>be soldier in the XI Corps on May 2, 1863>be sitting down for dinner>suddenly rabbits and foxes come hopping through your camp from the nearby woods, first a handful, then dozens>look out towards the woods>there can't possibly be anything out there>see the top of a flag start appearing over the horizon>suddenly, autistic screeching, the likes of you've never conceived of before, echos literally everywhere>hundreds of Confederate soldiers burst out of the trees, bayonets fixed, running right at youWhat do?
>>61549274wait until they shoot their best general by mistake later that night
Shit bricks and run.Lincoln isn't paying me enough potatoes for this shit
>>61549505>this is what unrestricted internet access does to a person
>>61549274as a Canadian I would probably join them I have a soft spot for them, the only people who really hate them are ellis islanders and people who came in the 80s and 90s. I have seen people with yankee ancestors respect themalso here is a cool find a soldier for you guys https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-soldiers.htm
The venn diagram of NAFO posters and Unionists is a perfect circle
Bump
>>61550878NAFO posters aren't that based.
>>61550859>who came in the 80s and 90sIt's 1863 so, 1780s and 1790s?
>>61549274I continue running up the hill and bury my bayonet in the first Yank I see.
>>61551525> paying half my income to the feds so they can redistribute what they don't pocket to blacksUnbelieveably based hail lincoln
>>61551548im talking ellis islanders in the 1920s and others who came in the 1980s and 1990s always have to live through the civil war proxy despite their family living in a straw hut in laos
>>61551596>>61551572I am not too familiar with American history, but didn't the Northern States win the war?
>>61551683If you don't like it you can leave it. Don't take the land with you and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>>61549274Call Lincoln a fag and try to fit in
>>61551748to the detriment of literally everyone everywhere, yes
>>61549274Those bunnies must have been from some home for disabled rabbits to be unable to outrun a bunch of malnourished graycoats.
obama was president twice as long as the confederacy existed lmao
>>61551748You are dealing with “Lost Causers” or at least anti-federalists larping as such. They are immune to facts, just tell them they wouldn’t be ignorant of a woman’s touch if they just went and fucked a black girl like their fathers and grandfathers, etc, before them. >>61554095You don’t have to marry her, just get your dick wet.
>>61551450>>61551572>>61551683>>61554095You lost a war that you asked for and started. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Southerners were always too stupid to run their own nation and you should thank us every single day for winning instead of letting you turn into an even bigger disaster. You owe your entire miserable existence to northern industry and prosperity. the south continues to be a net loss and a parasite on the nation's finances and be a borderline third-world tier shithole that denigrates our national image, in no small part because you chose to stew in bitterness for 250 years about being unable to treat human beings like livestock and fuck your cousins. the south hasn't contributed anything good to this country except barbecue. Sherman really didn't go far enough, if Lincoln hadn't been so lenient during reconstruction and cut out the cancer entirely, maybe the south would have had a shot at being decent instead of dragging the country down in every metric of national development. Drive your overcompensation Ford Super Duty right off a cliff you obese welfare state white trash faggot.
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>>61554975>for 250 years*150
>>61554975Southerners are so stupid it's crazy. Those unemployed, uneducated serfs went to war so their lords wouldn't have to build railroads and factories.
>>61555017And the north literally went to war for niggers.
>>61556938The modern equivalent would be if southerners went to war for corporations rights to employ immigrants at below minimum wage instead of Americans. Honestly it’s baffling how you “people” can romanticise losing a war for the financial prospects of your betters(at your own expense)
https://youtu.be/Ez9Emsj7cas?si=ngcsSor-UnWeM_hY
>>61549466fpbp
>>61555017> I pay 50% of my income to the feds, but at least I'm not a serf!
>>61549274Die peacefully knowing I done my part in killing White people
>>61551548People with a shorter legacy in the US than the VCR
Quickly apologize to the confederates for making those cope cage threads
>>61556965> if southerners went to war for corporations rights to employ immigrantsIf this also entailed said immigrants couldn't own property or vote, then you'd be pants on head retarded not to advocate for it
>>61557394Are you saying the south didn’t have taxes? Because it sure as fuck did
>>61549274>what doRaze everything below the Mason Dixon to the ground.
>>61558095Immigrants already can't vote until they get citizenship Anon.Not being able to open property would just be actively harmful. Immigrant labor drives down wages by making labor more plentiful but drives it back to (and higher) by increasing demand. If you prevented them from owning property you'd just get the first part.Also most immigrants aren't buying houses, if that's what you mean. Working ones, anyways. Your solution would completely fail to catch Chinese, Saudi, or Russian wealthy coming to store their wealth in real estate their governments can't reposses.1/10 see me after class
>>61554621I do fuck black girls though.
>>61549274Yeah
>>61559354They love white chocolate
>>61555017>Southerners are so stupid it's crazy. Those unemployed, uneducated serfs went to war so their lords wouldn't have to build railroads and factories.< One day, anon, you will perhaps learn about the sanctity of Lawful Private Property. Or you will remain a broke-ass Loser ful” of Pride at how other people got robbed of their accumulated wealth, but never equating the link between your attitude and the fact that you are, and remain, a broke-assed peasant Loser.
>>61559014Lincoln wanting to relocate the slaves was a myth. In fact, in his D.C. emancipation(which proceeded the nationwide emancipation) he explicitly barred all slaves from being forcefully relocated, even if given compensation. He carried this sentiment until his death
>>61559260>immigrants can't voteLol, just lmao>can't be against interlopers AND foreign investors abusing property marketsFalse dichotomy.I'm sorry anon, but I'm forced to schedule a conference with your parents
>>61549466But neither Robert E. Lee nor Richard Taylor were ever victims of friendly fire during the Civil War.
>>61549274What if....hear me outA Confederate soldier gets Isekai'd into WW2? How funny would that be...haha.
