/brg/ never dies editonPost wood (furniture)(but seriesously post wood)Tips and tricks for guns smithing found hereIs WVLRN good or JAM city? Stay tuned!All the best frens stick around post 310. Mr Morris is not welcomedThread theme: https://youtu.be/oaJQrfTo46Y?si=jasr2tdnVaWxNrvBAs Always No Trips, No Traps, No airsoft. Anime and middle aged anon life advice always appreciatedPrevious thread: >>61450161
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>>61502068
Managed to get here before the weekend.
>>61502654Alright I'll bite, how is it in terms of quality?
>>61502689Too early to tell obviously, but fit and finish smell and look like PTR. But there's no PTR markings anywhere in the receiver or barrel. I took it with me quick to the indoor range and they only had a single box of 308. But it ran 20 PPU soft points without any immediate concern. I'm taking it out with me tomorrow for a more lengthy shooting session.
>>61502753ty, keep us posted
>>61502753Oh and the color doesn't really show up on camera well. That photo makes it look like it has much more of a brown stock but it's nearly the same color in person as the handguard, a very dark green. Grip is only green around the edges but definitely shows up grey in the right light.Other than that I had to shim the handguard with a bit of aluminum foil and beer can.
>>61502654Oh damn that was fast
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>>61502753Waiting warmly for the good word on these things.I hope this incentivizes PTR to drop the base prices on their own 91s. I'm kicking myself for not getting one when they were still $900 or so.
>>615020686.5 Grendel
>>61502654Rear stock is brown?
>>61503943Color is all over the place. See >>61502785.
>>61495711>Wlvrn anon from earlier. Havnt had any issues with my mags falling out. I have had stove piping due to what I assume is overgassing. I feel like they didn't get their sizes right with the gas plug. I am currently using mine on the 2nd lowest setting with a Huxwrx EL-QD suppressor. And if I go higher I seem to run into stove piping, or even this weird issue where the empty casing will turn 180 on the chamber. And that was happening on the normal and one setting below that. I think it has to do with how big the opening of the ejection port is and if the bolt runs too fast, the casing cannot eject out fast enough. Next time I take it to the range I need to try it without the cover. Best 5rd ground was about 1.3 moa.Thanks a bunch for the report again anon and any future ammo experiments you do. Like with the MDR & MDRX I suspect some guns will be perfect with zero problems running for thousands of rounds. But it's definitely not good that it's still not consistent, or that they didn't nail this down ahead of such a total rebrand. With my 308 MDRX I never had any magazine drop issues with either PMags (which is what the gun came with fwiw) or metal SR25s, but the fiddly gas and ejection sounds very, very similar despite what should be a pretty different system. Which raises the question of what they were gaining here in the first place if the issue ultimately boils down to them not doing enough testing to get the ports/timing right.
>61499060>There should be no reason these weapons are lovingly handled and checked before going out, there's no way they sold even 10,000 MDRXs over the course of its runI could see them having gotten somewhat above that, mine from years ago is in the 7000s serial #, but yeah agree overall. My problem here to some extent is their weird approach to it all and expectations. This really should have been the MDR3, with hopes set accordingly. Another little evolution that improved some aspects (accuracy and weight) and without dumping FE, and taking full and well tested advantage of the new gas flexibility (no more fixed rail section). And frankly while it shouldn't even be needed but if they needed to it'd be better if it was a $2800 or $3k gun instead of a $2500 gun if it meant they paid a few hundred per gun to have each one individually gone over and a random 10% sample of the guns had 1000rnds put through them. Or whatever it took to nail things down. If someone is willing to pay gucci price they're willing to pay a bit more to have it be rock solid 100% no bullshit.Instead they did this whole big relaunch, and flat out removed a major feature, all in the name of reducing QC complexity and so on. So they sort of shot their load in terms of a chance to draw a line under a rep for issues. I'd think if nothing else they'd take a hit on the first 500 guns or something at least, make sure all the day 1 order guys were super ultra taken care of. But apparently not. The improvements seem real and encouraging, people like the gun and ergos, the lightness in 30cal, the better accuracy, but man, I dunno it just feels so weirdly done/rushed/half baked somehow.
>>61502995Ah, a fellow Stag 10 enjoyer I see. >Maybe this will become, like, a cool thing, owning a Stag 10
i put more parts on the falno bipod because it just fucks with grouping in my experience, 30-round mag support works better
>8.6 blackout barrels are starting to come to market for AR-10Kind of want.
>>61505950I kind of want one too. An 8.6 blk AR10 pistol sounds neat. Or maybe a jakl in 8.6 blk. Going shooting today, bros
>>61505950Kinda interested someday but too early for me, it's going to be a long time yet before it can achieve 300bo cheapness and ubiquitous options if it ever does.That said the recent form 4 approval speed changes have made the thing more attractive since it's both built for suppression and requires a new suppressor, unlike 300bo couldn't just reuse my existing 30cal cans. Approvals happening in a matter of days though lowers the bar significantly.
>>61506030>Going shooting today, brosLucky bastard, post pics plz, I need a view of freedom
>>61505950I now have interest in this.
>>61503859I bought a PTR-91 for <$800 but that was 10 years ago, it was pure dog shit. I want another and the CAI ones look appealing.
>>61506820What was bad about it? I thought they were fine until their QC dropped during quarantines.
>>61507328They are, there’s just a couple guys that say they were awful and when pressed, the best you get was “Idk it didn’t work it was a piece of shit” or “I sold it idk”, they’re just bad faith statements meant to poison the well.
Perfect day for shooting, but it was range clean up day. I just want to shoot steel at 300 yards. :(At least my dues get reduced for participating in the clean up day.
>>61507328Mine would jam up where the bolt would bite the mid section of the next round's casing. I put several hundred rounds through mine and it never improved. I had to send it back to PTR.>>61507342>bad faith statementsExcept people did have problems with them. In addition to the jamming issue, my rifle came with rust in the barrel. PTR had really bad QC even before COVID and many rifles never should have left the factory. I'm talking about out-of-spec mag catches too. PTRs are cool but they really are shit, the barrels aren't even nitrided at a minimum and life expectancy is 4k-6k rounds lol.
I just scooped up a PTR-91 yesterday for 900 bucks. Seems to be in good condition. Did I do good? Also, any protips?
