnaissance Office.
>>16135305https://archive.is/rwvvp>Exclusive: Northrop Grumman working with Musk's SpaceX on U.S. spy satellite system
>>16135307> In March, Reuters reported that the National Reconnaissance Office, or NRO, in 2021 awarded a $1.8 billion contract to SpaceX for the classified project, a planned network of hundreds of satellites. So far, the people familiar with the project said, SpaceX has launched roughly a dozen prototypes and is already providing test imagery to the NRO, an intelligence agency that oversees development of U.S. spy satellites.>The collection of imagery hasn't been previously reported.
How batshit/clever is it to power interstellar spacecraft using artificially generated black holes?
>>16135265ITS OVER
>>16135310mostly works for the romulans other than when the aliens who could freeze time were living inside one
>>16135320I mean, the basic idea isn't that far fetched compared to the technology that we have today or could make today. Things like nuclear pumped lasers, that's something we can do.
>>16135104I worked with 3 female welders over 20 years ago. It is a thing.They were fucking shit to deal with though.
>israel is currently conducting missile strikes on irantime for more space warfare kino
>>16135328When will the world be freed from the nonstop kikery in the blood stained deserts?
>>16135329When will we kick out all variants of Abrahamic religions?
>>16135326"compress 100 metric tons into something one ten-thousandth the size of a proton" isn't an inherently difficult concept to understand but if you think it's not far fetched compared to today's technology then i'd suggest that you work on comprehending orders of magnitude
>>16135265wasn't apollo's peak workforce in like 1966? You don't need as many engineers once you've designed and tested the thing
>>16135338*compress 100000 metric tonsi have to work on my orders of magnitude too
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1780975689425883393>we are designing and building a TRL-6 robotic excavatorNasa actually starting to do something non-retarded?Starship is starting to sink in
>>16135367once the spiral shovels fill up one (1) time, what do they do with the dirt
>>16133272post guns so I can judge you
>>16135370Set it in piles for the ESA+NASA refinery mission to recover 17 years later (cancelled)
>>16135367it's about time. Seemed like no-one apart from Casket Handjob or whatever that guys name is was doing anything to contribute to making ISRU happen.
>>16134936he appointed big jim, who was based. thats about it.>>16135110the senators from utah, alabama, and washington state.>>16135265its boiver>>16135340SLS isn't finished, they need a different model SLS for artemis 3 and on.
>>16135328>The Iranian Space Agency (ISA) is claiming that Air Defense Batteries were able to Intercept at least 3 Hostile Targets this morning over the Isfahan Province of Central Iranimagine nasa saying some shit like this
>>16134824use more filler, you've got undercutting
https://twitter.com/PrivateerSpace/status/1781032009122320637Dumbest shit I saw today, perhaps the whole weekAnd that is saying something
>>16135411So a Didn't Earn It has a single brain cell opinion. What a shocking surprise.
>>16135336based forest shaman
I have payed for my FumoI predict it will be arriving before the end of the monthI hope you idiots are prepared for an increase in fumoposts
>>16135371First it's "musk doesn't do anything he just takes all the credit" now it's "why is he screwing everything up" so I wonder (not really, we all know the answer) what they'll say once starship actually starts delivering payloads to orbit
>>16135411ok my satellite does coms AND it takes pictures of earththat good enough?
>>16135371>>16135455there's been a switcheroo from "falcon 9 is a money-loser/dangerous/nothing new" to "falcon 9 is great but nobody involved in that is still around" too
>>16134795Looks ugly as fuck compare to a j class
>>16135265>having to wait on SpaceX to finish hls forcing Boeing to burn cash is some how Boeing's fault
>>16135411Yeah, I think it's stupid how satellites take a single photo and then immediately stop working.
>>16135442What's a fumo?
>>16135473Almost anything does though. A better insult is that it looks like a Chinese knockoff yacht with junk rigging because that pokes fun at Amazon.
>>16135491fear uv missing out
>>16135491short for "mofu tomodachi" (soft friend) they're these silly stuffed anime dolls
>>16135507actualllllllyit's from moFUMOfu which is a japanese onomatopeia for soft
remind yourself on Perseverance' whereabouts:https://science.nasa.gov/mission/mars-2020-perseverance/location-map/
>>16135571>barely 10km covered in 4 yearspathetic
>>16135575That's what happens when you send a robot to do an astronaut's job
>>16135307I think it is hilarious that the government is so desperate to have a backup for SpaceX they are all but forcing Elon to give up the crown jewels to his competitorsI look forward to their reaction when NG just takes the money and keeps working on expensive expendable rockets
>>16135371musk just eats poop and shits and pees and gulps cum all day fucking long and it kills me because i could literally do a better job
>>16135442honestly excited
>>16135473J class are so beautiful man
>>16134824>almost all of it on the underplate in a corner weld
>>16135471>Falcon 9 cannot work, the SpaceX employees are all clueless amateurs who never designed a rocket>ok, Falcon 9 can get to orbit, but will not be able to land it>ok, Falcon 9 can land but they cannot reuse it>ok, Falcon 9 can land and they can reuse it, but they cannot get enough contracts to make it economical at scale>ok, Falcon 9 can get enough contracts, but they are mostly internal Starlink contracts>ok, Falcon 9 can get enough contracts from all sorts of customers, but some of them are government owned payloads, so SpaceX is running on corporate welfare and Falcon 9 was a sham>Also, Musk did not do anything, he just hired perfect experts who knew everything about designing rockets in the first place>Also, it was obvious this all can be done because it was done before (DC-X), NASA just chose not to do it this way and focus on better things>Starship cannot work, the SpaceX employees are all clueless amateurs who never designed a rocket>ok Starship can get to orbit, but it won't survive re-entry(we are here)>ok, Starship can survive re-entry, but will not land on launchpad>ok, Starship can land on launchpad, but it won't be economical to reuse>ok Starship can be reused economically, but it can't be used as a orbital fuel depot for HLS because of boil-off>ok Starship can be used as a depot for HLS but HLS won't be able to land on Moon because of high thrust/height>ok Starship HLS has landed on Moon, but Starship will never be able to aerobrake at Mars>ok Starship is able to aerobrake at Mars but there will never be a permanent base>ok, there's a tiny Mars base of 1000 people, but not a city of 1 million, so it was a total failure>Also, Musk did not do anything, he just hired perfect experts who knew everything about designing rockets in the first place>Also it was obvious this all can work because it was done before (STS), NASA just chose not to do it this way and focus on better things
>>16135628there's NOTHING, exceptional, or talented about Musk. The son of a billionaire, became a billionaire, SHOCKING, right? Meanwhile, Boeing, has been working on REAL, reusable lunch vehicles, with their, SMART, recovery.
