Stop buying chinese trashOld >>61424339MFAL comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5V9qYxITW0 [Embed]Resource on what these spec terminology meanhttps://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explainedhttps://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-meanYou shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another.Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements.Some reputable retailers:https://www.jrhenterprises.com/https://steeleindustries.com/https://nvisionoptics.com/https://apollogearco.comSNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noiseEBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sortsHalo: How big the circle of bloom is around lightsPhotocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode isLP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chartIf one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance gameThe numbers to meet or beat areEBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucciHalo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesomeSNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucciPhotocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellarResolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci
>there are people here that don't use the Raid XE (FP)but why anons?
>>61513439Can’t get one for a good price ($3500)
>>61513439Can't buy one for a good price, illuminator center has a square dead spot, illumination at range is pretty eh, and they don't work with FSPs so there's no SOVL.
>>61513432NO
>>61514005Yes
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>>61517236helmet
>>61517260Night
Excited for the M6 update but part of me yearns for another big fat Perst 3, sold mine years ago
looks like every night vision dealer has pulled the argus a4 from their shops, anyone know where to get one now?
What did the director mean by filming this scene in infared?https://youtu.be/pS8JQ4Q20M4?si=HuTLG58rsy4L9lQV
>>61514661Maybe
>>61519095I don't know
>>61519062He was trying to get across that the Harkonen home world/culture is allien to ours and it just looks fucking cool.
wilcox L2G05 + the tri shroud in picrel + Wilcox j arm for 470e?is it a decent price?new to nvg
>>61520643>picrel
>>61520643that's fair
>>61520770bruh why is this shit so expensive
>>61520893I'd say 'europe' but it's really just wilcox. I found a mint G24 for $300 here. but add a shroud and a wilcox j-arm and it's comparable to what you're paying.
>>61520921is it all profit margin or do they actually have such high costs?I cant think they do, i mean it's machined metal, if they make enough of them the cost of the cnc machines and all the other office shit and engineering would be spread out enough, and if they dont they would just outsource it to a company that does cnc, anyway I doubt it costs them so much
>>61521099If they sell it to you for a reasonable price then they can't justify selling it to the government for an unreasonable price.
>>61521127with the contractual leverage the Gov has by buying shittons of stuff in bulk cant they contract down the prices anyway? that's what I dont for when ppl say something's expensive bc they have Gov contracts and cant sell at a diff price to the civ market, why tf doesn't the Gov contract down the price
>>61520643Sotac just as good
>>61521226Even if they do there still needs to be a base unit price which is going to be sky fucking high for plebs like us. Welcome to night vision dude. This shit is not meant for us and all we get is leftovers at a significant mark up.
>>61521226>why tf doesn't the Gov contract down the priceThe way gov contracting works in the US is, they put out a contract and companies that can fulfill the contract put in bids for the price they can fulfill it at. The company that bids lowest wins.Now in theory, this should mean that competition to be the lowest price keeps prices low. In practice, these companies are basically involves in an open price-fixing scheme with each other and the government. The industry execs all collude to keep prices up and the gov officials get wined and dined, are allowed to use their positions to trade on the stock market, and often "retire" into high-level positions in these companies or lobbying for those industries as long as they play ball.So yeah the civilian market gets insane per unit prices because that's what it needs to cost to keep the gravy train rolling. Counter to your point, having things cost so much on the private market bolsters the inflated bids these guys pitch to the feds.
>>61521315Just gotta take each screw out individually and loctite it but yeah, mine's held up just as well as my genuine wilcox
>>61521825but if what you say is true and it's so renowned that were talking about it why is there no accountability being enforced on them by some government agency that oversees shit?
>>61521999>why doesn't congress just make it illegal for themselves to use their positions to funnel tax dollars into their own pocketsShockingly this does not have very much traction with congress despite overwhelming public support.Are you also the kind of person who believes it when the police investigate themselves and miraculously find no evidence of wrongdoing?>Anon discovers corruption exists and asks why someone simply does not put a stop to it Great idea dude, nobody has ever thought of that
Hey I've got a pair of Anvis 9s and have seen people 3d print adapters for the FMA pvs31 bridges but I have no luck finding them anyone have any idea where to start looking?
>>61522207I get your point but the hypothetical accountability institution I was referring to wouldnt be composed of congressman but it would be an independent body, ofc that doesn't mean they cant be corrupted or intimidated
any way I can assemble a pvs14 with gen3 tubes in Europe and is it actually more convenient than just buying a complete one given I'll have to buy everything separately?but I see people saying assembling is cheaper, maybe cheaper than buying new but I'm only looking at used stuff anyway, or at least the secondary market to be more precise, where you can find new stuff just not on an actual online reseller site.gen3 costs more and is rarer but can be found np, just wondering about the economic convenience of itbtw why do fb and other tube sellers obscure tube's serial number ?I know gen3 in Europe is stolen or some other illegal shit but what could actually happen if they didn't obscure it?especially since they might not even be the thief, maybe the 3rd owner or something, or yeah maybe bought it from the thief
>>61523693The way US law works, Congress would need to pass the law to create such an agency, anon. Congress also chooses the budgets of federal agencies.I get what you're saying and in a perfect world all these fuckers would be in jail but that's just not the world we live in.And that's why your NVG mount and shroud cost so much lol
>>61523845lolI thought something like that already existed tho in some way
>>61524137In theory there are a shitload of regulatory agencies and oversight committees.They're staffed with people who are in on the grift.It's genuinely a completely rotten, corrupt system.
