Was he a bad guy?
>>22574869He won, so it doesn't matter.
>>22574869the heroes shot at own prisoners and defenseless civilians it was this kind of show
>>22574869it wasn't about bad guys or good guys, imbecile. rustal represents the aristocratic system and how ironically it is the most ideal to rule. ibo has a platonic ending for everyone. it's pretty much the opposite of sneed
>>22574869Rustal is unironically a hero after Orga turned out to be yet another spacenoid despot with his kangz of mars nonsense
>>22574869The whole show was bad, so yeah. You're trans btw.
>>22574869Yeah, he was.
>>22574869Do you consider Schneizel a bad guy?
He deliberately stoked rebellions he'd then supply with dummy guns so he'd have an excuse to "rightfully" slaughter some colony people to keep their numbers down and pay the survivors less. He started a bloody civil war on Earth with his false flagging spy in order to make a political rival look bad. Yeah he's a bad guy. He basically shows that unless you are Gjallarhorn elite, Martian Earther or Gjallarhorn grunt he considered you expendable and can and will sacrifice you for what he believes to be the greater good.>>22575215>rustal represents the aristocratic system and how ironically it is the most ideal to rule.Only if you are one of the aristocrats. Otherwise you are fair game to be killed off as they see fit.
He was a pragmatic opportunist. McGillis and Tekkadan were idealist opportunists.
>>22575330Which is fucking lame. Pragmatism sucks and is boring. I wish idealism would be worth a damn in this disappointing world of ours.
>>22575385Go be a utopian somewhere else then. Like Mars.
>>22575229Bejitabro too
>>22575253No he accelerated things that were already in motion to take control of them.
>>22575330Is it opportunism if you are deliberately workings towards the creation of an opportunity?
https://g-tekketsu.com/urdr-hunt/chara/They updated the website. Its still going boiz
>>22575625What the fuck is that creature?
>>22575643average /pol/ spammer
>>22575643read the filename
>>22575229Ibo is the only good gundam series
>>22574869Good guy all the way, space rays needed to be expunged.
>>22575884AGE tries to say the opposite.
>>22574869He gets maximum Chad points for>orga: r-rustal Sama spare my comrades in arms I kneel!>rustal: Nah I'm gonna kill everyone lolWhy did Orga ever believe they could just backout after McGillis' foolproof plan of stealing the declaration of independence and wanting to be crowned for it
>>22575226Both wanted to rule over Mars for their own selfish desires
>>22576659Rustal gave Mars its independence.If Orga won he would've ruined Mars into his personal kangdom and PD into Late UC with endless warlordism and spacenoid chimpouts.
>>22575625Were all of those characters appeared on the IBO G app or was there any new characters?
>>22576861They're all Urdr Hunt characters, not IBO-G. But no, there aren't any new characters yet. Remember, they probably only have another 5ish new characters and 3ish new robot designs anyway, considering what was left over with the game ending.
>>22576709Mars was basically independent of Gjallarhorn anyway. They had a tiny branch that didn't do anything but act as a corrupt hitman for the companies on Mars. The real powers that controlled Mars were the economic blocs back on earth and companies/mafia like GN Trading and Teiwaz, the latter seemingly being homegrown. Rustal didn't really give them independence so much as he washed his hands of Mars and the economic blocs basically had to divest from Mars in the wake of losing control. Like Nobliss's entire plan was to kill Kudelia and blame Earth to get that final push for Martians to rise up and kick out the vestiges of Earth influence. Things were already headed in that direction until Tekkadan interfered, but in the end the result was the same.
All elite political and authority types are badguys. No exception. And yes that is in the real world too.
>>22574869The guy who murdered innocents and protected the corrupt? Yes he's the bad guy. IBO's ending is narratively confusing in that it is the antagonist who is left standing, and... enacts some of the things the heroes were trying to achieve (Rustal's motivations for doing so are unclear. Is he doing it out of pity? Does he think his powerbase has been damaged so he is letting the reins loosen a bit out of pragmatism? Who knows). So it winds up feeling like the heroes died for nothing and the whole story was pointless.>>22575226Orga had the wellbeing of his homeland, the Martian people, at heart. Rustal did not. Orga's failing was that he forced McGillis to launch his rebellion early before they were fully prepared, which is why they lost. If McGillis had been allowed more time, he could have acquired more support and turned more of Gjallarhorn against Rustal, making their victory more likely. They were inches away from victory even when facing down the rods from the gods.
>>22577424They may be bad guys, but they're still winning. I'd rather side with winners than losers any day lol
>>22577472I'm sure your new masters will appreciate that after they get you licking their boots next. You think they're gonna share with some pleb?
>Has a coat capeThat tells you everything you need to know
>>22577480They will when they see how good I am at taking out their enemies like you.
>>22576576That's the whole problem, he didn't until it was far too late. He already realized he was getting conned by McGillis once the latter claimed Bael, but he also refused to cut his losses early because (1) he didn't want to backstab someone after forming an alliance despite how much he hated McGillis, and (2) he realized that he was far too deep in to back out now. Had he abandoned McGillis, then they would have been picked off separately and been just as dead as actually happened, just more slowly and differently. Rustal sure as shit wasn't going to grant them any more mercy if they hadn't fought in that fleet battle, so joining forces and trying to kill Rustal together was Tekkadan's best chance for survival. It's just that they were up against Rustal, who used all sorts of cheap and dirty tricks and they just let him do it instead of pulling their own tricks like in season 1.>>22576709I mean, it sure as shit wasn't out of the goodness of his heart. Hell, the entire post-coup reform that happened in the final episode was fully contrived just to give the anime a "happy ending."
>>22577530>It's just that they were up against Rustal, who used all sorts of cheap and dirty tricks and they just let him do it instead of pulling their own tricks like in season 1.The lesson is: don't go up against someone who controls the media. Even if it had occurred to McGillis - and even if he was willing to do so - to have an agent of his own the other side of the battlefield perform a false flag operation to defame the enemy, he probably would not have been able to propagate that narrative anywhere near as much as Rustal did in canon.
Were they the true heroes the entire time?
>>22577491size too large button up denim shirt, unbuttoned with the sleeves rolled up and a tshirt under is a REALLY great way to get that dynamic cape flow but not actually wearing a cape
>>22577530Does it matter if it wasn't out of the goodness of his heart? Results are what matters and a moron like Orga who got conned by an even bigger moron like Chocoman would've never been able to rule Mars properly.