>>16135709The EDS crowd on yotuube are inspiration that you can make it big with pretty much any level of talent or understanding so long as you catch a niche. There is still undersupply in the EDS theatre so perhaps I will make fake EDS content with even more deranged takes than any of them.
>>16135722Poe's Law applies. The idiots will think it's real and you'll only make yourself more frustrated at the unending depths of human stupidity that can't help but parade themselves in front of our eyes.
>>16135735You would still make money and perhaps you could start dropping in some stuff that is mostly unknown to the EDS crowd
This dinosaur is going to cost us: Dragonfly, Triton explorer, LUVOIR and other interesting exploration projects because he loves his SLS
https://twitter.com/fakecarlsagan/status/1780934146367406244The absolute state of tory bruno
>>16135371>actually, NASA designed the falcon9&dragon capsule, and they payed somebody else to build it. What is this guy smoking?
>>16135754>Common Sinsemilla Smoker
>>16135743lol
is space based solar possible? find out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-W6ozOMidI
>>16135754
>>16135797they haven't - yet
>>16135743refute this
>>16135803I kneel
>>16135803>refute thisit's obsolete
>>16135742It won't be just by his effort alone. Don't forget about Congress.
>tory is having a meltyoh no no no
>>16135808Nuh-uh. It's not obsolete. It's just on track to become obsolete in the near future.And from a procurement perspective, an inferior design isn't obsolete until there are at least two competing providers of the superior design (and whose designs are operational and proven). Ideally, more than two.
>>16135808As Thunderfoot said, the ONLY reason to have loads of small engines isntead of one big engine is that you dont have the expertise to build a big one.
>>16135816They looked into massive engines before (Sea Dragon) and deemed it too unreliable ie. it might work but has a good chance of blowing up every now and then
>>16135816There's no need to develop the expertise to build a few big engines, if it's cheaper to develop the expertise to build reliable plumbing for 33 small engines, and cheaper to produce more units of a single type of engine rather than fewer units of two types of engines
>>16135818>a good chance of blowing up every now and thenwe have been cruelly denied kino
the only complaint i have about raptor is it doesn't need to be that complex (FFSC) because of the relatively short burn time ie. like S-IC; yes the specific impulse is better but they could've just gone with a standard staged combustion and simplified it a lot
>>16135827*relatively short burn time of the Super Heavy because it stages fairly slow and low (same principle as F9) to allow for reuse
>>16135827Doesn't FFSC help with reusability?Doesn't it put less strain on the turbopump(s) for the same performance, and alleviates the issue of interpropellant seals?
>>16135818Would that be as much of a problem today? They didn't have the same simulation capabilities back in the 1960s
>>16135827Yes but counterpoint: by slaving away and making the best rocket engine ever made (which evidently is only going to get even better) they end up mogging others in both thrust AND efficiency—not to mention the cost is lower than any other rocket engine of similar caliber save for maybe BE-4 (I only say that because Blue Origin provides a small engine price, but they could be fudging numbers)
>>16135722It's likely a venture worth attempting. EDS content is definitely a growth market.
>>16135816This is 10/10 bait or you’re just retarded hahah>>16135831You only build giant, extremely unstable engines because you don’t know how to build better smaller engines. Literally useless in 2024 to build something like the F1
>>16135832It seems to me that engine price might be hard to compare fairly, because no manufacturer has the same economies of scale as SpaceX does
https://spacenews.com/astra-considered-bankruptcy-as-it-struggled-to-raise-cash/How are they still alive?
>>16135310>the two major theoretical possibilities were [a] antimatter and [b] primordial black holes.Antimatter is just an extreme version of preexisting energy storage methods. Fuels can already explode and be difficult to create. There's nothing strictly stopping us from using antimatter as fuel already. The only problem is being able to use it at great scales. I'd say figuring out a way to create antimatter more efficiently is much more plausible than figuring out a way to create a black hole.Though I will admit, having black hole production lines and shipping them around to be used up does sound cool as hell.
https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-proposes-reverse-stock-split/And these guys aren't doing too well either
>>16135839Good, hopefully people have realised this piece of shit doesn't actually go to space.
>>16135857crab in a bucket.
>>16135857Kinda silly that it doesn’t, huh. Was there really no way they could squeeze that last little bit of propellant in there to get another 13km up? Would it be too big for the launcher aircraft at that point?
>>16135310How exactly do you control a black hole?It's an object a fraction the size of an atom that weighs more than a freighter ship and will eat anything it touches.
>>16135866Do magnets work? I'd use magnets.
>>16135836fairly? lol
>>16135833there might be growing demand after Starship actually starts working, people need their confirmation bias soothed over why its in fact shit believe me bro and not a revolution
>>16135816this is quite possibly the goofiest piece of bait I have ever heard in my life. Footfungus should get an award for this take.
>>16135370The drum is spun backwards to deposit the material. I wonder if they will dump it into an enclosed augger, as I don't think you want conveyors to move material. It will be interesting, maybe they will use a binder and extrude the material to consolidate and keep it together, then process it.
