What are some good novels featuring/about homosexuality?
>>23301748my diary desu
>>23301748anglobros... how will we recover from picrel?
>>23301748Novels and prose are gay in general, take your pick.
>>23301748Chuck Pahlaniuk is a legend for fight club which became a great movie. His prose is legitimately worse than Japanese light novels or Twilight though. But maybe that can be excused because his background was in journaliam originally. Look up palahniuk daily stormer. He reads that shit on the regular and said as much on Joe Rogan. If I didn't think the Stormer was all feded up, I would call that hella based.
>>23302126A German actor (Max Born) in an Italian film adaptation of a Roman novel? I don’t know
>>23301748Doesn't exist.
>>23301775man, mine too. it'd be interesting to see the same sexual encounter described in two diaries>best night of my life. arranged an encounter up with an effete young twink from a dating app and took my pleasure with him in the back of my 1998 rav4. the experience was overwhelming and when it was done we soaked in the afterglow for a long time, maybe two hours, and talked the happy nonsense people talk in those times. he is wise beyond his years and has a deep soul. i felt that there was much i'd like to hear out of his sweet mouth on any subject at all. he reminds me, in appearence of the young "harry bolton" melville describes in "redburn". i am still grinning even as i write this and still feel his wramth on my body. i cannot wait to see him again.vs>dear diary. hooked up with some guy on grindr. he must have been like thirty. first he couldn't get hard and then he came to fast. blocked his number and deleted my account. this time i'm SURE i won't make another.
>>23302141>If I didn't think the Stormer was all feded upThe one outlet actually hard supressed in the US?
>>23301748giwtwm(on the right)
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Moby DickThe Great GatsbyThe Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
>>23302495lol love it
>>23301748A separate peace desu. It's not explicit but that boy loved that boy
>>23301775based
>>23303361These. Also Nietzche and Mishima.
>page 11>no mention of mannmann.
>>23301748>HAHAHAHA!!!! LOL!!!! GAY SEX!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! FAGGOTS STICKING COCKS IN EACHOTHER'S SHITTY DIRTY FRAGILE ASSHOLES UNTIL THEIR ASSHOLES PROLAPSE AND LEAK SHIT!!!! LOL!!! SO HECKIN WHOLESOME!!! I LOVE FEMBOYS AYYAYAYAY FEMBOY PORNNNN IM GOOOONIIING TO SMOOTH FEMBOYS THAT COINCIDENTALLY LOOK LIKE 14YO BOYS!!!!! LOOK AT THIS SICK FJCKING YAOI!!!! HGNGHGHNGH AHAHAHHAHA LOLOLOLO!!!!! ANIME BOYS FUCKING EACHOTHER IS THE EXACT SAME AS POZZED FAGGOTS CUMMING IN EACH OTHERS ASSHOLES AND CAUSING CRAMPS AND SPREADING STDS AND CAUSING TEARS IN THE ASS!!!!! XDDDDD LOL OLOL!!!!!!! I HECKIN LOVE FUCKING TWINKS AND GETTING FUCKED IN MY ASS AND GETTING SHIT ON MY DICK AND HAVING TO WEAR A CUTE HECKIN CONDOM BECAUSE FUCKING A MAN'S ASSHOLE IS LIKE GAMBLING WITH MY HEALTH!!!! BUT… BUTTT"!!! O_O BUTT!!!!!! LISTEN BRO IT FEEEELSS SOOOOOOO GOOOOODDDDDD IT'S SO BASED AND KINO AND HOT WHILE YOUR BOTTOM MOANS WHILE YOU STUFF HIS ASSHOLE WITH YOUR COCK THAT DILATES HIS SPINCHTER OVER TIME!!!! WOAHHHH!!!!!! SHAVED ASSES!!!! FEMBOYS!!!!! TWINKS!!!!!! BEARS!!!!!! BRROOOOOO IM SUCH A FUCKING TOP!!!! IM A FUCKING BOTTTTOOMMMM!!!!!! IM A FUCKING VERS HOLY SHITT BROOOOO I LOVE GAY FAGGOT POZZED SINFUL LIFE-THREATENING SEX BECAUSE I AM A FUCKING HORNY APE!!!!!!! WHAT?!?! GAYS HAVE A HUNDRED SEX PARTNERS AND A HUGE PART OF YOUNG GAY CULTURE IS HOOKING UP WITH MARRIED 50YO "DADDIES" ON GRINDR?!?! BUT BUT BUT ALL MY HECKIN TRANIME TUMBLR GAY TEENAGE LOVE COMICS!!!!!!! WHAT THE LE FLIP IS THIS?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!! DA STRAGGOOOOTSSS DID THISSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK FUCK IM GONNA FUCKING BUST BECAUSE MY PORN ADDICTION IS TAKING OVER AGAIN…. UNGHHHH!!!!!!! ARGHHHH!!!!!!! MAN ASS!!!!!!!!!! RECTUMS!!!!!!!! COCK!!!!!!!! BOYCUM!!!!! BOYDICK!!!!!!!! BOYPUSSY!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM NOT A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKKKK IM BUSSIN OUT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>23303373If he loved him so much why did he kill him?