>>22577530There was no reason for Rustal to go after Telladan if they hadn't joined McGillis. Rustal tries to control things he can and goes with the flow of society when he can't. The goal of exacerbating border conflicts between the economic blocs wasn't even to justify Gjallarhorn's existence, it was literally to make Gjallarhorn look worse because that region was under McGillis's jurdiction. Once the blocs start seeking independence after the end of part 1 and early part 2 Rustal is no longer trying to keep Gjallarhorn in its original seat of power, and he would even undermine it himself in order to remove a dangerous element, McGillis, who he knew had already tried to kill 2 7 stars heirs to seize and consolidate power. The reason why Tekkadan had to die was because they sided with McGillis when he started his uprising, specifically when he started his uprising because before that they were simply a PMC contracted by a legitimate branch of Gjallarhorn, otherwise they probably would've been left alone because they were the de facto military force of Arbrau. Not to mention there's no good way to justify using Dainsleifs on them unlike McGillis and the revolutionary fleets which were a Gjallarhorn splinter faction with hypothetical access to those sealed weapons. The reality is that nothing McGillis or Tekkadan mattered. Mars being independent was written on the walls after the end of part 1 so Tekkadan had no reason to side with McGillis.
>>22574869Having just rewatched IBO start to finish recently, he's not really any different from most of the cast in terms of good or evil (in that it's various shades of self-serving grey), but he's aware of his own evil and has grander goals.Orga is just blindly searching for some perfect utopia for Tekkadan while ignoring the MANY opportunities he has to give everyone there a peaceful life free of conflict after season 1 thanks to his new connections. Tekkadan itself just blindly follows Orga's orders without any sense of self, and McGillis is still that small child who wants to be King Arthur wielding Excalibur while disregarding anyone and anything that considers him a friend or ally.Rustal does evil villain shit like false flag attacks, war crimes, the whole nine yards, but all in a real attempt to eventually reform Gjallarhorn. It's hard to get a read on his reasons for wanting such since we don't get any backstory for him, but he did seem to care about his PMC friend and Julietta, even while using them as chess pieces at the same time. It's simple fact that everything he did after the finale was positive (dismantling the aristocracy and the old Gjallarhorn for a democratic system and ending the horrific child soldier systems). You can argue that even those are self-serving, but he seemed pretty lax about everything at the end.
Why did she do it?
>>22575625El goblino(white american version)
>>22578169This looks familiar.
>>22578166Aristocracy is only good for the few lucky bastards who happen to be born into the upper most class.
>>22575625Kakarot said that this will be a movie. Have they actually confirmed what the format of this will be?
>>22578166Gjallarhorn is just a peace keeping force, not a true government.
>>22578043The idealists on the winning side.
I'm still just baffled that muh Bael was an actual central plot pointwhat were they thinking?
>>22578449I'm baffled that it would've worked if Rustal hadn't said no.
>>22578043Literal child murderers.Just the lightest shade of grey.
>>22575625>>22575643He looks like the retarded brother of G-Witch's Sarius
>>22579090Gaelio was the one who started the whole thing and spent all of the first season having a massive murderboner for them because they were low class undesirables standing up against him. Ein's whole grudge against them was "You guys killed my mentor who went wanting to die in the first place because he knew we were in the wrong but fuck you all anyway because I liked him more than you and you should all have died for our convenience."I don't get why people seem to think Tekkadan were a bunch of psychos who just killed everyone they could for fun when most of the time they were the ones who were defending themselves against a bunch of elitist pricks who wanted to abuse them, or just outright exterminate them for being low class peons. Yeah they brutally executed the guys who enslaved and abused them for years (because they tried to use them as human shields to save their own asses and that was the last straw) but that's what you should do to people like that in the first place.
>>22575625dude is he from the boondocks
>>22579236If Tekkadan were the good guys they would have won. Gali won so he is the good guy and everyone else is bad.
>>22579247So, who do you consider the "good guy" of Code Geass?
>>22578065>The reality is that nothing McGillis or Tekkadan matteredThis is why I tend to not think of IBO in a positive light regardless of how much I did enjoy watching it weekly and such, I can't help but feel like it was a waste of time to get invested in.
>>22578504>retarded brotherYou mean the superior version with an actual fucking personality and memorability? The version who doesn't get fucked by his son and successfully runs his mafia empire because he's a boss?
>>22578449Bael is like the sword in the stone. Supposedly it chooses its wielder and would've given Mcgillis moral authority. Mcgillis also tried to organize 4? houses behind him which would've put him at majority control with the seven stars, but failed because Gaelio survived. Basically its intentionally dumb because Mcgillis can't get rid of his lost boy tendencies
>Super ultimate legendary Gundam>loses to a brain in a jar
>>22574869Yes
>>22579338>the Gundam... Isn't actually special!>The cute girl... Did, in fact, die!>His determination... Didn't tip the scales!>Their dreams... Did not come to be!>Will Iok die? No, he survived. Keep watching, he'll die for sure this time. Just kidding, he lives again. Are you frustrated?>Your expectations... Have been subverted!
>>22579347>>Will Iok die? No, he survived. Keep watching, he'll die for sure this time. Just kidding, he lives again. Are you frustrated?What? He dies shortly after he does the unforgiveable thing, working together with Jasley to kill the Turbines (and Lafter). After that Rustal puts him under house arrest for acting out of turn and he's basically written out of the show until he dies.
>>22575643Space jew
>>22579365There two to three scenes where he narrowly avoids death, including during the assault on the Turbines with a near-miss on his ship's bridge. He fucks up the plan during the fight against the mobile armor. He survives direct combat against Bael piloting a Graze. It's like a carrot they dangle in front of the audience right up to the last moments of the show and it perfectly highlights how unsubtle IBO's writing is.
Kimaris Vidar is cooler than Bael
>>22579293>Bael is like the sword in the stone. Supposedly it chooses its wielder and would've given Mcgillis moral authority.How was it even possible for the people, who had the thing stored in their own garage, to forget that you just need the allahu vishnu system/surgery to fire it up?
>>22579425It probably wasn't that they forgot, Gjallarhorn created a taboo so thorough against any sort of mechanization of the human body, including even bionic limbs and what not, that AV was completely out of the question for anyone in Gjallarhorn. The Graze Ein's profiles across the site, books, and gunpla state that Gjallarhorn actually kept researching AV and they had cutting edge research on it, the Graze Ein being one of the products of said research from before the start of the show, but they could never test anything because the taboo against mechanization of the human body was so profound that not a single soul volunteered to get the surgery, resulting in the research labs being put on ice until McGillis reopened them, at which point that research would be used to turn Ein into the nugget piloting the Graze Ein and then presumably producing the AV type-E, since in the show they say McGillis opened the door for it to be created.Basically, piloting Bael itself is kind of a sin because it requires AV, yet the one who pilots it is the symbol of Gjallarhorn itself. It's a paradoxical situation where you have to break Gjallarhorn's ultimate taboo to become the head of Gjallarhorn. We've seen other Seven Stars family Gundams are usable without the AV system, which means Bael is the only one that strictly requires it. Still, the other heads of the families managed to wiggle their way out of supporting McGillis even after he seized it, even if they had a good excuse.It is kind of strange that any sort of mechanization of humans is so taboo though, with AV seemingly being a casualty because it falls under the umbrella. Maybe the MAs were originally products of human mechanization.