>>16135837scraped through selling the engines they got buy buying another company previously, but even that would be in better state if they didn't fuck with it (like half left/got fired of that department)chris kemp is probably quite charismatic, but very shit at executing or technically in general
>>16135885why wouldn't you want conveyors?
>>16135875As in, based purely on the technical nature of the engine design itself
>>16135888For the same reason they wouldn't use conventional buckets on the excavator. The movement that the conveyor imparts is going to result in a shower of dust. You want to keep the regolith enclosed and using rotation to impart momentum that keeps the material against the enclosing surface is a means to do that.
>>16135891I don't think you can separate them designing for mass manufacturability affects the performance and cost itselfcost is cost
>>16135897no, youre an idiot.
>>16135887Kemp was visibly tweaking around the office more than once and used to work at NASA so I think it's a mix of drugs and oldspace rotting his brain. I don't know what the fuck Adam London ever did. A big part of the delay for Rocket 4 is they licensed engine designs rather than just buying off the shelf parts so they tried to force march their engine manufacturing teams to advance about ten years in two, while cutting hardware engineers and almost their entire software department from launch ops to datalake to flight software down to the bone instead of ejecting all the email job foids. This worked about as well as you would expect.
>>16135898so we can't compare the cost of a mass manufactured car with some hand built supercar? of course we can, don't be ridiculous
>>16135914>>16135898to make this point clearerwhen you decide to choose a bigger vs smaller engine, one of the factors is how many engines you buildthe smaller engines will get greater economies of scale, so that will be a benefit in choosing them for instanceyou can't just look at this in vacuum
>>16135917Except for upper stage engines, those need to be looked at in a vacuum.
>>16135116That's right. We don't tolerate it. We encourage and propound it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zvMmjYksYM>LIVE at SpaceX Starbase Texas watching Vertical Cryo Tank Removal and Demolitiontank stream
>>16135816I hope he really said that
>>16135903dude in his estronaut interview my first impression was that the dude was either really high or forcing himself to be sober and having a bad time of it. glad its not just me
>>16135942Yeah we were all kept well away from estronaut so we couldn't tell him what we really thought.
>>16135939tankwatching? in my 2024? it's more likely than you think
>>16135865It's going to the cucked US definition of space so I guess they figured that was easier than trying to get higher.>>16135861It's Virgin "Galactic" retard, if anything they're reversing progress in space exploration by making people think they're astronauts.
>>16135837because these are the investorshttps://twitter.com/Austen/status/1767762691022815329
Is China preparing a SAR megaconstellation?Ku band, 230kg, stackable flat panel>Taijing 4-03 satellite is a high-resolution flat-panel SAR imaging satellite developed by Micro-Nano Starry Sky. It is my country's first commercial Ku-band phased array radar imaging satellite. The satellite weighs 230 kilograms, has a resolution of sub-meter level, and has multiple imaging modes such as bunching, striping, and scanning. The observation width in sliding mode can reach more than 10km. In addition, Micro-Nano Star Sky has designed and implemented a flat-panel satellite configuration for the first time. This configuration mode can realize multi-satellite stack launch, laying the foundation for large-scale satellite network launch, and its commercial technology level is at the leading level in the world. The satellite adopts an on-board intelligent processing system that can quickly generate images in orbit. For the field of ocean monitoring, it can quickly detect and identify sea and airport targets.https://weibo.com/5658451754/OarFpun8QWhat is the global SAR situation today? How would Taijing 4 compare?
>>16136001
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/nasa-may-alter-artemis-iii-to-have-starship-and-orion-dock-in-low-earth-orbit/>Multiple sources have confirmed that NASA is studying alternatives to the planned Artemis III landing of two astronauts on the Moon, nominally scheduled for September 2026, due to concerns about hardware readiness and mission complexity.>Under one of the options, astronauts would launch into low-Earth orbit inside an Orion spacecraft and rendezvous there with a Starship vehicle, separately launched by SpaceX. During this mission, similar to Apollo 9, a precursor to the Apollo 11 lunar landing, the crew would validate the ability of Orion and Starship to dock and test habitability inside Starship. The crew would then return to Earth. In another option NASA is considering, a crew would launch in Orion and fly to a small space station near the Moon, the Lunar Gateway, and then return to Earth.bros...
TL-3 first stage tank delivered to Space Pioneer's final assembly facility in Zhangjiagang. They're supposed to launch in July; how realistic is this?https://weibo.com/5658451754/OaqHxdoN7
Landspace has now installed friction stir welding equipment in their factory, which will allow them to build propellant tanks on their own. I assume this means their propellant tanks have thus far been manufactured by CASCAlso, the ZQ-2 is being changed to incorporate common bulkheadshttps://weibo.com/5658451754/Oas3hhHLE
>>16136004could orion launch to LEO on vulcan?
>>16136004Why not? If critical components aren't ready, they might as well fly a partial mission. They're not saving much money by having the SLS and Orion people waiting around with nothing to do
>>16136004LMAOLMFUCKINGAOIMAGINE using SLS for this, forcing the lunar landing to 2+ years away instead of finding a way to launch Orion seperately like on Superheavy autonomously, god fucking damn
>>16136004Artemis IV will be dock to Gateway, HLS dock to Gateway and first lunar landing, and return to Gateway, I knew it
So Artemis III might not even go to the Moon at all lmfao
>>16136015>IMAGINE using SLS for this, forcing the lunar landing to 2+ years awayWhat if it was going to happen 2+ years away anyway?
>>16136004lmao, an SLS launch just for Orion to dock with StarshipPolaris is already doing that with Dragon and the launches cost like 200mil on those instead of 4bil or whatever the fuck SLS + Orion launches cost
>Now that production of the Delta rockets has ceased, it is not clear whether more of these interim stages could be produced—at least not at a reasonable cost.at a more reasonable cost than the EUS, sure. if you're really worried that you can't make another IUS before 2028 then the right thing to do would be to cancel artemis 2, since that's a publicity stunt mission that doesn't advance us toward a landing in any meaningful way.
