Post unconventional military designs caused by being French.
>>61558515Le flamming baguette super rapide Frech autism pre-Mirage III was something...
Having the best win/loss record of all the European powers means you can take creative liberties with experimental designs
>>61558563That aircraft was part of the legacy of the interwar french clusterfuck that made the worst european airplanes of WWII.
>>61558515The Thunderbirds are GO!
>>61558515Doesn't make sens bur it was cool af. It also had a seaplane on board.
>>61558582Not relevant after the rise of US hegemony
>>61558621>Have a look at this, Bond...
>>61558694>>Have a look at this, Bond...
>>61558634>doesn't make senseThis is your reminder that during WWI, most U-Boat kills were made with the deck gun, not torpedoes. It actually makes some sense to mount more powerful guns on a sub with that kind of knowledge, so you can engage something other than the enemy's merchant fleet.
>>61558829Is that second image implying you'd have a gunner inside the fucking rotor shaft?
>>61558800>Not Shown: >fully equipped gourmet kitchen >wine cellar
>>61558690That one's a movie prop and not the real surcouf.
>>61558621Flies good, to bad it can't land.
Don't forget small arms!
Payen PA-22 - Canarded delta wing WW2 era prop. They went full retard in '35
>>61558825The problem was also that enemy merchant ships mounting even 4 inch deck guns could sink submarines hence bigger guns would allow submarines to sink enemy merchants from a safe distance.
>>61558621https://youtu.be/Pr1Ip9aaHIA?t=86
The missing link between M2000 and Rafale, never produced.
>>61558713>we put a drone inside a drone.
>>61559735Why did I deserve this link?I do not understand.
They sure do seem to be stuck in the "lawn dart" milieu...
>>61558776What calibre is the Leduc?
>>61558515Do purple exhausts count as unconvencional?
>>61560695It isn't purple, the camera NIR filter is crap. You're watching the POV + visual of a sidewinder 9B
>>61558515Turbojet + ramjet + rocket boosterKind of the ancestor of the Blackbird.
>>61558597First thing that came to my mind as well
>>61559401>origin story of the angry marines
>>61562673AI sloppa
>>61562682It's a tank """stealth""" system demonstrator built on an AMX 30.
>>61558862Bros... Why oh why did the Munroe effect have to be discovered when it was?I just want a few extra decades worth of postwar steel monsters throwing large calibre conventional AP at each other...
>>61562697looks pretty visible to me
>>61562698>I just want a few extra decades worth of postwar steel monsters throwing large calibre conventional AP at each other...Like current year?APFSDS are AP...
>>61559083yes it is
Unconventional at the time, but the Caravelle was the first plane to have this engine configuration that so many airplanes use today.
>>61558825Typifies French design for me. They actually pay attention to the data that somehow everyone else ignores, but then somehow take it to a level verging on the eccentric.In mentality (an actual nationality) I am anglogang through and through, but my god do I love the French stuff. For me it will always be the amx-13. It must be the tracked vehicle that takes second place (After m113) for the sheer number of adaptations made to it by other countries, but those adaptations themselves tend to be very eccentric in lots of ways. I enjoy that other posters have taken my basic premise of "Hey, notice how people are retrofitting land systems to be more autonomous, the amx-13 is a natural fit for this as well" and are running with it. Indonesia's semi-recent decision to double down on it's upgrading rather than replacing the vehicle also tells me we won't see the back of this tank for a while yet, although it's not likely to look anything like it's original shape outside of Argentina. Whoever takes the VCI's off Mexico is likely to want those to be autonomous too.Whereever anyone had to deal with monsoons, or a mud season, light tanks will have their place.
>>61558699that's a Bong aeroplane, you flid
>>61562665Spaceballs?!
>>61560576.32 French Longue
>>61558846That's actually one of the best recon vehicles in service anywhere right now, so it doesn't count.
>>61558878>ventilateur>radiateur>moteur>conducteur>diagramme de l’interieur
>>61563729tfw no bird shaped aircrafthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YPKgoI6F0g&t=204s
>>61563799The Frogs straight-up converted this paddlewheeler and one of her sister ships into aircraft carriers in WWI. They were not only the fastest carriers in the French fleet, but some of the fastest in the world. No-one is entirely sure what happened to them after 1919; they were handed back to the original owners and disappear pretty much immediately.
>>61564347The problem with doing any research is, they share names with several Channel packets and ferries in the intervening time period. And also the French Navy having a severe problem with Fred Jane, but also being too busy to actually document the ship conversions.
>>61563934it's called an ornithopter you bigot
First french tank.
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>>61565724Odd looking rifle, how is it called?
>>61566182AR machine gun
>>61562665That neo-hoplite-style armor with armored kilt and sleeves would be a good idea today. Bullets aren't really that much of an issue; the big problem is getting a "to whom it may concern" package, containing 50k 1^3 mm bits of very fast metal, dropped next to you.
>>61562802>APFSDS are AP... I'd go so far and say that APFSDS are the logical end-point of those fukhueg arrows shot out of handgonnes, that were popular for a quick minute in the late 1300s.
>>61565529what is the concept here?
>>61566342
>>61563745A shame recon vehicles are horribly obsolete and by cheap aliexpress recreational drones no less I'm sure it would had performed well in 1980
How the fuck has nobody posted the gyroptere in here yet? It's a single bladed helicopter(?) that you sit in the middle of, and is counterweighted by the engine itself. I don't think it flew successfully at the time before it was scrapped, but people have built RC versions of these things and they did actually work with modern electronics. Apparently the 'cockpit' was also not perfectly in line with the center of mass on the prototype either so it would seriously rattle your bones
>>61566450Aha, because France is surely as incompetent and incapable of dealing with a states industry as Russia is.
>>61566342It was an IR camo, not ballistic protection.>>61566401To crush barbed wire networks.It didn't went well.
