What is the gun you want to get the most, your Holy Grail? Have you already got it? For me it's the F2000. I just love how it looks but I doubt I'll ever find one of sale that I can afford.
LR-300. I dont think ive even seen one on GB
>>61529246My grail would be an MP44 probablyHigh prices whenever available, unsurprisingly
chopped rpd
Paratrooper style M1 Carbine. It’s just cool.
>>61529246G11 because I'm too lazy to collect my brass
>>61529246Holy Grail gun? WA2000. I still wish someone would make a modernized version of it. A few have come up for auction once in a long while but wildly expensive.
>>61530293What about it do you like? Just furniture?
>>61529246Easily a SVD Dragnov, in particular I'd love an SVU-AS but obviously these are unobtanium.More achieveable grail gun would probably be a Spas 12 or a Wood OG Galil (galils seem cheap suprisngly?)
>>61529246The Mateba Unica. I was a teenager when I started playing Battlefield and I've been entranced by its aesthetics ever since. I'm seemingly never able to justify the prices these things command at auction, but I hope that as my career progresses, I can get one some day. Preferably in .357 blued, which fortunately tends to be the least expensive.
>>61530341Ah fuck I change my answer. But I think I'd want a 2006B more than the legendary unicha 6
>>61530305>What about it do you like? Just furniture?Everything really, it's a pretty fascinating set of stuff put together particularly for the time. It's a semiautomatic rifle in 300 winmag intended for sniping roles, with a 26" fluted barrel and 39" oal, all the furniture looks cool but every last bit is fully adjustable, could do either single or two stage adjustable trigger, just 2.65 to 3.1 lb pull, even the Schmidt & Bender 2.5-10 scope was actually pretty neat for the time.So yeah I love the look too though not just the wood, but there's also nothing else quite like that before or since at all afaik. I'm semi-coping (though not really I love manual and the feel of the one I tried anyway) with building my fallback multi-year planned dream gun, an SRS in 300wm (maybe 7mm or 300prc someday), but that's not wood and not semi.
>>61529246My grail has almost always been the SVD.>have you already got it?Yup, pic rel is mine, managed to buy it in 2022. >>61530336>SVUI'd be surprised if there even was a single SVU owned by a civilian. I know a guy with an original set of modified SVU furniture and bipod but that's it.
>>61530477checked, I'd love one if the cocksmokers in office hadn't banned Russian ammo>>61529246for me it's the Bern Lugers, I know the triggers are ass, but it's such a goofy entry in the Luger family and I sneed it. for a realistic buy, I will get a Zastava M77 and do a Rhodie babyshit paintjob and there isn't a soul who can stop me
Beretta but BRRRT.
>>61529246Never had the chance to touch one, but I always used the F2000 in BF3. It was great, I feel like it should get more recognition than it has. I wonder if it looked less like a fish then it might have seen greater adoption.Anyways, for me it's the Steyr ACR. Flechettes are a meme but everything else about it is perfect.
A legit 416A5
>>61530571>Never had the chance to touch one, but I always used the F2000 in BF3. It was great, I feel like it should get more recognition than it has. I wonder if it looked less like a fish then it might have seen greater adoption.I shot one, tons of people tried them they weren't rare unobtanium they were easily available and flat out on sale for a long time. Because people didn't want them. And I think most didn't want them because at least the one I used was frankly pretty mediocre to actually shoot, worst trigger I've ever used, weird shitty recoil, and everyone else I talked to admitted that as well despite the neat ergos. I think there were a lot of cool aspects about it, and as a military gun where feel takes a back seat it was likely fine, seemed plenty damn reliable. But I didn't buy one even though I could have easily and even though I like bullpups. If I had it only would have been to fill out a bullpup collection but I'm not really a collector, I have stuff I like but that I also enjoy actually shooting.
>>61530406Absolutely fairAlso nice choice on the SRS
>>61530624How did you like its ejection, and have you shot a downward ejecting (RDB) or other forward ejecting (MDRX) bullpup for comparison?
>>61529246>F2000I shot one once. It was the only one I've ever seen in my life, up here in Canada. People literally formed a line to shoot it when the guy pulled it out
please
>>61530651>How did you like its ejection, and have you shot a downward ejecting (RDB) or other forward ejecting (MDRX) bullpup for comparison?Yes, have shot both, I've got an MDRX FE in 308. I like the F2000's ejection system a lot, and I 100% think one of the other bullpup makers should just take it (F2000 went into service in 2001, any patents are long expired) vs their inferior systems. Keltec's downward eject works overall but when it jams (and it does) it is a fucking BITCH to deal with. MDRX's FE was finnicky with gas and QC, it could work and did ok but wasn't as reliable and still was less elegant imo then the F2000. And it should say something that DT has in fact abandoned FE with the MDR3, cough I mean ""WLVRN"" (and still couldn't get QC sorted out).Of course both the keltec and dt guns have excellent triggers and a lot of other nice bonuses (some of which are mattering less tho as time goes by), but I liked F2000's approach to ejection for a bullpup.
>>61530741I've got one of those, but the bolt and carrier are plum coloured from the arsenal refurb. I payed $400 bucks for it in 2017. It's crazy how the prices have shot up
>>61530651NTA but there was an anon a couple weeks ago who had one and said he preferred the Tavor and that the RDB was almost as good. Probably just a matter of personal preference that has four-figure price differences factored in
>>61529246The FS2000 is like the five-seven. Costs a lot, but feels like the cheapest thing in the world. First plastic gun I saw that made the plastic creaking sound when handled.
>>61530771Yeah this is fair too. I own polymer/metal bullpup guns that feel ultra solid and good anyway. The F2000 felt kinda chintzy. Though again never seemed to have issues actually functioning.
>>61530771Really? I handled one, and it was surprisingly ergonomic. Felt great to hold
Hk433 fuck off i like it
Probably this Reddit meme build rifle in .350 Legend. Size of a P90 with the energy of a 16" AR. I want it for winter CC.
Borchardt C93There's always a few for sale here and there, but I doubt I'll ever be able to buy one. Wanted one since I first saw it in the first Red Dead Redemption.
>>61530875Other anon nta but could easily be there was some variation in manufacturing series then, it was produced in plenty large enough numbers. Like every other military gun later I'm sure they worked on it over the decades, I'm honestly not very familiar with any revisions or details I only ever shot a single one a long time ago.
>>61530751How would you feel about an RDB-like downward eject, but with a hatch on/below the cheakrest that you could open with the charging handle to clear ejection failures?
>>61530758Thanks anon
>>61530931that would be awesome with a can, actually
>>61530293Just need to make it California complaint and it’d be perfect
>>615311328/10 actually kinda mad
>>61531376looking at this makes me mad
>>61530757>I payed $400 bucks for it in 2017. It's crazy how the prices have shot upi know... i would have bought one back then too, if only i was canadian. they were like $1.5k back then in the states.unrelated but i bought an arsenal refurb mosin around that time for $189, seeing prices now kills me. they're just not worth it anymore. for anyone around at that time, the person I bought it from was pat burns, who had a massive collection of mosins she was selling, many of which were finnish mosins. i told myself that after i bought the 91/30, i'd buy a tiger stripe sako m39, they were only $350, might as well, right? well a few months later she sold everything to classic firearms and they listed them all for $450+.. fucking jews. sorry for the blogpost..
>>61531468Same. Fuck congress for scraping this and keeping small arms in the stone age.