>>61514005How does one get this?
>>61524727>another anon chronically fails to read threadsMany such cases. You deserve to not have one since it's literally more effort to post this than it is to read a little bit.
>rovyvon actually sending me a new gl4 pro that's more optimized for my DD ris ii rails for freeS-shit I thought they were joking.
>>61524137There are laws concerning the amount of gifts government employees are allowed to accept from contractors. It's stupidly low (like 25 bucks iirc) but if they have a close personal relationship (Friendship/dating/married/whathaveyou) with someone the limit doesn't (And wouldn't you know it lots of government workers get to be friends with contractors) In theory they're also supposed to recuse themselves from making decisions in such a scenario but realistically they're going to have some influence by virtue of working with the people who haven't recused themselves.There are similar laws for Congress people accepting gifts but there's a hell of a lot that can be written off as campaign contributions where the rules are looser. (There are laws there too but they're easier to skirt and they don't tend to slap you unless you step out of line)
>>61525192is this FP one real? i saw a few spec sheets that look promising
>>61513983>illuminator center of raid-xe has a square dead spotnope. > illumination at range is pretty ehnope.>they don't work with FSPsgood.
>>61518254>argus LWNVM is actually gonewow, crazy. why?glad i got mine. $160 was a steal.
>>61525845Yeah but it's over double the price
>>61527804if yours the 400mw/10mw one?also what do you mean by "more optimzed for ris ii", do the regular ones not work with picatinny?
>>61513432Would you prefer a 32 SNR tube with .6 halo or a 37 snr tube with .7 halo
>>6152848937snr, th difference between .01 for halo is negligible.
>>61528568*.1 halo, oh whatever
>>61528489i have 39 SNR 0.9 halo and it's fine even with fp lasers. so yeah always prioritize SNR unless it's particularly bad.
RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE GIVE ME THE NEW M6!!!!!!
>>61513432>stop buying cheap and functional night vision
how much of a difference does it make to stick to muh Carson body and lenses for a pvs14 but get it used or buy a new condition one but it's another brand?EU market
>>61529471depends on the other brand. theres a lot of shit glass out there. it can cut tube specs by up to 20%. I like carson optics because theyre compatible with everything, from caps, phone adapters, IRIS's, and they have good infinity stop rings. and thats ignoring the excellent light transmission.
>>61529430>Cheap>Functional>night visionThis does not exist.
>>61529350The prototypes have shipped and will arrive this Friday. I think the rest will be here next Friday or so.
>>61530110>Haven't even gotten the prototypes yet and already shipping out the final unitsI don't like that they're doing that.
>>61527877they do, mine fits on my centurion rail with no issue. it comes with a swappable piece that lets you switch between picatinny or pistol rail.
>>61530110nice i am waiting.
>>61530110Is that they will ship the first batch after you receive the prototypes or have you already decided on the setup
>>61525872i jjust got one from boreal defense for that but it seems that cold harbor, USNV, nightfall optics, and aeon tac have pulled them. their store pages for it 404 when you try to go to them.
>>61530579i do know that custom night vision recently was forced to pull their Argus 1431 MKII binos despite them selling really well. apparently due to pressure from L3.do you think wilcox sent these companies a C&D?
>>61530628https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/sites/default/assets/Files/China_Night_Vision_Problem_Final.pdf
>>61530110A week between prototypes shipping and production units shipping seems too short to provide meaningful testing and feedback
>>61530198>>61530366>>61530653The only thing that is going to be changed is going to be the power output of the high laser. It'll either be 15, 20, or 25mW to still have a powerful laser, but not bloom unnecessarily when shooting smaller targets.
>>61527877They work with my sig p320's picatinny rail but didn't quite fit my ris ii rails, so I sent them a pic and video of it not fitting that rail and gave them measurements of it and they just let me know yesterday that they're shipping me another one that will fit my ris ii rail.
>>61530579Cold harbour can eat a dick after the dumb shit they pulled.
Is the Streamlight TLR-VIR II a decent buy for $350 new?
>>61531428highly dependent. I was able to get couple for about $250 (one was used) but this was a few years ago. For $350, you should ask yourself what you want out of it as a LAM and do you already own TLR-1's specifically?? The VIR-II is designed to be a pistol light and struggles to do justice on a rifle (unless you spend another 100 on an EFL). But considering I had like 4 TLR-1's on various handguns (two of which were my carry/training glock), the VIR-II fits all the same holsters which is huge, gives me versatility and saves me money.
>>61531428buy a gl4 for that price
>>61531502>couple for about $250each. 250 each. shoulda said.
>>61531381what did they do? overprice the CHADS?
>>61531428>>61531538For $250 each its not a bad buy, I got all 3 of my TLR-VIR-II for less than $300 like a year or two ago. Just like the other anon said, the stock design was meant for short range distances and for at most a PCC like setup where you are unlikely to use it beyond 100yds.I have one TLR-VIR-II with the EFL on my PS90 and this lens adapter can make the IR illuminator workable out to 100 yds decently well way better than the stock illumination output which can only get out to at best 50yds in a very rural environment.This footage is my EFL on the VIR-II on my PS90, I aimed at a hill to the right where you see two target stands one is closer to me at about 30yds and the one behind it at 50yds and then the hillside behind that is like 100yds or so, then I turn to the left and aim at the further hill to the left and that is at least 250yds away and up to 350-400yds at the very top of the hill from what I can recall when I last used my laser range finder on it.