>>23306731I say these exact words out loud every day
>>23306731Shut up, Beavis.
>>23301748Brideshead Revisited. Sebastian is clearly a fag in love with Charles. It's nice because he winds up finding some peace at the end while reaffirming that fag love is forbidden by the Church.
>>23307729>It's nice because he winds up finding some peace at the endlow reading comprehension detected
>>23301748The Book of Skulls
>>23307333I don't know remember. It barely read the book but the latent homoeroticism jumped out. Maybe it was poorly reconciled homosexual feelings sublimated into jealousy? Again, I don't even remember someone killing someone else so, like, you tell me (??) haha
>>23301748
>>23301748you could read some gay webcomics
>>23308256He jounced the limb so that Phineas fell to his death. The why is hte big questino of the novel.
>>23308603you mean literally every single webcomic?
>>23301748test
There once was a little faggotHe spinned around until he became dizzyIn this moment he realized that he was a gay swindleHe ended up as a heroin junkie and prostitute
One of Fellini's best films.
>>23308616>>23308256The ending is a very heavy handed explanation of it. Fatal insecurity and jealousy that Phineas was everything he wasn't and someone he grew to see as competition for his own identity. Gene was insecure and Phineas wasn't. Perhaps too good for this world is one implication.As blatantly homoromantic as it is, it resists a queer reading because, and I'm praphrasing Knowles hisself here, if it were conscious for either of the characters, it would have been an entirely different story, especially given the time and place. There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay. I think the more overtly gay teen romantic friendship novels make that distinction more clear. There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way fag" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word. What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution way; but I use it and the Outsiders as examples of when queer reading becomes reductive and fails to make a convincing case from the text itself.
>>23309687I didn't finish my thought there. It parallels and calls to mind some gay subtext but that interpretation is entirely on the part of the reader, heterosexual or otherwise. You see the opposite in more overtly queer works, where the reader diminishes what is inherent because it is foreign or forbidden and replaces it with some more known and comprehensible Otherness. Other similar works deal with a kind of deconstructive deletion and Trace left by the question being avoided, which I don't find present by its omission.
>>23309687>There is an inherent Freudian homoeroticism to male relationships but that doesn't make something gay*softly yet firmly disagrees* Well, it certainly isn't straight. And that's okay. I think the moment things like homoromanticism or homoeroticism enter the picture, the rational person should acknowledge that pretensions to pure hetero-ness should be left behind. This is not only rational but adaptive rather than maladaptive. I'm not trying to label anyone or anything explicitly. I think it's often rude to put handles on things. But have at least a notion to refer to that is actually in line with reality instead of an approximation that doesn't fully describe or satisfy is good.>There's a similar one sided, unrequited "no way fag" thing going on, but (it's been 25 years since I read it) I see no allegory or anything convincingly... "queer coded", sorry for using that word.As a guy who has spent most of his life thinking exclusively about guys (straight guys, "straight" guys, bi-curious guys, bi guys who are insecure or hiding, bi guys who aren't but aren't out, openly bisexual guys, and the gradations of gay guys) the queerness jumped out. >What I think has happened is that it recognizably parallels early homoromantic relationships, in a very primordial, low resolution wayIt seemed high level and explicit to me because there were at least two dots to connect (and I might be misremembering this): one was when he was admiring phineas in the tree (and I think he compared him to some sort of greek god) and another time when he was admiring phineas as he rowed a boat (?). He was pretty egregious in his description of his physicality which means, according to literary conventions, he was *focusing* on his physicality at a granular level.There is, for men (and women) who are not self-resolved, a dichotomy to relationships with others: that of love and hate, admiration and resentment. That Gene displayed that and ultimately acted on the latter doesnt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Me,_Eddie