>>61566273Don't shitpost anonIt's an FN Fal
>>61566494How come all these revolutionary anti drone and active protection shit never make it to a real battle? Very mysterious, maybe they are not as effective as the marketing hype ?
>>61566686>false assumption followed by an assumption based on that assumption
i love french avant garde military designs
>drive me closer i want to hit them with my sword!
anti tank scooter
"gatling gun" cannon
tandem jet
one has to wonder, did the high fantasy genre inspire the french military, or did the french military inspire the high fantasy genre?
>>61566841Pour faire très court : on ne copie personne, et personne ne nous copieIn a nutshell : we don't copy anyone and no one is copying us
>>61566780>tie me to a missile and fire it at Tel Aviv.png
>>61563109>They actually pay attention to the data that somehow everyone else ignoresThis is why despite most people calling their shit weird or goofy it tend to work pretty well more often than not, they might sometimes get lost in the 4d chess but they actually are able to pull 4d chess moves which is pretty impressive you got to give them that.
>>61558515The french copies no one and everybody copies the french
>>61566451This seems like the kind of weird shit I’d love to fund if I was filthy rich and could spend money on such fancies. Not practical enough so that anyone concerned with profits or military performance would fund a project past early proto stage, but god it would be awesome to see one fly in a size large enough to carry a human.
>>61567102>what's the largest calibre you can mount on a vehicle?>yes
>>61559335I-is that a chain gun??
>>61567669>no stabiliserWhat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3awVXsK1AU
MAC Mle.1937, hmg project firing 9x66mm with either a 21g bullet at 780m/s or a 16g bullet at 850m/s.
>>6156995930rds magazine with a 7.5 French and 13.2 Hotchkiss.
>>61566841>or did the french military inspire the high fantasy genre?Look at how many militaire words come from France.We didn't go soft, it's just that the US didn't get the war on its own soil.(after an embarrassing failure to be quite FRANK, but it happen to the US all the time, just never against equal opponent)
>>61566850>In a nutshell : we don't copy anyone and no one is copying us>>61567077>The french copies no one and everybody copies the frenchWhich is it?(as I see it, other countries copied us a lot. But nowadays we don't have the budget to be far ahead so the US can actually fund all their crazy prototype, so we only independently develop equivalent to the US as they have photoshoot with their prototype)
>>61569870https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCAC_NC.2001_AbeilleTwin intermeshing rotor.
>>61567032What are those intakes on the v-tail?A form of blown air ruddervator?
>>61570865Pierre said they are actively working on it, it being tactical nooks, while they dropped the hypersonics for anti-ship purposes.
>>61558878>>61558883"unconventional" at the time but became the model for nearly every tank built since
>>61562665>I'm putting together a team... But we haven't got a lot of money
>>61571218It was a big bird in his family.
>>61558621Is he gonna crash into a light pole like that spaniard guy?
>>61571218why
>>61566859KEK
>>61573502Boosters for heavy load / short take off.
>>61573502Why not?
>>61570597If I remember correctly, it is cooling and/or air intake for the engines, which are behind the pilot. The whole thing is crazy.
>>61566401The second machine is straight out from Warcraft lol.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boirault_machine#Second_Boirault_machine
>>61558634I dream of a Surcouf swarm, and wake up teary-eyed. I know it's impractical, even antithetical to the jeune-ecole, yet long for the retarded situation where German cruisers have to worry about comically large shelling from the waterline.
>>61574544What about an SMX-25 swarm instead?38 knots surfaced, 16 VLS, a drone launching platform. Just add some turreted gun behind door bays at the front of the island and voila.
>>61558515I present you the TOC (témoin d'occupation de chambre).We have military troops patrolling the streets to counter terrorists threats...HOWEVER...France being France, they have to prove that the firing chamber is empty, because they are on civilian ground.Thus we created/adopted this weird thing to put on the chamber.
>>61570666Trips witnessed, evil Chauchat confirmed.
>>61577488always wondered if they can easily flick those out
>>61577370>SMX-25Remind me of pic
>>61558515>ywn see amx30's and mirage 3's crossing the rhine>ywn see lizard camoflauge, mat49's, mas49's, and famas equipped troops occupying the nuked ruins of berlin>ywn see the french empire rise like a phoenix to save europa once again>ywn see super etendards firing excocets at british warships in the english channel>ywn see total french dominationbros....i think we were cheated out of a french world......Yes I have the super etendard and mirage 3 mods for DCS, how could you tell?
>>61577498>always wondered if they can easily flick those outDon't know.But for the HK 416, they bought Hornady rapid rackhttps://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/06/11/french-army-adopts-hornady-rapid-rack/
>>61577488Sound like a good time for me to paste a list of all the funny acronym the French military have.>CA E S AR>CAmion Équipé d'un Système d'ARtillerieLiterally "Truck equipped with an artillery system">AMX10-RCAMX stand for: Atelier de issy-les-MoulinauX(place it was built at, we skip the issy yes)RC = Roue Canon(wheel + canon)If you see>NG>Nouvelle GenerationNew GenerationSome other french military acronym worth mentioning>CaRaPACE>Camion Ravitailleur Pétrolier de l’Avant à Capacité Étenduecarapace = animal shellliterally "extended range front line refueling truck">SOUVIM>système d’ouverture d’itinéraire minéLiterally "system to clear a road with land mine">FAMAS>Fusil D'Assaut De La Manufacture d'Armes De Saint-EtienneLiterally "rifle of weapon factory X">PA-MAS>Pistolet Automatique de la Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-ÉtienneSame for pistol>FÉLIN >Fantassin à Équipement et Liaisons IntégrésDérived from Felinae (cat)Integrated Infantryman Equipment and Communications>nEUROn drone prototypewordplay on neuron + Europe>MAGIC>Missile Auto-Guidé Interception et Combatthat's where it get magical>METEOR missile>Mogs Every Thirdie, Extreme Operational RangeOk, anon made up that one, it's not an acronym>MICA>Missile d’Interception, de Combat et d’Auto-défense>MILAN>Missile d'Infanterie Léger ANticharLightweight Infantry Anti-tank Missile>Radio CONTACT>COmmunications Numérisées TACTiques et de théâtre>Système ATLAS>Automatisation des Tirs et Liaisons de l'Artillerie Sol/solbasically: Linking Artillery together to automatize strike>Radar SPARTIATE>Système Polyvalent d’Atterrissage de Recueil de Télécommunication et d’Identification de l’AlTitudEfar-fetched one>Radar COBRAclassic: COunter-Battery RAdar>UMBC1000>Unité Mobile de Boulangerie de Campagne mille hommesIt makes baguettes>anon's joke: CAmion avec CAnon PRopulseur d'Obus UTilitaire>CACAPROUT"Poop + Fart" said in a childish way.