>>22579090Okay; so more child killers than child murderers. Granted.
>>22579471The potency of a gundam + AV combination was probably the main concern. An out of control mobile armor is a big fucking problem, but a system that allows mobile suits to 1v1 an armor and come out on top is an even bigger problem just waiting to happen. So get rid of the adult videos after the armors are all dealt with and nip that potential problem in the bud.
>>22579498If you think about it most, if not all, Gundam shows have both.
>>22579377>It's like a carrot they dangle in front of the audience right up to the last moments of the show and it perfectly highlights how unsubtle IBO's writing is.That's why I checked out after S1, where a bunch of characters 'died' fighting Graze Ein, only to all be completely okay afterwards thanks to deceptive camera placement. Something about that really rubs me the wrong way.
He achieved the dream that Setsuna wishes he could do.
I do hope that Ride Mass gets far in his quest for revenge against those that wronged Tekkaden. I don't even care if he lives in the end I just want him to cause as much damage as possible to the setting. Have him build an organization that stretches from Jupiter to Earth built from people who hate Rustal, are still suffering under the systems that be, or just plain hungry for power. Let the "ends justify the means" consume them as they commit acts that would make their old foes feel squeamish. Fuck it have Ride commit genocide on a scale not seen since the calamity war. Awaken a mobile armor and lead it to a population center so Gjallerhorn has to expend every resource to stop it. They could even launch space colonies at Earth turning it into swiss cheese that way Gjallerhorn's base of power is completely disrupted, there are certainly people at the Dort Colonies that're pissed at what happened to them.Finally admist all that chaos the Gundam Bael should be stolen and then retrofitted with as many weapons as possible! The mistake of McGill is will not be repeated!!!
What happened to McGillis' loli wife?
>>22579933She got sent to an orphanage since Gali didn't want to ever deal with her shit again.
>>22579941>>22579933You basically find out that Gali is a shit brother.
>>22579959Gali was a good brother with a shit sister. She sided with McGillis after finding out he killed Gali.
>>22579471>It is kind of strange that any sort of mechanization of humans is so taboo though, with AV seemingly being a casualty because it falls under the umbrella. Maybe the MAs were originally products of human mechanization.According to the databooks, MA's were the result of a civilization that viewed automation as a status symbol. Basically, it showed how rich and powerful you were if you were to have a machine do the job for you. Eventually, this got applied to war itself. The AVS was a control system that was supposed to put humans on a level where they could compete with the machines by directly hooking their brains to the Gundam's computer. This measure was implimented seemingly after someone stole information from Gjallarhorn on the Nano-laminate armor and used it to strengthen the MAs. As a result, Gundam pilots were instructed to destroy their cockpits in the event they could not be retrieved, and after the war Gjallarhorn did not just make AVS taboo, they made it illegal. They tried to erase from the world, destroying all data on it but someone leaked part of the data which was used to create the inferior version Tekkadan has.I recall someone stating at a gunpla event they revealed that Agnika's father was not just the guy who built the Gundams but also the guy who built the MAs. The MAs supposedly went out of control, but we have some using Gjallarhorn tech to make them stronger and then the AVS being leaked after they lost. My personal opinion is the evidence is that the Calamity War was engineered by Agnika's father in accordance to the same ideals McGillis believed in. But Gjallarhorn found out about this and killed them both, this being the truth Rustal said would make McGillis reject Agnika.And this also means that Tekkadan were using illegal weapons since the first episode.
>>22578449It's part of IBO's bullshit of "we don't tell the audience the full story."Bael is, officially, the most powerful machine Gjallarhorn has. The reason why is because it's the only machine they left with an AVS cockpit installed in after the Calamity War, as they banned it's usage and tried to destroy all data on it. Using Bael, requiring redeveloping AVS, is supposed to be an emergency only solution, much like how they kept danslief locked up in case someone found and woke up a MA. The AVS would allow a MS to total a non-augmented fleet due to gifting it's user with superhuman reaction times and spatial awareness due to linking their brain to the machine's computer. AVS, especially if it's up to Calamity War spec, is supposed to be that power and was never intended to be used against human beings.Bael isn't just the sword in the stone, it's basically McGillis saying "I've got this unstoppable weapon, do as I say." However, he did not take into account other factions researching AVS themselves or the fact that Bael was notoriously under-equipped even during the Calamity War, only allowed to sortie because Agnika was supposedly that good.
>>22581073It's kinda like this with IBO. The director stated that one of the inspirations for the show was the Shinsengumi, who have been made out to be heroes by pop culture whereas historically they were seen as violent thugs who didn't really accomplish anything. They also mention that IBO is a mafia story inspired by the same events that also inspired the Battles without Honor and Humanity series, which went against the romanticized image of the yakuza pop culture had proliferated at the time, such as them being modern day samurai. Speaking of samurai, the evolution of Barbatos in s1 was meant to invoke a kid in a helmet being armed and taking on a samurai form, but once again the samurai are a case where pop culture has romanticized them and the code they supposedly followed. Said code was used to justify the atrocities committed by Imperial Japan, speaking of which the last quarter of the show does line up with the Japanese far-right narrative of WWII. People have even commented on how Tekkadan seems to invoke the story of the Tekketsu no kinotai, a horrific usage of child soldiers that Japan wants to sweep under the rug. The ending is also supposed to be Tekkadan being punished for their crimes according to the director and producer.When you look at all that, it's almost like IBO is meant to confront Japan with how they romanticize their own history that they're always making themselves out to be honorable or victims, in part because of the media which they consume much like McGillis and Kudelia being inspired by books they read as children. Even Kudelia is a fuckup, as her ending once again invokes how the yakuza gained so much influence in Japan after the war, she's in power only because the yakuza from Jupiter want her in power for their own gain.
>>22581061Any sources on this?My opinion is thus: It's clear the gundams are capable of acting independently on the level of a MA since Marchocias has a functional AI. So why create the Vagina system in the first place if all it really gives is downsides (risks of losing control of limbs, unnecessary surgery, slower or equal reaction speed to just AI normally)? Because that was the whole point. The Vagina system was developed to make sure that their new death robots couldn't betray them like the old ones, and the trade-offs in power were worth that. We do know that at some point, the calamity war was manufactured, but when and for how long are still up for debate.
>>22581088It's stuff you have to piece together from flavor text in the databooks. As for the downsides of AVS, I recall that the surgery was originally safe and that what McGillis had was a recreation of AVS during the Calamity War. The unsafe surgery was a result of what Tekkadan had being an imperfect version of it. Likewise, the safety we see is because the imperfect version can't handle the load like Calamity War AVS could. It takes three implants like Mika has in order to use a Gundam at it's normal running speed, but those three whiskers still aren't enough to do so safely. McGillis has more power AVS than Mika does, and the power of your AVS also indicates how much it augments your piloting skills.It seems to have gone like this. MAs go wild, Gjallahorn develops NLA and just begins killing them with lasers. Then the NLA is stolen, lasers don't work so they develop Gundams with AVS. That still wasn't enough, as most Gundams were lost or destroyed. In the end, they used the Gundams as bait and used danslief to snipe MAs from a safe distance.
