Do you think it should be replaced (if applicable)? What kind of governing system would you want to take its place in your country?
>>196441612The one where I’m in control of everything
just do it like us
Divine right.
Marxism
>>196441612I should be put in charge unironically. I'm not smart but i'm honest, i'll hire smarter people to make decisions and fire them if they don't show results
>>196441612Military democracy
>>196441612>Do you think it should be replaced (if applicable)?No>What kind of governing system would you want to take its place in your country?Representative democracy (improve current system)
>>196441612I think liberal democracy cannot coexist with ethnic and cultural diversity unless you enable mass surveillance etc.
>>196441612>The world is becoming increasingly skeptical of democracyDemocracies are becoming increasingly undemocratic. If they ever were. It was a good larp while it lasted.
>>196441612>Do you think it should be replacedthe system shouldn't be replaced, but the current political class should be completely replaced
>>196441612democracy is fine the way it is and nothing should be changedthere should be more democracy if anything, Swiss style
>>196441612People who say they hate democracy always imagine a world where they controlled everything, but would hate it if someone who didn't do things their way was in charge.
>>196442174Literally me
>>196441659>>196442145What's the Swiss system like? Don't just share some wiki link I want to hear it from knowers
If you actually refer to the classical sources on democracy, nobody speaks highly of it. What they exalted was not democracy per se but democratic oriented aristocracy and republicanism, which is different from democracy as such. Democracy as a system of government was thought to be mad, and even among Renaissance and early Modern writers, democracy was something that could work but only with very specific and strict limitations, limitations that we left in the dust bin of history centuries ago. We did everything they said not to do, and what we currently have would be thought of by any classically minded thinker as so absurd and obviously bad that they would ask what the fuck we were thinking.
>>196442239direct democracy
>>196442340Did any of these classical writers have jets or mcdonalds? No? Then shut the fuck up
>>196441612>What kind of governing system would you want to take its place in your countryNone. The state is obsolete.
How can there be any kind of effective democracy when 1% of the populations owns half of the world's wealth? Its not about subjectivist factors (x or y politician, x or y party) but actual objective economic factors.
>>196441612The system is failing because those meant to maintain it are corrupt. Vote everyone out of office that is loyal to Israel instead of their own country and you'll at least be stepping in the right direction.
>>196442539I wouldn’t mind something like anarcho-syndicalism. But modern-day anarchists are mouth breathing retards compared to the ones of the past
>democracy badIt's amazing how retarded people are, the current "democracy" is just the result of corporate and finance hollowing out the state and government for many decades, and the state ceding the monopoly of power to oversized economic entities. When was the last time you remember a government had any long term vision apart from "growth"?>b-but government le bad!Of course the government is bad when it's been reduced to corporate lackeysOf course the government sucks after being reduced
>>196443130So what you're saying is we need to purge the corporations?
>>196441612It's not the democracy that's wrongIt's modern liberalism that's wrong
>>196443310Purge lobbyists, break up any business entity that is "too big to fail", and strengthen market control organs. Of course it'll only help for a while, once we get complacent government and institutions get infiltrated and weakened again. I doubt you can find an equilibrium, the pendulum always swings one way or another.
>>196441659> just be a small country on top of a mountain range with a history of political neutrality Oh ok
Alright I'll add a question then, if you still like democracy, how would you edit the democracy in your country to "fix" it? Be more specific than "purge [x]">>196441702>>196441704kek. duality of man>>196441831From personal experience mixing military with government doesn't work out. People think of based leaders of the past but it doesn't work that way with modern generals. It's just the same as normal corrupt democracy
>>196441659It literally only works there.Everywhere else it would drive their countries to the ground given how low IQ their populace is, specially here.I unironically wish we had someone like Vargas again. Who actually cared about the country's well being and development.Instead we get retarded lefists who can't into economics and right wingers who have some fetish about being subservient to western powers. It's sad.
>>196442174Not really, most want a return to 19th century styled liberalism where you had constitutional limits preventing the government doing egregious things. Most of the far right libertarians increasingly preferred the old monarchy to democratic government, like Hans Herman Hoppe. Democracy is a total meme, and leads to tyranny and government overreach. It's okay to have democratic structures in place for some things, like local government, but making elections into demographic headcounts and having governments only focus on the short term means long term problems can't be solved.
