Then you should know that at the current year of 2023 graphic design is pretty much dead. I was a professional gd for almost 10 years working in both studios and on my own and I can't really find a job anymore. It's not even because of AI to be honest, its because of how the industry works and how bad the corporate environment has become. There's still web design, 3D and VFX/motion design(primarily 3D too) and if you want something similar or easy to transition then chose one of those but I'm not sure for how long they will be relevant themselves because of the AI which is basically a final nail in the coffin of gd. Of course there are and will be exceptions and maybe you will get lucky to find some obscure local business that needs you, but if you are young and looking for a career in the future you should stop consider becoming a graphic designer. This profession is dead.
You had years to learn programming but you didn't. You preferred to waste your youth with meaningless activities, some of which you call designing as a hobby while messing around with Adobe, when you could've taken a proper career, instead of searching for an easy cop out in design.
out of curiousity, i am starting to mess with stuff. for high quality stuff, what is the best or good programs to create transparent backgrounds. upscale images and also ones that can touch up an image or add stylized text?word art?
>>445759techbro you are next to be replaced by AI, the more you say shit like this now the worst gonna be your mental breakdown when boss baby gonna say buybuy
I'd be curious to have your opinion on "how the industry works" or "how bad the corporate environment is".I'm sure you have solid reasons since you worked for +10 years in the field.
>>445768>how the industry worksMy biggest problem with the industry is that it is ultimately aimed to reduce the workforce. The amount of different work that is done by one person today is the same amount of work that was done by 5 different people 10 years ago. And they pay the same salary for that. For that reason graphic design pretty much just vanished from existence because every single aspect of it can be done by other people in the field. So as a result "designer" profession was reduced to junior webdev monkey. Yes, there's still a chance to land a job but it's so small the majority of people physically won't be able to find them or it is already filled with nepobabies. Graphic design became a very very rare job. It's like a cartographer. >how bad the corporate environment isIt is toxic and inhuman. Corps cucked wagies so hard they start to behave like black people in 1790s. The house nigger says shit like "you can't deal with the competition, it is a completely fair market" while working 12 hours a day for food with his weekend filled with obligatory critical race theory training. Even if you are skilled enough for a position you first need to fight the HR bullshit so the quota-bitch can determine if you are the right person to align with the "company's values" like selfies on linkedin how you can't go to office because of covid and now you are crying. You literally have to be a slave to the company, you can't have a life outside of it. And now we also have AI which will absolutely kill the freelance and small business clients. I think motion design will be gone the last because AI still kinda shitty at making videos, but it's only a question of time. UI/UX can also relax for maybe 2-ish years because right now AI is bad at small details and typography. Overall we pretty much witnesses of new industrial revolution, unironically. If you yourself have a graphic designer job I'm happy for you, but please consider plan B.
>>445757My old agency actually expanded, too much even which is why I left.It started with just 7 people. Everyone's a specialist- I was working with vectors, we had a couple of indesign guys, type designer wizards, all around it was a tight ship.Then the owner left and we got bought by an overseas marketing company (chinese). Fast forward ten years (this was 2019) and there were now 50+ people. My seven bros were long gone and I realized I didn't know the names of more than half of the people who work on the same floor, so I quit and went freelance now.
>>445759hey chatgpt can you write me a code snippet that does thishey chatgpt can you write css that does thishey chatgpt can you code a landing page that doesyou're up for bat far quicker than midjourney can hit graphic design bud.design still has to interpret things, code works or it doesn't. that's a yes or no answer.
>>445787where do you find clients as a freelancer?
>>445788I said programming, not coding web dev shit, dumb-dumb (though, for a designer this is not an insult). You have no idea what CS means.
>>445798I tapped into my network. When I was working with the agency I built and cultivated a relationship with other professionals, like the owner of the industrial printers we worked with knew me by name and he referred me to potential clients, previous clients who liked my worked recommended me to other people, etc...I also did some cold pitching.
>>445798>where do you find clients as a freelancer?Literally the same way that companies do? Have your own website, advertise it, buy a bunch of business leads, etc etc..
>>445757yeah it's a dead career, definitely stay away if you're just starting out in life. I didn't even intend on becoming a graphic designer, it just happened....fuck I hate this shit and there's nothing else I can find to do that doesn't pay minimum wage.