>>61565583Most servicemen were Confederate descendants, so he'd probably get the mascot treatment, and be a focal point for morale, regailing the new breed with battles of yore
>>61549274>What do?Join them.Fuck the D.C city-state, everyone in it and the godless forced "union" of harlots and helots that has made possible every modern evil in the world.
>>61554975>>61555017You seem to have a particularly deep-seated hatred for Southern white people. Surely then it would preferable if they had their own country that was separate from yours?
>>61565270I'll agree the Robert E lee was better (at least tactically), but Taylor is a literally who that did nothing of note so Jackson is well ahead of him
>>61554975Southern states have the highest population of niggers. Why are you so racist anon?
>>61565892>Taylor is a literally who that did nothing of note Taylor was literally a rtigadier General under Jackson during the valley campaign, and his brigade served as the tip of the spear for most of that campaign. His performance was so exceptional he received praise from Jackson himself and was immediately promoted to Major General, the youngest in the Confederacy. After taking command in Louisiana, he would dab on Yankees who greatly outnumbered him regularly, ruin Banks' reputation worse than Jackson did, and nearly take back New Orleans. Yeah, none of what he did had any greater strategic ramifications for the war, but you can say the same for Jackson really.
>>61565868The civil war flag that causes the most seethe is the 28th Virginia's battle flag.
>>61549274>mostly naked, shreds of tattered uniforms hanging from their scarecrow frames
>>61565776
>>61549274
>>61551683Much better for all the Jew plantation owners to have free labor.
>>61551907>If you don't like it you can leave it.That's exactly what they were doing you moron.
Whoops don't mind me just posting the two best Generals of the war.
>>61567030Why the FUCK do they do that? Do they not know what headphones are? Groids always do that in the grocery store where I live.
>>61567393how the fuck is it free exactly?>>61567437their men might not agree. remember cold harbor and petersburg
>>61567437Grant was great. Sherman was not. Read about his conduct earlier in the war.>but muh March to the SeaWho was there to oppose him? No one competent, that's for sure.
>>61567543Bory and JJ were competent they just had no bodiesHiram was a butcher plain and simple, he knew he had more bodies than the CSA had ammo
>>61567555Confederate seethe is always so fucking funny to see.It's been over a century, bro. You lost. Get over it.
>>61567555The goal of the union was to uphold the union, not free slaves like every woke numale seems to think these days. The north was racist as fuck just like the south (just like everyone back then), the emancipation proclamation was literally 4d chess by the union to get blacks to revolt against the south.
>>61549274fix my bayonet and soften up those filthy yanks to help the rebels out.
>>61567653the amount of battle flags still flying would seem to indicate otherwise, and i know you dont think thats funny at all>>61567674but they didnt revolt tho. niggers only play 2d chess
>>61567653lol fuck off. it's you yankee faggots always bringing it back up.
>>61567555all the north could do was bury the south in bodies. it's a pretty easy strategy when you have endless streams of immigrants hopping off the boats and into union uniforms.
>>61549274>What do?Fix bayonet and counter charge, I’m probably going to get a Bowie in the gut but it’s 1863, bad things always happing in 1863.>>61559354Based
>>61567837Yeah the whole thing was pretty much a nothingburger aside from the manufactured praise it gets today.
>>61567674>akshually the Unionwas the based racists all along!This is worse cope than any Confederate head canon
>>61567872is this the cope the pawpaws of the nigsouth tell their spawn?
>>61567907I'm afraid to tell you that we hardly think of you, except that is when you all move down here having ruined your home-states.
>ITT: Gay redditoid Norwood seethe directed at people who didn't want to be subject to gayniggerindustrialists and instead practiced sophisticated aristocracy (but it harmed le heckin coons so its bad or something)
>>61567914so "yes"I've never lived in a state that surrendered to something. That's cool for you guys.
>>61567897>my edgy racist persona is the only way i can represent my individualism in my sad life so i'll project that every chance i cansorry you picked the side that lost a war >150 years after the fact and can't let it go
>>61566973Or is it the flag of the Army of Tennessee?Anyway, the amount of seething that it causes among shitlibs, politicians, coons, bureaucrats, sodomites and other nonhuman undesirables; and the fact that it crops up spontaneously anywhere that someone stands up to them tells me that maybe it's come to represent far more than just a failed revolt.I cry for Dixie; may Her spirit rise from the grave.
>>61567934>hurr my state Isn't Texas so no one fucking cares.
>>61554975>the south continues to be a net loss and a parasite on the nation's finances and be a borderline third-world tier shithole that denigrates our national imageYou're thinking of black people, not southerners in general. >Sherman really didn't go far enoughGo back to your NAFO tranny subreddit.
>bump for the 1st Arkansas Hand Arty
>>61565715I will never understand why confederate aligned southerners are so fucking cucked that all they can do is fly a flag
>>61550878Kill yankeesKill ziggerssimple as
>>61565583Close as you'll gethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_WheelerHe's here pictured with a friend he made in Cuba, a former Union General. They supposedly starred in a silent movie together sometime that same year but I can't find much on it.
>>61568667>I will never understand AmericansWe know, Pablo
>>61568667>all they can do is fly a flagThat's all it takes to upset u*ion cocksuckers.
>>61568276keep coping, surrenderbro
>>61568732Vatniks deserve it for supporting the u*ion.
>>61568317>>61568799participation award-winners still seething 150 years after the most thorough buck-breaking of the 19th century
>>61568804>LOOK HOW NOT-ANGRY I AM>IM LAUGHING IM NOT ANGRYSure, Jan
>>61568812am I angry about running roughshod over the south? what am I angry about here? is this more subhuman russian division-driving or a mental health crisis?
>>61568804If you wanna hear seething, you should listen to your boy Nadler crying about this event.If you wanna see a buckbreaking, watch videos of the Somalis, Taliban and NVA chasing u*ion vermin out of their countries.
>>61568821>everything is a russian psyopTextbook TDS
>>61568800So far the u*ion has either run away pissing itself or surrendered to: Vietnamese rice farmers, Somali militiamen, the Taliban; and Hamas will probably be next.