>>61507721Learn how to check the bolt gap with a feeler gauge.
>>61506462Beautiful day to go blasting.[Run through the jungle starts playing]
>>61507768The boys i took out today. Performed flawlessly. Most of the missing from human error (I suck, currently, but i'm getting better)
>>61507719Did they replace the bolt?I just got one, I'd like to know what issues I might find.
>>61507783Here's the range. It's not ideal, which is perfect. Have to shoot around trees, through bamboo grass, and there's only a narrow view of the targets.
>>61507802Here's the backstop/target set in progress, the little orange blur in the earlier pic. I recently set it up and haven't been able to really use it. It's not perfect, it's a work in progress.
>>61507813Oops! (I love .308) Anyway, I won't post any other targets. As I said, i'm still bad at shooting but i'm taking serious strides to get better. I hope to shoot seriously at least twice a month.
>>61507802Looks like a german forest, what camo do you wear when larping?
>>61508094Eh, i don't own any camo, but generic woodland camo would do around here
>>61508107Flecktarn is to dark, something more like Multicam would work very in that forst. Also get some camo, even I own that ;_;
>>61508125Feels larpy. I feel bad for even having a modular surplus vest with a bunch of pouches and dSuch.
>>61502753Had really bad mag caused issues in today's session. I don't know how it didn't happen yesterday considering it's my only mag. Whenever there is an even amount of bullets in the mag a light tap will send the top round flying into orbit. It did cause some of the funniest stoppages where the bottom stripped round makes it into the chamber but the launched round prevents the bolt from closing because it ended up rattling around above the carrier. Inspection of the mag it kind of lop sided. Further shooting is stalled until I get a few new mags in.
>>61508150Its called board culture, when WE do it its not larping. A outdoor trip with a rifle, fire and camping just needs camo. I would even say more Anons have camo at home that we got Anons with IRL friends
>>61508257Wasn't doing any of that, was just out on the family property to shoot
Found a waffle at the show today.
>>61507719current barrels are 4150 chrome moly. also I've heard of people shooting 10k rounds through them without the barrels going. both me and my friend got one back in June and both of ours have ran great, no ftfs or anything.
If I want to keep my SCAR 17S at 16in, what's a good muzzle device over the stock FN muzzle brake thing?
>>61507328I had a ptr also. I am too lazy to go look for my photo with owl and my ptr. I was not overly fond of it for several reasons. Their issues are real, but are probably not as common as they are with Century made stuff. I hope the Century rifles are better made though, I want to give a G3 type rifle a second go.
>>61508669Why do you want to change it? Regardless, the answer is either a suppressor compatible muzzle device for your preferred suppressor or a neutral 3/4 prong flash hider.
So a friend of mine got me the 100 round helix mag for my PTR for my birthday.Now with it having a xps2, magnifier, wide handguard with bipod, carry handle.What else is there for me to do with it?Considering getting the tacticool psg stock or that boot shaped thing to make it more LMG'y.Goofy ideas are welcome.
>>61505118NP,I'll probably post in brg whenever i come across anything worthwhile about it. Was planning on going shooting again tomorrow but its supposed to be storming all day sunday. really wanted to try to see if I still get some of the weird FTE issues without the ejection cover.>>61508669You could go with a flash hider if you don't like the aggressive break on it, otherwise a suppressor QD mount if you plan on suppressing it
>>61507768>>61507783>>61507802>>61507813Thanks anon I need a day like that
>>61508792Similar weather here so probably won't be taking out my MDRX either not that anyone needs more data on that thing lol. Also not really brg but I am excited to get my SRS receiver next week at long last, though still waiting on barrel and scope probably another week or three. But my 3-4 year planned gun is coming together.
>>61507802>>61507813Beautiful. I'm working on my own range ideas for out back innawoods on my property so always inspiring to see what others do. Really hilly here so probably I won't be able to get more then 100-200yd max in any decent line but it'll be mine and right there which counts for a lot.
>>61508701The new Century guns are made and put together by PTR (allegedly).
>>61509077Yeah, I started setting this range up about a month ago. Had to go through with a machete and cut down a lot of vines and bamboo grass, and then went through with an axe and chainsaw to down some trees until I had roughly a hundred yards of clearance. It would be harder to do more than that, but it's worth it.>>61508968we all do. it was nice. Looking forward to do it again in a week or two.
>>61508787>100 round helix magBeta C-Mag?
Is changing the barrel on a Garand particularly difficult? Thinking of replacing with a Criterion
>>61508596nice. how much?
>>61508701Hey Owl!
>>61509435Yeah
>>61505381It was on my wishlist for a long time, jumped on it when I found it for $888
>>61507721You did good. There will always be unhappy people, ignore them.
>>61507829>(I love .308)Hits hard, we all do, fren. We all do.
>>61508150>Feels larpyIgnore the feels and go for style points with RBS.
>>61508219>get a few new mags in.A few? Just get 20 @$8/ea while you can.
>>61508257>with IRL friendsHey, I resemble that remark.
>>61503751>No Trips, No Traps, No airsoft
>>61510140Hi fren!
26 km hike finnished with a range trip this Saturday. Backs of knees hurt but I am happy.>>61507802Nice.>>61509077>hilly hereThat just means you get a good backstop for free, right?>>61508125In those conditions, Pencott Greenzone might be just perfect.
>>61511677>>hilly here>That just means you get a good backstop for free, right?In all seriousness, "kinda", because I'd still like 100-200yd where I'm actually shooting at least reasonably flat right? A flat stretch going into a hill or cliff would indeed be absolutely ideal, bit of work with my tractor or just by hand even and done. But when I say "hilly" I mean that I'm literally not sure I have a usable stretch of flat land that long anywhere on my 100acres and I've hiked almost every square foot. So I'm thinking what I may do it an elevated platform or 3 to shoot from, like 20' up, aiming into a hill so that I get 100-200yd flat through the air. I can hang targets in trees at 25/50/75 after that, or maybe have the 10/25/50 ones be on the ground so I can use them in exercises that involve some movement.Which honestly I'm actually a little hyped about now as I've planned it, I always loved making tree houses and hides and here's an excuse to do something fun like that as an adult. But in terms of "free" I'm trading getting a perfect backstop for zero money or effort for having to setup the firing position with money and effort. Although another advantage is I won't have to worry about most ground clearing at all either I guess.