>>61577848And in a few years we will have the<PANG<Porte Avion de Nouvelle Génération New generation aircraft carrier
>>61578106Don't pay attention but I put ">" instead of "<" (I'm retarded)
>>61558634Thoughts on practicality of 40knot surface speed radar picket submarine using diesel electric?It’s reason for being is early aircraft warning for a carrier fleet. Only benefit over using a destroyer is the crew survive the incoming aircraft by diving to safety after radioing a warning to the fleet.Really I’m trying to find an excuse to make a 5,000 submarine cruiser without telling upfront.
>>61566811I believe that's a Mitrailleuse, not a Gatling (which has rotating barrels).
>>61573502French nikes are delivered by plane. In a cold war gone hot scenario you need to get that plane airborne ASAP. Also nukes are heavy.
>>61562670soooo, does that count as a cope cage?
>>61563745does it have an actual track record on the field, or are you saying on paper?
>>61567102The Pluton missile was a French nuclear-armed tactical ballistic missile (short-range ballistic missile, SRBM) system launched from a transporter erector launcher (TEL) platform mounted on an AMX-30 tank chassis.[1] It was designed to provide the tactical part of French nuclear deterrence during the Cold War.[2]
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>>61578217Its been pwning noobs in battlefield for quite a while now
>>61559069Transformer vibes
>>61568023Also comes in rifle form
>>61578190>French nukes are delivered by planeAt that time France had the holy nuclear trinity, planes + subs + silos.They got rid of the dilos now, but yeah the Mirage 4000 was typically a cold war plane.
>>61558621UFO!
>>61579456nice battle boom boxes.
>>61566435Baguette Boss
>>61577498Just rack the charging handle once. TOC is ejected, cartridge is chambered. Done.
>UMBC1000>Unité Mobile de Boulangerie de Campagne mille hommes
>>61580499Also most French Navy ships have a ship's cook AND a ship's baker, those are two different people and MOS
>>61567032Do the reverse wings give any advantage?
>>61566636It's clearly a G11
>>61558515>How many levels of French Interwar Tank design are you on Pierre?I don't know, maybe 3 or 4? >Hon hon hon, you are like a little baby. Regardez ca.
>>61580528>Also most French Navy ships have a ship's cook AND a ship's baker, those are two different people and MOSTo be fair, you can't expect a cook to know how to bake things.
>>61567077The 75 has killed more people than probably any other type of weapon in human history. For every gun made Franch had manufacture red 5 barrels as replacements iirc. ww1 fuckin sucked bro.
>>61577498>>61577755>>61580186Some muslim was FAMAS'd by a patrol at the Louvre few years ago, so I guess this gadget is 1. quick to get rid of2. therefore useless
>>61580658I love how the "land"ship has anchors...
>>61558515>since we're on the spectrumI'm curious what /k/ has to say about this.
Or this.
Or this maybe.
Also this.
And a squared one to end the combo. Maybe the five most known agencies/commands... ? Not sure. I don't even know if anybody knows them outisde frogland.
>>61567077>>61580704
>>61581156>>61581162>>61581173>>61581196>>61581224People have pretty basic understanding of government agencies, even here on /k/.It is a very dry topic to research and nobody really cares once you have something interesting. For fucks sake, CIA tortured and killed US citizens to see if they can brainwash them and nobody really gave a fuck when it came out.
>>61558621I wonder why didn't it become a meme?
>>61581162>>61581173I'm French and never heard about these agencies.Do you know this one ?In English>Group for studies and information on unidentified aerospace phenomenaThey work with the gendarmerie, air force etc, literally and officially X Files agency.>Of the approximately 1,600 cases in the GEIPAN files, some (approximately 3%) are classified as “type D aerospace phenomena, that is to say inexplicable despite the precision of the testimonies and the quality of the material elements collected”; “We have enough information, but we haven’t found an explanation. All the hypotheses that we have been able to formulate and analyze are not satisfactory.”Scully btfo once again.
>>61581393>I wonder why didn't it become a meme?Why would it?It may be funny but not honestly impressive anymore in our time.The brits have even more memetic jetpack because theirs use their hands to guide themselves a la Iron manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgtyHS59d_c
>>61581400NTAI heard about this report, caused quite a stir
>We don't live in a timeline where we have the song 'Autoroute vers la zone dangereuse' while French BVR swing wings fly overhead
>>61582202I never understood why they would put their pioneer equipment on the front of the hull.
>>61582525Ablative armor
>>61558515French autism has some sort of faggy grace
>>61582496Trop près pour les missiles, je passe au drapeau blanc
>>61558621One of the coolest shit ever....too bad it's completely useless on the battlefield. Great for having fun and civillian use, but 0 military applications.
>>61559069Great mobility sure, but very limited ammo on board. And if the ground is soggy, this thing will get trapped EZ, whereas a tracked SPG has a better chance of moving around.
> French military developers stunned the world with a new warship. Revolutionary weapon is a "submerged frigate" or, as the designers themselves call it, "surface submarine".
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>>61558553>RAAF MiragesAnyone got THAT picture? You know what I'm talking about
>>61584830Another stab at the Surcouf?