>>61568873You forgot them running away from Hezbolla.
>>61568898
>>61568904yankees are huge pussies
>>61568904
>>61568911
ahhh so this whole thread is butthurt vatnigger copefascinating, larping as the worst segment of your superior adversary and they're still better than you
>>61549274I would've never fucking fought in this brother war for corporate interests. Millions died because one side of rich guys wanted to keep their cheaper laborers, and one side of rich guys wanted to open their business up to more trade with other countries that banned trade with slave nations. What the people want never fucking matters, only what the leadership and rich want matters. Even the Revolutionary War was just rich guys who wanted to be taxed less convincing the populace that the king taxing them 2% was evil, only to tax them even more after they seized control...
>>61569018NUKE ISRAEL
>>61569026audio version is even better, you can hear the glowie crying in pain
>>61568917jews
Why are there so many eurofags larping as Americans in here?
>>61549274Pretend to be the camp idiot so they assume I'm harmless and let me go.
>>61556967lol based do it again general sherman
>>61568226Based post. The flag means rebellion. Fly it high and proud. Of course it pisses off the feds and faggots that have taken over this board.
>Virginian>stays with the Union>still cared for his southern countrymen and made sure to treat people well even if they were secessionists>ignored by Northern politicians due to being Virginian, still does his duty>not a racist, wanted slavery to end and didn't discriminate his black trooos>brave, personally led his men into battle>avoided reckless attacks, Sherman and Grant seethed at him for this>always made sure his men were supplied and taken good care of>only civil war general to have destroyed an opposing army>nobody cares about him except a few hipsters and hardcore nerdsI don't get it. I suppose his memoirs burning up in a fire didn't help.
>>61569018Good post, but the thing is the colonies didn't get to have a seat in parliament,if they did maybe the revolutioary war wouldn't have happened.Also,shit image. Wignat paganism is cringe bro, just look at vauche or whatever that ex-Mayhem singer is like.
>>61559354Blacker the berry the sweeter the juice.
>>61549274>What do?Fart
>>61568804you remind everyone of your seething. youre no different than the TDS faggots on youtube.
>>61568953>larping as the worst segment of your superior adversaryNobody is larping as a Californian, Massachusettians, or New Yorkers.
>>61549274>strip naked>go streaking>no one can tell who's side I'm on so they don't shoot me>get to flaunt my dick in front of Stonewall Jackson himself
>>61569238
>>61569050what loathsome vermin.
>>61550878Wtf, I love NAFO now.
>>61570673idk if this counts but I actually do a pretty good imitating Jew York accents which I picked up from my boss
>>61554621>>61559354Based Nubian Kween appreciators. They truly are the greatest means towards reconciliation between north and south.
>>61570673We call them Massholes up here.
>>61569238I find it amusing how he tried to be humble by turning down army command, but later he got all hissy when the war dept passed him over for promotion in favor of Rosecrans. >destroyed an armynot really an achievement when the opposing army was a pack of starving southern ragamuffins. he was still an average huge pussy yankee and had to concentrate his already large force to bring overwhelming superiority against the army of Tennessee before daring to advance on them, reducing Grant to a nervous wreck in the interim.>Virginianmost Virginians back then would spit on his face.
>>61567928based>>61568804you have no ancestors who fought and either side and your family came here in the mid 1950s \>>61568842I want TZD and recently started appreciating the southern stuff, especially souther Catholics
>>61574747Amazing how hard southerners cope by calling every union general a pussy yet still lost the war overwhelmingly. Your dogshit region deserved every bit of destruction it got and deserved a longer reconstruction then it received.
>>61567437https://youtu.be/7Pnqc4marmY?si=XC5SlzxpCfboY3jV
>>61568898>>61568904>>61568909I assume you also have read Heros Von Bork's book on his service with the southern cavalry
>>61574835No, but I've read Arthur Fremantle's travelogues in the south.
>>61574835please for the love of god read the old Von's memoirs of his active service with JEB stuart. You are doing yourself a disservice by not going on archive and reading them right now.
>>61569018As usual, more bottom-feeder-tier retarded takes from the retarded larpagan. In other news, water is wet.
>>61569018They weren't brothers, US states are so large that back then people had little in common. However desertions were very common and draft evasion even more so. After all neither possible wear outcome would benefit most of the troops. The draft riots underscore lack of desire to die for absolutely nothing useful. I'd have headed as far West as I could get or become a sailor, both common and practical choices.
i'd radio in a A-10 loaded with dumb bombs and 30mm ammo
>>61577062>mass replying with years-old webm everybody's already seenSimply poor form, fatty bunter.
>>61554975Literally anyone who disagrees with this is the same kind of person who will unironically say that they never took government handouts while living off of unemployment and disability gibs.
>>61567543>no one competentSeeing as they were fighting Georgians you didn’t need to repeat yourself
>>61550878>>61573009Shut the fuck up, Ivan.>>61568732>>61574761Based, honor your ancestors by killing Bolshevik vermin.>>61565583>A Confederate soldier gets Isekai'd into WW2? How funny would that be...haha.Some VERY interesting things would be happening that’s for sure.
>>61554975YOU NEED TO STUDY HISTORY. FIRST OFF. LINCOLN STARTER THE CIVIL WAR BY MASSING TROOPS ON THE BORDER TO PROVOKE THE SOUTH INTO FIRING FIRST. HE ALSO STATED THAT IF HE COULD REUNITE THE STATS BY NO FREEING THE SLAVES HE WOULD.
confederates appear to be the US version of seething serbs.
>>61577526Croatians are now moving into Serbia en masse and bringing with them terrible driving, bad attitudes, and inflated prices for everything? To all you jackasses with New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania plates: fuck off, we’re full.
