to all the start with the greekcels, if you arent just a pretentious arm chair wikipedia philosopher, tell me which books and philosophers to start and to end with.
>>23300579Start with Russell (PBUH) then move on to the Vienna Circle positivists (PBUH) then A.J. Ayer (gigaPBUH)
>>23300579start with Plato/Aristotlethen read pic relatedThen read Gregory Palamas
>>23300579My actual pipeline:>Thomist manualism (Catholic school) > Aristotle > Plato > Plotinus (only a few weeks) > Kant (year) > Schopenhauer > Nāgārjuna > nominalism > materialism
>>23300579>tell me which books and philosophers to start and to end with.Plato (Euthyphro, Apology, Phaedo, Meno, Symposium, Phaedrus, Theaetetus) -> -> Cicero (De Natura Deorum, Tusculan Disputations) -> Augustine (Confessions, De Trinitate) -> Descartes (Discourse on Method, Meditations on First Philosophy), -> Spinoza (Ethics) -> Bacon (Novum Organum, first book only) -> Locke (Essay Concerning Human Understanding) -> Hume (Enquiry) -> Kant (First Critique) -> Plato (Philebus, Parmenides, Timaeus, Sophist, Statesman) -> Aristotle (Organon, De Anima, De Caelo, Metaphysics) -> Plotinus (Enneads) -> Proclus (Elements of Theology) -> Scotus and Ockham (Both have "philosophical writings editions from Hackett) -> William James (Essays on Radical Empiricism, The Sentiment of Rationality) -> Peirce (Essential Peirce volume 1, the Harvard Lectures, The Law of Mind, Evolutionary Love, A Neglected Argument for the reality of God) -> Hegel (PoS, SoL) -> Deleuze (Difference and Repetition) -> Whitehead (Process and Reality) -> Max Stirner (The Ego and Its Own) -> Dao De Jing -> Nagarjuna -> The Avatamsaka Sutra -> Devotional Hymns to Ra and no i haven't read all of this.
>>23300579Beatles > Dylan > Morrissey > Wilde > Ruskin > Carlyle > Hitler > Saint Thomas
>>23300579I started out as a Kantian, moved to Aristotle but now according to some “research” allegedly I come close Frederich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling though I’ve never actually read him, despite owning two of his works.
>>23300628you can't have whitehead and deleuze without bergson I'm afraidat least you have plotinus
Plotinus, Leibniz, Bergson, Whitehead, Davidson
>>23301066>you can't have whitehead and deleuze without bergson I'm afraidyes you can.
Metaphysics is a waste of time.
>>23300579PreSocratics, Plato, Aristotle; Homer, Hesiod, Theognis; Aristophanes, Euripides, Sophocles, Aeschylus.
This one was good, although I'd include Proclus' Elements, Aristotle, and some Aquinas. Not sure what I'd sub out. Boheme probably for one.
I started and stopped at Platonism, it just makes the most sense to me. I'm already not a materialist so it's easy for me to accept the reality of the Forms.The only slight modification was when I read Augustine's City of God and he tweaks Platonism by adding God as the source of all the Forms and the one who maintains them. So I suppose technically I am an Augustinian, metaphysically.
>>23301073you literally cannot
>>23300579You great fucking buffoon! There is no end!
Picrel is a great introduction, I’d reccomend reading it first whomever you start with. Keep in mind that everything he says is incorrect, but it gives a good survey of epistemic & metaphysical problems
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I started with the Greeks a long time agoI loved the Iliad and the OdysseyI loved Thucydides Aeschylus is my favourite playwright although I have to say I have a weak spot for Euripides even if that makes me feel ashamedI don't care about philosophy at all
>>23301079Imagine thinking this>Dude bruh the understanding the fundamental source code of reality is a waste of time... It's not like this could potentially give you the ultimate keys to mastering space and time bruh. Just study business instead!
>>23300579start with the pre socratics... Anaxagoras, Parmenides...then go to Plato and Aristotle...then read all the rationalists and empiricists like Descartes, Leibniz, Hume or Locke...then proceed to Immanuel Kant...it ends here...
Started out with Kant and moved back to Parmenides once i realized that the crafty midget couldn't escape Hume. And that all faggots who came after were just inventing names and concepts in Kant's autistic tradition but had the same problems he had about the necessity of such insipid categorization pathology that infests post-kantian metaphysics.
Unpopular but factually right: Start with STEM. If your metaphysics contradicts physics and math then your metaphysics is wrong. In order to engage with metaphysics you first need to know the edge cases of observable reality. For example determinism (debunked by quantum mechanics), absolute time (debunked by relativity), or universal logical decidability (debunked by Gödel) are invalid assumptions and hence any metaphysics based on them is doomed to be a pathetic failure.
>>23304132>For example determinism (debunked by quantum mechanics),>absolute time (debunked by relativity)You don't actually know what you think you know.
>>23304147Do you have questions?
Naive realism -> Berkeleyan idealism without God -> metzinger scientism illusionism -> direct realism again -> got depressed -> flirted with schophenaur and mainlander style pesimisstic metaphysics -> realize nobody knows a fuckin thing and metaphysics is just cringetards ranting about their grand (unprovable) theories -> queitism
>>23304132But what if observable reality is lying to us?
>>23301066I found Bergson a chore to read so I just dropped him
>>23305014Cool bro keep wasting your life trying to answer questions people have wasted their time on for thousands of years! I'll be over here having sex - you have fun though ;)
>>23304132> a photon is both a wave and a particle; or any other particle eccentricity that exists in subatomic particles, therefore the sun will not rise tomorrowThis is how ridiculous your argument sounds.
>>23305016Math cannot lie. Observable reality merely confirms the mathematical ideas we conceived a priori.
>>23300579Do you want to know? Do you really want to know?Plato -> Aristotle -> Jesus -> Church Fathers -> Rest of the Orthodox patristics -> Holy Sacraments -> Monastery -> Theosis
>>23304132Unironically a good post. Metaphysics with no regard for science is like philosophy of language with no regard for linguistics, or literary theory done by someone who doesn't read.
>>23300579>Materialism > Nietzsche > deism > perennialism > Eastern Orthodoxy
Materialism>realism>idealismAfter that, I took Berkeley's advice to heart and started cultivating virtue
>>23306107Berkley was a Christian bishop, you missed his adivce entirely
>>23306110Yeah yeah, he wanted me to be an anglican, I know. All in all, I am content with the thought of the eternal spirit existing and place my trust in it every day. Now all (most) I think about is ethics.
>>23305574le sex
>>23305779>Holy SacramentsWho wrote this book?
bump
>>23305775Some theorists posit that math is merely “invented” so we invent our own reality.
>>23305574With your own mother
>>23300579>Read Jordan Peterson>...>Read Jordan PetersonYep, it's academia time.
>>23300579Yes this is what I missed out on, knowing.
>>233005791) Guenon2) ShankaraThat’s it, you’ve reached the final redpill
Start and finish with the ancient Eleatics and Daoists. Then you'll realise the last 2,400 years of western philosophy/theology is dead on arrival.
>>23300590real niggas went from Aristotle > Bacon > Berkeley > Mach > AJ. Ayer