>>61531502Thanks for the review, it would be for a backup rifle or pdw >>61531514Shit I’ve missed a few threads, is there a review of this in the archive somewhere? Looks too good to be true but if it’s solid then I’ve gotta get inb4 hop or someone blows it up
>>61531597https://coldharboursupply.com/collections/t97-thots-private-collectionHe approves of the celestial
>>61531655>inb4 hop or someone blows it upYou are way out of date. That WML blew up in popularity due to Nick Chen, the guy who used to write for TFB for their Night Vision stuff.
>>61531669what am lujjan type shit am i looking at here
>>61530726My concern is that will you have enough time to function test and make sure laserspeed didn't fuck up before we have 30 (and then 100) duds on our hands.>Captcha unrelated but funny
>>61531723Truth be told no amount of testing that I do on my own is going to be enough for that determination. Despite my confidence in their ability to deliver what I want, it very well could be a dud. This will replace their standard M6 so if you'd like to take a wait-and-see approach, I don't fault you in the slightest.
>>61531806> take a wait-and-see approachAnd miss out on something that "we" made? Hell no.
>>61531685https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1Hkt8nL9m3It’s the lujjan we have at home, just as good.
>>61531836is this that girl from cangen
>>61525285>There are laws concerning the amount of gifts government employees are allowed to accept from contractorsYeah, the gifts get scooped from the peons en masse and given to the supervisors to ''dispose of''.
>>61531806So the initial batch you are going to sell could have a different high output then the final product?
Bro the fucken FP gl4 shit is retared. The upped the price by $500 for something that took no effort.
>>61531836Good evening I hate women
>>61532925Nope. I'll be receiving 3 prototypes on Friday. They will be set at 15mW, 20mW, and 25mW. All 100 of the remaining ones are going to be set at one of those output levels.
>>61531669>Chink supporting another chinkIs that it? Made it sound like they were being niggers stealing CC info or C&Ding Tarsier clones.
>>61531818With you on this. Even if a couple tweaks were made to turn the old M6 into this, it's not like they had to engineer a whole new unit. It would be 100% functional if they shipped em now, we just get the extra step of output/power scrutiny by one of us to optimize laser performance
What's going on with Steiner LAMs lately? I tought beretta would be able to unfuck them yet they're just as bad as before acquisition.
>>61535533https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6WKcyiufKt/I will not support this behaviour
>>61536098>sex with nods on I would try it.
>>61536115Angry PVS-5 boomer is going to be angry at you for using your gear.
>>61532938it looks retarded does the GL4fp even have a low power mode? would be gay to be stuck on 50mW all the time.
To the anon who recommended the monstrum tactical mount, thank you. That was just about what I needed and it was a decent price too.
>>61536098Lol at all these major vendors trying to push photonis tubes. Did everyone run out of elbit tubes or is everyone overstocked on photonis?
>>61536677Very nice, can you post how it looks on your rail? I always wondered how close the monstrum's swivel mount can get to the handguard.
>>61536724L3 and Elbit are just priced way higher than what they were being sold at several months ago.Photonis has no regulatory issues being sold in countries outside of the US.
>>61536739Will do later on when I get an opportunity to take a picture. It's on an AK right now but if you need me to move it to an mlok AR I can for an example.
>>61536766Whichever works easiest for you, I just wanted to see it being installed on a real handguard.
best dual switch crane/surefire for when the new m6 comes out and i get a hold of one? I want the light to be constant on press instead of press/hold on.
>>61538162Axon
>>61538162I like the Unity Axon switch, it has constant on clicky button for the Surefire lead or you can just lightly press the button to have momentary. The crane pressure pad is monetary only and double click if your LAM supports it will enable constant on. This is basically the hot button and mod button melded into one unit.
>>61538162>constant on pressI am pretty certain this depends on the light and not the switch.
If rovyman made a helmet admin light with ir/red/white, what features would you want? Stalk/adjustment, big button for tactile glove work, what else? What kind of mounting hardware?
>>61540958just clone the princeston tec charge pro
>>61536790Here you go. It doesn't look very close to the rail but it brought it in significantly from the previous one.
>>61541042Thanks, it looks good, as long as you like it thats all that matters.My brother was looking into getting one also and so I can show him how it looks.
Woah, what's with that page number? That isn't cool.
NEW LASER SPEED WAITING ROOM!!!! REPORT IN!
why do people jerk off so much on LAMs?passive aiming is the superior technique unless you're fighting an inferior enemy but in any larp fantasy you're going against nvg equipped people. bonus answer: bc they're cool
>>61545013Not every night environment will be suitable for passive aiming, there will be situations where you’ll need to rely on active illumination.Whether or not a setup requires the highest IR mW output imaginable can be debated or at least if the cost of one is worth it’s performance.But again you do you, if you only care about passive aiming then so be it just make sure you get the best RDS or even magnified optics that allows the best possible IR light transmission.
I'm new to this stuff and poor, found a decent deal on some Omni 6's but have got in my head about autogating.Is there any way to tell if a tube is autogated before buying it, and does it really make a difference? Would a non-gated tube be okay in porch light/full moon conditions?
>>61545106>Not every night environment will be suitable for passive aimingcan you explain?>best rdseotech romeo 8Taimpoints >best magnified for nvgelcanthe list isn't exhaustive
>>61545175>elcanOpinion discarded, into the trash you go arg faggots.