>>16136004Changing the mission this late in the game doesnt speed up timelines or reduce complexity
>>16136012Surprisingly no, but I know one that could...
>>16136004>The Starship-Orion mission has another benefit that sets it apart from a Lunar Gateway mission: It can be done without a powerful upper stage on the SLS rocket. For its first three Artemis missions, NASA is using an "interim" upper stage for the Space Launch System rocket based on the Delta rocket and manufactured by United Launch Alliance. Now that production of the Delta rockets has ceased, it is not clear whether more of these interim stages could be produced—at least not at a reasonable cost.So this alternate Artemis 3 would use an SLS without an upper stage since it is only going to LEO and the 2 remaining ICPS are needed for Artemis 2 and the first landing.
Fuck it, remake Ares I. Just hire ESA to produce Ariane 6 cores to put on top of a shuttle SRB. Liberty rocket Mk 2
>>16136025>>16136015Give NASA time, they are slowly converging on the Starship-only architecture
>>16136028Falcon Heavy cannot lift more total mass than a Falcon 9 due to the structural limits of the second stage.Rather than making Falcon 9 a super heavy lift rocket Falcon Heavy makes it a 'high energy' heavy lift rocket, which is why you don't see it used very often.
CREW RATE VULCAN
>>16136004naw fuck that, launch orion to the moon. we didnt spend $5 billion for them to not do it. either give us the billions back or do the fucking mission.
>>16136028bridenstack almost got Jim fired
>>16136001>>What is the global SAR situation today?starshield supposedly has SAR with machine learning, along with other things on it
>>16136037it doesnt even have functioning life support yet
>>16136028>>16136036for a LEO mission you could underfuel the service module. my napkin math says it could still have 500 m/s for orbital maneuvering and come in at 19.5 tons. vulcan could handle that even with the escape tower.
>>16136051Lets do it
>>16136057elon has EDS. everyone knows ISP is a meme.
>>16136060on first stage motors yes. not so on RVACs
>>16136060it's a meme, which is why they arent focused on it. thrust is the only thing that matters
>>16136057fucking overoptimization autistism this is why Artemis III is delayed
>>16136069did you read the berger article? artemis 2 is delayed because orion cant bring astronauts back alive
jewess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB7rLGecC0
>>16136065in thrust we thrust
>>16136074it can, nasa's just throwing a fit because they weren't as good at computer modeling as they thought. heat shield erosion was well within acceptable ranges.
>>16136080the temperatures inside orion [artemis 1] are enough to cook any astronaut. it also flew without life support so it literally couldnt keep astronauts alive if it wanted to
>>16136080>nasa's just throwing a fit because they weren't as good at computer modeling as they thought. heat shield erosion was well within acceptable ranges.My thoughts exactly, they're letting their perfectionist autism get in the way of good enough, Apollo never had this problem because they didn't have that kind of modeling back thenSeriously more needs to be said about this model autism, rn in F1 Mercedes are struggling to match real world performance with their precious models too
>>16136084>the temperatures inside orion [artemis 1] are enough to cook any astronautWrong I can't recall the exact temp they gave but it was not that hot, plus their IVA suits have cooling anyways to handle it
Berger's Falcon 9 book is gonna be unbelievably boring
Yeah we are going back to the moon finally!!>Blocks your path
>>16136032Why not launch the astronauts up in Starliner? And dock with Starship in orbit. Transfer crew, and head to the Moon?
Burger's Falcon 9 book is gonna be unbelievably tasty
>>16136084>the temperatures inside orion [artemis 1] are enough to cook any astronautNo anon, thats starship
>>16135722>>1613570950% of the American pop has below 98 IQ. I'd reckon 30% of that 50% (15%) are below 85 as well. Thats 50 million people in US alone.If we consider the world wide avg of ~90, and a good 20-30% are likely below 80 IQ. With 8.1 billion, 30% of that is 2.4 billion people with addressable market.
>>16136102Starship isnt going to Earth though
>>16136094It has stage fright
>>16136094She looks embarrassed...but cute!
>>16136094can't wait for boing! to claim that this is going to take 5 years and $8 billion to pull off
>>16136113I'll let you know
>>16136113Wouldn't be surprised if its just as delayed
>>16136113huh just like mars sample return spacex-edition. guess wat your savior is boring 2.0
giveStarshipwings
>the temperature of space is 1000 degrees>the only reason you freeze is because there's no atmospherewtf
https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/mike-griffin-real-and-acceptable-reasons-for-spaceflight>Casey Drier and Mike Griffin on Space Policy Edition>Discuss Real and Acceptable Reasons for Space Exploration
>>16136105Why does it have a heat shield tho?
>>16136136I'll tell you: little retard named Elmo
Didnt we already pay locksneed to build to msr rocket? what happens to that
>>16136085They're more intrigued that their models are wrong than the fact their models are wrongIf I had to guess, the composition of the atmosphere has changed since they modeled the erosion, but more likely is that someone fucked up on floating point precision on the CFD simulation
>>16136147We'll get a cute little SRB they can use as a cubesat kick stage for interplanetary sat swarms
>>16136147they dont need to if they dont want to. thanks for the money though.
>>16136057How can it be harder to hone T/W if the "same" engine is improved with greater thrust? Is the engine being made more than 70% heavier to achieve 70% more thrust, or what?
>>16136155it's not the same engine. increasing engine thrust lately has involved adding mass to the engine. cant say much more
>>16136155they open the throat to acheive a greater flow rate so the expansion ratio is lower and the isp goes down
>>16136150Yeah thats the sense I got, they're willing to delay Artemis II just to perfectly align their models, its frustrating
why does hubble orbit nice and snug close to earth whilst jwst has a massively elongated and eccentric orbit like kepler?i always worry shit gets lost when it orbits that far awayis it because it needs minimal disturbance for it to use the infrared equipment properly?