>>61509056Nice, Im also hoping to have a gun I've been planning on for about 3-4 years to be finished. Gunsmith building it has told me it was in the current batch that was being test-fires so I'm hoping to receive news within the next week or two
>>61512617Fucking awesome, that's gotta be exciting! What are you getting?One weird thing is for me at least I'm finding it a little harder then I expected for the final wait, which is dumb because I'm no stranger to waiting, I've got a number of cans I waited 8+ months for and after the first one I'd sort of forget about it until approved. And this has been a long term deal of saving up and researching. Yet now that the home stretch is in sight I find myself anticipating it more often. Brains are uncooperative sometimes.
>>61511384IMAO, still better than being born british
>>61512196Nice to see other people seriously considering setting up their own brush ranges. Just start doing it. Don't think about it too much. Just start by trying to find the most optimal spot on your property and going from there.
>>61512971I've been doing the surveying, free time comes and goes but you're definitely right should just buckle down and get started. To some extent have just been waiting for winter to be over which it now is, but also I've been hoping to buy another 25 or so acres of woods out back from a neighbor which would make things a lot more convenient and be a cool area for this. Really nice guy and a good farmer, sadly his wife just passed, and I'm sure as heck not going to press him on it right now. Maybe later this summer though.
>>61507829What distance were you shooting at? What ammo? Id be so pissed.
>>61513129Roughly a hundred yards with plinking ammo, PSA's AAC brand .308 150gr FMJ.It's not broken, it just spun so hard it flew back and wrapped itself around the support.
>>61507829>>61511339>>61513173fwiw you can sometimes get 308 frangible real cheap which still has a satisfying boom and is damn fun at shorter range on steel. Silly fun with a bunch of small targets in the woods around trees and rocks and such to run around zapping at, also a decent workout with a BR
>>61511373>A few? Just get 20 @$8/ea while you can.This. Mags are consumables, and standard ones are cheap. Don't be stingy about 'em, it's such an unnecessary waste of your time/money to have mags cause any issues ever.
>>61511373>>61514708Shipping time is a thing. Mags should be here mid week. I wasn't expecting Atlantic to actually ship the rifle that fast l normally they take 2-3 days.
Night frens
>>61517395Sleep well fren.
>>61517395Sleep tight
>>61502068I recently bought an FAL, where can I get 30 round magazines for them, preferably the ones with the slight curve design?
>>61518333Metric?
>>61517395don't sleep too tight, minorities could break into your house and rob you
>>61518349I think so. It is an SA58 DSA FAL, I have an Israeli mag in it rn which is having no issues with.
>finally got eternal EEEEEEEEEEEEEE in other earwow this sucks!
>>61512196>elevated platformThat actually sounds pretty awesome! Or perhaps you could shoot from one hillside to another, a bit like those Swiss ranges where you shoot 300 meters across a valley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5capbhKlVASince you are not going to shoot over a main road, all the "shooting prone only" limitations won't apply.BTW having a flat range is essential, but with the hilly terrain you get an extra opportunity to practice shooting uphill and downhill which is quite rare.Anyway, I envy you burgers that you can set up a range on your property without asking.
>>61519024No reason to not get a suppressor right now anon, they're approved in a month usually. Save your hearing!
>>61518333The curved ones are british mags for L4 7,62 NATO Bren gun, interchangeable with the L1A1 rifle 20 rounders, i.e. inch pattern.Your rifle is metric and would take the straight metric 30 rounders intended for the FALO heavy barrel FAL (Israel, Argentine and couple others were using those). Beware that there are also inch pattern straight 30 rounders (Canadian, Australian, NZ).Inch pattern curved mags can be altered to fit into metric receivers, IMO it's a waste since they're getting scarce anyway, but you do you. It's not a completely trivial task though.
>>61519024Sorry anon, that really sucks. Are you sure it's eternal yet though? Sometimes it does fade down or go away after a few weeks/months with care, though you should be absolutely ultra fucking careful about noise going forward. As other anon says if you don't already have cans you should. You'll have to experiment, apparently for some folks a bit of light white/pink/brown noise can help a bit. We had an EEEEEEEEE thread last year that made me look again, apparently for the first time there are some promising research results on medical treatments coming along though still a ways from phase 3 clinical trials, but maybe we'll see some real help this decade.Obligatory fuck cans being on the NFA.
>>61519276>That actually sounds pretty awesome! Or perhaps you could shoot from one hillside to another, a bit like those Swiss ranges where you shoot 300 meters across a valley.That's a cool idea, and indeed I have something just like that which is almost 300m on the dot at a good point and could adjust for 300yd probably. However I only own one of the hills so it'd have to be a cooperative thing and both I and neighbors have made some trails down below for us and friends to walk/ski/snowshoe on (though I think I'm the only one who really walks back there much outside of winter, it's one place I take my cats), so that's a consideration. Think I'll just start with trying to figure out a good solid shorter range thing, then invite others who like to shoot and we'll see what happens from there.>BTW having a flat range is essential, but with the hilly terrain you get an extra opportunity to practice shooting uphill and downhill which is quite rare.Yeah having some up/downhill isn't bad at all per se, just not as the only thing.>Anyway, I envy you burgers that you can set up a range on your property without asking.It will vary a ton by state and region. Some are much more property owner friendly then others, though not always in the way you might expect. Setting up a shooting range or just wandering around shooting anywhere that isn't explicitly posted? Have fun! Building a little shed for my mower and stacking wood? Adding an extra room to my house (which is not on any town water/sewer)? NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT SON.
>>61519303>Inch pattern curved mags can be altered to fit into metric receiversSomebody made a whole industry of doing this in Europe in the 90's, since there are fucktons of such professionally converted examples around. I own one myself and it's the only metric-lug mag that has fed reliably in my inch pattern gun (maybe because of the inch mag body measurements?)
>>61519024Sorry Anon, how did that happen?