>>61545175>can you explain???????
>>61545170None autogated is fine don’t be an idiot with it and you’ll have no problem, you should hopefully get that for around $1700-1900
>>61545013>passive aimingskibidi toilet past 100 yards. too dark.
>>61545260NTA but the 4x works under nods you’re just a faggot.Obviously it depends on ambient lighting conditions just like every other optic
Bushnell x650
Hello cunts I'm not reading the OP I want a PVS14 for ~2.5k what doIs WP viable in that range or no
>>61547915On occasion they get that low, but you have to get lucky. I'll sell you a minty GP one for $2200 shipped and insured.
i want night vision gogglesi planned on hacking my own with a imx462 camera sensor and a infrared light, but then i watched a veritasium video and found out that real nugs don t use a light sourcehow much would the ones with blue screens cost?i guess that those are pretty expensive, so how much do the classic green ones cost?
>>61548164WP for 3500 on sale.
Chinks got sanctioned for giving russians optics, so far iray and argus are bye-bye, worried about holosun and laserspeed
>>61548230I should state, this is a monocular I am referencing.
>>61548242All sanctions against the chinks is theater until proven otherwise.
>>61548242>irayso much for thermals...
>>61548265well, a lot of stores have pulled their 1431's and argus a4 mounts
>>61548242Damn, you aren't lying >>61548411https://www.state.gov/imposing-new-measures-on-russia-for-its-full-scale-war-and-use-of-chemical-weapons-against-ukraine-2/
>>61548496what does this actually mean though? full on import ban into US?
Does anybody here have a TVS-5? How difficult is it to track one of these down and is it worth it?
>>61548549Yup. No more COTIs, no more scopes, no more thermal phone cams. They are not allowed to do business in the US anymore until they are taken off the list.
>>61548553
>>61548549The promise of cheaper thermals and nods is over.>>61548553I have one, they aren't too hard to find. I like mine although I wouldn't call it practical. More usable than my PVS-2 though.
>>61548591>I have one, they aren't too hard to find. I like mine although I wouldn't call it practical. More usable than my PVS-2 though.Gen 2 or Gen 3?
>>61548596Gen 2. I want to buy a gen 3 tube but those come up a lot less often.
>>61548610one sold for under $700 on ebay last weekthe gen 3 tubes are 100% worth it
>>61548591What do you use your TVS-5 for, anon?
>>61548708Mainly plinking in the desert, but also sometimes static observation in the desert.
>>61548242Laserspeed is lucky...for now because its not as big but I wouldn't doubt faggots like BEmeyers/Wilcox push for ban.Holosun and DJI are fucking next
>>61549240i mean they're gonna have to go when we steamroll our infantry across the mainland anyways i guess
>>61549240I just pulled the trigger on one of the ngal clones.
>>61549419Uh, thats not laserspeed. Are you thinking about somogear? That shit ain't gonna get sanctioned.
>>61549437Nah, the is-eg clone. If lasersneed was close to the price of the ngal's I'd have opted for it. As for the sanctions, I still wouldn't put it past the alphabet agencies to fuck with it, even if they're sold as 'airsoft' toys.
>next shoot night shoot in 17 days but I also want to be in europe by thenShit sucks man, /nvg/ page 7 is no place for you to be.
>>61549240>DJI>The biggest drone producer in the USI fucking hope they do. I hope this domino effects and DJI responds by removing all geo fencing, limiters, etc from their US drones in response. >play by the *** rules>get fucked
>>61549444>If lasersneed was close to the price of the ngal's I'd have opted for it.oh you bought the $400 IS clone not the $900 IS clone.
>>61550606That one is also ready to ship while the $900 one is always on backorder.
>>61535533The hell does cold harbor have to do with matbock being a litigious cunt who shuts down any tarsier alternative
>>61545013Idiot. You have never shot past like 30 meters
>>61550606That's still coping.
>>61550741>ready to shipLmao news to me. I ordered mine 3 months ago.
Goddamn it.
>>61551055More time for testing of prototypes :-)
>>61551055That sounds better no? More time for testing, make sure the crane plug isn't skibidi and the power levels look good
>>61551055I don’t mind that means I can buy all my helmet stuff the first half of this month
>>61550975They are from egtactical.
>>61551055I know you probably want to get them as quickly as possible with the whole iray shit going on now but I still think that this is beneficial even if just slightly. Did they ship you the sample test unit already?
>>61551341Yep. They're arriving today. >>61551070>>61551082>>61551260And yeah, that's the bright side. Still, I hate having to delay shit for you guys. Previous communication made it sound like they were going to be ready as soon as we settled on the high output power.
>>61551292General understanding is that those units aren't getting the same QC treatment as the IS ones, which is the explanation for the difference in shipping time.Hope it goes well for you and you get it fast. If the units from evolution are actually as good as the units from IS then my wait time is gonna be frustrating, but I also appreciate that IS lets you choose a la carte which plug style and whether you want an EEL or VCSEL illuminator.
>>61551409>Yep. They're arriving today.That's good at least.>Still, I hate having to delay shit for you guysThis is laserspeed we're talking about here. It's ideal to make sure everything is good and not rushed like mad with QC issues.
>>61551409You have to dunk one of them. It's traditional
Is it possible to maintain zero on pic rail attachment on mlok? Don't want to use loctite as a crutch for everything but may have to.