>>22574869Only autistic manchildren hate him. He did at least one things right: put Tekkadan in their place.
>>22575226>Orga turned out to be yet another spacenoid despot I'd read your fanfiction. Orga's biggest mistake was doing dealings with a diddled delusional manchild who offered castles in the sky with nothing to back it up other than 'trust the plan'.
>>22576576>after McGillis' foolproof plan of stealing the declaration of independence and wanting to be crowned for itHey, it worked in Unicorn!
muh bael shitposting was so much fun
>the moral of the story is always double tap when you want to kill someone
Armor Ai stuff not playing a larger role feels pointless. Also, strange that McG didn't threaten the blue boy with killing his sister.
>>22581081>When you look at all that, it's almost like IBO is meant to confront Japan with how they romanticize their own history that they're always making themselves out to be honorable or victims, in part because of the media which they consume much like McGillis and Kudelia being inspired by books they read as children. Even Kudelia is a fuckup, as her ending once again invokes how the yakuza gained so much influence in Japan after the war, she's in power only because the yakuza from Jupiter want her in power for their own gain.That makes Tatsuyuki Nagai smarter than the production team of Witch from Mercury because whatever they were trying to use the anime to comment on was poorly executed.
>>22581609You have to be high IQ to understand IBO to be fair
>>22581081>>22581609>>22581616>we wrote it poorly on purpose
>>22581621You were just too dumb to understand it. Stick to Kuromukuro kid
>>22581333Mcgillis wasn’t capable of killing Almeria. He’s really invested in her as a younger version of himself, and proving to her (and himself by extension) that he really can succeed and be happy. Mcgillis is def a retard but he’s unironically a well-written retard with a believable lost-boy complex.
>>22581621Nagai actually did say it was important that the audience didn't think that Tekkadan was wrong or misguided after the first season. But we also know that when it came to s2, he wanted an even worse fate for Tekkadan as well as saying Merribit was right at the end of the first season. Likewise, Ogawa said it was important that the show appear to be black and white (since that sells) but was on Nagai's side with the ending.And think about what we see in the show itself. In s1, Nobliss spreads word that Tekkadan are knights fighting for Martian Independence with Kudelia in order to further his goal. Kudelia tells people on TV that the Dort workers were innocent, ignoring that the Dort workers were terrorists who previously fired on officers in the port when they were discovered with weapons Tekkadan smuggled to them. We also know that Makanai is in exile and seeking to retake office through election, the show keeps him being in exile for a corruption scandal from the audience in order to make the ending of s1 look black and white. We see this again in s2, where Tekkadan are thought of as a group fighting against corruption and again for independence due to McGillis spreading a false of them, with Tekkadan being confused by their public image and Orga repeatedly saying Tekkadan doesn't fight for any such reason. In fact, it's just after McGillis reveals he did that that the coup goes south. In turn, the testimony of Gaelio about what happened at Edmonton and Rustal controlling the media turns the people of Mars against Tekkadan. Meanwhile, the ending is meant to make Kudelia look like a success when her being elected just shows that Mars is now under the influence of the mafia.And of course Tekkadan were criminals who were punished in the end according to Nagai. The actions Nagai didn't want us to question involved Tekkadan committing crimes. That should really make you think.
>>22581641>when they were discovered with weapons Tekkadan smuggled to themThe government planned it all. Pieces were set from the very beginning.>We also know that Makanai is in exile and seeking to retake office through electionThat part was totaly retarted, though. No mater how you word it.
>/m/ still can't tell villain from antagonistHe was the hero, but the story was told from the villains' point of view.Is it such hard concept to grasp?
>>22582030Tekkadan were never really villains either. Most of the show they're just fighting for their own survival and even got a bunch of heroic moments throughout.
>>22582030Was Ribbons a bad guy?
>>22582037You could say the same about Gihren.They still were factual terrorists, conspiring with literal mafia to overthrow government, collateral damage be damned.
>>22582040There's nothing wrong with overthrowing corrupt governments and killing rich asshats. Japan needs to get on board and understand that.
Did Gali fighting Mcgillis actually matter or would Rustal have just blasted him even if Gali wasn't there to give him the drill?
What's the most black and white Gundam show?
>>22582039I needed to go google his motivation, 00 2s was really shitty in terms of narrative.He was basically worse, dumber, faggier version of Durandal, who was actually a good guy surrounded by imbeciles. Ribbons was an imbecile himself.>>22582046Literal 14yo tranny thinking.You'll be the first butchered in the "revolution".
>>22582057Ironic considering one is voiced by Amuro and the other is voiced by Char.
>>22582057A coward like the rest of them. Licking their boots won't save you. At least I'll take people with me when I go and you'll probably be one of them.
>>22581271>dealings with a diddled delusional manchild who offered castles in the sky with nothing to back it up other than 'trust the plan'.So exactly like your average spacenoid despot? The only difference is Orga got conned by a manchild instead of Jovians or (((Anaheim))).
>>22582076The difference is that the Jovians and Anaheim actually have power to back up their delusions.
>>22582083Not really? Crux Dogatie and his Jovian ilk got btfo'd hard by a bunch of pirates while Melanie Hue Carbine couldn't take advantage of the wars to recreate Israel and eventually Anaheim declined hard when the Feds got sick of them and abandoned them for SNRI. They're just as delusional as McGillis in the end.
>>22582085You're not wrong, but I'd argue their plans had slightly more longevity and flexibility than Muh Bael.
>>22581633>He’s really invested in her as a younger version of himselfHe was just into loli because he was assraped as a kid and so developmentally stunted. Stop reading too hard into it.
>>22582046Code Geass did it better. >>22582049SEED Destiny.
>>22577441Rustal's characterization is pragmatism and realism to ruthless levels. He saw the system no longer sustainable and replaced it when he could. Agreed that he has undeveloped backstory beyond being competent noble lord.
The war against self replicating ai seems like it would have been way more interesting to see instead of grown men abusing homeless mentally ill children.
Julieta was such a shit character
>>22582155Why?
>>22582180NTA but they changed her personality after her debut ep. She was bit boring, just a honorable enemy and Gali gf, nothing beyond thath
>>22582063>At least I'll take people with meYou can't even get out of your mom's basement and suddenly you're killing people?
>>22582180>Muh rustal-samaShe was also saved asspull after asspull
>>22582180Julietta isn't exactly a masterpiece of writing but I wouldn't call her shit either, Tekkadankeks just hate her since they need someone to hate to cope with the ending.
>>22582155I have a strong dislike for honoraburu/idealistic characters who don't seem to notice or, even worse, willingly ignore that the figure they idolize is a hypocritical piece of shit.