>>445757everybody is pivoting to productize design as a subscription
>>445892elaborate
>>445788chatgpt is fucking useless it can't datamine githubs
>>445908'useless'you just kicked yourself out of the conversation, friend
>>445908What is GitHub Copilot
>>445910relax techbro, no one is trying to offend your cyber waifu
>>445913you didn't.it just shows how little you know about the topic and I thought it is fair to preface how your opinions will not be regarded anymore
>>445914>thinks his cyber waifu wasnt offended
>>445915sure. I am certain she is crying herself to sleep right now.
>>445757I'm one year into my associate's for this shit. Just one more year and I'm done with this. What do you suggest I do with the degree? Is it useless or is it viable for good small jobs? I was thinking of just switching my major after getting done. I keep hearing and reading doom sayings about gd.
>>445914>(you)there are more people in this thread than you and your waifu's bull here, fedora man.THIS REPLY WAS CREATED USING CHATGPT
>>445919Just do web-design/motion/3D
>>445928I just don't get this kind of answer. are people supposed to react to every new post in a comment chain as if an additional anon joined in without marking themselves as such?tell me you are another anon or don't. but I seriously have no interest in dumping resources into mentioning how anonymity is part of the very nature of this forum every time I follow up on something...>offendedhow would it be offending, mister second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, dozenth, thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth anon? (better this way?)
>>445930>are people supposed to react to every new post in a comment chain as if an additional anon joined in without marking themselves as such?No, you're supposed to assume that you know exactly who you are talking to even as you admit to knowing that>anonymity is part of the very nature of this forum and then whine about how the alternative of just not assuming that you are clairvoyant and/ or that your inferences dictate reality isn't really an option becuause muh>dumping resources You did nothing wrong and that anon just needs to admit that if you say he's someone else, he's that person and that's all there is to it.Hope this helps.
>>445933tf are you talking about? How is any of that important?It absolutely is irrelevant to consider these anons >>445908 >>445913 one or two people. So why bring it up?>>445930>why start this whole topic?>>445933>but imposed identity
>>445934>>445930there's no one in this thread except (you) schizo.(you) are just talking to (you)rself
>>445936exactly! and since there is no way of proofing otherwise I don't see why you would start discussing>but muh identity. I am ackchually that other person
>>445937are you talking to me?
Designers are already going crazy, as shown in this thread. Grim future...
>>445939depends
>>445939Are you somebody?Or a nobody?
>>445941Word, this anon is not just anybody...
>>445934>>>445930 #>>why start this whole topic?You tell us, since according to you whether or not you or another anon posted that is " irrelevant"You OWN it and have to answer for it, logic boy.
maybe you should try getting a job
>>445946I dont decide anything for you (or anyone).I tell you that I think it is (very) irrelevant.And by asking 'why?' I leave you the option of explaining 'why' you think it is important instead.do you need the concept of discussion explained to you, contrarian boy?
>>445757
What about UI? I'm reading books on it now with how inopportune the field is getting on GD alone.
>>446127it's just a matter of time
>>445757man, threads like these make me second guess my choices for uni next year
>>446408I've got a graphic design degree and it was a waste of money and time.
>>446411why do you think?
>>445757what city are you from?
Maybe you can’t find a job because you suck. have you ever ask yourself that question OP?
>>446545>capped out at $70k for life in USAgrim
>>446555bro they're not gonna pay you even 70k it's just for the clicks. 60k-70k means 60k + bonuses that you will never get
How do I learn graphic design as a NEET who just wants to do it as a hobby? I've been consooming art for years and now consuming doesn't make me feel any pleasure anymore so I want to create something myself but then I realized that I have no actual idea of what makes something aesthetically pleasing. Same way how I can tell if a drawing is anatomically accurate like with 90% accuracy but can't actually produce an anatomically accurate drawing myself I have a feeling for what is good design but can't create it.I never thought I had talent for art/design and I never had that intrinsic passion like many successful designers do but I can't think of anything else I would want to engage with. I didn't even think of perusing any design-related jobs as everyone told me they were competitive as hell and I just didn't have that drive. I have no illusions of getting a design job but I still want to be able to creative aesthetically pleasing designs even if it's just for fictional products that never get made.
>>446589>how do I do thingwell you just start doing the thing
>>446545man I wish I could work in the US.
>>446590would be nice to have some direction
job ads these days are just insane. you have to know everything even slightly related to graphic designis there still time to learn programming bros?