>>61551471Yes it works fine>use high quality rail sections from arisaka or Magpul>use blue loctite>torque to spec>make sure you don't put it on top of the gas block or it will cook the screwsThat's it. It will hold zero
>>61513432Does anyone know if unfilmed L3 PVS-14s from darq industries are autogated?
>>61551586They are.
>>61551409Nah we’re patient if it turns out well, you didn’t take anyone’s money yet
>>61551606Thanks
>>61551488Perfect, thank you anon. That's just about exactly what I'm doing. Also your post deserves a witness.
>>61548642>the gen 3 tubes are 100% worth itThey are very delicate against excess light input. I killed one to death.
>>61551925Anon you are replying to. I've always heard to never aim them at artifical light sources and so far following that advice has been working out for me. It really bums me out how rare the mx-11620 tubes are and that there is no new production except for Gen 2 Harder Digital WP tubes.
>>61551436I would have opted for the IS but the sanctions forced my hand. If the wait times were a bit shorter, then I would have gone for it.
>>61548275>>61548242>>61548496>>61548549https://irayusa.com/notice-to-irayusa-dealers/
>bought a PVS14>Neato.>everyone keeps telling me that bridging it with thermal is awful and a waste of time and money>buy an armasight sidekick640 anyway>bridged them last night fornthe first time >it fucking rocks>no headaches or anything and spotted a lot of animals around the neighborhood without any issuesWhy do people dislike these again?
>>61552641Well that's good to hear but the fact that the parent company is on the radar and as the war continues I bet in due time their non-chinese registered entities will be targeted.
>>61552676>no headaches or anything and spotted a lot of animals around the neighborhood without any issues>Why do people dislike these again?Because some people do get headaches or just can't form the two visual displays together effectively and basically acts like a monocular NV or thermal vision so it was no different if they just used one or the other separately.Basically you are born different and be happy that you can do something that others cannot.
>>61552676I think the general consensus is YMMV
Holy shit is this thing nice.
>>61552857What is that thing
>>61552857He got it
>>61552857It took waving some cash and drilling our autism into them but, they finally did it.
>>61552857I need
Pretty huge improvement in ergonomics. The weight reduction is not quite as much as LS said it was coming in at 7.9oz with battery compared to 9oz with the old version, but the button placement is perfect. Significantly more comfortable to activate than the old one, and a bit more comfortable than a PEQ-15. About on par with a DBAL A2. I'll be using it side by side with a friend's IS NGAL tomorrow, and we're expecting rain so we'll get to see if the water ingress issues people were reporting with the FL5s have carried over.
>>61553080Did you get an opportunity to function test it yet? Especially the plug?
>>61553114I'm a tapeswitch hater so I don't even own one, but I will tomorrow. Would be hilarious if they messed up that aspect.
>>61553128I'm the opposite and actually dislike having the LAM on top of the rail.
>>61553128Same but looking forward to tapeswitch as an option if absolutely necessary to side mount the lam
What does the underside and mount hardware look like?
>>61553527
>>61553080>>61553575This looks great. Its finally a matured product from Laserspeed, the size and weight reductions remove one of the biggest complaints with the previous models.
>>61552702This isn't about the war. It's about US defense contractors pissed Iray isn't joining them in the price gouging.
>>61552676Anon... I hate to break it to you but you might be transgendered
>>61552676>it fucking rocksyeah thats what you think at first. i had a nox 18 bridged to a unfilmed and it was alright for distance but up close it really sucks. the magnification is slightly different so even if you get the diopeters the same it still fucks with you.its not a matter of IF it fucks with you, it's a question of how much. i sold mine.
>>61554064well and the fact that the chinese government is subsidizing their manufacturing.
>>61553575nice, need photos of the back/controls. and all your photos are perfectly-overhead so it's hard to see if the turrets are sheltered.
>>61554270not him but I still use my bridged setup and it's great
>>61552857I fucking need this NOW
>>61550937The idea was that panning a company for supporting some random bint when other vendors do some absolute nigger shit, bigger fish to fry etc.
>>61554283sweet. i fucking hated mine. its poorfag cope i bought a jerryc and real collimated duals.
>>61554270the nox18 doesn't have margin alignments and it's not a true 1x either.
>>61554333>margin alignmentsdoesnt matter i had a fully adjustable setup>not a true 1xnothing is
>>61547915Hello again cunts I ponied up for a 3k WP from custom night vision. Apparently they're only half an hour from me so I picked it up same day, shit is nice!Now what the fuck do I do?
>>61554539Go shooting
>>61553575Is the IS ngal you're comparing it to the NGAL-EG or the MK4?
>>61554539Let your cat out into the yard and scare the shit out of your cat as you follow it into the dark.
>>61554567Mk4
>>61554539lay on your back in the yard and look at stars
>>61554681Already planning on going stargazing at the cemetery with a qt goth chick tomorrow night, life is good
>>61554705damn. real
>>61554539Yo is that a Barrett?
>>61552475>the sanctions forced my handHow do the sanctions on Argus and IRay affect this in the slightest, dude?
>>61556097he's scared they're gonna sanction invisiblesight, or i guess evolution gear. which doesn't make sense because the sanctions are supposedly because the gear is getting used on ukraine and IS is a one man custom shop who can't even keep up with his orders and evolution gear makes airsoft lasers.