>>61508787>a friendsomedayHave you run that mag yet? curious to see the dependability
>>61519024Had it since I was 3. Sucks
>rare absolutely beautiful set of april days>have to spend most of it flying or in meetings for work (though at least got to fly business class)>finally back and have some time off>weather turns to typical cold drizzle rainy crapfugg. not that it will prevent me from doing some shooting anyway this week but as I get older spending rare gorgeous days inside feels worse and worse
Speaking of the CA-3, got an old CETME Sporter from them. Think it's worth it to trade the latter for the former, or should I just save money? Also I have no clue if mine's got the messed up receiver or not
>>61519024kat did nothing wrong do not blame kat :(
What are my best options for a Cuckifornia-compliant G3 or FAL derivative rn?Is this:https://wbtguns.com/rifles/ptr-91-a3sk-factory-featureless-california-legal-308-7-62x51/sufficiently on gyatt Skibidi Fanum Tax rizzed up?
>>61524609>Shark finJust so awful. I mean, for those who must comply, you can do this and laugh your ass's off. But just know how bad things really are. Not being smug, just sayin'.
>>61507784I have no idea what they did, if anything, I sold it to a Cuban guy after it came back from the factory.
>>61507783Based Steyr enjoyer.
>>61519299I won't lie, I'm a new gun owner and I genuinely don't understand the process of buying and registering a suppressor (I just haven't bothered to look it up), and I don't want to have to pay dark brandon for the stamp>>61519717First ear was from when I was in the military (mortarman), this ear was when my shitty foam ear plug fell out right as some nig was blasting an ar pistol at the range. It's been a month and it's still ringing.feels fucking bad man>>61524436she can sniff the muzzle (as a treat)
>>61524609>>61526172god damn it's just so sad
Please be respectful.
>>61519024>Why has thou forsaken me?
>>61526172They get what they deserve.
What's the story on the Beretta BM-59?
>>61529257Italians took the M1 Garand, rechambered it for .308/7.62x51, and made it use box magazinesThat's it. And it's still better than the M14
>>61529257What would you like to know?
>>61529622>>61529553Is it essentially an M14 without the problems?
>>61529634in a nutshell yeah. hilariously enough you could argue the m14 plagiarized the bm59 seeing as the pasta garand started development and fielding before the m14
All together now.
>>61529914Beautiful. Love that wood.
>>61530191Thanks fren
>>61529914Is that the 3-9x POSP on the left?
>>61530449No, it's a fixed power. I don't even know if it is belarusian or some kind of chinese copy as I got it for free as an extra. On the name plate it only says in cheaply printed text "PSO-3" the magnification looks to be around 8 or 9. It handles zero pretty well so I doubt it's a toy but I'm not really a fan of it, I think I'll put back the 4x original chinese scope.
>>61530522Ah ok, it looks remarkably similar to the POSP I mentioned because my friend used to have one and it was yuge. He sold it and bought an 8x instead
>>61529634here's your M14 without the problems needs m80a1 130gr
>>61503859It’s hard to believe not that long ago you could get a PTR for $900 and a Cetme for $600
>>6150865210k is what I hear too. Still dumb, wish they could get those M240 barrels PSA puts in their AKs and for whatever doesn’t in their AR10s. A PTR with a 15 - 20k plus barrel would be fantastic.
I heard AR10s are better bought as fully built rifles rather than piecing together like an AR15.Is Windham a good starting point?
>>61529914:D
Is thier a place to get wood handguard and stock for my PTR91?
>>61529257>BM59Well, it's Eyetalian for 59 bowel movements, so there's your clue. It's a long action rcvr for a short action cartridge, designed by fascist spaghetti humpers in loafers that drink wine for breakfast and spit covid for lunch, when they aren't being surrendering cowards or feeding Christians to lions or raping children... So of course you want one.
>>61529914I am anon and I approve of this post.
>>61530832Nice, we don't get enough gifs in /brg/.
>>61531319This is a very bad ass rifle, fren! I would unironically copy you with no shame.
>>61533914Factory surp seems to have dried up a year or more ago. I got picrel from Numrich's filename.datThe best option you have is track down an SL7.
400rd cans of 147gr FMJ for $320/.80 cpr on sale at dsa website
>>61535322Free shipping?
idk
>>61535322Welcome to Euro pricing my friendsThe last batch of 7.62 NATO I bought last autumn was 50 euro cents per round but it's also pretty trash, anything commercial is €1.10 and up
>>61535337>>61535438fugg$65 to get shipped to menvm then. forget I posted >>61535322
>>61535471Yeah unfortunately that's a very common little scheme certain places play, it's why ammoseek long ago added a whole s/h rating and filter system. If it's not F/CF it's almost never worth bothering with these days of surp drought.
>>61535322>Add $65.50 ship96cpr w/sh, not great, but Hirt on strips, bandos and can.
Still can't decide on optic for my SCAR 17S. Fried my oldest EXPS3-0 lil over 2 weeks ago but it was already on its last legs (replacement came in today).The range I go to has a rental 17S with Aimpoint PRO + 3x magnifier and I found it quite fine for what I would be doing (ranges less than 300 yards but heavily forested). The extra weight didn't phase meStill got my old Vortex Viper PST Gen ii kicking around, but the eye box I find a bit too tight for my liking. Also light transmission in low light is a bit eh
>>61535830>Vortex Viper PST Gen ii >the eye box I find a bit too tight >light transmission in low light is a bit ehMakes it sound like a crappy scope for a high end rifle. This is why when it comes to a $400-600 scope, I double down for $800-1200. I have only been disappointed by the extinct Crimson Trace Jap line.
>>61535830>EXPS3-0how did you fry it?
>>61535975To the Vortex's credit, it hasn't kicked the bucket like the Eokek. I haven't been able to find a range with an LED 3.5x ACOG with cross hair or chevron reticle >>61535993About 300 rounds of Saltech 150gr
>>61535997damn, I never expected eotech to be this weak, I tought they were indestructible for the price they ask.
>>61536028It was a 2013 production EXPS3 and was already quite beat up.
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You ever just hold some bullets in your hand while contemplating. Seems crass to draw similarities to a fidget spinner, but that's the easiest way for young kids to understand.
>>61539710Dead thread. Maybe if janny stopped banning everyone people would stay and post.
>>61539710Bullets no, guns yes
>>61539710This >>61540103I love fiddling with my guns and spinning them around like a baton.
>>61533914Yeah, 2015. Even then the set was ~$200. CETME wood stocks can be made to fit with some effort and some extra parts but the handguard is completely different and would take a lot of effort to convert to the HK push-pin.