>>61584776Artillery have enough range to afford choosing where they move better.A tracked SPG is more costly, you can deploy less of them, have less redundancy in case of attack and take longer getting where they are needed.The CAESAR don't require a massive plane to be transported, nor an extra specialized truck.The 6x6 carry 18 roundsThe 8x8 carry 36 roundsBeing cheaper mean having 2 artillery truck instead of one.Extra rounds can be delivered to it by another cheap vehicle and since you are meant to GTFO of counter-battery ASAP you'll want to remain light.The real question is how many rounds you need in a short period of time. That depend on many criteria and the context.IMHO long range artillery have to be as light, as numerous as possible and only need the lightest armor for near miss because you don't intend to let enemy reach them in the first place.Holding the front and forcing the enemy to use their firepower is for other armored vehicles.
The Jeune École ("Young School") strategic naval conceptAt the end of the XIXth century, we decided that the best way to fight the Bongs ever-larger ships was to use a multitude of small, heavily armed vessels, especially submarines and torpedoe boats. So we built a lot of them. But it turned out it wasn't a very good idea>This "naval dust" soon proved its ineffectiveness: Poor seaworthiness, limited range, and inability to fight offshore.>The Fachoda crisis forced the French navy to make a serious comparison with the Royal Navy, and on January 11, 1899, the Conseil Supérieur de la Marine declared that it was in no position to oppose the Royal Navy. The lessons of the Russo-Japanese war of 1904 also brought theorists back to reality.>The theories of the "Jeune École" was at the root of the delay that handicapped the French navy until the outbreak of the First World War, when it had 118 torpedo boats in service, but only four dreadnoughts.
In the 1860s, France also developed a class of ram ships called "béliers-cuirassés" (literally "ironclad rams") for coast guard duties. The first one was the "Taureau" (The Bull). its maine weapon was its ram, with an artillery peace as a secondary weaponIt looked interesting
>>61581156>>61581162>>61581173>>61581196>>61581224French have good taste in logo design
>>61577370>>61584830>>61584831>>61584836>SMX-25Still wondering what the mission case for this kind of vessel.If it was only missiles an attack submarine could do it.It's meant to be faster than attack submarine when surfaced.It if have cannon it will be for small stuff, so I ignore that.It would have big radar so clearly it would manage better at anti-air and long range strike.Being able to submerge could be useful as it mean any attacker would require a special kind of missiles-torpedo to attack it if it have time to submerge.The big question is wether it don't make it an easy target for other submarines. It will only be stealthy surface if it does not use its radar. It can outspeed an enemy submarine IF it know one is coming.Secondary question is wether it is actually possible to have all this on one vessel and reach good performance.
Best ship of the line design was a baguette one
>>61584843>Another stab at the Surcouf?Not according to what is said about it. For a start because it don't have cannon and isn't meant to attack supply ships.It's described as tailored for speed, low-depth, missiles focus, 4x heavy torpedoes and especially for commandos troops, drones.So it sound like some crazy specific mission.It's not said to have nuclear propusion either so the range would be rather limited.
Baguette
>>61581288>>615814>I'm French and never heard about these agencies.For real ? Ok. Here are the basics.>>61581156>DGSEForeign intel and ops service, civilian and military alike, including black ops, report to Macron only (prime minister and defense minister sometimes maybe). The biggest and richest historical french service, the one everybody heard of.>>61581162>DRMMilitary Intel exclusive (but lot of civil servants inside), 30years of existence only, report to top 1 general and defense minister ; for official military ops only, including SOF; no black ops i've heard of but maybe im wrong>>61581173>DRSDMilitary security service basically, former "military police", inside surveillance, inside investigations, infrastructure security, and so on ; basically the guys who monitor insiders and all attacks against frog defense environment. Report to defense minister I believe.>>61581196>COSSOF high command. That is all. Report to top 1 general and probably Macron himself because who doesn't like SOF guys ?>>61581224>DGAProcurement agency. Military programs and armement export policies mostly. Also monitoring french defense industry. Dont know if this kinda agency exists elsewhere. Report to top 1 armement official and defense minister and probably Macron.>>61581400>geipanFunny group yeah, not an agency per se. You can google it + Jean-Pierre Petit for weird kek
>>61585563>GEIPANIsn't it just the aaayyy lmao division of CNES? NASA probably has something like that too...
>>61567077Underrated
>>61577848>FÉLIN>Fantassin à Équipement et Liaisons Intégrésdonc tout les gens dans l'infanterie sont des cat boys/girls ou Ecaflip pour les fans de Dofus
>>61582525That's not even the weirdest bit. The ARL is built either on the same chassis or with the same suspension system as the B1 Bis, I forget. And for storage and transportation that whole cannon retracts back into the turret so the breach is actually sticking out a hole in the rear
>>61585563>no black ops i've heard of but maybe im wrongYou only hear about black ops when they failed.I'm telling you only this: There was no nuclear war last year because France sabotaged Putin's nukes as they were brought out, to this day he's still too afraid to use real warhead in case it happen again.
>>61585795Une véritable armée de furies
>>61584830>u-boat designers be like>...
>>61586992>u-bros be like>vive de diffrance>Alsace-bros be like> *confused bilingual noises*
>>61585563>>geipan>Funny group yeah, not an agency per se. You can google it + Jean-Pierre Petit for weird kekIt's part of the CNES, not exactly an obscure group.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNES
>>61587042Not exactly obscure, neither CNES's diamond tip. Because seventies/eighties politics, COMETA and it's whole story. Good piece of reading, really. Today, it's not as "muh aliens" oriented.
>>61588531>>61588538Retrospectively I think our grandparents were not eco responsible.
>>61588955>black lung is just an excuse for being lazy, back to the mines til you get your first pube
>>61570597Some dude actually built one and died in the test flight
>>61589647/chug/ is down the hall to the right, sister.