>>61530341Good luck
A Sig 55x Commando for starters.
>>61529246holy grail gun was an SVD. I had to settle with a Tigr because I didn't have $30,000 disposable income, but I did have $8,000, which is what a BNIB Tigr cost me. The F2000 was always something I loved as well from video games in my teenage years. I lucked out and found a guy selling a BNIB one a few years back and snagged it. I love it but I don't shoot it too much because parts are retarded to find. I have a shitload of guns though so its mainly just a safe queen.
>>61529246I got it a couple months ago, a West German Sig P228. I always read about how the P226 actually did better than the Beretta 92 in the 80s pistol trial, and I've wanted one since I was 14. It has just taken me a while to justify the price because these are stupidly overpriced. After shipping, taxes, and transfer fees, I paid $1050, which wouldn't be that bad if it didn't come out of the box with the worst double action trigger I've ever felt short of a Nagant revolver. Even after a full disassembly, cleaning, oiling, and some polishing, the trigger is about on par with a Makarov. I'm going to buy the Gray Guns upgraded strut and strut mount to make this thing halfway decent, which is crazy since every other pistol I've ever bought has been cheaper and I've never felt the need to upgrade any of the triggers on those. But it has still become my daily carry gun because it's the most naturally pointing handgun I've ever used and it's just cool. >>61530931That's fuckin' rad. Get a more swept-back grip and a shorter mag and that would disappear under a coat.
>>61529246AA-12, but there's only one left (in America). I will settle for a Genesis Arms 12g Semiauto
The Auto 9There's only one firing replica in existence
The MP7 has always been my favorite gun. Kinda basic but god damn is it a beautiful gun. Got to shoot one a few years back and it was such a delight to shoot.Other firearms that would be great to get my hands on would be a Benelli m4, a VSS and an Accuracy International AWM
>>61529246bought my fs2000 off an anon hereim not a collector and its gone now but in hindsight should of kept it
>>61531946Wouldn’t this be pretty easy to replicate?
>>61530931Here's mine. I got a barrel extension so I could use the handguard that came with the kit and mount a suppressor.
>>61532133If you happen to have a 93r, and the knowledge and passion to design all the necessary parts in CAD and mill them out sure
>What is the gun you want to get the most, your Holy Grail? TrackingPoint's XS1 is neat, but I'd rather have an HK PSG1.
>>61530624I'm still baffled by why it's apparently so hard to make a bullpup trigger that isn't shit. It seems simple to me to do it mechanically, just use a pullrod instead of a pushrod and if you want you can add a spring on each side to preload it and it won't have any additional take-up. Worst case, a properly-bled hydraulic system should get you exactly the same feel as a standard trigger at the cost of some complexity and maintenance.
I don't know if I really have a "grail gun" anymore, I tend to go through phases where I get real autistic about a gun, buy it, set it up how I like it then move on to the next one. But pic related would be real fucking cool. I wish someone would at least make new conversion cylinders for the Ruger blackhawk or something.
>>61533050
m1944 Hyde Carbine (gods creation)
>>61530931ARs really do make the best bullpups, don't they? Shame the Triad is so upper specific. Anyone ever use the SCY in a serious capacity?
>>61532137...motherfucker, did you put a belt clip on that?
>>61529246I really want a Negev.
>>61534021>Shame the Triad is so upper specific.I bet you could slap it on a milspec upper with bufferless conversion if you had some specific parts, but I'm not about to invest the $1500+ you'd need to figure out which model of chassis is compatible with the superior upper option.
MSG90. I think HK only sells that to military and law enforcement agencies, though.
>>61532739I'd think so too, but I'm sure the guys trying it aren't stupid either.
>>61532689>>61534384Propa Rainbow Six guns here (although the MSG90 wasn't in any R6 IIRC but other games of the era)
>>61531774Ah nice, I inherited my P228 from my dad. Most accurate handgun I own. It is just ridiculously accurate, even if it isn't that smooth. Shoots better than my pristine Belgian FN Hi Power.I kinda wish it was a P226 though.
>>61529246If FN or Arex don't release one next year and nobodies already trying to clone it then I'm buying a mill and lathe and going to make my own, fuck it.
>>61529246Leaf here. Fuck you for reminding me I had a chance to pick up one from a Vancouver gun store, then thought "Nah, I'll buy it in a few years. I have other priorities right now.". Four months later it gets discontinued for the SCAR and I never see one again.>t. never ever Sam Fisher
>>61532739>>61534451>I'm still baffled by why it's apparently so hard to make a bullpup trigger that isn't shit.I don't understand anons? It's done long since. Keltec and Deserttech both make bullpups with good triggers. Not just "good for a bullpup" they're damn solid. And 3rd parties make trigger kits for other ones that turn them into quite decent triggers too.Way, way (like 20+ years) back yeah it wasn't there yet. But long since you're not talking a bullpup thing but a military rifle thing. No service rifle has what the civilian market would consider a good trigger, they're all heavy/squishy. It doesn't get in the way of the expected infantry usage an iota, service rifles, service ammo, and service infantry training aren't for remotely precision shooting and typically 3-5moa has been considered completely acceptable in usage. That doctrine may be changing a bit now, but the F2000, X95, Aug etc are all military rifles first and foremost and not designed yesterday either.
>>61529246You posted it. Its such a shame.
>>61534946This anon is right. It's also why genuine M16s and some M4s will have super loose tolerances and shake a bit when you jostle them. It sacrifices precision for the sake of reliability in austere environments.Western doctrine in particular is all about laying down as much lead as possible in the direction of whatever you don't like
FN just renewed all their trademarks for discontinued guns like the F2000 and FN ballista. F2000bros could it mean.....?
>Holy grail guns>Some people posting guns freely available in the 4 figure rangeSo /k/ is really just a bunch of poorfags huh?
>>61534946You're right that Keltec and DT are making good triggers nowadays, however they still aren't as good as what you can get in e. g. aftermarket for an AR from what I've heard. Also, theres still a bunch of bullpups that don't have great triggers.
>>61534990Honestly, I think people also forget that even for civilian guns everything having pretty good triggers as a default assumption is fairly new (same as single moa by default). Taken a lot of polish to get to that happy place. Step back in time to even the 1990s or 1980s and there was tons and tons of so-so (by today's standards). In military usage reliability and safety have been by far the overwhelming factors, militaries operate as organizations not individuals. Service rifles aren't the deciding factor they're one component of a multipart system, and have to deal with realities of mass usage in harsh environments for long spells.>>61535094>You're right that Keltec and DT are making good triggers nowadays, however they still aren't as good as what you can get in e. g. aftermarket for an AR from what I've heard.>from what I've heardI'd honestly encourage you to just go find an RDB or MDR or SRS or whatever and dry fire it at a store even, or if you see anyone at a range with one offer to try. Also at some point this gets into splitting hairs, what's "as good"? If you have to use a digital trigger gauge to tell the difference to me at least it becomes meaningless. And subjectively people can like what they like, but again at some point that starts just hitting taste not technical capability.>Also, theres still a bunch of bullpups that don't have great triggers.Yeah? Like we said? Those "bunch of bullpups" are all military guns anon. That's the point. Not a fundamental tech issue, just priorities. And again, you can go to Geissele or whatever and drop in their sabra trigger pack for major improvement even there.