>>61513432I always wanted my own NVG, but never made any good money. Has anyone had success building their own at a bargain?I see some PVS-14s going for around $3G; I'd like to get one for $1G
>>61556113Yeah I know that's what he's worried about, it's just a dumb thing to be worried about lol.Argus and IRay didn't get sanctioned because they sold shit to the Russians, they got sanctioned for undercutting some of the largest DoD contractors. And that's specifically because the NV PACs are made up of ridiculously litigious patent trolls who are used to being the only game in town and have the means to make sure they stay that way.Nobody in congress is gonna sanction airsoft companies making knockoff LAMs lol. Holosun MIGHT have something to be worried about but the idea that Laserspeed, much less a one-autist shop or sweatshops making airshit knockoffs, is so unlikely that's it's actually pretty funny.
>>61556191>I'd like to get one for $1GI'd like to get a rim job from Sidney Sweeney, anon, but it ain't gonna happen lol.PVS14 housing kits with acceptable glass are ~$800 on their own
>>61556191All nodd under a dime will have bad specs, blemmed tubes or both>t. Bought a Russian pvs14 copy for $400 on fb marketplaceThe tube is a gen 3 anvis that's worse than modern gen 2+Look at this cool frog
>>6155634450-50>>61556422 I think monkey's paw is the best way of describing my situation
>>61556422I got an ITT 6010 with an FBI contract tube for $1200. It's pretty good. Has a tiny z1 cigarette burn and that is it.
>>61556306If anyone wants to see a preview of what sanctions do against a CCP corp look up Huawei's performance since they were sanctioned. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/29/huawei-shrugs-off-us-sanctions-with-fastest-growth-in-four-yearsI'm pretty sure there are plenty of industry insiders gloating about the sanctions. But the CCP is too ingrained in the US economy.
>>61554075Damn
>>61554270>but up closeHow close is up close? I have them on the Rayvn bridge so I can just articulate the thermal out of the way.
>>61554303I wish I used/had a reason to use NODs more than I do to justify dropping that kind of dosh on them but I just don't.>I've done every NVG class within driving distance of me >It was only once last October>no woods around to go night hiking in>did lose power to the neighborhood once or twice this winterMaybe someday when I move back west tho
>>61555825It's my structural barrett. I keep it wedged under the shelf to stop it from collapsing from the weight of all the guns on there.
>>61558441>paying 15,000 dollars for a shelf supportOkay Scrooge.
Alright I have a Jerry FB housing and High Fom 4g+ tubes on order. LEts go lads.
Thread must stay alive for our guy.
>>61562344Who's ourguy?
>>61563144Lisan al Sneed
>>61563144Steve Jobs.
>>61563144Lori Chan
NIGHT IS FOR REPLYING TO THE NIGHT VISION THREAD
Erm, Stephen sweatie, please come up and tell the class about your project
>>61563835It's morning now, I guess I am breaking the rules.
>>61564620Weather was too shitty and foggy to get a good idea of where the power should be set to. But both the M6 and IS NGAL did fine in the rain.
>>61566109Isn't the weather being shitty and foggy a pretty good environment for testing the FP capability since you want something that can cut through those barriers?Was there any noticeable difference between the units in those conditions?
>>61566348No, actually. At least not in my experience. In those situations, soft diffuse lighting is significantly better than harsh direct light because the particles in the air bounce the light back to your tube and gates it down.And the biggest difference was in illuminator beam tightness. The NGAL was a little smaller than man-sized at 100yds, the M6 could focus down to a point. I believe this will be more important at longer ranges. It's also JUST dawning on me that people that complained about laser high being dropped a little bit could just use the illuminator alone focused to a point since that would still be 35mW and the two are slaved pretty closely together.
>>61566348Depending on how thick/dense the fog is, if it’s really dense fog then no white or ir light will be able to penetrate it and you’ll just see a white wall.
>>61566610>It's also JUST dawning on me that people that complained about laser high being dropped a little bit could just use the illuminator alone focused to a point since that would still be 35mW and the two are slaved pretty closely together.Is the 35mW Illuminator a constant across the board or will it scale down depending on what the laser is?I’m sure you’ve addressed this but I forgot
>>61566901i think he said illum low was 5mw or something
>>61567056I’m talking about the high end only. There’s different variations of laser output being tested.I’m asking if the illuminator output will be a constant at 35mW across the board
>>61513439I only buy chinkshit from now on since they actually believe in the spirit of the free market and not cuckshit like America.
>>61567209There are old threads where this was discussed into the ground.Ctrl-F is your friend
>>61567209oh yeah the illuminator is 35mw no matter what on high, the only thing he is testing to change is the lase high power
>>61567466>from now onI have bad news for you.
>>61566348It's like trying to use high beams in the fog
>>61570414So in theory if we just hold the laser low enough it will be like fog lights in the fog
>>61570414So still better than regular lights?
>>61567466I bought an AEMS and another EPS carry just in case holosun gets sanctioned
Are the threaded holes on the PVS-14 the same specification as the holes you see on cameras and camcorders?
>>61571149Yes
New be meyers laserhttps://www.instagram.com/p/C6oGrL4rKw9
>>61571281The laser isn't at that black cap right?
>>61571326Might just be the illuminator unless it’s designed to be side mounted
>>61571427If it's the right one, this is Hidamari tier WIDE
>>61571510Prob just a battery cap then
>>61571281>>61571510I wonder if they opted to not include a crane plug, I don’t see one in the pictures provided granted it’s just a prototype render.Looks pretty neat too bad it’ll probably be around $4-5k.