>>61558515The Lebel is pretty strange when you realize it was over engineered to be able to safely store rifle cartridges in a tube magazine rather than just give the gun a normal box magazine instead.They created a problem and a solution just for shits and giggles I guess?>>61581162I hate DRM (in muh vidya). I dunno what to make of French DRM though...
>>61589647Dude this guy never existed in the first place, he's just pure bullshit from the troll farms created to feed the chug and far rights schizos blogs.
>>61589647>the russian foreign ministry expressed a peotest>nooo let us invading a country peacefullylel
>>61590140Tovarish, why do you let your soldier fight mother Russia, isn't Russia weak, no? You don't need to help, stop helping. Why don't you stop helping, there's no need.
>>61584762What you mean? Imagine Allied troops at Normandy having this.
>>61558883She was still in service a decade ago.
>>61580597It's a psychology tactic.It makes the enemy think you're flying in reverse.
>>61589647>french unit calling itself JaegerLol
>>61577488Once every retarded goat fucker jihadi know about this we will look very stupid. Sigh.>>61577606Yes same vibe. DCNS, now Naval Group, made many of these retarded concepts to show off and prove they were thinking out of the box ans stuff. The SMX-31 was supposed to hold 56 weapons mostly in tubes non-reloadable at sea for example.>>61578177The excuse was it looked rad as fuck and made the bongs seethe because it was called Surcouf.>>61578190>French nikes are delivered by plane.Only when the customer is some surburban rapper thug anon.Ah sorry you meant "nukes".In which case I need to remind you The Mirage IV was not alone, there was a nuclear triad back then.>>61579377IV, not 4000.>>61581224>>61585563>Dont know if this kinda agency exists elsewhere.It's literally the French DARPA with more prerogatives.>>61585795Yes.>>61586573>Une véritable armée de furiesYes. That's why Italians once called the French combativeness "la furia Francese".In fact the damn pizzamen were calling us furries.>>61589844Yes. It's what the French do.DRM is basically the French TF2 Spy but only taking pictures and not actually killing anybody.Pic and video related, another show of French autism, CNIM's L-CAT. A catamaran with a mobile bridge design allowing it to transform into a barge.>https://youtu.be/xRn7LhCcRPQWorks incredibly well but still autistic.
>>61591732>CNIM's L-CATOh nice one, it's true that if something count as crazy stuff it's this landing ship.Is there even any equivalent?
>>61591249Their name means "alpine hunters", hunter in german is Jäger, it's a translation mix. But nowhere in France would you hear them call themselves with a german name. They are our mountain troops.
Daft Punk genesis.
>>61566435>PolicijaNot French.>PoliceFrench.
>>61592694Its Slovenian and I think they got the armour perfect.
>>61578292>That range>Can't nuke Moscow, but nuking Germany instead of letting the commies seize it is a sacrifice nous sommes prêts à faire
>>61593354Well, I mean, if the ruzzians are at our border already... Worst case scenario you get a nuclear wasteland separating Western Europe from them, so... win?
>>61577488>>61577498isnt this just basically a chamber flag
>>61592694Little story:>middle of PARISI was once taking a bus to my job.Saw >20 horses pass byClearly preparation for our 14 Juillet military parade....then behind them I saw 3 street-cleaning vehicles moving in formation to clean all their shits and doing a good job at that.
>>61589844>I hate DRM (in muh vidya). I dunno what to make of French DRM though...>>61591732>DRM is basically the French TF2 Spy but only taking pictures and not yctually killing anybody.Yeah DRM is basically J2 aka military internal intel services operating various technical and human military sensors (GEOINT, SIGINT, CYBER, HUMINT etc) and overall situation awareness and analysis. It's not a "secret service" and they don't fight per se. They advise military commands (both field and HQ), and have close ties with SOF and various Army/Navy/Air intel units. The background is interesting, as DRM was created after the Gulf war because french military felt too dependent of US intel and somehow neglected by DGSE who operate under PR direct supervision. Everything is public knowledge, you can google/youtube former DRM director's interviews. Guy is running for european elections.
>>61573502French nuclear doctrine permits an up-to 300KT nuclear warning shot, which the ASMP missile delivers. Because this is a "pre-strategic" action, the frogs decided that it being air-deployed is a better idea than ground deployed.Launching a nuke from a bunker is overtly aggressive and would be interpreted by the hostile country as a "my way or the highway" action, whereas having a jet ominously floating around your borders is a little more "we're open to negotiation".
>>61590679PULL!
>>61565724>>61566273AR-34
>>61584927>kamikaze shipIt makes sense, France was the last country to operate galleys.
>>61559335>>615783656mm Flobert so nobody gets hurt?
>>61558515Its like a space penis dildo
>>61577488I'd put a TOC in every nignog's rifle.
>>61584830This one is like an underwater space penis dildo
>>61580567Double flying dildo with dual mounted penis>>61579456Rocket mounted penis launcher
>>61565724Penis with carry handleVery odd that french love long penile looking devices so much?
>>61596182No badmouthing the coolest weapon ever made
>>61594990>kamikaze shipWell, it was supposed to survive encounters with the enemy. But they never got the opportunity to fight, so we'll never know
>>61558621The thing I love about Macron is this: he has the ultimate Gallo-Roman phenotype. Brachycephal, broad face, the wide jaw and distinct dentition. Short, stout build. Light eyes but tan skin, with light brown hair. I can easily imagine this guy leading his troops to their deaths in the Teutonic forest. What a fucking lad.
>>61597466>leading his troops to their deaths in the Teutonic forest. That's a legend not history.
>>61597466As much as I respect him ONLY and SOLELY for what he do, fucking first president to willingly threaten Putin bullshit's.He does have the charisma for the job....which is why a big part of the French HATE HIM AND his KNOW IT ALL ATTITUDE and would vote for a Putin support just to spite him.(because he's right and people fucking hate being told they are wrong, but that another topic).