>>61577536>with them terrible driving, bad attitudes, and inflated prices for everything?don forget they be takin yar jobs too
>>61577526Southerners are more like Croats desut. have actually been to the Balkans
>>61577062Context? I've seen this exact video posted for many years but never got any context to it.
>>61549274Canada's defeat of the Fenians .... demonstrates how poorly trained even 'veteran' Union troops were and how a general American invasion of Canada would have fared
>>61549466It still hurts
>>61577881burgers on some special mission get ambushed by nogs somewhere in africa, or something
>>61549466>>61578125This actually makes me wonder, how would history have changed if the Confederate taking aim at Jackson's gun had jammed?
>>61567030>that second paragraph
>>61577881>>61578191US Army Special Forces team in Tongo Tongo getting Bongo Bongo'd
Yeah
>>61549274“Take me to your leader”
>>61565984Funny thing is our niggers are better than the ones up north. Watching people in the blue states suck union/federal dick while niggers burn their cities down is peak irony.
>>61579907Not much. Confederates never attempted any actual killing blow campaigns to end the war, they just believed if they invaded the countryside of Virginia for long enough the Union would give up. Tactically the Confederacy was superior, but strategically they were retarded and every month the war continued the more the situation turned against them. They should have aimed to smash the Union and capture DC before driving northwards into major cities. It would probably fail, but an 80% chance of the war being lost by 1863 is better than a 100% chance of the war being lost by 1867.
>>61582373Countryside of Pennsylvania I mean
>>61579907For the war, almost nothing. For Jackson, his reputation would likely be much less as he'd eventually face a defeat somewhere. Given his aggression it might well be a disaster that ends up with him somewhat unfairly remembered as "the man who lost the south Gettysburg" or a "slightly better John Bell Hood", depending on what role he was given. Getting killed while the Union was badly led and losing battles is a great reputation saver.
>>61582393>For the war, almost nothingyankee cope, with a beast like Jackson it's very probable the south would've won. Even without him the Union was in hot water before the 1864 election, public opinion on the war effort was in the gutter and Lincoln was gonna lose to the democrat platform who were making some allusions towards peace.
>>61582406You are assuming Jackson's presence to decisively change Gettysburg from a heavy defeat to a victory so great, so overwhelming, that it meaningfully changes the path of the war in one battle. When multiple Union defeats before it largely did nothing, and the army of Virginia lacked the resources to attack ever again after that battle. If he did live he could well get re-assigned to another theater in the mistaken belief he would be able to miraculously turn around the losing campaigns given inadequate resources.
>>61582573>You are assuming Jackson's presence to decisively change GettysburgJackson's presence can mean that the battle of Gettysburg wouldn't have even happened, and different chains of events would've taken place. Even if, not being defeated at Gettysburg and retreating is a huge victory on its own. It was wrecking public confidence in the war effort, already abysmal, even more. Jackson being around would mean more great victories and northern humiliation that would cost Ape Lincoln his presidency and give it to Democrats, of whom many were pro-peace.
>>61549274Pretend to be a bunny
>>61582373>Confederates never attempted any actual killing blow campaigns to end the war, they just believed if they invaded the countryside of Virginia for long enough the Union would give up.Wasn't the whole rationale of the Maryland and Gettysburg campaigns to draw the Union into a decisive battle, defeat it on its own territory, and cause a mass panic that would force the withdrawal of Union troops even from theatres where they had a decisive advantage?
>IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR SHE CRIED MORE MORE MORE!>WITH A REBEL YELL SHE CRIED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqIpt5SF0I
>>61567030>Robert E. Lee rides Bay Area Rapid Transit between West Oakland and Embarcadero
>>61584648Winning a battle isn't a killing blow unless it actually threatens a collapse of the nation or loss of the national government. Napoleon won plenty of major victories that inflicted heavy casualties but didn't end wars because Vienna or Berlin still was safe, it was only once those areas were exposed and at grave danger that the enemy was forced to the negotiating table. For an even stronger example look at Hannibal, he destroyed several Roman armies, but Rome itself was never under a real threat and Rome kept fighting until they forced him into a do or die battle and defeated him. Zama was actually after Carthage had surrendered without a major defeat because Rome reached a largely unprotected Carthage and once Hannibal returned and Carthage was safe they reneged on the treaty.Furthermore even if you can win a war by just winning a big enough battle the South never did that. Look at Chancellorsville where the South not only suffered much higher proportional losses but barely inflicted 10% casualties on the Union. Compare that to Austerlitz where Napoleon destroyed anywhere from a third to half of the enemy army killed, captured, or wounded. And even then Austerlitz didn't end the war because a lot of soldiers were dead or captured, it ended because Vienna had fallen and there was no meaningful force left to slow Napoleon's rapid advance across Austria.I honestly cannot think of a single situation where a single battle won a war because it was a big battle with a lot of casualties. Even examples like Agincourt have extenuating circumstances for example the Burgundians essentially overthrowing the French government in a coup and forcing the pro-Armagnac future Charles VII to flee to the South.
>>61582658>Lincoln would have lost reelection if it wasn't for GettysburgNo. He won the election with 55% of the popular vote and even Louisiana and Tennessee voted for him (although their electoral votes weren't counted). Also Gettysburg was 16 months before the election actually happened, by the time of the election Atlanta was being torched.For Lincoln to lose the election and the union to still give up you need more than for the Confederacy to avoid defeat in the East as even if McClellan won he wouldn't have abandoned a war which would be over six months later with a complete union victory.
>>61565270Robert E Lee was a "good" general by virtue of being on the defensive in a fortified position. The moment went into the offensive he shat the bed.
>>61567674Yesn't. It was the initial and primary war goal. But freeing the slaves was added later on because by making the Civil War about slavery it choked any diplomatic relationships the Confederates could have created with Europe. It increased the Union's political legitimacy and support from Europe overall.It also significantly lowered the morale of anti-slavery citizens of the Confederate states.
>>61568830Southcucks can't even do what goatherders and rice farmers could.