>>61539710>You ever just hold some bullets in your hand while contemplating.Yeah when I'm handloading and I don't remember wtf I was thinking for the powder charge
>>61540103>>61539710I some time pick up my guns and say pew pew
>>61539710I've cocked a stick shotgun
>>61526172>>61526627>implying those flippers aren't just a workaround for the laws allowing unmolested guns to be sold in ban states>implying everyone doesn't just unscrew those stupid Kydex flippers the second they get the gun home and never puts them on again
>>61539710I like to fondle my G3 while laying on my couch watching youtube lmaoOn a separate note, it feels kind of weird if I refer to my PTR as a G3. On the other hand, no one here ever calls them "DSAs" or "SA58s"; we all just refer to them as FALs. Am I autistic?
>>61535830I recently got the trijicon Credo 1-8 for my PTR, and have been very impressed, its heavy as hell but seems to be built well with better eye relief than anything similar I fingerfucked while shopping around. Buddy and I took it out to 800 the other night on torso sized steel, had a blast
>>61543206How is that compared to the vcog?
>>61543206>than anything similar I fingerfucked while shopping aroundUltimately if you're paying $1k+ for glass I think this is the key thing. It's really worth trying to actually physically look through a bunch of stuff, preferably mounted, if at all possible. Range or LGS. Admittedly for some people it's not possible and then you just kinda have to do your best wading through stuff, afaict nobody anywhere does any sort of even half way objective big grid though there are various random reviews of stuff that are quite thorough. But 20 minutes with a dozen scopes to look through will teach you more then 20 hours of researching online.
>>61543242That is one that I didn't get a chance to mess with, but from my understanding it's essentially the same, but the vcog has been Marine-proofed.>>61543253In the 3 weeks before I pulled the trigger, I had just about every mid to high end lvpo in my hand, one dude was even nice enough to scoop up about 18k worth of glass and take me out back to check them out outdoors at range. Best bang for my buck was either the trij or the leupold 2-10, but I went with the credo because I liked the reticle more and it was slightly shorter to clear the charging handleCaptcha 18wHK
>>61543801>Marine-proofedI need that in my life. Also the fact it comes with an integrated mount is nifty too
>>61543801>In the 3 weeks before I pulled the trigger, I had just about every mid to high end lvpo in my hand, one dude was even nice enough to scoop up about 18k worth of glass and take me out back to check them out outdoors at range. Best bang for my buck was either the trij or the leupold 2-10, but I went with the credo because I liked the reticle more and it was slightly shorter to clear the charging handleBased, best way to do it, and awesome you have such good local resources too.To anyone who can't do this, another thought if you're thinking about LPVOs and are new to them is to consider getting something ultra low end, like a Swampfox or whatever, first. There are ones there that are actually kinda ok for $300, but the point is you can see if you even like the basic approach. Higher end stuff has better glass, more light transmission, closer to true 1x, less chromatic aberration, FFP options, higher mag multipliers, stuff like that. But it doesn't fundamentally change the basics, they don't have 10x the eyebox or something, they're not 1/3 the weight. If you hate running low end LPVOs vs a holo or RDS or fixed mag or whatever, personally I don't think you're likely to enjoy high end ones either.
VERY COOL EPIC EVEN
>>61543801I really wish Leupold would put the PR2 reticle in their 2-10
>>61543801>moaGross
>>61544084>VERY COOL EPIC EVENMore like very, very fucking weird. Like:- DT has absolutely zero reason to lie about something so strange, objective, and specific as that.- He has absolutely zero reason to have done such a thing, like, multiple levels of less than zero reason. I mean even if you wanted to cast shade on them, it's such an obvious stupid thing, and you wouldn't then send it back.I guess I lean towards this being DT's fault, but due to lack of QC. It seems most likely this is a fuckup in their outsourcing yet again, their own suppliers or their subcontractors somewhere in the stack cheaped out on a critical spring or stuck in something substandard.So the real problem for DT is in how they respond. They should have been like >"problem is cut spring, wow that's crazy we're so sorry about that. We will find out who did that, check all the other guns we already have, and put out a notice to everyone to check theirs. Of course we'll take care of any of you who have a problem at our expense."Like shit happens. Granted a LOT of shit has happened with the MDR, but even so "sub-spec spring" is pretty small on the scale of component issues, clearly doesn't affect all rifles, and they shouldn't be defensive just deal with it promptly.
>>61544142It's their Mormon blood, go easy on them
>>61539710No, as I'd have to wash my hands afterwards to avoid lead contamination. I already had a medically certified slight drop in IQ from having 3x times the lead I should have in my blood
One step closer to SAR trigger export. We got a uncucked shipping service :3
>>61545131>not using lead free or at least fmjngmi
Bros, I am finally /brg/
>>61545312Welcome
>>61545312Nice
>>61545312based, welcoom to the frenzone
Any ammo autists recognize this 8mm headstamp?
>>61540103>>61540110>>61540399A true connoisseur. I do that as well from time to time.>>61540751Finding the perfect stick for the gun you wanted was part of the fun.>>61540364At that point fill the case to 80% capacity with whatever powder you have handy. What's the worst that can happen.>>61542627>am I autisticYes, but I wouldn't worry about it.>>61545131Sorry to hear that fren. You do what you have to. :(>>61545689Sellier and Bellot, made in 1947, lot 1, and the case is 72% copper. Just a guess though.
>>61545893>Sellier and Bellot, made in 1947, lot 1, and the case is 72% copperCorrect. Not sure about the copper content, "S" and star indeed do tell something about the case material, just not sure what exactly. The rest is spot on.
>>61545209I did. It's the primers that fuck you up
>>61547205>FMJyou need to pull a bullet and see if the bottom got exposed lead. For that reason Im shooting cooper plated 9mm and not the cheap PPU FMJ>>61545131Im working on something to reduce lead harm while cleaning guns, hope that works out IRL
>>61547205>I did. It's the primers that fuck you upAssuming you don't use lead free primers (which have gotten better if not all the way there yet) they still have like 40-60x less lead emissino then what gets vaporized off the end of firing FMJ. It's really genuinely minimal, and I say that as someone pretty concerned myself.Of course if you go to a range even if you're clean there's everyone else. But none of this matters purely for holding ammo in your hand.