>>16136161>literally called Ur AnusGod was really having a fun night when he cooked that up
>>16136159Does that make the engine heavier?
>>16136121Why is Mike Griffin poking out his snake head so much lately? He was a terrible NASA administrator
>>16136162I thought it was Johann Elert Bode who cooked that one up
https://twitter.com/i/trending/1781374165377019962Artemis 3 might be limiting the scope to just in orbit LEO docking
>>16136060speaking of ISP and memes I made on of those ancient dnd alignment charts of different propellants (aka fuels)anyone know what should go in the empty spaces? a "high" ISP is anything greater than 300s. mid density = about RP-1, 0.80. high density is more than that.
>>16136161JWST is in the L2 Sun-Earth Lagrange point, whatever visual this is from is not accurate
How do I get a gf who works on getting the next generation of Americans back to the moon?
>>16135798Falcon Heavy can deliver more to every orbit than delta 4 heavy in fully expendable mode and still be 1/3 the price. Tory is just being a bitch and trying to gaslight people into thinking ULA rockets can do things that nothing else can when it's objectively false.
Welding appointment has been made tomorrow 15:30 CET at her place. I have to admit I'm a bit autistic and not sure if she just wants to be just friends or something more.
>>16136173If it's propellant, you should change hydrogen and methane etc. to hydrolox, metholox...
>>16135797SALTY
>>16136192my mistake, might just change the title to "fuel" then because we all know hydrogen is usually hydrolox etc
>>16136147
>>16136190unironically "just be yourself"
>>16136173Probably not in the spirit of things if you're only considering chemical propellants but NSWR could be a good Lawful Evil candidate. Alternatively you could go with pentaborane or one of the fluorine mixes
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1781188584084582905
>>16136172That means Orion will be replaced with Crew Dragon
>>16136190
>>16136173flip the vertical axis. it makes no sense that denser things are eviler.also put fluorine/lithium/hydrogen triprop as lawful good
>>16136218Saves money on not needing expensive EUS, giving more time to test out heatshields for Orion, and more time for Starship to perfect landings, budget friendly, etc.Its a "win" move in terms of de-risking a lot of things
>>16136221denser = evil just because I think of toxic hydrazine and SRBs as the "evil" way of doing it vs the "good" hydrolox, methalox etc. just a personal preference. also light = angelic, heavy = devilish.
>>16136239Helium (cold gas thruster)?
>>16136001Probably closer to Starlink V1s. That said though, if China goes all in on flatpak designs. It's going to seriously change how satellites are made world wide.
>>16136221>>16136239I reckon a better measure of 'evil' is handling difficulty and toxicity.
>>16136201alright.
>>16136173You could put steam on chaotic good
>>16136239Hypergolic propellants are indeed evil concoctions.
>>16136255yeah but then kerolox and ethalox would move to the top row
>>16136173What would this alignment chart look like with the planets in our solar system?
>>16136247>>16136257>>16136261aaaand its finished. cold gas Helium does indeed have tiny density and laughable ISP. you could fit a couple in each box but Im limited to one each>>16136255it incidentally lines up with that, hydrazine being toxic, SRBs being difficult to handle/likely to blow up (Challenger)
>>16136266>low isp, high density: earth, mercury>high isp, low density: gas giants>high isp, medium density: icy moons
>>16136004They should go with option 1. It's vastly more useful politically and public sentiment wise to have orion dock with HLS in orbit and give the entire world a live stream of a crew of 7 people living in a spacious space penthouse with futuristic design and minimalist aesthetic with an onboard water and plant deck with huge windows looking out at the Earth below.What NASA and US aerospace thereby desperately needs is a big PR win that affirms why all the spending and man power has been worth it. You can then use option 1's wins to justify option 2. It's easier to convince the public to build a new space station around the moon if they all get a real view of the possibility of being able to afford a trip on a space hotel in their lifetime. It's infinitely harder to justify a new space station around the moon when you ask for $100Bn, talk 30 year timelines, and make the glamour and glory of space still a pipe dream for everyone but governments and the uber wealthy.You can still have orion and SLS Block B and Gateway and everything else, but only as long as make sure option 1 happens first. Because the added benefit of option 1 is that the HLS Starship remains parked in low earth orbit pretty much indefinitely and it can be used as a station which Axiom and Polaris and other commercial crew missions can dock onto and use the space as a hab for experiments and manufacturing testing and other missions.Can go as far as selling HLS in parking orbit in LEO as an Gateway precursor, where everything that would need to integrate with HLS can be tested in low earth orbit. Then the cost of putting up parts and validating integration, fuel transfers, power transfer and system upgrades, all can happen more rapidly and at 1/10th the cost for 2x the return on science and useful manufacturing data--ensuring Gateway to the Moon is the best version of the system it can be.
>>16136266Well if we use the sounds from this video as a basis then I am immediately putting Saturn in Chaotic Evilhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQL53eQ0cNA
>>16136266saturn in LE, jupiter in... something Good.>>16136257keek
>>16136266you gotta pick what the axes represent.>lawful-chaos: slow-fast orbit? radiation/atmosphere? dV to reach from Earth?>good-evil: size? good is terrestrial or smaller, evil is gas giants. or more habitability = good so Earth Mars and Moon are the good. neutral is semi-colonisable like Venus, MercuryLawful good: EarthNeutal good: Mars (some radiation)Chaotic good: Moon (high radiation)Lawful neutral: Venus (no radiation but uninhabitable)True neutral: Pluto Chaotic neutral: Mercury (no atmosphere, blasted by solar wind)Lawful evil: Uranus/Neptune Neutral evil: SaturnChaotic evil: Jupiter (radiation will fuck you up, even on the moons)
been a while since the last F9 launch. is spacex ok?
>>16136163isp decreasing and getting heavier have the same effect on payload. I think isp and weight both get worse with higher thrust, assuming they have to buff the parts to handle the increased flow rate.