>>61535208>Also at some point this gets into splitting hairs, what's "as good"? If you have to use a digital trigger gauge to tell the difference to me at least it becomes meaningless. And subjectively people can like what they like, but again at some point that starts just hitting taste not technical capability.Oh, also personal capability. I really, really don't think most shooters are remotely limited by their triggers beyond a certain point. And personal feelings aside, I think objectively it's worth noting people have done pretty well in serious distance competition with SRS and HTI rifles. Ie, here's a guy giving impressions on using on in the one mile italia:>https://www.rifletalks.com/equipment-reviews/desert-tech-srs/He couldn't adjust it as light as his F-class as he says but no complaints about crispness/creep.
Swiss ZFK 55. I love my k31, we hit groups of a few centimeters at 300m, just with a diopter. I'd love to use an actual scope tho, and here in Switzerland only service rifles are allowed at long range. I will never own one, rather save the 3000.- for my boy
>>61535645>only service rifles are allowed at long rangewut?
>>61529246A full auto MG3.I would use it as a "hunting rifle" since no where in the DNR legislation it is forbidden to hunt with a fully automatic firearm. It has the correct minimun barrel length and fires a private land legal cartridge. It would also double as a home defense rifle as I would mount it on a tripod behind sandbags at the end of my hallway.
>>61535645Do your best to find someone who'll let you shoot one - I have a friend who's got a couple of them, they're remarkably modern in the shooting experience, the modest magnification and muzzle brake make spotting your own impacts out as far as 600m quite easy, it recoils very flat, a lot of what you like about your K31 carries over.
>>61529246Arctic Warfare, especially the magnumthough the .308 is still really cool and is a bit more practical
Probably would have sucked, but still, what could've beenNearly bought a MP446 Grach once
Remington no 7 rolling block
>>61534067You talking about the metal pice sticking out? It's an m-lok extension used for lights but its great for reatong my thumb on it so I don't accidentally put it on the barrel or gas blocl
I bid $32k on this a few years ago and lost. Maybe, if I'm lucky, the current owner will put it back up for sale before I die and maybe I get another shot at it.I've got a few others on the list:-Colt Monitor-Mateba MTR-8-Lemat centerfire carbine-Mars pistol-G41(M)-Mauser 1906/08-Steyr 1893 trials revolver-original Farquharson rifle in a classic dangerous game caliber-Deely-Edge patent rifle
>>61536209nta but have you even TRIED using it as a belt clip?
>>61536406It's too far forward to be a good belt clip, it would have to be behind to magazine to keep it from flipping out.
>>61536274Not my thing exactly but that's a hell of a beautiful gun alright.
>>61536420but have you TRIED?
>>61535659They say it is because the sytem where the bullet hits and points are calculated (electronically) is only tested for service rifle ammunition and other kinds could break it. Of course its bullshit. The k31 penetrates 1m of concrete with ease, and they won't let me shoot my .22 Marlin. The real reason is tradition, so there are no official contests with anything but swiss army rifles anyhow. Pic related are our Targets. The black part is 60cm in diameter. At 10 shots most shooters score around 90 points regularly at 300m. We really are obsessed with precision
>>61536649>We really are obsessed with precisionit's understandable, for a couple of years I was relegated to shooting to a national shooting range in my eurocountry that unlike the one I usually go to (was renovating) didn't allow you to shoot at steel gongs and random trash so all you could do was shoot at paper. After a while I became obsessed to get the smallest groups possible even with my shitty ak. It was the only thing left to do basically.Now my range reopened and I havent' really cared for shooting at paper ever since. (beside zeroing optic)
>>61529246My list, and current status of whether I have it or not:>Luger P08I have three of them. I can't get over how quirky and interesting they are.>Lee Enfield No.4 TGot it just before COVID fucked prices. Four years later and I'm still amazed that I own one. Beautiful rifle.>STG-44Lol, lmao even. I will never own one. Banned where I live, and even if it wasn't, I couldn't afford it.>SVDSame as the STG-44 though not as hopeless. Still banned here, and still expensive af even if not.>FAMASFrench are faggots for not exporting more. Probably won't ever have one because they're too rare.>SA80Brits are faggots for not exporting more. Probably won't ever have one because they're even more rare than the FAMAS.>HK G36Got it, love it. I have an SL8 as well. Wish I could own all the variants, but I'm happy with the two that I have.>FN P90Have it but I hardly ever shoot it because the ammo prices are still insane.>FN F2000Passed on them back when they were $2,200 average just because I didn't have the money at the time, and now they're banned where I live. The design is not as great as I thought it would be, so I don't regret it from a practicality viewpoint, but it still looks so cool that whenever I see one I think 'I should have found a way to work it into the budget back when I had the chance.'>HK USPI own four of them, and there is no greater hammer fired pistol.>Walther P99I own two of them, and there is no greater striker fired pistol.
>>61536274Plz explain in detail why you like that revolver so much
>>61536983I collect large-bore pistols and fine British sporting guns. That particular pistol happens to be a holy grail of both. .577 revolvers are already very rare, but the 5-shot Tranter is there rarest of the bunch. I own a 6-shot Tranter and a Bland-Pryse already. There are only two 5-shot .577 Tranters known to exist today. One is a rustbucket, the other is that one, which is not only really nice but was sold by Harris Holland, of Holland & Holland fame. So it checks pretty much every box for me: it's a bigass hand cannon. It fills a major hole in my collection. It's incredibly fine workmanship from one of the most famous gun makers ever. And it's entirely unique, which makes it a good investment.
>>61536950>there is no greater hammer fired pistol.why do you tell lies?
>>61530293Rhineland Arms makes a close approximation kit of one called the R2000. And it's not super expensive ($915) and utilizes AR15 parts. May work for you or not but, just throwing it out there since you'll probably never get a genuine WA2000.
>>61537670>those rails>AR15 partsfuck off nigger
>>61537854nta but you sound autistic
>>61537338Interdasting, thanks anon. I enjoy old euro revolvers myself. I like the Swiss 1882 ordinance . The Steyr trial revolver would be a holy grail
>>61537909I like the Swiss 1882 also, the combination of the straw finish on some of the parts and the bluing just looks amazing.
>>61531636I wish there was more revolver carbines out there that aren't .410s
>>61529246Remington RSASS. Yes its because of MW3. Yes its because of autism
>>61538023There's been a pair of the carbine version of the Mateba MTR-8, sorry I can't recall its exact name, up on Gunbroker for a couple years now if you want something oddball.
An original transferrable Colt 601 is my actual dream gun. I'm building a 100% repro at the moment.Sig Rattler SBR with a hux can and an ngal would be cool. Mk13 Mod 5. Mk48. Brand new production K98K in 6.5 sneed
>>61537670Thanks anon. Yeah not quite what I'm after I think but glad anyone gave it a shot at all, and for a pretty low price like that I'll remember it.
>>61534021The AKB-23 thing looks interesting being a dedicated lower and not shell
>>61537338the funny thing about that pistol is that it doesn't look all that big in the photos but it's actually goddamn colossal. Picrel shows the ammo. The cartridge is called .577 Boxer but that's a bit of a misnomer, it was made by cutting down .577 Express brass, and that's tapered, so when the cases were cut down the bore increases; these rounds measure more like .602 bore diameter. It's a nasty fucking round, about the same velocity as a .45 ACP but with twice the bullet weight.
>>61529246I still want that fucking RDB in 6.5 grundle with the wood furniture.
>>61531544nah it makes me mad because it is utterly retarded
>>61530771Five seven is the greatest handgun ever invented in its original milspec incarnation.