>>615711791/4 20?
>>61571678There is something by the on switch. I see three prongs there. Same thing laserspeed was using for theirs?
>>61571281https://bemeyers.com/dagirhttps://bemeyers.com/blog/news/be-meyers-and-co-unveils-dagir>>61571815>Through our collaborative partnership with Unity™ Tactical that allows for the incorporation of their various remote activation cables by way of our patented Wakizashi™ communications port, we ensure a myriad of control configurations and placement options.A new plug connection and looks like it will be their port of choice moving forward.
>>61572473>proprietary bullshit instead of just sticking to de facto industry standardFirst L3 and now BEMSoon every manufacturer is going to be using their own proprietary port like pre USB-charging cellphones lol.Ironically right after we finally get LS to switch to standard ports the MICfags take a page right out of the LS book.
>>61572789>First L3 and now BEMWilcox had their own port also for the RAID-X/Xe and they made a junction box to convert it to a crane plug and it cost like $300+ or something.I can only hope BEM will provide an adapter to a crane plug and include it in the packaging, but knowing how US MIC work it will a separate item and cost $3-500.All of this proprietary port is due to these MFALs having more complex programming and they want their pressure pad to do the same functions as the buttons on the actual device. Its so dumb, I don't think anyone wants to custom design a feature on the fly its just a one time thing that is why BEM's MAWL is highly regarded in LEO/MIL with its simple switchology.
>>61572962Yeah I'm not convinced anybody really wants or uses all these complex multitap programming procedures lolI actually do like the zenitco multifunction switch system, where a tap turns the laser on and off, holding the switch does temp on until you release, and two taps strobes. But the strobe function I've never used on purpose, and in practice I only use the hold-on function, just like all my crane lasers. Given a choice, I'd take less functions over a standard port and consequently more switch options (that aren't several hundred dollars each lol)Shit's stupid and absolutely a way to pad coffers with MIC money because the new laser does more on paper than the old one, nevermind if the capabilities are worth a goddamn thing or even get used ever.
>>61575856just flip them up
>>61575856>whirs in autogating
>>61513432Is it worth the price jump from Gen2 to Gen3? I keep seeing Gen2 stuff for "reasonable" prices but then everyone flips out and d e m a n d s that I buy Gen3. I'd be using them mostly for hiking, camping, navigating at night without lights, and possible search/rescue stuff.
>>61576615The nicest gen 2 stuff (high end chinese and photonis tubes) can keep up with gen 3 stuff in mixed light environments. In very dark environments gen 3 generally outperforms gen 2 unless you're talking super high-spec gen2 tube compared to super low-spec gen3.Personally I think there are plenty of omni contract tube 14s out there for extremely reasonable prices. My omni vii 14 was $2200 and I've seen them sell for less than that.
>>61576615>I'd be using them mostly for hiking, camping, navigating at night without lights, and possible search/rescue stuff.Lol you don't want gen2 then dude.
>>61573022The Wilcox isn’t some complex button combo. It’s just a pad with three options that you can program how you want. I’m gonna be honest I was skeptical of it at first but after using it during a night competition, having flood to long range be a single button press away was super handy and sold me on its value
>>61576615I got a dipol pvs14 with gen 3 anvis tube for $400 and the specs are worse than a gen 2+ modern photonis
>>61576944How does it get along with having another pressure pad on the rail for WL? The wilcox pressure pad seems like it requires a lot of real estate and I would imagine it gets in the way?
LS Anon - looks like Laserspeed has a different looking updated m6 than yours. Saw on their FB page with photos of their booth at some exhibition. Any insight?
>>61577892It kinda does but I’ve worked around it and I’m happy with the setup . I mounted my raid pad on the left side angled mlok slots. This way LAM is on the side and white light is on top. If you tried to mount all to the top you will have a hard time. Wilcox actually includes a mount that off sets the pad in the same position mine is in. My bigger gripe was just how chunky the plug and wire is compared to the NGALs plug and wire. All in all I’m really still happy with the setup. >pic related you can see the three switch pad on the left side of the rail next to the raid
>>61578306Is their offset mount only compatible with mlok or will it work with pic rail?
>>61578302That's the RMR design that he was screwing around with but with a flashlight and a sticker shopped in lmao
>>61578328The Wilcox mount mounts on the pic rail and overhangs. I bought an mlok mount from fernilab because it was cleaner. IMO and didn’t interact with anything on the top pic rail
>>61513432Rate my specsAlso does anyone know the appropriate torque specs for thr MAX-14 J arm screw that attaches it to a PVS14
>>61580294Good specs, no blem in the screen quality. Looks golden to me.Don’t torque it down with a screwdriver just finger tighten is sufficient and then lanyard the NVD to your helmet just in case shtf and it somehow loosens.
>>61576615My L3 filmless struggle under the WV canopy without supplementary illum. I can’t imagine how bad it would be with gen 2s would be. Guess it depends where your hiking
Opscore ARC Rails actually fit a TW LTP bump nicely. Wtf
>>61583210Are those AMPs on Otto arms?
>>61583210this nigga loves blue
>>61583241looks like it, i've got a set of otto arms and comtac 5s in the mail and i'm excited set them up. speaking of comms, are ptts worth it? i don't have a radio yet either because i have no idea how any of that shit works yet.
>>61583241Yes. search gibbous outfitters
>>61583255>are PTTs worth itYou literally cannot use those comtacs with a radio if you don't have a PTT dude. It's not optional.>>61583210You are now aware that TW are faggots who use proprietary rails for no reason.