>>61539988Checked.I'm certain that if we post benis instead of booba, nothing will get scrubbed
>>61547519what's really cool is that there's like no good research on this. you'd think there would be papers quantifying the level of exposure, given soldiers and shit are shooting and then eating food and whatever.i haven't found many in-depth papers discussing it.
I sold my battle riflefarewell, faggots
>>61545312I wish I bought that one hakim
would it be be possible to convert an m95 straight pull to semi auto?
>>61549500later alligator
>>61542627>Am I autistic?I think that's a given, but not a bad thing and you are not wrong.
>>61543253>But 20 minutes with a dozen scopes to look through will teach you more then 20 hours of researching online.>Citation required >Show your mathBut I totally agree.
>>61545312You da man! Welcome.
>>61549130>benis instead of boobaThat's some fucked up shit right there, hell yeah!
>>61549500>The Parthian shotClassic.
>>61549229Good research on the subject doesn't exist because governements don't want to be held liable for the health of their soldiers. Look at how they even managed to pass the notion that breathing fumes from burning toxic trash can't be proven to cause cancer
>>61549522someone answer my fucking question cunts
>>61549698>burning toxic trash can't be proven to cause cancerNothing can be proven, we all live in an imaginary play house of our own construction. Prove that you aren't living in The Matrix. You can't. Only with God are things possible and real. Lead exposure is a fallicy.
>>61549703Possible, yes. Bitch.
>>61549522Steyer did it. Tap the barrel, add a gas system attached to a bolt. If I was designing it myself I’d look at long stroke. Maybe something to keep you from chewing your hand and face up with the bolt.
>>61549741Thanks, shit for brains
>>61549868>Begs for answer>Gets it, doesn't like itYou are welcome, fuckhole.
>>61550270up yours, you piece of shit
>>61550403>>61550270gay homo retards
>>61550481I'll pack you up and put you in a to-go box nigga, I got that registered god particle on my hip nigga, I'll turn your city into Pompeii nigga
cease
>>61523233No clue?
>>61552327>>61523233Post the receiver, anon.>NEW PRODUCT NEW PRODUCT NEW PRODUCT!Dedicated rust protection, from autism for you:https://mokasraifus.com/product/nac-imports-gold-guard-1-75oz/Lubrication's still in stock too:https://mokasraifus.com/product/nano-gun-oil-universal-50-ml/>mail Lubeanon for the SAR BULK ORDER, check their catalog and tell him if you don't find what you want in there>mail LUBEcu19s@eclipso.de and include your order-ID/order date to be included in the lube mailing list for news, updates, questions etc.>lube and rust protection available via Moka's shop>I'm not LubeanonReminder that SAR G3s will get you>anything from 0.275 to sub 1 MOA depending on the version>Regular G3 (wooden furniture/BW olive version are separate products):http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.331-AP>DMR version (aka THE NORDIC MODEL)/Products/41.373>G3 PSG1 version (for precision enthusiasists):/Products/41.300>5 years guarantee>2 free check-ups>officially certified German master artisan crafted weaponry>literally produced just 15 minutes away from the HK HQ>peerless reliability and unmatched quality>never even came CLOSE to grubby PTR hands>break in period? Are you gay? (>>>/akg/)>trigger? Not shit!>the highest quality barrel>Polygonal rifling (none of that cheap L&G shit) coldforged and stress free annealed in a vacuum by Lothar Walther (rip)>national marksman competition winning accuracyDon't want an old school battle rifle?How about something newer than the SCAR for only 3k?>the HK417 (aka MR308 in the civilian version, HK original, so feel free to post better deals or deals in your region) is also available at SARAll that and more, only at SAR with worldwide shipping.*Buy SAR, buy quality.*American import restrictions apply, blame your local governor/president
>>61553070Write Lübe a mail for one of these triggers if you want one imported, the same goes for WIDE HANDGUARDS, FURNITURE and other shit you just can't find anywhere else.Lübeanon, widely renowned for providing the best lube around for /k/commandos by far, stepped up and offered to just proxybuy and ship them through Korbo's LLC in Arizona, he was offered an extra cut for his services but refused and preferred to do it for free. Buy some of his lube or rust protection if you need a refill though.>what does that mean for me?Cheap European parts INCLUDING PIC RELATEDAlready got a PTR or intend to get one soon?Want SAR quality for your G3 clone but live under a tyrannical government that colludes with your gun lobby to restrict imports in any way possible?How about a high quality 1900g pull weight G3 match trigger for 400 bucks?http://www.sar-shop.de/epages/61028398.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61028398/Products/41.1013>not a refurbished old G3 trigger, actually a fresh product from their own production>all new parts, nothing recycled>long development to ensure quality that matches the rest of the M41 (SAR G3 clone)>triggerstop customizable to your taste>crisp break>completely SAR made from start to finish>high production quality, top quality surface treatment, finely CNC'd>improved spring>production via the highly accurate machines of SAR (it doesn't say whether machines refers to the actual machines or Germans here)>Black Rheinmetall finish over a corundum blazed surface (wow!)>No flimsy plastic>large precision increase if you have any idea how to shootGet fucked HK Parts.
Happy friday, my dudes, may your battle rifles always strike true and punch baseball-sized holes in your foes.Want to get a bipod for my AR10. Looking at magpul bipods (they're light and I like the look, and what the heck, magpul has always been reliable for me) and harris bipods (I hear good things). What's a good adjustment range for an AR10- 6-9" or 9-13"?
>>61554158All.bipods are fine just get the lightest (or heaviest) one you can afford
>>61529257It’s the comfier M1 Garand child
>>61523233If it works fine and the accuracy is decent then there probably isn't much of a reason to upgrade. Unless you want the the better hk irons and more furniture options/accesories then maybe. CA-3s are basically PTR 91s built on portuguese parts kits but you already knew that. I think I would switch personally. I like my ptr
>>61502077why no Browning BAR
>>61503867how much did the conversion cost
>>61519024why the fuck are you aiming your gun at a cat? are you a fucking retard? > got eternal EEEEEEEEEEEEEE in other eargod punishing you for being a retard
>>61556081Nice italian power combo. How do you like it? A friend of mine recently bought one and I was surprised that it felt lighter than I expected. Didn't have an opportunity to shoot it, though...