>>16135005more?
>>16136295all of the boosters got shot by a ula sniper
>>16136275Artemis 3 being a moon landing was always a ridiculous goal, an Apollo 8 style missiona round the earth is an obvious good and like you said it gets the ball rolling publically and politically. At the very least if HLS/Orion orbits the earth for several days then some normies will become aware of it through EDS news
>>16136103mars astronaut selection process is the eugenics we needmartian master race
>>16136306It would be self selecting, similar to how America was colonized of the past. America is the distilled spirit of exploration and risk taking. Where individuals took the plunge into the darkness, not know what awaits 5-6 months away from now and into the land of the unknown/unforgiving/etc.Mars will be distilled version of America.
>>16136261How evil though? Like what would happen if I ran up and took a big sniff of some of the fumes coming from the x37b?
>>16136320doesn't x37b use kerosene/htp? you'd probably be fine
mass simulators are fakethey actually have massthey're not simulating it
>>16136119[nigger clap] no [nigger clap]
>>16136295>no launches in almost 24 hours its over for muskrats and starcels
>>16136333very nice
>>16136183bride kidnapping
>>16135491someday soon you will understand
>>16134642By the time they get starship to work, it'll be a place plane. Cap this.
>>16136333this is why true chads call them boilerplates
>>16136333mass simulator that works by accelerating upwards very quickly
>>16136025Can't launch and dock with Starship unless Starship can make orbit. With a totally empty rocket and all engines working, for once, it still was short of making orbital velocity.
Daily reminder...
>>16136367Not sure if bait disguised as screeching or screeching disguised as bait.
>>16136368how about you smoke my cock like a cigarette and cum?
>>16136367It's a bad lander when half of the lander is taken up by legs.
>>16135696yeah, that toohe's got good control of the weld he's just doing it fucking wrong
>>16136367I think the one with 1000 times more payload is better
>>16136367
>>16136381KEK
>>16136381It's loss
>>16136381Didn't the leg break?
>>16136378>1000 times more payload just to carry a nig and a slutId rather the small one
>>16136385I think this was made before we knew that, when they thought it just came down too sideways maybe onto a rock
god bless NASAhttps://www.nasa.gov/smallsat-institute/sst-soa/in-space_propulsion/
>>16136386>a nig and a sluthey now, thats not a very nice way to refer to your parents
>>16135827ISP and mass fraction are important for the boostback burn, actuallyboostback really cranks up the benefits to aiming high on engine performance
>>16135829yes. FFSC has only marginal benefits over ORSC for performance so it's basically never worth the trouble for an expendable engine.
>>16135919unless of course you're talking about Raptor again
>>16136080>>16136084have you considered that the reason the temperatures were high was because the life support wasn't on?
>>16136432GUY.. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOL...
>>16136333True. They should be called "useful payload simulators"
>>16136454I completely made the temperature part up but fuck Orion anyway, fat piece of shit
>>16136120space has like five different "temperatures" my dude, and the 1000 degrees one is literally useless>>16136239hydrolox should be lawful evil, HTPB should be chaotic goodrotate the diagram
>>16135827retard>>16135829yes. with ffsc the temperature inside the turbine is lower which is the least reusable part of the engine.
>>16136340soon>>16136455shut the fuck up retard and do the math or go awaysomebody post the schizo filter
>>16136464the only problem with Orion is that the faggot Euroids refuse to make the service module bigger
>>16136275>What NASA and US aerospace thereby desperately needs is a big PR winNot if Chudlon gets a slice of that PR win. You're forgetting that political angle. It's better to postpone any PR win for Musk to as late as possible
>>16136475what i still dont get is why elon roman saluted each driver during the handoff event of cybretruck.. awks. :/
>>16136004China will get their first
>>16136493Yes china will get theirs first. Only then can we as a species progress to the stars.
>>16136497If we're relying on SLS, it's certainly possible. It could be faster just to have a program that flies crew from LEO to the lunar surface and back on HLS and use Dragon for the first and last leg of crew transport.
The Chinese military is undergoing a major reorganization. The PLA Strategic Support Force, which, among other things, was responsible for space, is being dissolved. Military aerospace will now become a whole force by itself.There will be 4 军 and 4 部队* Ground 军* Aerial 军* Naval 军* Rocket 军* Military aerospace 部队 <----* Cyberspace 部队* Information support 部队* Joint logistics 部队http://www.mod.gov.cn/gfbw/xwfyr/ztjzh/16302059.html
>>16135473This is genuinely incredible. I don't know how it happened, but we lost our knowledge of aesthetics somewhere along the way.
你滿嘴都是屎
>>16136527Care to elaborate?
>>16136469not space flight related. shill.
>>16136521>No! China isn't preparing for an invasion of Taiw-
>>16136449(the joke is that Astra's second stage engine failed because they literally didn't test it in a vacuum chamber and so they didn't anticipate a fuel leak)
>>16136521>Military aerospace will now become a whole force by itself.Chinese Space Force?
>>16136533It's more like anything America does they feel compelled to copy. We reorganized and created the Space Force, so they had to do it too. It's almost instinctual.
>>16136521>Military aerospace 部队>部队 means "force"space force. they're literally just copying what Drumpf did in 2021>>16136533>-anreorganizations happen literally every 10 or so years. they were due.
>>16136537Trump was right about everything.
>>16136537>>161365361989 June 4th Tiananmen Square protests and massacre
充滿了狗屎
>>16136541hey look, a schizo
>>16136541January 6Waco9/11 inside jobweather underground
>>16136544July 1969NixonTelephone callWho was phone
>>16136544My guy, I'm not sure why you think any of us aren't on a list by this point.
