>ruins your afternoonI hate these niggers like you would've believe. Impacta, plus a torch plus penetrating oil and they still take 30 minutes of smashing. Tempted to buy an oxy torch just for blasting out these fucks.
>>2795611t. defeater of flathead screws
>>2795611skill issue
>>2795613this, impact driver makes short work of them. also, they are only installed to keep the rotor in place during assembly. you can leave them a bit loose, or remove them altogether at the first tire rotation or brake job.
>>2795613that shit just strips them>>2795611just get an impact hammer and rattle the plate while tugging back and forth. you should never need anything besides a regular ph3 screwdriver to get these out.
>>2795618>>2795613The Impacta is a impact driver. I've used that type before without luck, but the Impacta worked better since there wasn't 3 sources of slop on the bit. I need to get some JIS 5/16 bits for it though.Ended up having to drill the center out then I got the last one out.Then I tried removing the caliper bolts, and the nigger retards who changed the caliper used some weird one with differnt bolts. THEN I tried to remove the bracket and they somehow uggaduggad it on, despite not being room from an impact hammer that I literally was able to compress the suspension with a 3 ton jack on the end of the wrench. Threads were perfect though, baffling.
Would it help to put anti-seize compound on the threads?
>>2795611Car engineers will walk by three virgins just to fûck a mechanic
>>2795633>you should never need anything besides a regular screwdriver to get these outmaybe in the big rock candy mountain. anywhere that salts takes an act of godthe aircraft mechanics best friend usual gets the really tough ones
>>2795651Jails make of tin and dogs with rubber teeth?
>>2795645yes of course, I use it on basically everything in the brake/rotor/driveline area since it gets blasted by salt, sand and whatever else, but the screws in the OP aren't actually necessary at all.
>relubing caliper pins>one of the boots has a tear in it>its after 9m>car needs to be moved>I have to take it apart again since I have no spares It's never been so joever
>>2795611The alleged "redpill" is in many cases that they're just retaining screws for easier assembly at the factory and don't actually need to be replaced after drilling the fuckers out the first time, the caliper and lugs do a fine job holding the rotor in place. But I'm a sucker for factory repair manuals, so Mr. P.B. Blaster and his friend Dr. Bernzomatic [usually] own my rusted ass.
>>2795671Samefag, I say "usually" because I got depression after breaking an EZ-Out bit in one of those retaining screws, it's the "next guy's" problem now (i.e. me in 2 years after forgetting).
>>2795611>>2795675zap a nut on the head with the molten metal hot glue gun and take it out like a white man
Drill and discard, your wheel holds your rotor down just fine. Dont overthink it.
>>2795611Easy enough to drill the heads off so I do, but an OA torch is so versatile every mechanic should get one with both heating and cutting tips.I prefer older used US-made torch outfits because they're for the most part very high quality. Used cylinders save money too since it's better to own than lease and because they're filled by exchange you get one back with a current hydro date. Zoomers fear the glorious OA torch so I've bought outfits for less than the gas in the cylinders was worth.
Sucks to suckOn all new Jeeps these screws are Torx
>>2795611torx and mallet, that doesn't work fucking strip em out and yank that nigger off. I feel your pain, forget putting em back on
>>2795613Yeaaa buddy.The 1/4” versions have popped up on the market the past couple years are super useful too. The big version is tough to get in certain spots you need to remove a crusty ass PH2 screw.
>>2795645Yes, but copper or alu paste might be a better idea. Ideally you should oil anything you remove, to make sure its not a bitch to remove them again later.
>>2795611What the fuck. Is this a new car thing? I've never driven or worked on anything past 2005 and never seen these. The wheel holds the rotor on what the fuck are these for?
>>2797428pb assy inside of drum
>>2797516Wut?>>2797428They have been on BMWs and Hondas at least for a long time. BMW uses (or used) an allen head (picrel is 90s 3-series) and Hondas use the phillips/JIS.
>>2797428>>2797523They might be on VWs too. I think they’re popular on cars with lug bolts rather than studs and nuts. They help keep the rotor on the hub and keep it located so all the bolt holes line up.They’re totally unnecessary on cars with studs though, that’s why everybody says to just drill them out on Hondas. I think they’re used to make assembly easier or something on those cars
>>2795611Drill it out, that screw is useless apart from absolutely minimizing the possibility of some noise when braking in reverse.
>>2797525>>2797523I don't have an excuse for honda but it makes sense that shitty german cars for retards have stupid vestigial bolts that exist only to fuck with mechanics.
>>2795611always install screws using permatex
>>2797578Think about it on cars with lug bolts instead of studs and nuts. It actually makes sense there because the rotor is only very loosely sitting on the hub, and then it’s a headache to get all 15 holes lined up correctly when putting the wheel on and trying to get the lug bolts in.
>>2797403Any retard who owns one of these has outed themselves as an incompetent buffoon.
>>2797525does it really those car niggers love to save on everything seem retarded they would put a screw in for fucking no other reason, they could get away with a metal dowel locating pin instead. way cheaper than a fucking screw to locate. for honda it has to have some reason, for germans it's just to make you work more and charge you more in dealership and buy parts.
>>2795633>that shit just strips themIf an impact driver strips the screw, you were going to strip it anyway doing whatever hack shit you think would work.That or you're using it wrong.
>>2798056Soooo I see you have never encountered a really fucked screw that you didn’t want to drill out after you’re done stripping it.Last time I used it was on a Phillips screw that you couldn’t even really see with all the rust and gunk in there. Go ahead and stick an impact driver in there or a screw that has been painted over multiple times. It will be stripped to hell before you can get the bit seated in there.