It all came tumbling down cause Tekkadan decided to join up with McGillis for no reason, and before even hearing his plan, and then double down to support him 100% of the way
>>22582218>no reasonOrga's mafia bro was dead and there was no one else backing him but McGillis>before hearing his planThey bought into the hype
>>22582208That describes most of the characters.
>>22582100No, he wasn't. Urdr hunt makes a point of showing that he is initially opposed to the marriage, but that Almeria wanted it because he treated her better than Gaelio did.
>>22582180The character herself wasnt shit but she and iok felt like they were made only to spice up the drama.Like, half the shit in 2nd season wouldnt happen of not for their contrived shenaningans
>>22582030Nah.>p1>The Post Disaster Era is a terrible place to live for the vast majority of people. If you're in space, either in the colonies or one of the various colonized planets, the overwhelming likelihood is you're poor. We're told that the Martian economy has a crazy high unemployment rate, and is controlled by Earth (hence the need for an independence movement). Its even probable that you're a slave of some description. Tekkadan are former Human Debris (slaves) child soldiers. The Turbines are made up entirely of freed female workers, who were heavily implied to have been abused within their previous employment. Even in the colonies near earth, where Human Debris appear more uncommon, the working conditions we see are more akin to factories from the industrial revolution, with the labor movements that came with them. And on Earth itself? Although we see some affluent people, we also see slums and child sex slaves. So it ain't great there either. The only thing we know about most of the other planets is they have prisons or labor camps. All of which is run by Gjallarhorn.
>>22582404>p2>Don't let the outcome of the show fool you. Despite signing the Human Debris Outlaw act and allying with the independent Mars government, and (we're told) running Gjallarhorn in a more democratic manner at the end of the series, Rustal didn't make these changes by choice so much as he saw the way things were going and made concessions to consolidate his own power. In his own actions, and those of Gjallarhorn in general sans Mcgillis, it is very clear that Gjallarhorn is a force for evil, selling their services to the highest bidder, instead of performing neutral policing as was intended. They set out to crush the Mars Independence movement so that they could maintain Earth control and financial backing. The Ariannhod Branch, which Rustal controls directly, was responsible for the false flag attack and incitement of violent worker rebellion within the Dort Colonies, all to show the workers how useless it was to organize for better wages and conditions. I wouldn't be suprised if some organizers were sent to aforementioned labor camps or prisons. In Urdr Hunt, its confirmed the the Kujan Family owns some colonies that his fleet attends to, so its actually very likely the Rustal owns the Dort Colonies himself, since they are under his fleets jurisdiction. Rustal himself escalated domestic conflict (directly opposed to Gjallarhorns stated objective of preventing wars) in order to fuck with Arbrau. They also reinstated the use of Dainsleifs (which is illegal) and then blamed Tekkadan and the Turbines for it.
>>22582401Julieta is pretty blatantly the Mika to Rustal's Orga and went through the opposite character development of Mika to serve as a foil to him. You're not wrong about Iok though, the writers needed someone to stir up drama.
>>22582405>p3>So why did Rustal end up supporting these positive policies? Because at the end of the Gjallarhorn civil war, and the events preceding it, Gjallarhorn and its reputation had taken quite a beating, loosing a significant portion of both Rustal's and Mcgillis's fleet, and it was on the verge of loosing its power base. The economic blocks understood that Gjallarhorn was not a neutral third party but in fact had its fingers on the scales, and were beginning to form their own militaries. Gjallarhorn wasn't faring any better in space, where Tekkadan's story, far from a cautionary tale, proved that Gjallarhorn weren't invincible, especially now. Rustal conceding to democracy was his way of convincing the economic blocks that Gjallarhorn would no longer fuck with world affairs. His bringing the Independent Mars government into the fold was a way of trying to assuage space interests. And the outlaw of Human Debris? Trying to prevent worker revolts. All of these things, and more, would've occurred had Mcgillis succeeded. They were all set in motion by his faction. Rustal just didn't have the ability to stop their momentum.
Thinking about it, would itr be possible that Ride might get away with killing Nobliss? Why? As far as Rustal is concerned, Nobliss outlived his usefulness and since Ride killed him in Mars, that may not fall under Gjallarhorn's jurisdiction anymore. Heck, I doubt Ride would want to go after Rustal after that because I can imagine he's smart enough to know he'll end up putting Kudelia, Atra (and Akatsuki), and the other Tekkadan remnants at jeopardy.
How would you fix IBO's final 10 episodes?
>>22582435Give more characterization to Rustal, Julieta and Gaelio so their victory doesn't feel so abrupt.
>>22582442seconding this, while on that subject I'm shocked at how much of a nothing character Mika's new handler was, whatever is name was, Hush? Rush?
>>22582435Have some Gundams on Gundams fights for once, and involve barbatos Mika had cool scenes with the MA but all he did otherwise was beat up Julieta and random mook MS. He didn't even have a proper go at kimaris or bael
Why did his mask glow green?And why did it never happen again
>>22574869Fucking yes ofc he was.>hurr enemy is using an illegal weapon>we are now justified by responding with the same illegal weapon>which we just happened to have a legion of on standby right now>the one shooting the illegal weapon wasn't actually the enemy it was us lolBut basically this >>22574921And then he handshakes Kudelia after basically butchering all of her friends and allies, and she also gets killed off later in a side story because fuck (You).I will never not be mad.
>>22579338Doesn't. Fucking. Count.It was 2 against 1, gaelio was literally cheating.
>>22582463Maybe the writer wanted a Biscuit or Merribit type character to call out Orga's bullshit but changed their minds, making Hush a waste of screentime.>>22582473>she also gets killed off later in a side story because fuck (You).Is this real? What side story are you talking about?
>>22582473>she also gets killed off later in a side storyI read that too somewhere, dunno if it actually went through, or the suits planned to but okada managed to stop/avoid it.
>>22582469How was he able to see with that mask
>>22574869Well he did have 2 incompetents following him in Iok and Julietta
>>22582532>Iok was a genius strategy capable of surviving in scenarios where he should die>Julietta is the monster slayer the most famous soldier in the military
>>22579365They should have had Iok live
>>22582435Remove iok from the story early on so naze and lafter's death isn't a meme
Could Mcgillis have won if he had successfully killed Gaelio the first time?
>>22581081Hmm.. that actually checks out.Still doesn't excuse IBO for having an altogether shitty conclusion, but the motifs I can accept like that.
>>22582750No. Because McGillis is the kind of idiot who'd run headlong into a trap totally convinced all the odds are in his favor and he has the high ground, only to realize 5 seconds too late that the ground is high because he's standing on a buried nuke.The only thing Gaelio/Vidar did, is accelerate the inevitable.
>>22582799Imagine what his reaction to Gaelio just leaving with the admission that he was a traitor instead of fighting.