>>61535208Fun fact, even just dry firing a Kel-Tec RDB isn't hearing safe. The hammer strike clocks in at 110dB apparently.
>>61531544>>61531468>>61531376LMFAO. As comically over designed and multi tasked as this uhhh…”weapons system” is? You would not be having fun when realizing that the bastard weighs like 20 pounds and has the ergonomics of an oversized lego brick.>full sized rifle>with mounted optics>and a freaking camera>AAANND a literal grenade launcher in freaking bullpup configuration BEHIND the rifle portionIt’s just not practical. Especially for the the kind of onions gen z soldiers we have now? Those air bursting grenades probably don’t even respect the enemy’s preferred pronouns
>>61531132How about California makes their politicians compliant by forcing them to suck a massive chode
>>61539526Probably the closest to what it would feel like to get hit by a musket
>>61540728>forcingJust make sure it's circumcised.
Keppeler KS V Bullpup as a WA2000 cope
>winchester 1897 in trench configthe meme that won TWO world wars and made germany bitch about war crimes. PEAK ASSTHEDICCS
>>61539526>The cartridge is called .577 Boxer but that's a bit of a misnomerMore of a misunderstanding I'd say. The British naming convention would be ".577 Revolver". It's Boxer as opposed to Berdan, so I'd guess they were mostly based off Col. Boxer's drawn Snider cartridge. They'd be a special order mind, but that's the brass that'd most likely be handy for it.
just got one of mine...waiting on can and looking for a decent scope.
Call me a simpleton, but I want a Desert Eagle.
>>61541570It was designed by Col. Boxer, not just using his brass. Prior rounds used the same multi part construction as Adams and Snider.
>>61541597A lot of idiots go “Hurr durr fiddy calibur haha” when it gets brought up, but it’s an awesome gun that’s insanely accurate and can convert to multiple other calibers with a bolt, barrel, and magazine change.
>>61541609Yes but nobody would call it ".577 Boxer", it'd be ".577 Revolver". If you sent your manservant along with a note for a box of ".577 Boxer" he'd be coming back with Snider cartridges.
>>61537338I appreciate this level of autism. I have the world's largest collection of vintage police flashlights and very few people understand how things work when you gets to that level.
OTs-33 Pernach
>P90 milspec>Israeli Negev>SnipeX AlligatorIs 14.5mm even feasible? Like....is there any gun range indoor or outdoor in the US that could take a gun like that?
>>61530293some guy on leddit managed to get one of these for 32k a few years back.
>>61541901>Like....is there any gun range indoor or outdoor in the US that could take a gun like that?Are you actually asking this question? Anywhere in the entirety of the US?Yes, you can drive to the desert somewhere and shoot 1 mile out if you want. You're not going to break a hillside by shooting it. If you really want to be sure, significantly less than 1% of Alaska has ANY human inhabitation. You could shoot your 14.5mm rifle all day and nobody would hear it.
>>61529246i remeber i wanted to buy one 5 years ago when they were around 2.5k hen i found out about the plastic internals and how if somthing breaks theres no fixing it
>>61535030it means they dont whant people making parts for them
>>61541931I mean yeah but are there backstops and targets that could take it? How would you even get ammo for it?Maybe in 2025,when Putin's war chest runs out, he'll have to withdraw and Ukraine can sell the SnipeX Alligator in America.
>>61541901>Remember Negev and look it up on youtube>First video I find I click>The top comment has 340 replies,and it's a boomer fudd saying video games are childish and a waste of time and taking L after L tryna defend it
>>61541989Don't be fucking retarded.
>>61542116What???
>>61542125Ask yourself if an ancient Soviet anti-tank round has a legitimate sporting purpose, and then think about why you asked that question.
>>61542142>Ask yourself if an ancient Soviet anti-tank round has a legitimate sporting purposeYes.
>>61542147Thank you chad-face.>>61542142Does it need one? Do machine guns have a legitimate sporting purpose? Machine guns are fun.
>>61542149>Does it need oneIt's over 0.5", so yes it does unless you're fine with a $200 stamp for every round you manage to find. Protip, it doesn't because it's a fucking anti-tank round.
>>61531497I picked up a bottom of the barrel cracked VKT M39 for $289 in ‘17 from Classic... I later got a SAKO and traded the VKT for a Glock 34 w/lots of Zev extras . felt good at the time, but as time passes he got the better deal...>grail gun?Boer War DWM Mauser carbine in 7mm There is too much cool shit out now so it’s hard to choose, but the new Beretta 9mm PMX, Swiss Sig 500 series in 7.62x39 etc
>>61536950How'd you get an actual G36?
itty bitty brrt
>>61529246Russian tokarev. I'm going to suck it up and build another tok off random parts.
>>61541589lol nice. I just barely got my receiver too, but in my case already have the can. I'm waiting on scope and barrel, even though it's taken months and been years of saving/planning I can already tell the final week or three is going to be the hardest now that it's right there staring at me.
>>61540607>Fun fact, even just dry firing a Kel-Tec RDB isn't hearing safe. The hammer strike clocks in at 110dB apparently.That's pretty normal anon, I've got a fairly high end commercial measuring system for compliance stuff at work and measured a bunch of rifles with actions that loud just from cycling. 110dB should be safe for a cumulative total of around 1 minute 30 seconds of exposure per day according to NIOSH, and since peak action noise is under a second you'd have to dry fire probably a couple hundred times a day, every day, to be over the exposure limit.That said we did speculate about future gun experiments last year on /k/ if the NFA ever got dumped or suppressors removed at least, or even if approval times became like normal guns and near instant or at least only a few days, and it came up. Actions are pretty loud in part because normally it's meaningless, when an unsuppressed gun blast is 160 dB+ who the fuck cares about the action being 110-120? There is nobody who optimizes in any way at all for that or probably even measures it. But if suppression and subsonics becomes more popular I could see eventually other stuff starting to matter and get worked on which would be interesting.
>>61541926>some guy on leddit managed to get one of these for 32k a few years back.Yeah, I saw it too late. Or maybe another one and not that one, but they have come up for auction once in awhile, they're rare but not absolutely total unobtanium (or at least, weren't back then, they probably are now like everything else fun), they aren't one-of-a-kind like >>61536274. But as with so many others here, I have the money now, I didn't have it then, wasn't thinking about it then, so it's one that got away.
heres mine
>>61541540same
>>61541540what about pic related?
The AUG has always been my favorite rifle, I went out of my way to get the NATO mag stock with the bolt release, I love the thing to death, but I’ve always wanted more power, so here’s the holy grail for me
>>61529246AMD-65 AK, I have 4 ARs built for specific purposes but have held off on an AK for ages specifically in the hopes I find another one of these
>>61541540>>61543203>>61543293For me at least part of the attraction of the WA2000 was the mix of stuff. It's a semiauto, and a long action, a bullpup with futuristic aspects, but also classic wood furniture aesthetics. While both of those are neat neither makes me sorry I just went ahead and got an SRS since I can't have the full deal anyway.Also, the Keppeler KS V at least has pretty clean lines. The SRS somewhat less due to more rail/slots, but still fairly smooth particularly in the back. It's not entirely fair and definitely totally subjective but the DSR-1 just looks, busier to me. Not that I'd say no to one.I don't think any of them are real direct equivalents to a WA2000 though. Granted, all of them are a lot more accurate, all have great triggers, and all of them are at least 2-3 pounds lighter. The WA2000 was no GM6 but it was no fairy.