>>61556081did a bubba refinish it? I never saw a bm59 with that kind of finish and parkerization
>>61557105H.C.A.R. fucks BAR in the butt stock hole.
I feel like pg8 is the wrong place for our hero to be on a Saturday night and members with actual irl lives.
>>61559926aussie?
>>61558579well considering its 4x the price Id hope so
>>61509779Needs a barrel clamp and receiver vise, it's similar in principal to an FAL barrel change.>>61531488I wanted to build one of the portuguese kits with an RCM or other nice barrel because of that, but I'm too damn tired. Already began another FAL anyway. I was baffled as shit when I found out they used to use plain untreated 4140 blanks, I would burn that shit out pretty fast today.
>>61557259I haven’t shot it much but it is pretty nice to shoot. Butt pad absorbs recoil better than an stock m1a>>61557897I doubt it, it’s how I received it from JRA
>>61531660Yeah windham is gtg. These are the same guys that made bushmasters back in the day
>>61561125>4x the priceCan you show me where to get a BAR @ $1625? Yes, please.
>>61563127>imgThis is nice.
>>61529914Sex
>>61563758https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=browning%20bar&Sort=13actually less than $1625 and that includes the 300 win mag version
>>61564064>mkiiiYes, I see that now. Thx.
>>61564563take those moccasins off.
>>61564848Make me white eye. What you do, take more lans?>Whoop whoop ugga ugga!
Would this work?
>>61565359If you actually read the monarch arms page for the ARG3 set, you would've seen the word "proprietary"
>>61565430>actually readWhy are you like this?
Pg8 "am I old fashioned or does the home depot girl video ad" make her look slutty bump.
>>61566552Pics? I haven't seen an ad since 2005
found in a '91 gun digest catalogue
>>61505381Is there anything disliked about the Stag 10 besides having the proprietary receivers?It seems like a good package for the price.
>>61567948I have no idea. People seem to think they're cheap budget rifles (they aren't at all, my rifle's list price is $1800)
>>61502077Springfield is one word
>>61568083that has always bothered me as well
>>61502077>>61568557while Im at it...SFAR should be all caps
>>61568083>>61568557>>61568761Be The Change...You Want To see.
>>61568934Sure, send over the original image in a lossless image format like PNG
>>61557105>>61568083>>61568557>>61568761
>>61569009Tried to in .png but it's 7.6mb and the limit is 4mb. Blame goot.
>>61569045What makes me laugh about this is that I can still clearly see my fuck ups and yours. Good times.
>>61566585They carousel the ads, she should cycle back.
>>61567509They had gone up by then. 1982 was peak HK/Arnie years.
do u guys hate me
>scar 17 mags vs >non shit sr25/ar10 mags is one better than the other? fudd forums seem to say sr25 mags are "better" than scar mags but base their posts off thought experiments and saving face because they only, maybe, own an r700 from walmart I got a used scar and I'm considering changing the lower for a few reasons including >sr25/ar10 mags are probably easier to find during the igloo and the post apocalypse>picrel lower takes ar triggers which are certainly more common/easier to fix/easier to replace than scar specific triggers>also takes ar grips, mag release, safety, etc which really doesn't matter but if I somehow broke a grip I could get any a2 grip from any spare parts bin in america versus tracking down a scar specific gripalso this is my first 308 br other than my ptr91 so I have no experience with scar mags or ar10 mags in terms of durability and reliability. Seems like magpul mags are the go to but I'd prefer metal, non promag, mags but not for a fuckin $100 a piece >why didn't you just buy/build an ar10 to begin withhow about I fuck your mouth
RFB. Tell me if it's worth it.
>>615697601. Post SCAR 17S2. Don't bother. For the money invested in the lower and 1 decent AR10 mag like a Lancer, you could have gotten like 5 SCAR mags. 3. Nothing ever happens.4. You should have just gotten an AR-10 if proprietary magazines and parts availability worry you. Or a SIG SPEAR since government forces would be using them
fellas??
>>61565507Sorry anon, ngl I thought I was in /arg/ and my instincts kicked in
>>61572364This is why we should unironically all use trips
>>61572389No because then we can't normalize hating the bad ones
>>61572408>>61572389K needs thread ids and flags
>K
>>61572422/brg/ is just another discord newfag general.
Finally took a picture of the US family, I would have included my A2 as well but I only have one M7 bayonet. Also realize how rusty my M1 barrel has gotten being in storage.
>>61572415Fuck off back to /pol/. Anonimity is a core function of 4chan
>>61574231so true :)
>>61570242I think it is. If you can avoid paying more than 1200 for it even better.
>>61569161Why no wlvn? Is it too soon?
*wlvrn
>>61569760The desire for the ambi controls of this lower, combined with the insane price of the Scar 17, led me to order an XCR-M a couple weeks ago. But since you already have the 17, I just gotta say -- bolt controls like that are a godsend, and Lingle makes good stuff.
>>61575598Mind the FNAR is to new, so
>>61576835Here u go
>>61576925Looks legit, you are a master!
>>61566585>Pics?>>61569567>cycle back/brg/'s girl. Admit it, you want to fix her.
>>61569686Of course, you are gay, need external validation and lust for your own mother. Pretty gross combo, dude.>Captcha dpsmom
>>61569161
>>61572422>/K/
>>61577588>no FNARIt would appear that the XCR-M is the superior valued specimen.
>>61577593>mmm/k/
>>61577593>OG blem /k/at patchNow that's a trip down memory lane.
I spent my big boy dollars on a sig spear, did I fuck up?
>>61578050Is that the one with the flexible handguard and barrel?
>>61578050Enjoy bendy handguards and a gun that jams if you shove the magazine too far inAt the same time if the boog happens, you'll have easy access to replacement parts thanks to fed bois using them
>>61570242I agree with RFB anon >>61574670, used under $1200 is a great value. you will have to consider buying some sights and mags, but there's enough cheap optics and thermolds are good to start with.
>>61574670>>61578476thank you keltec friends
>>61577395Where did they find a pic of my highschool gf?
>>61580082I was worried this was a tranny thing. So before I rushed to fun post, I did some research. It's just a 2001 boomer name for big titty goth gf. My mind and pp were set at ease.