>>61586180>Southcucks can't even do what goatherders and rice farmers could.Lee eschewed the idea of waging an insurgency so they didn't even really try that one particular technique.
>>61574876good stuff>yankees once again confirmed huge pussies
Von Borcke seems to be one among several others to note how rarely the bayonet was put into use
>>61586143>because by making the Civil War about slaveryEveryone with a brain and the benefit of hindsight can agree that the emancipation of the slaves was not an initial Union goal, but it was not the Union who made the War of Secession about slavery.
>>61586405Don't most bayonet charges work even back in their heyday by causing the enemy to scatter rather than get skewered anyway?
>>61586428Generally there would be some combat before breaking, especially with a generally capable unit. After the Napoleonic era as rifles became the norm bayonet charges lost their effectiveness as one had to cover a lot more ground under fire before reaching the enemy. Before that many armies (notably the French and Swedes) followed a doctrine where they would do little exchange of fire, the ideal assault being to approach within 50 to 100 paces of the enemy (so close range even for a musket), fire a volley, and charge.
>>61586428yes it seems that's the case in 99% of instances. one side would break and rout before the actual collision takes place, or the combat would devolve into close range musketry. on the basis of self preservation it seems soldiers rarely, if ever, got within bayonetting range of enemies.
>>61582393>Given his aggression it might well be a disaster that ends up with him somewhat unfairly remembered as "the man who lost the south Gettysburg" or a "slightly better John Bell Hood"There were some pretty big differences between Jackson and Hood though.For starters, Hood came from money, was a very poor student at West Point, and a bit of a playboy as well. Jackson spent a large chunk of his childhood in abject poverty due to his parents both dying before he reached the age of six, ran away from home to escape the abuse of his stepfather, twice (the first time when he was six years old), had to teach himself how to read because he had little formal schooling, and was intensely religious. Jackson's success as a commander can at least be partially attributed to the fact that his modest origins enabled him to connect with the men under his command in a way that the party animal Hood could not.Second, Jackson had held independent commands before. The Valley campaign that made him famous had him more or less operating on his own and he had been resoundingly successful. By contrast, prior to his appointment as commander of the Army of Tennessee, Hood had basically never held an independent command before, having always operated as part of a larger force and under a superior. Even without the injuries he sustained at Gettysburg and Chickamunga (he lost two limbs and was put back into service within six months, when even today men who lose one often need years of rehabilitation before they can return to active duty, if at all), he was arguably way out of his depth.
>>61582573>>61582658Jackson's survival would have definitely altered the course of Gettysburg. Assuming every other event that led up to it remained more or less the same, on the first day, Confederate troops broke through I Corps, Army of the Potomac's lines and sent them scattering through town and leaving the ridges South of it effectively undefended. Richard Ewell (who had only taken over Jackson's former command of II Corps less than a month before) had the opportunity to seize the ridge and his subordinates implored him to do so, but passed up on the opportunity, allowing Union troops to regroup and then reinforce it. Jackson wouldn't have passed up an opportunity. He would have pursued them and chased them off Cemetery Ridge and Culp's Hill, and Gettysburg would have become the Fredericksburg-tier defensive battle that Confederate commanders like Longstreet had sought.
>>61577339Finally a good reply.
>>61567030Chuckled
>>61565583It'd be really something
>>61577367Sent with Tapatalk
>>61567508Claiming space with sound. Real thing. Look it up.
>>61577119Bowl cut round framed glasses Who the fuck thinks this looks good and why is it so common on mongos
>>61577339>pregnant Anne Frank in a Stonewall Jackson thread
>>61550878>The venn diagram of NAFO posters and Unionists is a perfect circle
>>61586180Honor is a white man's concept. Browns don't surrender and just chimp forever because they know only aggression and need to be kept in line by their betters. The South surrendered properly due to recognizing that they had been beaten in "fair" combat, as fair as you can call an industrialized nation swarming an agricultural one and burning civilian centers to the ground, but the basic idea was that, in theory, they were just duking it out fair and square rather than being backstabbing villains about it. By the same merit it's fair to be given a knife to fight a man with an AR-15 in and open field in broad daylight, but if the guy with the knife insists it's fair and he refuses to sneak behind him somehow because it's "cowardly" then there's not much else to say about it other than that the dude's honor is a handicap.>>61586273They didn't just not try it, Lee actively discouraged it. After he surrendered, he told everyone he could to simply lay down their arms and stop because there was no point and it would be dishonorable to continue fighting.
>>61592086>Browns don't surrender and just chimp forever because they know only aggression and need to be kept in line by their betters.*Ahem*
>>61592955To be fair if my country got taken by the Soviets I’d continue fighting, I don’t think the Yanks practiced man rape.
>Honor is a white man's concept. Browns don't surrender and just chimp foreverlol
>>61578082Why is the color bearer's uniform green?
This thread reminds me of that old countryball meme where one side still seethes to this day about losing and the victors barely care about the war.
>>61594985But enough about the United States and Vietnam
>>61595067>vietnam>hundreds of american stores selling american products>USA>no vietnamese stores anywhere oops lol
>>61595078>no vietnamese stores anywhereNow this is some delicious Yankee cope. I think I'll have it as a side with my bánh mì
>>61595217now count how McDonalds are in vietnam lmao
>>61595067Are you Vietnamese?
>>61572302Based.>>61574747Rosecrans was retarded.Not his fault that Hood was mentally slow and thought attacking a superior defending force was a good idea. Though none of the other Union generals achieved what he did.
>>61595078>>USA>>no vietnamese stores anywhereyou're right, it's just Mexican stores selling Chinese products everywhere.
>>61595385Isnt it funny how everyone wants to live in the US but no ones moving to Vietnam or China?
>>61595385ok? what does this have to do with the US achieving victory in the long run?>n-no! that's not right! the rice skull! you are a mutt! you lost!war is not like your videogames. you don't win just by killing stuff. be a little more humble.