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>>61530571I bought one 12 or 13 years ago when CDNN was closing them out for $1500. It was a lot of money for me at the time, but my thinking was that they weren't selling and FN was eventually going to drop them, which turned out to be correct. I enjoy shooting it and I'm glad that I bought it, but I hadn't considered just how bad the parts situation would become. Fortunately nothing has broken yet but when something eventually does, I'll probably be fucked.It's an incredibly thoughtful design. Interestingly enough, my observations have been that the ergos throw off shooters used to conventional rifles, while newer shooters prefer it. This would make sense if FN was targeting the military market.Unfortunately, it hit the market at probably the worst possible time for military sales, and the price point fucked private sales. I don't see it coming back, which is a shame. It's a good rifle, and really the only update it would need to bring it up to modern times is a slightly larger magazine well that could accept plastic magazines.
>>61543684>my observations have been that the ergos throw off shooters used to conventional rifles, while newer shooters prefer itHonestly this is the case with a number of bullpups. If you've got a lot of muscle memory built up you'll probably feel a lot more negatively about them from the get-go and that initial impression persists. If you are newguns they're quite pleasant. But of course muscle memory isn't some minor detail either, it matters a lot, part of the whole point of lots of training is to build it up. Path dependency isn't unjustified, it needs something big to justify retraining, or else a very long term plan like for a military.
>>61529246These things were like $900 when they were being sold by Century, now they’re pretty much impossible to find aside from retards on gunbroker listing them for pants on head retarded prices. I want one so bad
>>61543901Sorry anon, there's definitely a special form of pain there. Some of the stuff in this thread was quite expensive when new too, so even if it's vastly more expensive and unobtainable now dunno, doesn't necessarily feel as much like one that got away. Stings more when something was a very good price and THEN got discontinued/recognized and now it's hard.
>>61542168>It's over 0.5", so yes it does unless you're fine with a $200 stamp for every round you manage to findThe rounds aren't DDs, only the rifle is. Rounds are only DDs if they contain more than 1/4oz of explosive. Note: not gunpowder, but HE filling. Larger caliber explosive rounds are thus DDs if they contain more than that much HE but inert ones that don't have any explosive are regulated no differently than 9mm ammo.Some people do shoot them the same way some people own tanks, artillery, machine guns, etc. Surp ammo and components are generally available.
>>61543929>Stings more when something was a very good price and THEN got discontinued/recognized and now it's hard.Yup. I'm still kicking myself for passing up a Mateba Unica in .454 Casull for $1300 many years ago. I thought that was too much money, though at the time I had no idea just how rare the 454 version was, nor did I know that Mateba was about to go out of business. And again just a few years ago when Korth Sky Marshals were available on gunbroker but now are unobtanium. I have never regretted a gun purchase, but I have regretted passing up several gun purchases.
>>61537670that is absolutely not a "close approximation"but thanks for trying to be helpful
>>61543684>>61543901Seems like a lot of the dream guns in this thread were going for cheap back in the earlier half of the 2010s, but are now scarce/absurdly expensive. I wonder how it is that prices and availability were allegedly so good during the Obama administration, despite most people I've talked to seeming to feel that prices and availability got much better when we had a Republican in office. I got into guns in 2016 and feel like I missed out with so many people talking about $100 Mosins, $400 K98s, $800 PSLs and M76s, $900 SVT-40s, $1,200 FS2000s, etc. back in like 2012, yet hearing conflicting reports that "the gun market is similar under Biden to how it was with Obama." Not that I mean to make things political, but aside from "muh Sandy Hook," and "muh Democrat president," all the claims of how the market was that are backed up by numbers actually suggest that 2008-2016 was a great time to buy and enjoy guns.
>>61543975I feel that. Maxim 9s were going for like $800-900 right at the end a few years ago and readily available. They're neat unique looking guns, trigger never got upgrades and it is definitely meh but the balance is very comfortable, fixed barrel is cool, they suppress well and they're fun to shoot. And reasonable to shoot since 9mm is cheap too.Now they're unobtainium and the rare times they show up are like $2700+. Fuck fuck fuck.
>>61544176The market wasnt great and that is just rose tinted glasses. The ECONOMY was better but things were rapidly unraveling culture and politics wise anyway so it was all doomed either way.Gun laws are objectively better now, more carry states, actual sanctuaries and insane levels of availability for all kinds of things, only thing thats suffefed are imports and unironic cope devices that were leftover from the AWB days.
The KSG12 is sort of my holy grail, but it's more the concept of it. A dual tube bullpup shotgun would be cool to have. In reality, the Keltec qc is a coinflip, the mechanicals are all too easy to fuck up being all shoved into one area and it's uncomfortable to shoot. The one I shot also had cracking on the plastic which made me nervous to try it.
>>61544176>but are now scarce/absurdly expensiveThere's some truth there, but you also have to consider that there are many different perspectives when it comes to a "grail gun", Some people ITT are calling guns that cost a couple grand a holy grail while you've got others talking about pieces that sell for 6 figures at auction, and that's assuming one even comes up for sale. Yeah it sucks that Mosins don't cost $100 anymore but I think it's a bit of stretch to call a Mosin a grail gun.
>>61544415I know a gunshop owner that loves his so much that he just replaced everything he could with metal parts, it’s twice as expensive and twice as heavy, but at least it’s reliable now.
>>61544464NTA but OP asked specifically:>What is the gun you want to get the most, your Holy Grail?Nothing about whether it's hyper ultra rare or expensive, just personal, which I actually thought was kinda cool because so often these threads turn into richwishing disconnected from what people themselves want in a concrete way. Everyone has different budgets, and some people have practical modest dreams that are still dreams. Refreshing and good perspective seeing guns that aren't that much still be holy grail guns to some people, as well as cool rare ones that someone here still actually for real bid on not just theorycrafted.
My current list of dream guns includes an AN-94, a Gewehr 43 sniper, a StG44, and a G36. Unfortunately, 3 of them are outlawed in my ban state so moving out is a higher priority.
>>61544547>Nothing about whether it's hyper ultra rare or expensive,I guess to me that's sort of implied, because if you wanted the gun enough to call it a "holy grail" and it wasn't rare or expensive then wouldn't you have it already? Calling it a grail implies that it is something inaccessible despite great effort.
>>61544653I mean, that's fair, but I also don't think we should totally lose perspective here and it can reasonably go a few ways. Back in the 90s I did live for a few years around the poverty line. After a ton of work, definitely some luck, and saving which very much involved not buying nearly any fun things I wished for I got to a point where I own a house and some rural property debt free and have decent income including a decent amount of disposable. I had dream guns (and other stuff) that I might not have ever been able to get if life had gone a different way. I feel like it would have been ok for me to call a $3k gun a grail gun for me back then if it wasn't some whim, but something I'd researched extensively and had specifically picked from all the others and was actually really dreaming of not a passing fancy no matter how pricey.Dunno, can totally see your point too. There are things I'll likely never be able to get but have thought of. But still there are tons of choices in the gun world and a few thousands dollars is a lot of money for most of us, and>Calling it a grail implies that it is something inaccessible despite great effort.To me it's something that IS accessible with great effort. Remember, the Quest for The Grail in legend was in fact successful, Galahad got the thing. And as importantly is a singular ultimate goal, it's something to strive for, maybe change your life for to some extent.And this turned into a weird big blogpost sorry about that.