>>23309687>>23309931doesn't mean that the homoerotic tensions are invented (by the reader) or merely placid, inconsequential vagaries of attention (on the part of gene and/or phineas). Just because a desire isn't conscious doesn't mean its not in play as well.>>23309793I think that my queer reading of the subtext comes from knowledge of what is actually real with regard to actual people instead of ignorance of what is actually real with regard to actual people.It's borne of, like, media and social literacy rather than its opposite. In any case, your viewpoints are well explicated and circumspective. It was no burden to consider your viewpoints and respond to them. If I may be so bold as to conclude my reading of this exchange, I suspect I'm more right than you are about the homoeroticism. I don't think it resists a queer reading, I think it just isn't explicit enough for one who has never been a gay person; someone who has never had to either get really good at reading people or actually be a foreveralone. If someone has never lived like that, it's unlikely the would have the conscious heuristics necessary to rightly conclude someone's sexuality/romantic leanings (except for straight or not-straight(?)). I think that queer people are more likely to conclude in what way something is queer than non-queer people because being queer lends itself to conscious, named investigation beyond where non-queer people usually stop. I think I started rambling but I hope something useful or enlightening was said.
>>23309687American culture was always highly repressed and puritan so outright homosexuality was not common in American boarding schools the way it was in British "public" schools. Otherwise Gore Vidal (who went to the "Devon" of the novel) would have mentioned it. Instead they used subtext like "the butt room..."
Nightwood, Djuna Barnes. It's got gays and lesbians.
any book on masculinity written by a man
>>23301748what's OP pic from?
it's obviously in search of the lost time
>>23310473Fellini's Satyricon, based on one of only two roman novels. It's the main character Encolpius hugging his 16 year old boy slave/lover Giton. Very funny book, here's a summary of the first surviving section (only a fraction survives)>In the first passage preserved, Encolpius is in a Greek town in Campania, perhaps Puteoli, where he is standing outside a school, railing against the Asiatic style and false taste in literature, which he blames on the prevailing system of declamatory education (1–2). His adversary in this debate is Agamemnon, a sophist, who shifts the blame from the teachers to the parents (3–5). Encolpius discovers that his companion Ascyltos has left and breaks away from Agamemnon when a group of students arrive (6).>Encolpius then gets lost and asks an old woman for help returning home. She takes him to a brothel which she refers to as his home. There, Encolpius locates Ascyltos (7–8) and then Giton (8), who claims that Ascyltos made a sexual attempt on him (9). After raising their voices against each other, the fight ends in laughter and the friends reconcile but still agree to split at a later date (9–10). Later, Encolpius tries to have sex with Giton, but is interrupted by Ascyltos, who assaults him after catching the two in bed (11). The three go to the market, where they are involved in a convoluted dispute over stolen property (12–15). Returning to their lodgings, they are confronted by Quartilla, a devotee of Priapus, who condemns their attempts to pry into the cult's secrets (16–18).>The companions are overpowered by Quartilla, her maids, and an aged male prostitute, who sexually torture them (19–21), then provide them with dinner and engage them in further sexual activity (21–26). An orgy ensues and the sequence ends with Encolpius and Quartilla exchanging kisses while they spy through a keyhole at Giton deflowering a seven-year-old virgin girl (26).
>ITT people confusing homosexuality for pedophilia
>>23310511There is nothing wrong with paederasty.
>>23310507thank you anon for responding to me
>>23310507>boy slave/It looks like a middle-aged woman to me. must be some kind of tranny
Here's one of the more recent charts.
>>23311229Does this look like a middle aged woman?
>>23311254Definitely female. It looks like Carol Burnett and she's like a hundred years old
>>23311229>>23311595Blind schizo
>>23301748Dreams From My Father
>>23311595>Carol BurnettImpossible to unsee this
>>23311254He's more attractive than most women.
>>23311229>>23311254>>23311595>>23315859Him now
Christopher Isherwood - A Single Man
>>23311254Yes
>>23317435This is probably the best one.
>>23306731Now this is what I call based.
>>23310511They’re the same thing
>>23304373>NietzscheHow so?
>>23311240>fag canon>lesbian bookswhat did they mean by this