>>2798062I don’t think a dowel would be any cheaper. The screws already exist, just tap a hole in the hub and drill a hole in the rotor.Now if you want to spoonfeed me on lug nuts vs bolts, I would be willing to hear that argument. I have no strong views either way.
>>2798056some of us are such giant baffons, we even opt for the strap on version of said retarded ass tool
>>2798067sooo I see you have never posessed the 4 brain cells it takes to do the same action with a hammer, or clean it off well enough to get a bite, or get abite with a chisel, or the balls it takes to just drill the head off. You my friend, should not be allowed to work on a fucking dog house.
>>2798108 barely used snap ring pliers have nothing to do with this you fucking moron. Verification not required
>>2798310Why would I do all of that stuff which takes 10x longer when a $15 tool makes quick work of it?
>>2798361>why would I try to think when I can buy another one-use tool for my collection that I show my internet friends to make them think I belong?classic bepis
>>2798365It’s the same with any tool. Why would I want an impact wrench when I could be stomping on a tire iron trying to remove overtightened lug nuts? Why would I want a circular saw or a sawzall when I could use a hacksaw and cut 98% slower? Why would I want a hammer when I can pick up a rock off the ground and smash this nail?>>2798365>>2798310>>2798056Confirmed for not knowing how those manual impacrs work
>>2798073lugs only have one advantage>easier to mount wheelsbut its also easier to cross thread themadvantages of bolts>they self-align when you put them in>easier to use different bolts>no need to press them out like studs >spacers and adapters can be used more easily>minimum thickness 3/4" for adapterspicrel can be used to make it easier to line up the holes>in case you are a girl
>>2798369>It’s the same with any tool.>lists a bunch of completely unrelated toolsdude just shut the fuck up, you're digging yourself deeper and just making yourself look even more retarded
>>2798381See the bottom part of >>2798369The 1/4” model works decent with spiral type extractors if you can get em with a hex shank or you have tap sockets and the larger impact with the 3/8” square. They’re great tools when you need em, which is why everybody who deals with those brake caliper screws uses them.
>>2798369why would i want to anon post when i can trip post
>>2798056>you're stupid for having a tool that excels at removing stuck screws, you NEED to completely destroy the screw because that's what a MAN does!
I always unscrew and reinstall them whenever the wheel is off. And very loosely.
>>2798056California soft hands
>>2798365Time is money.
>>2798462And even beyond that, wasting an afternoon getting frustrated isn’t really worth saving the $15 on the right tool
>>2798467if you get your ass whooped by a philips screw and need this tool you're a fuckin dumbass
>>2798489Imagine being a literal fucking retard and trying to be smug about it.
>>2798491imagine needing a special tool to get past one of the most trivial inconveniences in the mechanic world. These screws are the equivalent of having to tie your shoe. Oh, wait.
>>2798380vw group uses bolts on its wheels because its faster to make they can drill and tap the hole in one step instead of having to do more steps to press in studs
>>2798489>>2798690Imagine never having removed brake rotors on any Honda or European car and posting on the internet pretending you’re a master automotive technician
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>>2798056That would by implication include every military aircraft structural repair troop. You just don't know how to use one and are clearly not a professional mechanic so neck yourself.Those impacts excel at not stripping fasteners because they force the bit into the fastener while twisting. The screws themselves are line assembly aids (remember moving suspensions as a unit requires having brake rotors stay in place. They're so easy to drill out it's odd to do anything different if they strip with an impact.>>2798310You can't duplicate the same action with a hammer you moron. Take one apart if you don't know how the pin and rotary cam mechanism inside works. They rose to prominence in the ancient era when motorcycles came with Phillips engine cover screws which no conventional impact or other method handled well. They remain because conventional impact wrenches cannot do what they to (though one could be made to it would be impressively awkward vs breaking torque manually with the impact driver).>>2798365They're hardly a one-use tool. I've owned and used them longer than you've been alive.
>>2798850>Those impacts excel at not stripping fasteners because they force the bit into the fastener while twistingThis. It’s like 80% of the hammer blow is driving the driver head into the screw, and the other 20% of the force is being used to spin it, which is actually a lot of force when you have a 2lb-4lb hammer. You can’t really recreate that motion with other tools.
>>2795613This is what I used when i had a car that had set screws on the rotors. Worked like a charm.
>>2798489When I woke up this morning there was a turd in my bed next to my head
There is a special tool just for these screws/bolts. It's like combination between screwdriver and automatic-punch. You put it on the bolt and hammer it and as soon as you hammer it it turns.Also: Oxy torch is the most basic tool you need for wrenching. How you gonna do exhaust or suspension shit without it? You can use it for paintjob prep with some tin. You can weld with it.
>>2798923Stop picking up girls at the club, anon.
>>2798921obviously an impossible falsification see >>2798056
>>2798921Bepis pls put your trip back on!
>>2798690Imagine continuing to be a fucking retard and trying to be smug about it.Imagine thinking an impact driver is a "specialty tool."Imagine taking 4 hours to remove a screw and thinking the person that does it in 30 seconds is the one doing something wrong.
>>2795654Thant's the one
>>2797403Aliexpress link for the small one?
>>2800353It’s up to you to find it on Ali.I like the 1/4” drive one a lot because it’s way more versatile than the big brake rotor guys. If you have a hex or torx screw that’s on the verge of stripping out completely, stick a regular bit of that size in here and go to town.