>>196443561>political neutralityit is called not ruining business opportunitiesneutrality is a meme
>>196443130>>196443508>muh just fix it again Literally describing the inherent contradiction of liberal democracy that people have been pointing out for two hundred years now
>>196441612Illiberal republic. He would have done it in my country if he had lived to run for president.
>>196442239It some part they actually assemble on the market square and vote by raising hands like it's the fucking middle ages. To attend the voting you have to either show your passport or your ceremonial sword.>JuSt Do It LiKe UsMF try that shit in China or India and you'll end up in civil war.
>>196443680I think it was Cicero who said "the laws didn't change, the people changed' in regards to the decline of the Roman Republic. Biological determinism is pretty much the truth and democracy leading to development is a meme, obscured by the fact that white countries are mostly democratic. China and Singapore developed without democracy, and India was held back by their democracy all through the cold war. Politics of envy also makes democracy dangerous, the average person is petty and dumb and will simply vote for more gibs. The bloated welfare state and massive transfers of wealth are evidence of the pathetic jelly nature of the average person.
>>196443812https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsgemeinde?wprov=sfla1
>>196443812>>196443867>Cracow does Votes>Instead of the pasport you can show a machete
>>196443664>how would you editIQ test for votersban election campaigningdeath penalty to corruption
>>196443865Pretty much, Democracy THE N°1 system everyone should follow.In places like the Middle East it's just bound to fail.
>>196442606Antifa aren't even anarchists. They're fascists who are buttmad that they're not in charge.
>>196441612No because there is real good alternative. All other alternatives end with power consolidated in very very few with no opportunity for the masses to speak up or affect change.>inb4 "tHaT's WhAt We HaVe NoW!!!11"
democracy is held up by the superstructure (philosophy, science, arts, etc.) which exists to maintain and JUSTIFY the current system (the economic base)democracy is fake it has never existed
>>196444451It's about luck really.If your country is really lucky you end up getting someone like Lee Kuan Yew, but 90% of the time you end up with Putin.
>>196444514It obviously has existed you are moving the goalposts beyond the point ridiculousness
>>196444679first then we have to define democracyi do not think a country is really free until socialism/communism arrive
>>196444776>i do not think a country is really free until socialism/communism arrivefree from what?
democracy only works for civilised people
>>196444815Food.
>>196444815free from the effects of the basethat is to saypeople in a capitalist society will generally always be limited in what they do, think and say by the mode of productionbecause the mode of production influences the superstructure, it means it influences culture, which is to say that you are mentally influenced as wellyou get some kind of fiction like "people are naturally greedy" and you generally won't go against thattoday i am not really free to say no to my boss when he asks of something more from me than i am legally obliged to do, because if i say no, he can fire me and i won't have the money to sue him
>>196445086>today i am not really free to say no to my boss when he asks of something more from me than i am legally obliged to do, because if i say no, he can fire me and i won't have the money to sue himAnd in a Commieshit country you're prosecuted for industrial sabotage if you try to argue and fight about how the business should be run, and then thrown in jail.
>>196445203the ussr wasn't real communism, chud
>>196444523I wouldn't say it's luck. I'd say it's inevitable that a highly centralized system pools power in the highest level of governance, and inevitable that that high level eventually gets occupied by a retard or madman.
>>196444776Oh… you’re a commie tranny retard
Luxury, fully automated, neural network powered planned economy, gay, space communism is the future.
>>196441612Total Pan-European technocracy.
>>196441612Tribalism needs to be severely beaten out of people in order for democracy to thrive, which unfortunately would be pretty hard to accomplish in a democracy
>>196444514>>196444776>>196445086>>196445229>>196445362>you being like this>Estonians making Disco ElysiumWhy do you Balts have such a hardline communist streak the rest of the ex-communist world doesn't have?
>>196447100the transition from 'communism' to capitalism has been a disaster for the workers
Divine Right will save us
>>196441612the only reason why democracy isn't working as intended is because women who always have the most retarded ideas are allowed to vote and become politicians
>>196447739i have 2 female friends and they both voted for the most ridiculous leftist party last year because they have gay fetish (unironically)
>>196441612people are becoming increasingly skeptical of fake democracy and if it is replaced with anything it will invariably be whatever we have now, but with the mask removed.