>>61583598good to know, i assumed that you used the radio like a walkie without a ptt
>>61513432Can a humble nerf and Nightowl user start a new thread when it is time? I came up with what i think is a valid war use of the Modulus.
>>61583605I mean you could use the radio like a walkie but that makes the $600+ earpro with a mic and a comms downlead sort of a waste of money, doesn't it?
Here is how your insurgents/child soldiers use the Nerf IR.>Take out the near IR LEDs in night mode, set up a hut to just take them out with a soldering iron and bridge the connections >Use a knife to fix the viewer so the screen doesn't light up your face and spray paint it black so it doesn't glow too much >Spend a week beating the concepts of passive IR, active IR and laser designators into their heads Basically train them to use it as a device to detect IR illumination and as a warning system in case there is a IR laser designator active. Also if the moon is out the day mode functions as a slightly useful starlight viewer.Is this idea retarded or viable? Use it as detector, it would pick up stuff like NV cameras, old style 'invisible eye' systems and i'm quite sure it would see a IR laser.
>>61583807Some of the US military's early harsh lessons in IR discipline in the GWOT era of "lasers always on strobes always on" came in the form of insurgents removing IR filters from cheap digital cameras, which don't do shit as night vision but they'll let you see IR signatures well enough to get a fix on a position to shell if the people you're looking for aren't practicing good signature reduction.So you're not wrong but it's something literally any digital camera is capable of
>>61583884I think now the sop is either passive aim or use the laser as quickly and frugally as possible. active aiming still the fastest way to shoot a rifle under nods, so they will still have their place.
>>61585847It makes sense to me to initiate contact passive and switch to active with a heavy emphasis on minimum use of aiming lasers once shit is popping off.
for passive aiming should i swap the romeo 8t i have on my 12.5 night gun for the elcan (and add a piggyback) that's on my 14.5
>>61589207Get a T2 for the shorter gun
>>61589604i have a t2 and a 4t-pro, should i swap the 8t for one of those?
Really regretting ordering MH-1 from Nightfalloptics.Ignorred my emails asking to build my unit with boomslang lenses, built my unit before we can talk about specs, gave tracking but havent dropped off to shipper for a week now.
>>61589619Dawg, you have the optics on you. Go test it out and see what works for you.If you really need that epeen and need to have the opinions of others to form your setup then go to arg or some faggy gun centric discord or w/e zoomers do.
>>61589627Is email the only way to contact them? You can always threaten a charge back if they do not contact you before the unit actually ships.
>mis-measured and now need to get a mid length gas barrel instead of carbine length/blog post over sorry
>>61589809He paypaled me some money back after I threatened to cancel in the first place, got tracking the next day but zero movements since
>>61589858So you had a prior issue with this retailer and you still choose to continue using their service?I don't even understand.Well threaten him again if there is no update on either you getting specs you want or the unit not actually shipping then fully commit to the threat and do a chargeback.Also never send cash on these high priced items, people are much better off having the banks dealing with these large transaction and they will handle any chargeback much quicker and easier than bullshit from paypal or venmo (owned by PP) and other cash transfer app services. That cash discount they offer is not worth it with all this hassle you can be dealing with, such as what you are dealing with.
>>61583884>>61585847The Nerf IR is slightly cheaper and can be mounted on a gun to take shots at a active IR source. Also as mentioned it is a actual (really bad) night vision device, $250 to equip a squad seems sort of justifiable if only from a sensor awareness view.>The big push on the regime comes 4-5 business days after Prime Day
>>61589887Shoulda ordered from from the jews at cnv. Got my mh-1 fast as shit from them.
>>61590788How do you like it so far?
>>61590788Good luck if you need any warranty work, tho
>>61590788Looks nice, dude! What's the weight as configured? I just got some Katanas for my wife, but I'm still intrigued by the gain control on these.
>>61591230Ha! Jokes on you this is my second warranty claim with them. Last year this time i had an emission point. They swapped the tube out with a different one with slightly better specs. Had it back in a week.This year i broke my piece of shit bnvd1431 mk2. The niggers at cnv gave me a $500 cred towards a new housing
>>61591521Was it a hard and fast "Buy another housing or fuck off" or did you choose to upgrade?
>>61591246Idk. I think its 520 gram with carson optics. Plus another 60 grams with adjustable iris shutter things with sacrificial lenses
>>61591545I asked nicely if they could do anything. The guy said “yea i can do a couple hundred off.” So when it came time to pay once they got them in stock i was expecting to like $1800. Guy callz me and says “$1500.” me thinking “ I thought you were jewish”
>>61591580Why do you think the 1431 mk2 is shit? Because it broke? Were you the guy that slammed it into solid ice?
>>61583210Are those otto arms as good as amp arms?
>>61591638some claim they're better, heard people say they give a better seal than amp arms and won't break like amp arms are prone to since there's no small parts
>>61591648Right now I got a chink bump shell with blem opscore rails and unity marks. When I get a ballistic I'll probably get those. Can you pop them in an out like 3M or are they fixed?
>>61591669yeah you can pop them like the 3m mounts, they're basically just if the 3m mounts and amp arms had a kid
>>61591676Alright I'll buy some later. Probably gonna get a surplus ACH for ballistic and move peltor *cough rangeguards* to it and then get a better bumpo
>>61513432New thread >>61592744