>>61599688>out of nowhere anon decides to whine about muh far right>get Hitler dubskekEt calme-toi avec ta propagande. Personne n'a oublié l'attitude de Macron avant son réveil tardif.
>>61599875>diplomacy first is bad>soft power isn't a thingYou are part of the problem.But I agree we should stay on topic an post French stuff.
>>61600125>You are part of the problem.No I'm not.I've always hated commie fags. Just because for some reason a part of the far right has forgotten who the real enemy is doesn't makes me 'part of the problem' especially when I have to do the job of reminding these people day after day Macron and Putin are two faces of the same coin, aka ill-intended commie fags.As a reminder Le Pen supports helping Ukraine but abstained from voting Macron's help package since the plan is half-retarded and was voted anyway. Meanwhile your little far left buddies, the Hamas lovers, congoids and their woke enablers, all voted against it because muh nazis bad, muh white man bad, muh white Europe bad.You are incoherent and people like you are the very reason why we're in shit in the first place. Your arrogance made people so angry many became ready to listen to fucking Putin, and now guys like me have to do the cleanup every fucking day, showing them NAFO retards are not the actual real supporters of Ukraine, proving them it is worthy supporting real Ukrainians who are on the same page as them. Showing them all the shitty Melenchon-tier leftist parties have been banned in Ukraine which is a good thing, while Russians can't even criticize illegals in their own country without ending up in jail.But then I get fags like you undoing this work and calling them enemy assets, while Macron on the other hand insists 'there is no enemy within in France' ; except there is one, his leftarded pantyfa brownoid Putinist Hamas-supporting bunch of thugs and goons who all voted him into power.It's all so tiresome. You don't get to play fireman after being an arsonist. Years ago Macron wanted to get rid of the nuclear force for fuck sake. Pic related.Macron at least partly enabled Putin.French nationalists said 'we need to rearm' 20 years ago. They were mocked. Now we can't even build 50k 155mm rounds per year.And you have the gall to call me part of the problem?Fuck off.
>>61600450Macron is an idiot, but somehow other Europeans and Americans think he is intelligent. He thought the French nuclear weapons were useless, even Attali told him he was a fucking idiot. He wanted to destroy the French nuclear energy industry, and sold the turbines Arabelle to the Americans, only to buy them back later. He was also happy to close the nuclear plants before doing a 180° (like usual). He is always wrong, and people think he's intelligent because he spends much of his time trying to undo the wrongs he did.
>>61600585Macron wasn't responsible for that turbines bullshit, being in the government don't mean you have control over everything.In fact Macron is the one who brought them back:https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-services/energie-environnement/nucleaire-le-rachat-des-turbines-arabelle-par-edf-otage-de-la-guerre-en-ukraine-1977573The American weaponized their legal system and quite simply took a crooked CEO hostage in exchange of Alstom selling that company to the US.They've been doing that for multiple companies and also tried to take control of Airbus, but that attempt failed.
>>61600450Changed my mind and deleted a post. Not worth going that much off-topic for your hypocrisy Mr "go easy on the propaganda".Just two things:- Le Pen wanted to block even sanction against Russian. The Far right want Russian's 5th column to destroy Europe.- Macron have the strongest stance in favor of nuclear deterrence, that pic of yours is politic-journalism.- Far left are retard who can't take any responsibility yes, but Far right is as much of an enemy within.
>>61604151>le chonque
>>61600222The famasest FAMAS ever in the hands of the dumbest girl possible lmao, nice picture.
>>61604199Sexy.
>>61604489SNECMA>we produce turbojet enginesAirforce>can you build a plane?...>say no more
>>61604635>SNECMA BALLS
>>61600585>Macron is an idiot, but somehow other Europeans and Americans think he is intelligent. He thought the French nuclear weapons were useless, even Attali told him he was a fucking idiot.Exactly. And considering Attali is a phony boomer who has been consistently wrong on every account since 1980, that's quite a feat to be scolded by him on a topic he's right about for once.>He wanted to destroy the French nuclear energy industry, and sold the turbines Arabelle to the Americans, only to buy them back later.Yes. Just a caveat though, the turbines are not bought back yet. General Electric refuses to sell the patent back.>He was also happy to close the nuclear plants before doing a 180° (like usual).Yes, Fessenheim in Alsace. Two 900mw Westinghouse PWR which used to be the oldest but also safest plant in France. Macron under Hollande still closed it to please Germany which for its part was buying Russian gas to replace their own nuclear power plants.Then the supporters of this guy call us 'traitors'.>>61600791>- Le Pen wanted to block even sanction against Russian.France under Macron is now the biggest EU buyer of Russian gas. French companies massively invested in Russia even after 2014 and especially after 2017 when Macron pushed them to. France became the first foreign employer in Russia thanks to Macron.>The Far right want Russian's 5th column to destroy Europe.The far right fights against Russia's fifth columnists in France aka Francophobic criminals enabled by Macron.>- Macron have the strongest stance in favor of nuclear deterrence, that pic of yours is politic-journalism.Macron wanted to get rid of it but he has 'the strongest stance'? What a joke. Going through the motions is not a stance.>- Far left are retard who can't take any responsibility yes, but Far right is as much of an enemy within.Nonsensical.I'll keep working on bringing back patriots Macron hurt so hard they became Putinists, but please reflect upon your opinions too.
Anyway back to the topic.A Pluton nuclear missile test firing. Missiles had range of 120km. We couldn't keep these because they would land onto Germany the day they'd be used. So they were replaced with Hadès missiles with a range of 480km. Which were therefore still supposed to land on Germany the day they'd be used.topkekI'm nostalgic of a time France knew how to troll people.