>>61567437>No George H. ThomasFor shame anon
>>61585841>Napoleon won plenty of major victories that inflicted heavy casualties but didn't end wars because Vienna or Berlin still was safe, it was only once those areas were exposed and at grave danger that the enemy was forced to the negotiating tableIt's not a definite rule. The French took Berlin during the collapse of Prussia following Jena-Auerstedt in 1806 but it wasn't enough to make them open to negotiations, Napoleon had to defeat their Russian allies first before Frederick William III folded. For the Austrians, the French offensive of 1797 threatening Vienna from Northern Italy was enough but the Austrian armies were in shambles and completely demoralized at that point. It wasn't the case in 1809, they still fought the battles Aspern-Essling and Wagram AFTER Vienna was occupied.
>>61595316>Hood was mentally slow and thought attacking a superior defending force was a good idea.Laudanum is a helluva drug
>>61595274There's like 17 of them, they aren't doing well because their product is fast food but it's priced like fine dining and slower than the street food vendors. Meanwhile I guarantee you any large US city has more Vietnamese food options than there are McD's total in Vietnam.
>>61595468Sure, and Austria sometimes resisted until after Vienna fell, capturing the capital isn't a simple checkmate like in chess. However the point wasn't that you always go for the capital, the point was that simply killing people rarely if ever (I actually cannot think of a case where a war ended after one side suffered heavy casualties in a single battle) wins you the war. If Lee wants to win the civil war he needs an actual strategic goal that would force the North to negotiate than hoping he can win by shocking them with a military defeat. For example>March on and capture DC>If federal government relocates and continues to resist advance along coast of Maryland into Delaware until you reach the Delaware river>If federal government continues to resist march up Delaware and capture Philly>If federal government relocates again/continues resisting move into Jersey and up towards NYCNow this was a plan I thought up off the top of my head but the point is to have strategic goals behind your battles. Napoleon didn't say "I'm going to keep marching through Austria without trying to threaten Vienna and hope that after enough major victories Austria surrenders. He marched on Vienna and that generally secured victory outright if it was so much as threatened, when that failed he secured crossings to the Danube and shattered the Austrian army leaving the wealthy fallback region of Bohemia exposed meaning Austrian refusal to negotiate was liable to lead to dismemberment of their empire as Napoleon could than just arbitrarily appoint one of his brothers King of Bohemia or some shit.
>>61595628>mcds are so much better than native vietnamese food therefore they are more expensive not surprising
>>61595274>y-you have mcdunks in your countryI love how burgermutts always fall back on this one, they know their culture is so much of a joke that its biggest iconography is junk food.
>>61595850keep giving me your money while I give you my slop, guy
>>61592955>>61594604Russians aren't white, and you can't really surrender to something that just shoots you when you put your hands up.
>>61594985You mean this?
>>61596610Funny you say that when the survival rate for Russian POWs in German hands was far lower than the reverse
>>61595274You say that as if it’s supposed to wiped away the disgrace that was the Vietnam War, it doesn’t.
>>61549274Go back to sleep
>>61586977>t. Jubal EarlyWhat you're leaving out is that on the first day, Early actually argued against trying to take those positions. The rebs had been marching or fighting for most of the daylight hours by that point and were exhausted, and multiple brigades had been cut to pieces trying assaulting the Union I Corps. They also had no idea where the main Union body was, and had multiple reports of Union troops approaching from various directions keeping their remaining intact brigades from moving up for an assault on Cemetery Ridge. You're also forgetting that by the afternoon Hancock was on Cemetery Ridge organizing the remnants of I and XI Corps for the defense, along with the Union reserves that had been there all along, and the 7th Indiana regiment had already occupied Culper's Hill by the time any reb assault could have reached it, and in reality the scouting party attempting to reconnoiter the hill was ambushed by the 7th. Best case timeframe for the rebs is 4:30PM-7PM to immediately scout the hill, plan the assault, reorganize the remaining intact brigades for the assault, and march to the location. By that point the Union forces are in position to defend, and you're 30 minutes from sunset, assuming Buford's cavalry didn't interrupt you. You also have to contend with picrel. The lines on the map are scary and CAN hurt you.Link goes in-depth into why any attempt to take Culp's Hill or Cemetary Ridge on day 1 is likely to end in failure>https://saberandscroll.scholasticahq.com/api/v1/articles/28732-gettysburg-day-one-taking-cemetery-hill-and-culp-s-hill.pdf
>>61599012“lol, lmaonow attack that ridge as Gawd commands it”-Stonewall Jackson
>>61599405kek
>>61595850You came onto an American website speaking the language of America to achieve your goals of saying American cultural domination is lame and ineffective.
>>61600137you are posting from a computer that's parts are entirely made in China on a website run by a Japanese man living in a country your ancestors moved into barely 300 years ago, you live in a glass house mutty. >English>American languagelollmaoI bet you think quarter pounders are bigger than third pounders too
>>61596759No one tell this guy about what happened when Soviet POWs met American ones (rape).
>>61595078>what is Little Saigon
>>61600140Holy cope lmao.
>>61596759Being serial rapists that also raped their own allied POWs is probably why.
>>61582406Winners don't need to cope, Cletus.
>>61549274Pretend to be black
>>61604284this
>>61582393>"slightly better John Bell Hood"Honestly Jackson being put in command of the Army of Tennessee would probably have made the situation drastically worse than Hood's appointment even. The simple reason being that his style of command would have led to his subordinates mutinying against him.People tend to forget that Jackson was extremely unpopular when he initially took command of his eponymous brigade in the summer of 1861 because of his reputation as a poor teacher at VMI (as well as his impoverished background and social awkwardness in general). Back then, he wasn't a battlefield superstar, he was this "literally who" loser and religious weirdo whose students all thought he was a dumbass. It wasn't until he started showing results did the Confederate Army's opinion of him change.
>>61606720Autism.
>>61579907Doesn’t really matter in terms of the course of the war, they were doomed once European great powers didn’t intervene on their behalf.