>>16136548I'm a chinese
這傢伙滿口胡言亂語 我知道他有麻煩了
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1781418068104933711Rocket Lab really needs to get a move on with their engine program
>>16136536They're not entirely following America here. China created the "Strategic Support Force" as a separate branch already back in 2015. It was supposed to handle space, cyberspace and intelligence. I think it was a bit similar to the US Space Force, NRO, NSA and military intelligence rolled into one. I think it was thought that there was a lot of synergy, and it kinda makes sense. However they have apparently now decided that the Strategic Support Force will be broken up into three components.China's Aerospace Force still isn't a perfect analogue to the US Space Force. China doesn't distinguish between a Space Force and Space Command. China only has combatant commands for the 军. At least I think that's the case.It's probably because space is about to become such a big thing, that it's now considered to deserve its own distinct branch.
>>16136559lmao im a retard
>>16136537Both 军 and 部队 can be translated as "force", "service", "service branch", etc. The official English translation is a bit weird, hence why I used the Chinese characters. 军事 also means related to military matters in general.The official translation of 军 is "Service" and the official translation of 部队 is "Arm". However, the official translation of 空军 is Air Force, and the official translation of 军事航天部队 is Aerospace Force.
China not welcome here, git out
>>16136554I think rocket lab is kind of fucked on the launch side, maybe their satellite bus business will stay alive though
>>16136564tick tock Peter Beck.
>>16136563it's good to keep an eye on them
>>16136521aerospace force doesnt sound like a space force at all. they probably handle alot of satellites, but do they handle space launches? anti satellite weapons? why is aero included in with space? do they do high altitude stuff too like the spy balloons?
>>16136554Is Rocket Lab falling into the same pit that Blue Origin spent years in?
>>16136544I'm a big fan of Ruby Ridge personallycan we all pour one out for Bryan Malinowski as well?
>>16136569for example, russia's aerospace forces include ballistic missile defense alongside their military space unitshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Aerospace_Forces
>>16136569you need to understand that the Chinese air force isn't functional like the USAF
>>16136535Sounds more like Air Force that also does space. They don't even have a separate air force so far, or a separate navy. It's all part of the army
>>16136569Most of China's spaceports - Xichang, Taiyuan, Wenchang and Jiuquan - are run by the PLASSF, so the new Aerospace Force will likely take over that responsibility.> why is aero included in with space?"Aerospace" is a common translation of 航天, however it really means spaceflight, as far as I know. 航空 is aviation.
Reminder about the chinese guy who was posting about the liquid electric pump fed engine he made and hotfired and then suddenly died while he was working on a GG cycle one
>>16136564I've always said that the small launch companies that will come the closest to prospering are the ones with a very effective side gig. Rocket Lab is probably the best positioned out of all of them. >>16136570Building bigger engines, especially staged combustion designs, is hard. It doesn't have to be a painful, decade long process, but you have to take it seriously and budget your resources accordingly.
>>16136594we had a couple of people making engines in 2018 and they all died lol
>>16136581They most certainly have a separate air force and navy that is distinct from the army>>16136521Your confusion might stem from over-interpreting the translation "People's Liberation Army". It could just as well have been translated as "People's Liberation Military", however for historical reasons People's Liberation Army is the official translation. Historically, the PLA only had a ground component, so it didn't make any difference. However, nowadays, because the US and UK use the word "Army" to mean ground forces exclusively, that causes a lot of confusion.All of these eight forces are part of the People's Liberation Army
>>16136599Things like "People's Liberation Army Air Force" or "People's Liberation Army Navy" always felt like retarded translation errors made by someone who was being a bit too literal.
>>16136599>>16136601Strictly speaking, the word army is not exclusive to ground forces. The word "army" comes from French "armée", which in turn comes from Latin "armata", which means an armed force. Ironically, the word "army" has the same etymological origin as the word "armada".France's Air and Space Force is called Armée de l'air et de l'espace in FrenchI believe the word "army" has come to refer exclusively to ground forces in English as other forces grew out of the ground force and became distinct enough to deserve their own name
>>16136601the united states had an army air force before 1947
>>16136601It's not even being literal. It's about adding accidental meaning during translation that didn't exist in the original word. In the Chinese name 人民解放军, the 军 refers to military in general, with no "ground" connotation. Ground force is 陆军, navy is 海军, air force is 空军.
Public service announcementI must inform you, the china quota of this week has been reached, please wait for next week for further china discussion.
we're on page six and someone is already staging. what should we do about this?
>>16136635join the new thread
>>16136635Slay him
>>16136635brilliant pebbles the new thread
I heckin love rockets
what the heck is prilliant bebbles?
>>16136646bibble bebbles
>>16136649is that like some kind of meme elon is into?
>>16136663No it's fanfiction about the real purpose of Starlink
>arguing about the meaning of Chinese words... in English攻击力max的一句话,翻译成中文就是“cnm臭不要脸混账司马死全家丑玻璃gay佬”如果说fuck u杀伤力100,那fagggot对homo杀伤力起码10000,对直男杀伤力100000000000。只要被骂这句话,不打不是人。
>>16136668We should argue about their meaning in Danish. That way we can have a truly inclusive discussion in which everyone can take part.
>>16136666Implessive digitsUnfortunately, the only way we can know for sure that starlink isn't a bp system is for somebody to launch a nuke at muttland or israel.
>>16136635report him
>>16136684
>>16136681oh no.... not a nuke launched at israel.... that would be... awful...
>>16136239how about rocket candy for chaotic good?
>>16136706>rocky candymakes me think of this desu
>>16136534>Astra's second stage engine failed because they literally didn't test it in a vacuum chamberplease tell me this isn't real
>>16136712[sad rocket noises]
>>16136004>Artemis I and II are not enough, we need a third make work landing to test our readiness to be prepared to lay the groundwork for our preparations for early testing of future emergent capabilities
lego
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aon-zMOzNlY>Launch Site Repairs ahead of Flight 4! Starbase Flyover Update 39
>>161367231:160 instead of 1:110 like the Saturn V though. Bummer.
how realistic is this?