>>446632applied for a "Graphic Design" job recently and here's what they wanted you to be:a photographera videographera web developera social media managera marketing assistantliterally they wanted all of that in one position and of course the pay was shit.
>>446633oh yeah they wanted you to be a graphic designer too.
>>445757>>445759>>445767Sounds like a shit beta cuck attitude fr. Make your path if it sucks so much bitch.
>>445757Two minutes on Indeed.com can refute this, what a load of bullshit demoralization lmao. EVERY company needs a designer on hand. AI can't do what you think it can. Sure you won't be a hot shot Madison Ave marketing guy like in Mad Men, a bit more grunt worky, but jobs are out there.t. ALSO been in the industry for 10 years, actively have a senior salaried position I got a year ago. Many different jobs I could jump to if I wanted today. Get real or stop living in a 1000-pop town.
>>446645More things AI can't do, which companies big and small always fucking need>PRINT design: flyers, mailers, take-ones, brochures>print designer communicating with the printing house>specialized digital ads and layouts>brandingAI is a tool. It'll be another 20 years until it can ACTUALLY truly in real time do the thinking process of a designer.
>>446645>>446545amerimutts this thread is not for you
I hope UX design can survive because I'm going to school for Interactive Design and this job is easy as fuck if you have any intuition, it's a shame it will become the field all the replaced graphic design normans flock to
>>446620I felt the same way, but I've felt a ton of improvement in just a couple months because I finally started to actually draw. "Just do it" I get isn't helpful, but in reality, that's 90% of it. Find something you like, hyperfocus on something, get yourself to draw a bit every day. Learn basics like perspective, quick gesture drawing will help a ton with drawing humans with more life to them. Don't get caught up in making everything perfect, the first things you make are gonna suck. Sketch things up, try going for 5+ variations of things to see what works best, forcing yourself to come up with more beyond your first idea helps creativity a lot. Look up tutorials if you get stuck on something. Can't figure out why something looks wrong? Draw that detail over and over to try to work it out. Lastly, don't rush it. Especially if you're not trying to make a living out of it, putting really any amount of effort into it will bring improvement.
>>445759AI is going to automate programming far more easily than it has art and design.
Take the studio pill and branch the fuck out. Graphic Design in itself is a small fraction of the market that is marketing in general. Learn web design and front-end development, branding, product design, make solid connections with prototypers, VC firms, companies that develop and push products all year round. All you need are a handful of small repeat clients who will rely on you to manage their marketing and brand presentation and you will be printing more money than you can spend. Shit, if you can learn enough of the skills required one client will likely be more than enough for youIf you're trying to string together a career based on overcharging for a logo every two months based on some golden ratio bullshit you learned in college then you never really understood the industry in the first placeAI is to Design like Quant is to Finance, yes it has it's place but if that's all there is to it any smart company knows it will be haemorrhaging money trying to narrow the massively wide scope that AI creates in terms of design language and targetinggl hf stop being poor
>>445757Pretty much this. I've worked on the field for 18 years. I'm a veteran on the field: I did everything, web, print, books, marketing, product design. I worked alone, alongside people, I was an employee, I was the boss. I did branding, logos, photography, illustration, editorial design, you name it. Founded two companies, sold one. Worked for mom and pop shops and for transnational companies. Had microscopic budgets and huge budgets. And yeah, I've seen how the market deteriorates year by year. The breaking point for me was 2021, in the middle of the quarantine, although everyone was desperate for /gd/ services, nobody wanted to pay for them. I had to compete with indian and mexican designers that cost 1/10 of what I charge.AI is been the last shot. This is it.
>>445800>I said programming, not coding web dev shit, dumb-dumb (though, for a designer this is not an insult). You have no idea what CS means.so programming is different from coding? youre a retard
>>447309programming is not coding web dev shit>pRoGrAmMiNg Is DiFfErEnT fRoM cOdInG?
>>447310whats the difference i want to know
>>445759Designers trying to be programmers is how we've arrived at the sorry state of the web today. Everything is a heavy, broken, unoptimized, ugly piece of spyware.
>>447319one is programming while the other is coding web dev shit
Aren't the principles of graphic design used in everything? When you design objects you are just doing graphic design in 3D. Nowadays with everything becoming digital and phones just being big screens isn't graphic design just becoming more relevant?