>>22582750i guess so. Unless the rustal faction bought up another gundam or something, bael was essentially close to soloing the whole rustal fleet in ep 24, and could probably do it in ep 21 with the help of the three tekkadan gundams
>>22582773Thanks,It's fucking annoying desu. It just comes across as IBO always hinting that there's some bigger picture and more nuance to the conflict, but the show never actually takes that final step. The whole thing just comes across as this lesson to tell audiences to be critical of the media they consume rather than just accepting. It's like they took the moral of the North American House Hippo PSA and stretched it out into a 50 episode serieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLG2JP0P5JE,
>>22583421>It's fucking annoying desu. It just comes across as IBO always hinting that there's some bigger picture and more nuance to the conflict, but the show never actually takes that final step. The whole thing just comes across as this lesson to tell audiences to be critical of the media they consume rather than just accepting.I felt like Tekkadan was being romanticized for most of the show, with the mentioned hints not really being enough to distract from that. Beyond that looking at a historical perspective the officers in the revolt being a joke makes a lot of sense, but they didn't really go far enough in making McGillis not look like a viable option.
>>22582394>Urdr huntSo some discontinued game nobody played, rather than the show itself. Disregarded.
>>22581081>ShinsengumiSame inspiration as Gundam Sentinel then. Gundam Sentinel went for a similar angle where the New Desides titans remnants were a bunch of retards hopped up on bushido and nationalism. They're always making themselves out to be honorable or victims but died without accomplishing anything just like Tekkadan.
>>22583834Exactly. The show wanted us to be on Tekkadan's side and by proxy support McGillis, but then wants to punish the audience for not questioning the narrative it presented. I mean, there are examples out there of this being done well, but unless they have a denouement that brings everything into question people are left still believing that they were the good guys. At best, rewatching the show with knowledge of the ending makes it clear that Orga had no idea what he was doing and the show foreshadows their fate from early on, but can still think they were the victims. It's why the show was controversial in Japan when it aired, people thought the show was endorsing what Tekkadan did and how much of a bad influence that could be in a timeslot where kids could watch.
>>22577441>Rustal's motivations for doing so are unclear.They felt pretty clear to me. You just faced down a rebellion that was an existential threat to your world order. Obviously the issue isn't going away. So you enact some of the rebellion's tenets to defuse the situation to a degree. If you remove the reasons moderates supported the rebellion, there's no reason for them to get behind it in the future.
>>22583836>oh no! Evidence that I don't like.>surely no one will think less of me for just ignoring it arbitrarily!go back to plebbit
>>22583940Yeah, I don't see how this is complicated. The man is nothing if not pragmatic (and anyone who thinks he actually stepped away from power is kidding themselves).
>>22584053>evidenceYour only 'evidence' is your 'trust me, bro', because the game is dead and nobody can verify whether what you post is true. Since when is anything published as mobile game trash canon anyway?
>>22584088Bruh, Trafalgar Log translated the whole damn thing lmao. Its on youtube rn. A 30 sec google would answer your question, and we've had threads about Urdr Hunts content for the past 2 fucking years. You are ungodly lazy and retarded.
>>22577441Muh Bael was not going to gather more support. He was too busy being retarded from S1, killing off members of the 7 families that would have actually unilaterally supported him.
>>22584486>Killing off members of the 7 families that would have actually unilaterally supported him.Assuming McGillis didn't kill them and some of the important events stays the same (Iznario gets ousted and McGillis takes over the Orbital Joint Fleet anyway since Carta was deemed too incompetent), would those two still support McGillis' rebellion when Iznario outs him that he was just a random street urchin picked up and acted as Iznario's fucktoy?
>>22584507Carta would have. The degree of Oneitus she had obviously overrode any evidence that she saw for over a decade that McGillis had no interest in her and was already betrothed to someone else.
>>22584507>would those two still support McGillis' rebellion when Iznario outs him that he was just a random street urchin picked up and acted as Iznario's fucktoy?Izanario can't do that because that would involve Izanario admitting that he did that. But the answer is maybe. Carta was into Mcgillis, but she didn't seem to share his opinion that Gjallarhorn was hopelessly corrupt. Also, given how a lot of women seem to act when their crushes(? partners?) admit weakness or lack of masculinity, knowing his backstory might've just turned her off instead of pushing for sympathy points. On the other hand, Gaelio absolutely had a superiority complex over the common folk (at least in the beginning), but the knowledge that your best friend from childhood was raped repeatedly could've been enough to overcome that... Its unlikely, but its possible. What I can say is that they'd probably be willing to help him oust Izanario at the minimum. But beyond that, "I want to take over the world" is a hard sell for anyone. .
>>22583900Sad thing is there really shouldn't be anything controversial about what Tekkadan did in season 1. Slavers should violently slaughtered as painfully as possible so the message they seemed to be pushing is if you are a slave you should just obediently accept your lot in life so as not to inconvenience the people who aren't slaves. Which I guess makes sense for Japan because they'd rather their orphans just quietly non exist because they're inconvenient to their society. But Japan is a fucking hellhole
>>22584544>Iznario can't do that because that would involve Iznario admitting that he did that.But he did admit to that and revealed the truth about McGillis after MUH BAEL happened and House Fareed was basically condemned at the end of IBO despite Iznario isn't dead.
>>22584564The slavers were mainly local they spent most of the time fighting Gjallarhorn which didn't use slaves. Gjallarhorn did contract out the Brewers who did use human debris, but they allied with the guy who did that, who ended up leading a revolt.
>>22584564Anon, if you ever actually read up on child soldier recruitment, Orga would legally be seen as no different from the slavers IRL. It's still considered exploitation of children (as well a war crime) to hire child soldiers, and the reasons kids gave for joining Tekkadan throughout the show are actual reasons why it's seen like that. Not only that, the CGS boss was thrown into slavery by Naze on one of Teiwaz's asteroid mines, meaning Teiwaz themselves are slavers yet Tekkadan joins them. Even in-universe, child soldiers weren't really a thing until Kudelia, and even then Kudelia hiring child soldiers to bring them to Earth was supposed to show how bad things were on Earth due to the economic policies governments like Makanai's puts in place.Anon, the show was controversial from episode 3 when Tekkadan drugged and tied up their former employers (only kids with the red stripe were slaves, the rest were paid to be there but again this is viewed no differently from slavery in international courts), killing those who resisted as Tekkadan stole the company. Killing someone when they can't fight back is viewed very negatively in Japan and then that same episode tried to say that Mikazuki was honorable. The Dort Workers were called terrorists by PTA groups because even though Gjallarhorn did supply them weapons, they were still looking for weapons as part of a violent revolt. Anyone will tell you that being part of the mafia has a stigma in Japan, then there's Tekkadan illegally entering Earth's atmosphere. Makanai is revealed in the show to be corrupt as hell, and the "honorable" Mikazuki rejecting Carta's request for a duel got him labelled as evil on Japanese forums. There's also the fact the show's own director confirmed Merribit was right at the end of the first season because, surprise, people have issues teaching a bunch of kids to kill for their own benefit..The show romanticized them, but Tekkadan's actions were crimes. Japan picked up on this.