>>61541963Trademark has nothing to do with the patent though. If someone wanted to make parts for the FS2000 or create clones they could, the patent expired, they just couldn't use the name F2000/FS2000.
>>61543326Noice. I wish our industry wasn't so gimped down here. To think we could be poking holes in pork with these... if only. Hope you are having a nice day mate.
>>61529270https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1044261346
>>61544801where is "down here"? australia makes their own for example.
>>61545063Yes, there.
>>61545063I think he means that he can’t own it
>>61545725That in part of course but really what I was trying to get at is that we don't sell our cool stuff in any civilian market. Obviously I would love to have (for example) an F90 here but I couldn't get one even if I got my arse out of here and over to America or one of the less cucked Euro countries.
>>61543240based halo sniper
>>61542508they mail you one after your 4th (You). suually takes a week after the based department calls.picrel is mine, only need one more for a second which will be built into a super duper short g36c.
>>61547942if you got the bipod you should try to get the beta C-mags and heavy barrel to have an MG36 build
>>61548960Pretty much my plan once I send this guy off to Tommy built for the magwell cut, I have all the stuff for it, just haven’t had time.
>>61544176Century has a well earned reputation for making trash. As for CDNN closing out FS2000s, you could always ask them. The number is pretty firm in my head, but false memories are a thing. MSRP at the time was around $3k, which figured into my decision making process. A couple of coworkers bought them at the same time for the same reason.You probably don't believe the stories about $80 moist nuggets at the local sporting goods stores in the late nineties and very early 2000's either. FWIW, that was the sale price, not the regular price. Some of the oldfags forget that part. On the plus side, they were happy enough to haul out 5 or 10 boxes for you to sort through, but they'd get pissy if you wanted to look at more than that. You can believe it or not. If you weren't there to experience the world unloading its Cold War arsenal at bargain basement prices in response to the peace dividend, then you weren't there to experience the world unloading its Cold War arsenal at bargain basement prices in response to the peace dividend. Read an old Shotgun News from the era and report back.I'd tell you about my $300 SVT-40 that "didn't work" because the gas port was misadjusted that I picked up at a WAC show back in 2001 or so, but I sold it a number of years back for a lot more than I bought it for and can't take a picture. Believe it or not. This didn't happen because there's something wrong with you, it happened because the Soviet Union collapsed and a significant portion of the world sold off all of their shit over a decade or two with the mistaken belief that once the Cold War ended, everything would be peaceful after that and there would be no need to stockpile small arms. Eventually most of that shit got sold, inflation went up, and here we are.You missed the boat. It's not your fault. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen though. I know that it's 4chan and all, but there are a few of us here that occasionally tell the truth, even on /k/.
>>61530336I love those but would prefer to LARP as SAPS Special Task Force. >>61531774>>61534558My my former PD let us buy our WG P228’s for $130 with box and mags. A few years ago it was line $130 or so for Sig to do a factory overhaul service which included new tritiums. >>61541563As a fan of shorty shotguns this is on my short list.
>>61529246The KAC PDW. I love the concept of personal defense weapons. However:1. They'll probably never be produced again2. I live in Canada, which means even if I get my hands on one I'll never be allowed to own one without worrying if the feds are coming for me.
>PistolMR-88>PCC/SMGBeretta PM-12>ShotgunShorty 870 (picrel) or Breacher M3 Super 90>Carbine/RiflePara FAL>PrecisionHK PSG-1 or Sako TRG-42>Belt FedM240/MAG Lima
>>61548970I've never seen a C-more on a G36, man it fits good
>unreasonable grail gunsCetme Ameli or a Denel NTD in 20mm. >reasonable grail gunsC96 and B76
>>61549480Thanks man, it works really well too, I’ve taken it all the way to 600yds and it’s pretty easy to get hits, but I’m looking at a PA 3x micro prism so I can have some magnification too.
>>61549268I wasn't on k, but I still have my $50 Mosin.
>>61544626yeah because the only thing stopping you from getting those guns is where you live, not rarity or being a poorfag though.>>61535796I shot one years back in .308. Absolute tack driver. Best accuracy I've ever seen on a bolt action
>>61544791NTA. True "holy grails" would be like the Walther PP Hitler used to an hero, the FN 1910 used to kill Franz Ferdinand, the Carcano used in the JFK assassination, etc. One of a kind guns that are priceless and you'd be lucky to see it or even know where it is, let alone think about owning it. Maybe what I'm describing is more akin to the Lance of Longinus, but you get what I mean.Perhaps a more accessible usage of "grail gun" should be considered as a separate term from and not synonymous with "dream gun" or "unicorn." For example, a USP was a dream gun of mine for a long time. I wouldn't call it a unicorn or a grail because they're not particularly rare, but it was at the top of my list for a long time (until I could legally own a gun when I came of age and had a job where I could drop $1,000 on a handgun.) Yet how would I differentiate "grail gun" and "unicorn?" Perhaps I think of "unicorn" as a rarity that happens upon you. I've seen some rare guns that I wouldn't be interested in owning per se, but have taken reverence in the fact that I was in the presence of something you don't see often at all. Conversely, a "grail" to me implies an arduous quest to obtain something elusive. It implies a hunt. Maybe I'm thinking a bit too Indiana Jones, but to me, it would be a gun that not only requires you to search high and low for an example, but to have the knowledge and financial means to finally reel in your quarry once you do locate it.To summarize, a "dream gun" is a favorite that you dream of owning, independent of price and availability. A "unicorn" is a rarity independent of market value or your desire to own it. A "grail" is a gun that is highly rare, expensive, and desired. A grail can be a dream gun, but a dream gun isn't necessarily a grail. Most examples in this thread are using "grail gun" and "dream gun" interchangeably. It doesn't bother me, but I think "grail" should imply something greater. To what extent "greater" is where the debate lies.
>>61553095Sure I can see your reasonable arguments for that definition, but context matters and in this thread at least OP set it with>What is the gun you want to get the most, your Holy Grail? Have you already got it? For me it's the F2000.Clearly the "holy grail" definition itt is specifically about what any individual anon WANTS, themselves, to buy, the most. Which I like as a thread topic because it's not just people searching "what is the rarest most valuable gun" on google. A gun might not be very valuable at all to other people but a lot to someone specifically for their own reasons. Which I still find interesting, because I like talking guns with anons. Alternatively there are really damn serious collector anons who have hyper rare awesome to hear about holy grail guns, and that's super cool too. I thought it was kinda fun to hear about both, and clearly that's the spirit all the initial responders took it in.
Fuuuck I want one, Stechkins are pure sex
Vhyklops, KS-23, mark 23 and the kochevnik zenitco bullpup ak.
>>61553293they found another one? I remember this lad from the kharkiv offensive, apparently died in bakhmut unfortunately
>>61553095>Perhaps a more accessible usage of "grail gun" should be considered as a separate term from and not synonymous with "dream gun" or "unicorn.">>61544653 here, and that's basically how I look at. And let's also not forget that these things change with time, and that's totally OK. When I was first getting into guns I might have called a Super Redhawk a "dream gun". Now I'd consider a "dream gun" something I'm unlikely to ever acquire.For example: I think the Mateba MTR-8 is really cool, and I've had the opportunity to buy them multiple times. But I've always passed them up and held onto my cash to buy something else. I suspect I'll probably keep doing that in the future, so the MTR-8 will likely remain a "dream gun" for me unless I happen across one for a really good deal. But there's other rare guns which are worth a lot more which I fully expect that I will own one day because those are what I've been saving for.