>>447351Yes. Design fundamentals are one of the first things you learn whenever you try to take on anything regarding visual communication. Design isn't dead, it's just piecemealed into specialized roles. In theory this should be better and more efficient but corpo creative is so fucking greedy they only hire people who can handle 3 - 5 specializations while only paying for one.
>>447354well put
>>447354What do you consider to be Design Fundamentals?
>>445759>you had years to do something you didnt want to do>instead you wasted your life doing things you enjoyedkek
>>445757I’m literally about to finish my degree in graphic design. I mean I’m not gonna let this deter me but if AI truly does take out this profession I may neck myself.
>>446633This is basically what I do for 82k. Learn to adapt.
>>447476if you could somehow make connection with big companies or governments you'd be safe. connection is the most important factor in graphics design career. also I think freelancing is still better than being an employee doing gd.
>>445940It's ironic. Ten years ago they said truck drivers would be the first ones to fall to AI automation. Now truck drivers are are geting a 100k+ union gigs and artists of every medium and discipline are turbo fucked. Finance and tech bros are next. Even pajeet ceos are next. Once an AI out performs Berkshire Hathaway things are going to getting fun in a french revolution sort of way. You have the biggest technological changes in human history coupled with leadership that's older than the transistor. No amount learn to code is gonna save you.
>>447576I just wish the AI would end all jobs sooner, like overnight, what's the point waging in these careers that are basically finished anyway. Just end it all quickly.
I literally don't understand how AI can replace gd. I get like maybe if you are a twitter art commission drawing guy AI is a threat but gd requires so much human touch and psychological understanding that AI can't mimic.
>>447771>gd requires so much human touch and psychological understandingLOL yeah, I'm stunned by the ubiquitous design quality employed everywhere out there, from Google's shitty Material UI down to small startups and their equally shit flat illustrations. Truly the work of masters. Definitely not derivative work. I'm sure that you need to reinvent the wheel each time.
>>447782human touch and psychology are in everything not just "the work of masters" lol, I've yet to see an AI or computer than can align text properly and I never will
how do I learn graphic design without going to college?are the online courses any good or very surface level?what books should i read and in what order?
>>447987Why on Earth would you want to do that now when the entire field is getting demolished by AI?
>>447994as a hobbyI've been enjoying graphic design for so long I have the desire to make something myself and learn why something looks good and not just go by intuition
>>447994>Don't do anything that AI can do, just live to consume the 'slop!No.
>>446589go to https://learn-anything(dot)xyz/then you learn it
>>445919I had the chance to do either Computer Science (which would not let me work) or GD (it would let me work), I choose GD, being poor sucks>>445757What about video editing? I really like it and it would be fun to work with it>>447576>You have the biggest technological changes in human history coupled with leadership that's older than the transistor. No amount learn to code is gonna save you.>The year is 2055>The world is divided between the domains of techno-lich overlords
>>445759>you should've wasted your life doing something you hated like I did.Nigger you are also going to be automated
>>445800Fucking ape over there, real programming problems are a hundred time easier to do for GPT than your "webdev" programming
>>448849Gui programming is so close to just being data that you even have special data languages for that.
I want to do some Motion Designer stuff because in my country, there are a lot of work on this.What do you think about School of Motion? Their curriculum looks fantastic!Any advice?
>>447987In Udemy you have a good course about gd from Linda Marsh. It covers all the topics, I find it really usefull.
I simply can't stop laughing. Your entire career has been reduced to a knock-off addon of a graphic-Clippy. Tell me, what does it feel like to be thrown out the door like an old mattress?
>>447994this mentality is the reason why you would have been exterminated in the third reich no aspirations, no creativity, no discipline, just slop production and consumption
>>445757What if I want to be a vidya designer? I’m starting my first year of college in Graphic Design with possibly Computer Science as a minor.
>>447544>>if you could somehow make connection with big companies or governments you'd be safe. connection is the most important factor in graphics design career.That just means it's a bullshit job then, where you have to have someone give you free money for doing it, in which case, you might as well get free money for doing nothing (if you're already born in the privileged class that can live like this), and you can just do it as a hobby occasionally.No one is going to give free money to just a random guy, if you're not someone's nephew, it's pointless.
>>448772>What about video editing? I really like it and it would be fun to work with itThere are literally already AI programs that most youtubers use for this.