Should have ended in mutual destruction imoExcept maybe Kudelia and Atra
>>22586032So, yes. Don't try to buck the system creating slaves because you might make those running it uncomfortable. You took a lot of words to say that.
>>22586080Kudelia should have died and Fumitan should have lived
>>22586303This.
>>22586293> Group of child soldiers who solve everything through violence try to take over the world through a backroom deal with a social Darwinist.> Clearly they're just trying to buck the system.Oh, and don't forget how their success in the first season only served to inspire people to kidnap and enslave more children due to creating demand for child soldiers, and how this was all part of McGillis's plan to create conflicts so he can look like the hero swooping in and putting a stop to them. The world McGillis wanted to make was not a good one, he was saying the same lines villains in Japanese media always do when it comes to the strong taking whatever they want. If people wanted to enslave kids, they would be free to do so in his world provided they are strong enough to do so.And you're still ignoring that Orga recruiting kids is viewed as no different than using slave kids IRL. The UN would lock him up and throw away the key. Or are you saying exploiting kids is okay when he does it?>>22586303The director and producer did want her to die, as s2 is a consequence of her victory in s1. The ending of s1 is supposed to be her crossing a line, putting a corrupt politician back into office so that she can get the half-metal rights even as he's threatening Tekkadan into serving him. She does whatever it takes to win, but it ultimately makes the world a worse place. Not only that, the ending with her being put into office through Teiwaz's influence ultimately shows that Mars is not independent at the end. Jupiter is secretly controlling their government.
Are any of you McGillis theorists accounting for Katya? The issue family has a backup even if they disown Carta
>>22574869He was literally the only smart person in the entire series.
>>22586032>honorable" Mikazuki rejecting Carta's request for a duel got him labelled as evil on Japanese forums.When was Mikazuki honorable? Strange to harp on that.
>>22586032So what you're saying are the Japanese are fucking pussies who would rather lick the boots of their oppressors than attempt, gasp violence on anyone. You all sound like the cowards who let the bullies beat the shit out of you in school while whining for a teacher to save you because you couldn't stomach actually fighting for yourself for a change. Or you were the bullies and have never known the frustration of being on the lower rungs.
>>22586676Mikazuki played along with Crank's request for a duel early on and it accomplished nothing even though he won, Crank even admitted nobody in Gjllarhorn would honor his agreement to leave them alone. Not surprised he wasn't falling for it a second time.
>>22586604Biscuit
>>22579507>"I just want to kill those fucking-">ORPHANNNNNS NAMIDAAAAAA
>>22586681No he was saying you're an idiot.
>>22586711How's that working out for him?
>>22586491>okay when he does it?They are free to go so yeah, sure. Kinda better than slavery run by the government.>putting a corrupt politician back into officeHe was elected. >but it ultimately makes the world a worse placeMars became much better judging from everything we've been shown.
Is Ein the only character that has truly become gundam?
>>22586805Ericht from G-Witch and Rita from Narrative too
>>22586032I actually wonder if Orga could even have ruled Mars after all. Like, is there any indication they could have done all the administrative work? Nobilis would be fucking with them, and the rest of the solar system would've descended into a series of bloody wars under McGillis. It's like, there's no indication that the Tekkadan boys are really good at legitimate business. It was the mercenary stuff that paid the bills.
>>22586789>Kinda better than slavery run by the government.When did the government use slavery? Also what is "the government" in this situation.>Mars became much better judging from everything we've been shown.Kudelia shaking hands with Rustal?
>>22586491>The ending of s1 is supposed to be her crossing a line, putting a corrupt politician back into office You seriously take at face value the word of a government propped up by the an extranational military and preventing a duly elected official from taking office and planning to go "NUH UH JUST CUZ WE WERE GONNA EXTRAJUDICIALLY KILL YOU IF YOU CAME TO PARLIMENT YOU DIDN'T MAKE IN TIME TO BE SWORN IN SO IT DOESN'T COUNT". Seriously? You take them at their word and think they wouldn't fabricate other shit? Of course if that's what your opposition is willing to do you have to make concessions to accomplish anything at all.
>>22586805That's the entire basis of the EXAM system. Also Tieria pulled it off, too.
>>22588080>"NUH UH JUST CUZ WE WERE GONNA EXTRAJUDICIALLY KILL YOU IF YOU CAME TO PARLIMENT SO YOU DON'T MAKE IN TIME TO BE MY PUPPET'S OPPONENT SO IT DOESN'T COUNT"FTFY, and can't forget that Iznario got busted for it and is exiled as a result since interfering with a bloc's politics is considered a forbidden act in Gjallarhorn.
>>22586899>When did the government use slavery?If state doesn't forbid something, it allows it. Simple as that. >Kudelia shaking hands with Rustal?Also schools, orphanages etc.
>>22588080I'm basing it on what I saw. Kudelia left Mars at the invitation of Makanai, who she knew was still in office at the time. By the time she got to Earth, Makanai was in exile and he reveals that he sent for her as part of a plan to get back into power. When he invited Kudelia, he knew he was getting kicked out. Without being in any position of power or authority, completely separate from Arbrau, he offered Kudelia the half-metal rights to Mars while at the same time threatening child soldiers equipped with illegal cybernetic augmentation into being his bodyguards. He has no problem with Tekkadan methods, something the director said were wrong at the end of the first season, and then laid seige to his own country to retake control of his party during the election. Makanai should have been a war criminal for the shit he did, and his and Kudelia's success only served to make the world a worse place. Even Kudelia thought he was a shitty person prior to him being blown up. Not to mention,the show starts off by saying it's the economic policies of the blocks that make Mars suffer so much while Gjallarhorn has little influence on the planet.>>22588105AVS was banned following the Calamity War, and people were still using it. Kudelia can ban human debris, but the big draw of human debris was using them for the already illegal AVS surgery. The show also made it a point that before her, child soldiers weren't a thing and Tekkadan's very existence was supposed to be shocking to the people of Earth as an example of how shitty Mars got.But then it ends with Jupiter controlling Mars from the shadows instead, with the books saying they either plan to take over planetary security or sell the planet expensive MS so it can defend itself because the books realize that with Gjallarhorn there Mars is now at the mercy of space pirates. GG Kudelia
>>22588272>then laid seige to his own country to retake control of his party during the election. That's the crux of the matter. If he was the democratically elected ruler, when he was in a position of political weakness and not likely able to directly manipulate the vote tallies, why the fuck shouldn't he be in power if that's what the people want? Especially since the election was held after the ousting/exile.
>>22586681The Japanese constitution literally denounces war and violence dumbass. Article 9 says "Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes."