Vextra 8x8 with an L44 120mm FER Faible Effort de Recul gun. The whole thing was basically a lighter Leclerc turret with less recoil thanks to the muzzle brake.This could have been the first 8x8 equipped with a 120mm NATO gun on the market and should have been what the EBRC, standing for Engin Blindé à Roues de Contact, became. Except the Renault X8A chassis, was chosen instead as a basis for the VBCI which killed the very promising VEXTRA prototype which would have been a PITA to maintain but had really impressive performances.>https://youtu.be/-SWyezLgSisThen even the VBCI was deemed too expensive as a EBRC and that's we have the Jaguar now. Nexter nevertheless tries to sell the VBCI, or rather a slightly different VBCI2, armed with a 40CTAS turret since they have designed in house at least 3 different manned or unmanned turreted variants.>https://youtu.be/6dhtKAs04N8
>>61577488I'd put my big anglo TOC in her dirty gallic chamber, if you know what I mean.
No Grifon posted yet? Disappointing, it's the most sci fi aesthetic plane you can imagine.
>>61607552In the first video you can see several configurations for the Vextra.One with a TARASK 25mm single seater turret, another very autistic French thing which evolved into VBCI's DRAGAR turretAnother one with a TML105 turret derivative of the AMX10RC's TK105 but this time armed with a real NATO 105mm and not the AMX10RC's low pressure 105.And lastly, conducting stating firing, the 120 FER variant which had a really high elevation that could have allowed it to provide indirect fire with NLOS ammunition, mainly the POLYNEGE 120mm shell, pic related, which program was sadly shelved years ago as deemed unnecessary and too expensive. Its technologies have now been reoriented towards a future 140mm variant for the Ascalon gun.
>>61607580Yes it was. >>61561043
>>61607600Oop, my bad.
The contraption that could have become the AUF3. Same gun as the Caesar, 35 metric tons, no turret, 35 rounds stored horizontally with an autoloader.Translated for your pleasure.
How to kill a maritime patrol aircraft with a submarine.
>A Legion officer is stationed in N'djamena.>A Mirage F1 gets drunk and bets the legionnaire he can tip off his beret from his head by flying a low pass just inches above him.>Pilot adds the legionnaire will probably duck and cower anyway.>Legionnaire states he will stand still and his beret will stay on his head.>There are people around and they heard everything.>Too late to dismiss the whole thing as a joke now.>Both parties proceed.>No ducking and cowering, beret stays on head>Mirage F1 pilot has to pay lots of drinks now.Dare I say, basé?
>Guys what if we gave the Rafale an internal gun that fires very fast?>You mean like a gatling or something?>No we need a single barrel revolver cannon.>So you mean something like a 1800 RPM Russian GSh30?>You are like a little baby, watch this.
>You see, Jerome>When firing with your back turned towards the enemy>They won't know for sure if you shot at them>Or if you simply farted in their general direction>Honhonhonhonhonhonhon
>>61607974>Getting a traumatic brain injury over a stupid bet is SO BASEDThe military is kinda retarded when you think about it, really.
>>61597466Imagine simping for a retarded charisma vacuum that fails at literally everything he does
>>61608150woman moment
>>61584830Honestly I think it's geniusI hope they make it though I know they won't
Posting one component of France's nuclear deterrence, ASMP-R improved as part of 2018's LPM air&sea renewal of nuclear deterrence.(link for the Francophone) https://www.calameo.com/read/0003316272398331fb18f?page=41>>61607412>Nuclear deterrence stanceQuit your bullshit, he constantly improved nuclear deterrence, Macron is ok for France to become the nuclear shield of Europe (instead of the US) which would increase France's geopolitical importance. While Le Pen is desperately trying to counter that good idea with stupid nonsense.>biggest EU buyer of Russian gasLogical result of being a giant in Europe who mainly resell said gas to other countries. it just mean when France decreased import by 70% it did so slower than Germany. Reminder Le Pen still want no sanction on Russian gas.>Nuclear energyMacron signed for 6 new EPR (+8 more option) and Fessenheim was superfluous because France have more nuclear power plant than it need. Fessenheim would have closed after the first EPR started if the later didn't take more year of delays in the face.At least you admit a part of your "patriot" are basically pro-Putin, you just deny the nationalist parties (like the RN) still want Russia's favors.Can't blame you from using a political opponent as a scapegoat for not fully countering the US industrial war when he was a new minister.
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Talking about French experiment, the Rafale version A (prototype, no fuel probe) once took off from the Aircraft-carrier Clemenceau on a extended launch ramp installed for the occasion.I'm still looking for photos of said ramp, I didn't see it on the internet.
>>61608495At least there's the video of the tests on the Foch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkqE4PxjmA
>>61608539>>61608495That's not the A version.Hint: it's literally written on it.
>>61608461>Quit your bullshit, he constantly improved nuclear deterrenceHow?>Macron is ok for France to become the nuclear shield of Europe (instead of the US) which would increase France's geopolitical importance. While Le Pen is desperately trying to counter that good idea with stupid nonsense.LOL. France replacing the USA in Europe. Right.>https://thebulletin.org/2024/05/france-wants-to-extend-its-nuclear-umbrella-to-europe-but-is-macron-ready-to-trade-paris-for-helsinki/I'll let people ITT school you on this.Just answer this question: what will happen if France is targeted after an escalation in which France played no role in the first place? How will Macron stop this? By confiscating the foreign policy of all European countries? LMAO>Logical result of being a giant in Europe who mainly resell said gas to other countries.France? A 'giant gas resseller'? Almost all of our Russian imports are for local consumption.>it just mean when France decreased import by 70% it did so slower than Germany.A child's excuse.>Reminder Le Pen still want no sanction on Russian gas.Sanctioning something we still buy is retarded.What hurts Russia is to cut all imports. Macron should have been able to find other acceptable suppliers. He did not.>Macron signed for 6 new EPR (+8 more option) and Fessenheim was superfluous because France have more nuclear power plant than it need.This is the worst take I've ever read on this topic to date.If plant closures keep going France is still going to have LESS nuclear power in the coming decades exactly when it will need it the most. None of these EPR2 will be put into service before 2050.>Fessenheim would have closed after the first EPR started if the later didn't take more year of delays in the face.Fessenheim was the plant in the best shape among all 900mw French PWRs according to the ASN. In the United States, the same reactors are cleared to operate for 80 years. Fessenheim was cut off after only 42 years.Explain.