>>61607680Which was very unlikely in the first place and the Union likely would have still won anyway.
>>61606876Yes, Jackson was very much a sufferer from it.Without the Civil War, he would have most likely been remembered as a piss-poor professor and bizzaro Jesus Freak or forgotten by history entirely.
>>61586410Nonsense, emancipation was always Lincoln's goal, he just lied about it to get moderates on board for the war effort in the early days. Once they were committed he could unveil the real reason.
>>61577339this
>>61599012Interesting read
>>61599012By the sound of it, the only way the Confederacy could have decidedly prevailed at Gettysburg would have been either Buford losing his nerve and pulling his cavalry back on the night of June 30 rather than attempting to defend the town the following morning or by some accident bypassed it entirely and Confederate troops had simply strolled in completely unopposed.
>>61592086>Browns don't surrender and just chimp forever because they know only aggression and need to be kept in line by their betters.idk those Iraqis seemed pretty keen on surrendering in 1991.
>>61549274Die I guess
>>61577062Based
>>61549274>What do?Hug my Southern brothers
>no one's posted the thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNZQrQg-MiI
>>61549274Run
>>61595078Have you never been literally any mid-sized American city?
>>61574761>Confederate CatholicsI thought Southerners hated Catholics?
>>61554975Brutal but fairly based. Though for me the real irony is how hard they seethe about blacks when they literally are 100% the reason America isn't near 100% white.
>>61618505Some do, even the KKK in the south let Catholics in, it just depended on your chapter. But my family are Catholic Anglos since the late 17th century. First arrived in Maryland/Pennsylvania and then to Louisiana. Even had some in the Klan in the late 19th early 20th century. Jefferson Davis wanted to convert to the Catholic church but didnt. There were nuns and hospitals set up by Catholics there. Pope Pius ix was very sympathetic to the confederacy and wrote letters to Jefferson Davis.here are some interesting readshttps://www.catholicworldreport.com/2020/12/03/the-little-known-and-often-surprising-history-of-catholic-confederates/Charles Coulombe has a good talk about it and other Americans toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hadttLfJ4mk
>>61549274“I have information that will lead to the arrest of Abraham Lincoln.”
>>61549274Hide on the nearest plantation and use my status as a Union soldier to fuck all the slave girls
>>61625168degenerate, but based
>>61612140We had to go back to Iraq hardly 10 years later. I fail to see a second Civil War even over a century after the one in the 1860s,on the contrary American troops have been keen to wave flags from either side of the conflict in battle and no one cared until certain people began bitching about what colors our cloth squares were.
>>61618505I'm a Texas-born (white) Catholic who's been living in Alabama for the last 7 or 8 years, and the only real issue I've faced regarding my faith is that some people don't understand what Catholicism even is. So literal ignorance.There are certainly a smaller number in the South compared to all the Protestants, but there's enough that in my city there's at least 3 or 4 Catholic churches. It's just that for every Catholic one there's a few more Protestant ones in the same vicinity.Given the more "relaxed" culture around here, I get the feeling that a Catholic community here might be about the same as certain Protestant ones elsewhere. We had an Irish priest here once and he was known to be strict and dour, sometimes even yelling at parishioners, though he was admittedly found to be suffering from dementia or something in his age. Most more local priests and even the Hispanic ones are warmer and more understanding.It may be this way because the Church tends to promote a community in faith rather than a "personal relationship" with God, the idea being that you are your brother's keeper and support each other in your duty and commitment to God. A community is naturally made up of the people within it, and these people are still Southerners, so it ends up becoming whatever the locals are more or less.
>>61567674No it wasn’t. It was to tell euros to fuck off essentially
>>61574761Didn't Jefferson Davis practically betray the Church in helming the Confederacy? Not that I have anything against the Confederates, but it seems pretty bone-headed to support them from that position.
>>61626293>We had to go back to Iraq hardly 10 years later>had
>>61626428tldr:no, they just wanted peace. even at his death he had a Catholic Priest(Dominican) I believe help with the funeral.Here are some good links about the Confederacy and Catholic Church>>61621276https://fatima.org/news-views/catholic-apologetics-177/If you have any questions about the faith feel free to ask and I will help you as best as I can.
>>61626293>We had to go back to Iraq hardly 10 years later.Iraq wasn't actively threatening US interests.
>>61567508I have no idea. In college there was this guy who was constantly watching stuff at volume on his phone mid lecture. I can't decide between him and the Serbian autist who was worse
>>61626394>some people don't understand what Catholicism even isWhat do you mean?
>>61582658Had Jackson been at Gettysburg he too would've been outfoxed by the cunning Dan Sickles
>>61631510not sure why a wall of text of cheap greentext sensationalism, about as reliable as a tabloid newspaper, wants to grip my interest in one of the most incompetent generals in military history by starting off with his pedophilic 2nd marriage. oh wait, I remembered, I'm on 4chan.
>>61632971Kek
>>61574860babbys first tantrum
>>61627833>>61630998Yeah yeah, and Russia is winning, we get it. Don't you people have dirt roads to sweep or something?
>>61631478It's admittedly a small number, but I've met some people who didn't seem to know what it was. I recall one girl in high school who asked what church I went to, so I responded that I went to the Catholic one. She replied that she was a Christian, but said it in a way that implied that Catholicism wasn't. She didn't seem to be discriminatory, so I chalked it up to mere ignorance rather than malice.
>>61577339Imagine the entire Stonewall Brigade (except for the man obviously because he's a married man and a good Christian) running a train on this girl
>>61633987>if you dare question the wisdom of embarking on a war of aggression on blatantly false pretenses, y-you're a zigger!
>>61549274Pull put my AR 15 and smoke those rebel sons of bitches.
>>61633987how's the weather in Langley today?