>>61543326Are you in the states? How did you get a nato stock with the bolt release? thats been one of tge few things holding me back from getting an aug. I hear the steyr mags are awesome but id rather not have to stock up on a new magazine if i can help it.
>>61531774You’ll get used to it, especially if you enjoy the way it shoots (and you should). German Sigs and P series Sigs in general are my favorite pistols to shoot by a wide margin. It won’t hurt to make those upgrades but I’m betting, if you shoot it pretty regularly, you’ll adapt to that first DA trigger pull. I have, initially I would cock when drawing but that’s not a great habit to get into if you ever plan on actually carrying it (I carry mine as a primary in the coldest months of the year).
Surefire MGX. Designed by Jim Sullivan. It’s basically an improved and smaller/lighter ultimax. Constant recoil, ultra useful in full auto. Can be chambered in myriad calibers. And ofcourse it has to be fed from quad stacks. Although ideally it would feed from desert-tech’s 53rd quad stacks. More capacity for its length.AFAIK there are only 2 in existence. One belongs to Surefire, the other to Jim Sullivan.>>61541935Peak aesthetics. Will never be topped
>>61547942yeah thats the plan, just need to find out if I should try and find an actual 20" barrel or see if I can brake and bayo lug an SL8 barrel. I also still need an optic, currently on the fence between a 'cog or an elcan spectre. (ACOG is cheaper but I get mcfuckergerg'd by export, spectres are obscenely expensive but apparently they are just as good but also adjustable)Also the double drum is going to be a massive bitch thanks to ITAR. Any feedback or tips would be appreciated
>>61529286>>61529327>>61530336>>61532014>>61532689>>61535645>>61535796>>61538856>>61541935>>61543326>>61543901>>61553210shot all these >>61554754 i'd love to try one as well. also on my list, M110 and FG42
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>>61532689>but I'd rather have an HK PSG1.These things are really overrated and horrendously overpriced.Sauce: Know a guy that has one, it really is just a slightly upgraded G3.
Made of solid unobtanium.
One of these absolute sweethearts. Unfortunately here in aus its a waste of time as you can't have one on display and owning a handgun is piss fart type of process, and I don't think there are any in the country anyway.
For me, its the S&W 327. 8 shots of .357 magnum in such a beautiful package. Perfect coat gun for being out on your property enjoying life as a free man. Looks so sexy with the wooden grips too
>>61529246Probably an original .416 rigby rifle one of only 189 ever made
>>61531674>>61541935>>61549364How usable is 5.56 with a 8.9" barrel length tho?>>61535837YES>>61537866Based>>61542645Micro-Mini>>61543901Isn't this just a ZASTAVA PAP M77? They're only $1.4k, just buy one, kid.
so so bad.
>>61544836About what i expected for price but no telescoping stock, no deal
>>61535030It means Belgium is still the enemy of mankind
>>61558180C96 in .45 ACP made in the west
>>61529246Dragunov. Fuck svd, I want it old school. I know a dragunov isn't much but goddamn I love shooting 54r. Contender is that new mag-fed 30-06 but I'd shoot the drag so much more
>>61553397looks like the same one and they're just passing her around like a whore for pics
>>61529327These are easy to find if you don't mind fakes/reproductions. If you want an original, that is harder.
>>61531674A real SIG 550 series definitely is one for me. Railed receiver, obviously.
>>61533077Any reason? The QC barrel activate your almonds?
PSA Dagger Compact. Compatible with Glock 19/17/18 magazines, and at a lower price than a "real" Glock. It's like a Hi Point but better
>>61558647poor girl, she deserves better
AN-94 Abakan
>>61537670That does look pretty slick, just as a body kit.
>>61559375Lmao your holy grail is a knock off Glock, you couldn’t aspire to greater heights than a bargain barrel special?
>>61559491>Lmao your holy grail is a knock off Glock, you couldn’t aspire to greater heights than a bargain barrel special? Like what? A Glock 19 MOS for twice the price? What's wrong with a "bargain barrel special" if it does the exact same thing?
>>61559590Like, maybe not a Glock, you know, one of the most mediocre and common firearms there is? I think you missed the entire point of the thread.
>>61529246>What is the gun you want to get the most, your Holy Grail?>>61559601>I think you missed the entire point of the thread.
>>61559601It doesn't say "what is the gun someone else wants for you the most, THEIR Holy Grail?"
>>61530477I would go down the Geneva Coventions box by box to get my hands on a proper SVD with kit. Also a M4 Super 90 and a VSS.
>>61559624>>61559610It’s still a retarded pick, I mean how poor actually are you that a $300 firearm is your “Holy Grail” will affording 1 box of WWB be your “Holy Grail” of ammunition that you will covet and treasure?
>>61559683>It’s still a retarded pick, I mean how poor actually are you that a $300 firearm is your “Holy Grail” will affording 1 box of WWB be your “Holy Grail” of ammunition that you will covet and treasure?I didn't say anything about ammunition. Are you having fun bullying me on the internet? Have you ever heard the saying "winning an argument on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics"?
>>61559712I’m glad you feel bad about your stupid pick, maybe you could try again and not be so retarded this time?>And yes I am having fun
>>61559491His "holy grail" could genuinely be a poverty pistol. Some people just have phenomenally low standards.>>61559590>it does the exact same thingLol, retard.>>61559601>a Glock, you know, one of the most mediocre and common firearms there is?I wouldn't call a Glock mediocre. It does exactly what it's designed for and does so exceptionally well, to the point of having a world renowned service history. It's anything but mediocre. Uninteresting though? Maybe to some. Common? Absolutely. (And I don't say any of this as a Glockfag.)
>>61554754The MGX is one of those modern tragedies where way more should have happened with it, but never will because inertia is against it.
>>61559375You don't have to be so humble, bro.
uzi,uzi, japan
>>61548970It's so rare that Canadians can gloat a little, so I hope you don't mind since a holy grail gun up here is literally an m&p 15 right now, but I just ordered my stanag mag well adapter which I will then proceed to drop into my rifle without making modifications. Folding g36 stock and sight rail are also on my list, but in the end I'll only have a trooned out Sl8, while you are shooting the real thing. This is your 5th (you), your second G36 should be there in 2-3 business days.
>>61559656>Also a M4 Super 90 and a VSS.mah nigga
>>61540717>has everything a modern super soldier needs in one handy little package>this makes boomers seethe
>>61559808Right?!? Constant recoil is as close as you can get to cheating newton and his stupid laws.And quad stacks in the range of 50-80rds are also a no brainer for a really nice unified mag-fed LMG that’s also a small and light regular service rifle.Another slept on idea are really low form factor bullets like the CETME calibers or 5.56 FABRL. It’s free BC and efficiency in short barrels.
>>61531674The 552-2 sp was my grail gun for a while. Specifically one of the ones that were traded in by a law enforcement department ( I don't remeber which one). I found one back in like 2012 or something, and went into debt to purchase it and sbr it. Paid it off pretty quickly, but still got shit from friends / family for paying for it on credit card. Totally do not care, I love this little fucker like you wouldn't believe.>>615317358.9 is not ballistically optimal in .223, but the swiss 63gr ammo works fine for the guns intended purpose. But frankly my intended purpose is to have fun with it.