>>61608495>the Rafale version A (prototype, no fuel probe) once took off from the Aircraft-carrier Clemenceau on a extended launch ramp installed for the occasion.>I'm still looking for photos of said ramp, I didn't see it on the internet.You're mixing things up, that's why you don't find anything on this.The Rafale A did mock up landings, basically a go around involving the jet getting as close as 2 feet above the deck. Touching the deck would have meant crashing the plane. Test pilot Yves Kerhervé did marvelously well.>https://youtu.be/KfD7niLcVJE?t=289A resume of that video segment.The French navy did not believe the Rafale could do carrier landings and wanted to buy F-18 off the shelf.People told Dassault a delta wing would never land on a carrier because deltas had fast approach speeds.Fly by wire and canards allowed jets to land slower so Dassault had to prove they could do a naval jet.On april 30 1987 Yves Kerhervé brought the Rafale A in approach of the Clemenceau carrier. They wanted to demonstrate Rafale's ability to land on a carrier. It didn't have the structural sturdiness to do a touch and go else it would have been broken. So he was putting the throttle back on once at roughly 50cm of the flight deck.Then there were were two Rafale Marine prototypes, the M01 and M02, both built after the Rafale C01, which is very different from the A and did its first flight on May 19, 1991.The M01 made its first flight on December 12, 1991, piloted by Yves Kerhervé. It is almost identical to the Rafale C01. The first 39 catapult tests and the first four simulated runway landing tests (ASSP, Appontage Simulé sur Piste) were carried out from July 8 to September 23 in 1992 in the United States at the Naval Air Warfare Center at Lakehurst in New Jersey then at Patuxent River in Maryland.In total there were 5 Rafale prototypes. single seater A, single seater C01 aka the black Rafale, B01twin seater with a cool bicolor livery, M0, and M02.
>>61609338>LOL. France replacing the USA in Europe. Right.>>https://thebulletin.org/2024/05/france-wants-to-extend-its-nuclear-umbrella-to-europe-but-is-macron-ready-to-trade-paris-for-helsinki/Did you even read that article? It tell it's obviously hard but geopolitically the obvious good idea. The problem is no different with the US and Trump sure wouldn't trade his capital (Florida) for Berlin and NATO can't use US nuke on their own.>Explain.Ok but short. You'll find most of your answer in that link, unlike a certain politician the current government isn't betting everything on nuclear power, untaxed fossil fuel or hydrogen, it won't remove all wind turbine & solar panel, this is why one old nuclear power plant we kept turning on/off to because of local need/maintenance, is more superfluous than for the US who desperately need it non-stop and might regret not replacing it sooner.https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/transitions-ecologiques/transition-energetique-le-programme-extravagant-et-inquietant-de-marine-le-pen-913793.html
>>61608933>>61609536Thanks for catching that. I forgot they didn't filled the Marine as prototype A.Basically I was referencing the modification made to the Foch to allow the would be Rafale M to operate, they've extended a bit the runway, even if in the end only the Rafale M01 & 02 would be tested on it.Vive les Canards.
>>61608071>~40 rounds per secondHow?
>>61609674>Did you even read that article? It tell it's obviously hard but geopolitically the obvious good idea.You haven't either apparently, or haven't understood it, as it is conveniently forgetting the legal framework in which anything could happen. Yeah, a mere detail in the country of article 49.3 allowing JVPITER to disregard the parliament, I know.Dealing with nukes or their technologies to a country or an institution is illegal for any signatory of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, aka all of the non nuclear EU states minus the NATO nuclear sharers.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons#United_States–NATO_nuclear_weapons_sharingIt is possible with old allied nuclear countries like the USA and the UK. Pic related.Sharing anything with anyone else would create a nightmarish precedent and break the NPT.>https://disarmament.unoda.org/wmd/nuclear/npt/textRead Articles I, II, III-1, III-2, VI, VIII-1, VIII-2, VIII-3, IX-2 (France not mentioned LOL) IX-3, and X-1. Your ideas contradict all of these.>The problem is no different with the US and Trump sure wouldn't trade his capital (Florida) for Berlin and NATO can't use US nuke on their own.Trump is not the current US President. Why are you bringing him up?>You'll find most of your answer in that linkI didn't. They quote Terra Nova, a leftist antinuclear think tank, say SMRs would not be ready in 2031 when Macron himself has pushed forward for these to be ready in the early 2030s, it's also very ironic to see them defend wind turbines after the annus horribilis Siemens Gamesa just went through.>this is why one old nuclear power plant we kept turning on/off to because of local need/maintenance is more superfluous than for the US who desperately need it non-stop and might regret not replacing it sooner.You have obviously no idea what you're talking about.The RN may be full of retards but at least they're self-aware.
>>61609871>How?Revolver cannon with 7 chambers.For a single barrel weapon it's a lot, but not so much for a Gatling.Cool video about making the whole thing.>https://youtu.be/z6LAEMi396c
French mock up of a variant of ONERA's LEA hypersonic missile with canards undergoing wind tunnel testing. The final model may be extremely different.If adding canards to a hypersonic missile is not autistic I don't know what is.
Somewhere in a sikrit squirrel French laboratory>- You see Jean-Pierre, an air-breathing aerospike looks like a good idea for an hypersonic weapon zat must maneuver around.>- Well zat is correct Jean-Charles but an SSTO rocket also looks like a good idea, oui?>- But Jean-Pierre what better shape than the cone to facilitate reentry?>- Well Jean-Charles let's turn a whole hypersonic missile into an SSTO rocket with an aerospike that goes into space before coming down and see what happens.>- Honhonhonhonhonhon>- HONHONHONHON
>>61584762It's fine if you're not trying to be too sneaky, like boarding operations