>>61631478what >>61633993 said an other form of people not understanding what Catholicism even is getting very basic things very wrong because pastor jimbo once told some one x who then he went and told other people x and y Which are often very very dumbed down arguments about the actual theological differences to the point that Catholicism to them looks more like hinduism or some other eastern cult than actual Catholicism.That lovely type of "I know your faith better than you do because I read something on line"
>>61634185Amazing 110k, pension and I get a comfy desk job
>>61549274I think bayonet casualties account for like 1% or less of all casualties taken during the civil war. Volleys won again volleys... it is easier for a dozen men to target a single muzzle flash at 200-300 yards and pick men off individually, generals like Forrest had good assault tactics not autism.
>>61634747until you murder-suicide your family?
>>61574761>>61621276>>61626394This is more of a general question, but how do Catholics deal with Popes they don't like? Is it like if you were to have a President of your country you don't like ("what a retard, just wait until he leaves office and elect a better leader") or is it more egregious than that?
>>61582406Shoulda...coulda...woulda...didn't.
>>61582406Honestly Jackson's authoritarian style of command would have been a serious hinderance. It worked with the Stonewall Brigade and II Corps because he was in command of them long enough and that they knew he would consistently lead them to victory and had complete trust in his judgement, even if it seemed outright insane at times. If he had been transferred West to the Army of Tennessee there probably would have been a mutiny against him because to them, he would have just seemed like a petty tyrant.*see Sam Watkins' complaining about Braxton Bragg
>>61586084>No. He won the election with 55% of the popular voteafter union armies scraped two great victories. without them Lincoln would've very likely lost. he himself and his cabinet anticipated losing, until armies captured Atlanta and Mobile bay.
>>61626394are you the gay jawaIf so the way your wife harassed me was rather unsettling
>>61636797There have been many bad Popes in the past such as Benedict IX, Sergius III, Innocent VIII. You can abhor the pope, but you cant reject his position as Pope. We must agree that he is a successor of St Peter, which he is and that he continues the mandate given to St Peter by Our Lord. For this, we must pray for him and all the clergy. Other than this, no, we are not bound to follow his personal teachings or example. Just the deposit of faith. We Catholics are only obliged to obey the Pope when he speaks on faith and morals i.e. ex Cathedra.We Catholics are also obliged to obey the Pope and the hierarchy when they teach according to the ordinary magisterium. here are some good videos by guys much smarter than I am talking about the topic. If you have any other questions on the faith I will answer as best I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zcT-3m0EBchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ZubfyE2Qghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In5NrD_GqeQ
>>61636995McClellan also shot himself in the foot by flip-flopping over whether he was actually going to end the war.
>>61554975You seem very upset for a supporter of the winning side. Perhaps you don't enjoy your tax dollars going to support people you don't like? Boohoo, that's what you got for winning. Btw, the history of development in this country since the war has been one of systematically developing the northeast and west coast at the expense of the rest of the country. You should take a look at how the DoE allocates funding by state, but beware, you might have a anuerysm when you find reality is more complex than your comfy little faggot copehole.
>>61549274bump
>>61634185It's quite pleasant actually.t. Fairfax County
>>61554621Beastiality I have had *sexual* contact with my one and only gf a couple years ago, but she had been through a bit of SA (by a nigger 10 years older than her, no less) and so we didn't go all the way. Absolute retards here.
>>61637897>I'm too much of a retard to know what I'm talking about or the meaning behind anything I believe, so here's what someone told me I should thinkYep, it's a Catholic.
>>61636797I'd make a comparison to US politics.You may not have voted for the president but he is still the President and you are supposed to respect the office.The same goes for what ever executive orders he signs, if they are lawful you have to obey them.So as long as the Pope doesn't go against doctrine you have to listen to what he says because he can't change doctrine.What the last popes have said has however often been twisted and presented to further a point they weren't making. Take fags for a case all three of the last popes have made statements to the effect that fags are still humans, fags can still be Catholics and that we should emphasize with their struggle vis a vis them being fags as it is a sin, but not to exclude them but to help them like we should any sinner that seeks Christ.This then gets taken by the gay lobby, pagan larpers and others like them as the Pope approving of faggotry and cheering it on to further their own goals.
>>61643601Ive explained my point clearly and gave referances to people who know more than me and are more qualified. There is nothing wrong with that at all.
>>61637897>>61643716At what point would you consider a Pope so bad that he NEEDS to be removed from office? Like he's a Anti-Pope or whatever.
>>61646162Papal renunciation has happened in the past and as recently as 2013. Cannon law section 332 talks about it. He must admit freely why he resigned and left. He can do so for many reason sickness, failing health, mental problems. The last time it happaened was in 2013.
>>61567030grinned
>>61567508fatherless behavior
>>61549274i would have coomed in my pants had I been at Chancellorsville (obviously in the CS Army)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcTOc-1NLj0
Why does this dead thread keep getting bumped?Jannies need to prune shit after 7 days
>>61639281Southern states get more federal money, hypocrite
>>61636995Doubt it
>>61631510This
>>61622624Ok traitor
>>61606720Indeed Jackson is very overrated
>>61594985this
>>61590274yeah it’s cringe
>>61586977Jackson’s survival would change the outcome, they were outmatched
>>61578082not really
>>61577339dumb pedo communist
>>61569238Only good southerner
>>61549274Kill rebels
>>61550859Most Yankees don’t careWe’re not as obsessed with the war as the losers are
>>61554589kek this
>>61554975>>61554986these
>>61556938To get rid of themThe south fought to keep them around
>>61559217Based Sherman
>>61565080Someday you’ll read about the economic system in the south where the rich few used the white poor majority as canon fodder to protect slavery
>>61565715Not really, they were an extreme minority >>61568667They have no culture
>>61565715If the csa has survived it would be allied to Nazi germany
This was a good thread lads
>>61554975Theres a phonecall for you from the Based department
>>61567543>"He only did so good because we sucked so hard!"You southern cuckolds got a real weird way of thinking.
>>61649018This, love dabbing on lost causefags and the ann frank pedo