Grail bullpup and maybe 5.56, got a killer gunboomer deal on a used one.
>>61544329last one sold for 6500, just got mine back from silencerco refitting and refurbing the firearm parts with latest revision, prior to being discontinued.
>>61529246Are you me?>5k I simply can't justify it.
>>61561989>last one sold for 6500, just got mine back from silencerco refitting and refurbing the firearm parts with latest revision, prior to being discontinued.Jesus. Wish I'd gotten like 5 of them instead of one. Didn't mean for it to be a collectors item it's my main woods gun. And I guess with Form 4s now so quick a lot of people who'd have never considered a non-modular NFA weapon when it took 10 months definitely would at a few days.Sure hope SiCo does another run like they've claimed they totally plan to. Though I bet they jack the price way up and call it a Limited Edition or some shit.
>>61534021>ARThat's the PSA Jakl.
>>61529246Magpul masada in its original configuration>this does not exist and I will die unfulfilled
>>61543240my man
>>61529246I want a Holland and Holland magazine rifle
>>61529246>anything with a bayonet attachment >adapter to fit the Lance of Longinus
>>61562628Beautiful
>>61529246Holy grail that I don't have? Probably a transferable M60.The SIG 550 was on my list for the longest time and I was lucky enough to find all the parts and accessories I wanted for my JDI imported PE90.
>>61529246I want an F2000 with a GL1 because that would be the ultimate Splinter Cell fan gun.Even more than just having a Five-SeveN with a LAM.
>>61562718There's always that guy who goes to a world-class steakhouse and orders the pork chop.
>>61557944One of these might be what you're looking for.https://www.rockislandauction.com/catalog/4091/s416-RIGBY/
poor Ausfag so these are my holy grail of guns that I could actually own one day (theoretically)As far as shit that I couldn't own, a multitude of battle rifles/DMRs, full auto where applicable because hey, this is literally hypotheticals, might as well go full hog>G3>either Hollywood model AR-10 or a modern variant like the SR-25>FAL (sad part is if we didn't have the fucktarded laws L1A1s would be common surplus)>SVD, with wooden furniture of course>Garand>M14>SVT-40>HK417 or M110A1
>>61564639I think anon is talking about the first group Rigby made before WWII, though that was 169 guns not 189. None of the ones at RIA are that. The first one wasn't made by Rigby, the second is a double rifle not a magazine rilfe, and the final is a magazine rifle made by Rigby but it's 1995 production so it's not part of the original pre-war production batch.
>>61562012Just wanted to give a heads up, my firing pin dimpled qirh mine being in the 7xxx serial range. After about 2600 rds of federal syntec, brass magtech, and normal federal ammo. I recommend you send yours in for warranty while they still have the parts to fix it. Then keep a rd count data sheet like I have been, I was amazed it was priced at 1450 after having trump jr having it and shooting his in marketing material, this was always going to be a unique gun. Now i need to put money down for a daniel h9
>>61549364Sorry anon, but It’s a retarded execution of a great idea. They cut down the action length of an AR by like 0.4”, gave it a folding stock, and declared it a new category of gun. But what do you gain from this shorteraction length? Nothing at all. They should have gone a tiny bit shorter and stuck the mag in the grip and made the whole thing like 6 inches shorter and possibly holsterable. Can use 5.56 MARS or 221 fireball for this. Otherwise, for a conventional pattern rifle, they can just use whatever off the shelf 6-7mm 5.56-based wildcat and it’s the same thing. Didn’t the whisper line of cartridges exist back then? They literally could have just made a honey Badger in 300 blackout. Alternatively, they could load their 6x35TSWG with ultra long and fine bullets to get it back up to 2.26”, and get the same external ballistics of 5.56 with light-for-caliber bullets but excellent short barrel efficiency. Pretty much anything works better than what they actually did. .
>>61543326You know that actually a really aesthetic bullpup.Is there really no issue with having an exposed trigger like that? Don’t you need to be a bit more careful in how you pick up and manipulate the gun, lest the grip slip and your middle finger pull the trigger or something?
>>61565170It has a ridge underneath the trigger that catches your fingers so there should be no slippage unless you're really negligent. Also has a manual safety. Also if it's anything like the AUG, the trigger is probably heavy enough that you don't have to worry about pulling the trigger unless it's deliberate.Really though, as much as "my finger's my safety" retards like to shit on manual safeties, if you have a manual safety on a gun, you have virtually zero worries about it going off no matter how clumsily you handle it, provided it's also a drop safe design.
>>61558166A vepr Hunter?
>>61564973>Just wanted to give a heads up, my firing pin dimpled qirh mine being in the 7xxx serial range. After about 2600 rds of federal syntec, brass magtech, and normal federal ammo. I recommend you send yours in for warranty while they still have the parts to fix it. Then keep a rd count data sheet like I have beenHuh, seriously thanks for the heads up anon. I actually did need it in for service near the beginning, but that was years ago. I'll definitely keep a round sheet going forward, not sure off the top of my head what my serial is. I actually did write them about it after talking in /hg/, and SiCo claimed to me (like three months ago) that they were going to do another run. So I still hold out hope that happens, and maybe the massively decreased F4 times have increased the odds of them following through a bit? Another anon who was friends with a SiCo guy and did post some evidence claimed (without evidence) that he'd gotten to try one with what would have been their gen3 trigger refinement, what was meant to launch with the non-NFA version.I'll always kinda wonder how that went down, they were all gungho about it, people talking about testing it liked it, then coof it and poof.
>>61535796>a few brit blue collar workers in a makeshift workshop make one of the greatest precision rifles to ever exist
>>61559906I'll give R6 Siege credit for one thing and that's introducing me to a lot of guns I didn't know existed
>>61536104huh, kinda a unique shape
FS2000 has been getting a lot of publicity recently
>>61570290Guntuber vid
>>61529246The thought of a completely silent 44 mag makes my dick hard. I would cream my fucking pants if I am ever in a position to own one.
>>61529904>G11nice>because I'm too lazy to collect my brassHeh. You've given me an amusing mental image of the look on some of the brass goblins' faces to see someone blazing away and eagerly looking for the brass then nothing.
>>61562774You mean just a pilum?
>>61557629They're very sexo
>>61557629Looks like if Zima released a gun for gay rappers
>>61564777NTA but I will never not be jealous of this guy just hunting foxes with a fucking silenced Accuracy International: https://youtu.be/-RdvxAfwikE?t=391t. american
>>61549268>You probably don't believe the stories about $80 moist nuggets at the local sporting goods stores in the late nineties and very early 2000's either. FWIW, that was the sale price, not the regular priceI bought mine on sale for $34.
>>61529246AK DIAS>>61541861Patrician taste
>>61558132>Isn't this just a ZASTAVA PAP M77? They're only $1.4k, just buy one, kid. It’s an M76, they aren’t produced or imported anymore.
>>61582194You can either buy one used from an akfiles boomer or put one together still for maybe $1500 depending on how much you actually care for the scope
>>61544626aside from the AN94 you can shoot all of those in Vegas. Yeah it's kinda pricey but you could lose that same amount gambling which is gay. I also live in a cuckstate so I've never shot full auto before but you can at least hold working guns from WWII and shoot them. I'm okay with what I spent for it compared to the $20 I burned on blackjack lolmy grail gun is the ASVAL but second contender is the groza-- dgaf if it's good and I hate bullpups in general but I like this for some retarded reason.