>>16136521what the fuck is with the chinese and branch autism. it was bad enough to separate logistics into a "support services" branch but now it's completely parceled out into its own discrete branch? fucking retards. it really is not a serious force for force projection.
>>16136534how do engines actually get tested in vaccum without going to space? surely you would fill the room with exhaust very quickly?
What have I missed the last 2 days? Or nothing ever happens
>>16136733I'm not sure how many children (and adults apparently) seethe at their toys being at slightly different scales. I certainly despised this as a kid.
>>16136740it wouldn't be if Artemis wasn't married to SLS. I'm not even convinced gateway will happen.it's not surprising that they're shuffling around Artemis. the last time I saw the mission architecture 4 was literally a nothingburger mission. It all required gateway which STILL DOESNT EXIST and requires the fucking UAE to deliver an airlock on time. and the suits aren't ready. oh and they need a new mobile launch tower. oh and SLS is expensive and too slow to build. oh and they need a new version of sls. oh and apparently Orion doesn't work properly. and they've only just started contracts for a rover absolutely fucked program, but the only way out is through. inshallah it'll end up killing SLS via budget
>>16136747Artemis II is now Artemis I 2 and Artemis III is now Artemis II and Artemis IIII will be Artemis III
>>16136742There's a trick to ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hrLyzpTV7GU&t=248I'm pretty sure this is a Castor 30 getting put through its paces in one of those set ups
>>16136740pretty likely. gateway will have a most of its modules by that point. china and russia will be working on their lunar base. dont know about the third one
>>16136069Yeah I'm sure it has absolutely nothing with FAA sitting on their hands or anything of the sort.
>>16136752>oh and they need a new mobile launch towerthey need a new mobile launch tower so they can fit the bigger second stage that adds the extra capacity that they don't really have a use for
>>16136268Anything fluorine is more classic chaotic neutral in the sense of exploding and setting fire to everything including the asbestos just for the fuck of it.
>>16136768oh no the use is that it will be launching gateway. the thing they need to carry out any of the landings.money please!
>>16136004wait a second, I just realised something >astronauts would launch into low-Earth orbit inside an Orion spacecraft and rendezvous there with a Starship vehicle, separately launched by SpaceX. >the crew would validate the ability of Orion and Starship to dock and test habitability inside Starship. all the previous mission architectures required that Orion dock with gateway, hls dock with gateway, and then the astronauts use gateway to transfer between vehicles both before landing and after ascent. is this the first mention of this change? this could mean an Artemis which does not require gateway - which only makes gateway more of a massive pointless money sink
>>16136771Those remaining Gateway parts could be easily launched by Falcon Heavy or Vulcan. New Glenn could probably launch both of them at once. And after that's done there's no more need for EUS stages. Artemis could just keep running on standard Block 1 SLS/ICPS until congress finally runs out of interest.
>>16136779Gateway only makes sense if it's permanently manned, which only Starship is cheap enough to do.
>>16136790gateway is an insanely small cuckbox, why would you put people in there permanently
>>16136790You appear to have no idea what the purpose of Gateway is, especially in the greater Moon to Mars purpose of Artemis.
>>16136792It's about 25% bigger than Salyut-1. You'd stuff people in there for extended periods of time because that's a vital part of training for doing the same thing to them when you send them to Mars. After all, NASA's more serious Mars programs all have transports that are just an Orion docked to a Cygnus-based habitat module.
>>16136790gateway only makes sense if the countries that throw a piece of hardware onto it actually have the power to bully congress for money
>>16136800they do. why do you think foreign aid exists?
>>16136801>why do you think foreign aid exists
>>16136233I'm not mad about it at all. I'd rather see human space flight go somewhere other than iss than wait for delay after delay on a lunar mission which could get canceled entirely if some retards in Congress decide to make it a pawn in the culture war. This is good is a good, pragmatic move.
whens the next starship test?
>>16136810two weeks
>>16136813^
Astronomers just took this image of Titan. This is a real image
>>16136858>justNovember 2022
>>16136554The fact that Terran R, a better rocket on paper by a company that's never reached orbit, is making better progress than Neutron is inexcusable.
>>16136864yeah but if terran r gets hit by a sledgehammer during launch it's FUCKED
>>16136858cosmic blink of the eye
>>16136866I think that's a risk they're willing to take, lel
>>16136858>This is a real imagesure it is
>>16136858Astronomers need to lie to the public to get funding. Why else would they pick that color palette? Fun fact, all that dark blue and green is rocks. The methane "lakes" (puddles) are not visible in this image
>>16136899its in infrared. so obviously its not going to be true colour.
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>>16136900Obvious to no one but nerds and slithering astronomers. The false colors are chosen diliberately to deceive. Notice zero disclaimers on the image itself.
>>16136899it's all false color. even your phone or dslr.titan still looks pretty cool in a more accurate color palette
>>16136899>Why else would they pick that color palette?they are mocking us
>>16136904>>16136908Kind of a salty-ass bitch about it ain'tcha
>>16136903fuck off. only a literal retard would think any image from JWST is in "true colour"
titan is the best moon but only if you're hulder-pilled and not some hazercel
>>16136921>fuck off. only a literal retard would think any image from JWST is in "true colour"there are a lot of people out there who think space looks like color enhanced science photos
>>16136858I can see the space oceans and space continents
>>16136858Wow so Titan looks exactly like Earth? Why aren't we funding this??? Literally trees growing there according to NASA pictures
This is what we'll do
>>16136952>>16136952>>16136952>>16136952>>16136952The new /sfg/ has arrived
For every /sfg/ on the catalog, Elon adds two more weeks.
>>16136019nice teeth on that rocket
>>16136381There's no bad landers, just bad software.
>>16137160Your software can be the best in the world but it will still land on it's head if it gets the wrong information from it's sensors
>>16137174There's no bad landers, just bad hardware and software?
>>16137079HULLO
I'm not staging.