>>61581960The original big tiddy goth gfs. You had to be there. Trannies can all an hero
Any reason I should buy a PTR 91 GI over a CA3? I know PTR would have all new parts but realistically I would think that both should last longer than the barrels they come with so I'm trying to figure out if the price difference is worth it. It seems like I would just be paying extra for no reason for a gun made by the same people. What would /brg/ advise?
>>61567509LAW ENFORCEMENT SALES ONLY
>>61582595Dark days
>>61575598>Why no wlvn? Is it too soon?Yes, definitely too soon. Though speaking of which, DT did a surprisingly honest and solid accuracy video including the MDR:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Gs0W4ynN0They did real 5x5 groups, vs a bunch of other decent guns, and they admit that yeah it was a >2.5moa gun unsuppressed (though interestingly a suppressor significantly improved it, though still only to 1.7). That might explain some of the very different results some of us have seen, comes down to whether we're suppressing or not.But he doesn't talk about QC and that seems like it'll remain an issue. Along with all the talk and glassdoor stuff and such of constant serious employee churn, which is brutal in terms of doing consistent quality. It's all well and good if they recognize some of their problems, work on improving them, and come up with good designs. But if they can't actually MAKE those designs, consistently, it doesn't matter much how good they might be theoretically, then still can't be recommended except to people who are willing to gamble and go through potentially multiple warranty cycles until all issues are worked out.
>>61502068I haven't touched the AR platform yet but I've been wanting an m110 clone since I played GRAWII as a kid. Are the PSA AR10/sabre's halfway decent, and what is the exact difference between their forged and billet offerings?I know for tools forged is usually better, but in the car world billet is usually preferred for car parts. I notice the price bump but I'm too much of a reprobate to notice much else.
>>61567509man that's kind of a wild trip to look back on. people forget what a golden era we're in now sometimes with all the complaints
Thoughts on Springfield's new SA-16A2?
>>61583197Go ask in /arg/ about this American LARPing pea shooter
Given 308’s lackluster performance out of short barrels, is there an equivalent BR cartridge with better SBR ballistics, or a bullet design not reliant on velocity for terminal performance?
>>61583491I mean it's still basically x39 out of a 12" barrel. Just way louder/brighter
Patrolling the- ACK
>>61583586Pretty lackluster considering its performance out of a 20” barrel, though. At that point, you may as well just use 7.62x39.
>>61583640Let me get this straight, you're saying 308 has lackluster performance out of a 20in barrel?
>>61583640No that's pretty good for an absolutly ancient cartridge not designed for SBRs at all. And thats not x39 also in a 12" barrel either
>>61572415Are you the same faggot who thinks we should also have to submit an email address to post? ffs sake make just go lurk a boomer forum if that is what you are after.
>>61581980No desuThe furniture looks a little chewed up on some of them and the paint on the lowers could use some refinishing but thats pretty much it. Barrel, receiver, and trunnion are new. Theyre reusing the old BCGs but good luck wearing that out.Id buy a CA3 if I didn't want a rail for an optic
>>61582737Id like to think that the wlvrn is going to stick around for a while. Nick addressed that it has removable feed ramps to accommodate for different calibers in the future; including 8.6, so I don't want to write it off yet. I at least hope they learned something from making the mdrx>>61582742https://youtu.be/6yOGSuEK-N0?si=PWEPgO5oCbgmJfl0 I'd probably get this over an aero AR10>billet>forgedThe upper is forged but the lower is billet. Still, doesn't matter. The upper is what takes all of the stress.
>>61583689he's saying the opposite
>>61584549>Id like to think that the wlvrn is going to stick around for a while. Nick addressed that it has removable feed ramps to accommodate for different calibers in the future; including 8.6, so I don't want to write it off yet. I at least hope they learned something from making the mdrxI'm not writing it off either, but it's definitely too soon to be sticking it on the brg image, and the fundamentals are a challenge. My prediction just based on how the company personnel situation seems to be is that it'll get refinement in design, but ultimately it'll remain a cool hit-or-miss gun just like the MDRX, albeit with improvements since it's the MDR3 however they chose to brand it. Like, in 6-12 months with some more kit variety it'll be a gun worth buying if you're willing to have it be a project gun that might take another few months of back and forths to have work.My experience with the MDR was that they did honor warranty, and that if you tried enough times you'd get a working gun (and some people got golden guns right off), and that once you had a working gun it stayed working. The design wasn't terrible just the QC. And the gun itself is enjoyable. But it doesn't seem like they've addressed the fundamental issues in that regard beyond giving up on some neat stuff to make the gun simpler (since simpler is always easier to QC, parts removed entirely can never be problem points). Which isn't nothing, but not really what I hoped for either. And I'm bummed they don't seem to have the internal bandwidth to do things like a 300bo or 8.6 or whatever micron day 1 for what should be just a revision. I stand by it being kinda a rushed so-so launch.
WITH ALL THESE CHANGES IN LATITUDES, CHANGES IN ATTITUDESNOTHING REMAINS QUITE THE SAMEWITH ALL MY CUNNING AND ALL MY RUNNINGIF I COULDN'T LAUGH I'D JUST GO INSANE
>>61584549Cheers lad, that was actually the video that got me looking at the sabre ar10s.I still remember hop's on the base ar10 they have awhile back and he still make it look pretty decent with reasonable accuracy. Saw a few around 800$ when I went to check, I'll have to figure it out.
308
>>61582742>billet is usually preferred for car partsdepends, the best engines are cast
>>61571509I actually think it looks really good.
>>61587957Woop woop pull over dat ass was too fat
>Reluctantly "buy" microsoft word because of work and lawsuit requirements protection>$200>Always online. Requires passwords and authentication each time>Can't have it running on my multiple computersI hate this gay earth some times. I literally have less freedom and am being punished. I could pirate it in a minute and have more ease of use. Fucking jews.
>>61587957BOOBA ALERT BOOBA ALERT
>>61588318>marrying a JewYou played yourself
>>61584549NTA but what's wrong with Aero?I was between the M110 clone with no forward assist, an Aero M5, and a Stag 10.
>>61588926based
>he's here
*whistles*
>>61590816>page 11 boobanice
gn brg it's past my bedtime>>61590955checked