>>22588272But human debris is literally slavery and that's commonplace in the first place. You're missing the forest for the trees.
>>22588279Arbrau is said to be a parliament. In a parliamentary system, people don't vote directly for the leader of the country. In each riding, they vote for the representative they want to run their region, and the leader of the party that has the most seats ends up being the leader of the country. People weren't voting for Makanai, they were voting for members of his party only for him to return at the very last minute to reclaim control of the party.
>>22588288Yeah. They wanted him and his ideas in charge. It'd be like saying you hate Trudeau but still voting Liberal in Canuckistan.
McGillis only mistake is not double tapping in S1
>>22574869Yeah, but I don't hate him because of that. I hate him because he didn't die. Shino had him dead to rights, and there's physically no way that Julieta could have thrown her weapon, in the way shown, to fuck up his aim.The same goes for her and Iok. Iok should have died several times over before the last episode, but if there was anywhere that he most should have bit the bullet it was when Amida landed a direct hit on his bridge and then Naze rammed him with the Hammerhead. Julieta should have died when Mikazuki impaled her cockpit during the space battle before the final battle. I don't care if Tekkadan had the same plot armor during season 1 (mostly towards the end), precedence doesn't mean that it's not retarded.
>>22588508Bael was insanely sexy but Vidar was sexier
>>22582047Without Galio there most of Rustal's fleet would have been destroyed with Rustal probably dying in the process. Part of what makes the AV so scary in the show is if someone's using one properly its basically impossible to beat them. It took multiple orbital drops to finish of Mikan and he's using a shitty pirated version of the AV system used my McGillis. Without Galio there Rustal had literally zero tools in orbit to hurt Bael and his only defense was Bael running out of resources for butchering his fleet before he got to him.
>>22588727Vidar was pumped and dumped while McGillis ride and died with Bael. We know which is the superior MS here.
>>22588581That would have done a lot for the ending. If the people on both sides perpetuating the cycle of suffering snuffed each other out that would have been a lot better than "false flag warcrimes against your own men, it's totally worth" and getting away with it and then managing a media blackout somehow of a large-scale orbital bombardment that nobody managed to catch on camera somehow, someway. No ships carrying freight between planets picked anything up or nothing. Nope. It's actually dumb how hard the show bends over backwards to make him get away with everything.
>>22588963Vidar was just Kimaris in its undies with an additional reactor to hide the fact that it was just Kimaris in its undies.
>>22588105>If state doesn't forbid something, it allows it. Simple as that.The government would be Arbrau and Chryse Autonomous Region. Only use of human debris by a somewhat legitimate business was in Chryse. The rest shown in the show were gangsters or pirates. So they had the local ability to make it illegal. Whether or not anyone would bother to enforce it is something else.By the end of the first season all they got was a mercenary contract and mining rights and they settled down until they got caught in the Gjallarhorn conflict.>Also schools, orphanages etc.Only orphanage shown was made with Nobliss's backing. We weren't shown much in the way of other improvements.
>>22588581>>22589149Do you think they would change the ending if IBO ever come to SRW?
>>22594929Probably. Z2 made it so even if you let the Zero Requiem happen Lelouch still survives. I could also see Julietta, Gaelio, and McGillis as secret characters you can recruit.
>>22594929They have no choice, since otherwise you'd never be able to win.
>>22594929The fact that 30 only has Tekkadan and Mcgillis and has them becoming pals with everyone kind of speaks for that.
As far as the in setting public is concerned Rustal is pretty much George Washington.
I am fully convinced that the fight with Hashmal in the second season gave McGillis from beam radiation or something which is why he goes full retard so hard afterwards.
>>22595584Ah yes, George Washington, who fought the colonists in the name of Britain and then was elected Prime Minister of the new British Alliance.
>>22588581>and there's physically no way that Julieta could have thrown her weapon, in the way shown, to fuck up his aim.That seriously annoyed me. So Shino and Rustal's ship are so far away from the battlefield that Mika can't get there in time to even recover his body going full speed with his gundam, but she can somehow THROW her severed limb with so much speed it reaches Shino's gundam in seconds and so accurately from so far away that she hits its railguns and throws off its aim. That was seriously the best the writer and director could come up with for that scene? It's like a soldier on the ground shooting down a high altitude bomber with only a single pistol shot while only being able to see out of one eye.
>>22595590I like Macky best when he's unhinged personally. He was so much fun after he got Bael.
>>225792364chan always sides with the villain so of course they choose the elite over ragtag child soldiers.
>>22595590He got motivated after Barbatos gave the current day humanity a demonstration of something they previously only knew from history books. Perfect time to take the king of gundams out of storage and pull rank.
>>22575253I forgot about that plotline because it felt kinda disconnected from the endgame where he appeared more often. Didn't help that there's barely any reference to it later as well. Nor me just watching an episode every other week and forgetting stuff like that. Assuming he really did arm them.>>22577441Aside from him possibly doing that, the show didn't really give us more reason to root for McGillis later on. Rustal didn't seem too corrupt (according to my iffy memory of early S2) and the other houses were already kinda sorta brought to heel when Bael was unleashed.I think the only dirty thing he (or it was solely kujan?) did was using a Dainslef to take out the teiwaz guy.
>>22575625el monstruo...
>>22595601I saw it less as Mika couldn't get Shino's body and more so, Mika in his stupid little head went Orga said to retreat, I should just focus on retreating now, no time to get Shino's body and his gundam Orga needs me to retreat.
>>22574869Would he still had won if Geist was the MC and not Mika, Orga, or McGillis?
>>22596810Geist wins no matter what happens or who he faces. Geist would probably joyride in Hashmal.
>>22596240Rustal was the one that hired Galan Mossa, that bearded mercenary guy, to attempt to assassinate PM Makanai and Chad in order to start and maintain the border war between Arbrau and the SAU to discredit McGillis and got a bunch of Tekkadan's Earth branch killed. >>22595704I love McGillis' last fight simply because it allows him to go full mask-off. You can tell that he was waiting for that exact moment for years. No more keeping up appearances as a member of the Fareed family, and no pretending to be the leader of a revolution with noble intentions. He just lets loose and wreaks complete havoc. It's a shame that he got too caught up in it, because if he'd divebombed Rustal's ship from the start then he would have, at the very least, been able to deny Rustal his victory.
>>22597484>Geist would probably joyride in Hashmal.He'd find a way to find more mobile armors. Unleash them on the world. Sabotage all the dansliefs in existence, because they make things boring. Watch the chaos, then proceed to go mobile Armor hunting. He also wouldn't bother using a mobile suit of any sort, too easy.
>>22597620I love Geist so much. He's just unapologetically awesome. He'd fight MA with nothing but his grenade knife and maybe the grapnel/harpoon rifle he uses early on in the first OVA.
>>22597484>>22597620>>22597728Geist: Rustal!Rustal: BUT HOW!?Geist: Now.. We continue!
>>22581081faggot
