>Sassy>Sweet>She will NOT back downWhat's next for our most underappreciated Bat-Girl?
>>143557126>What's next for our most underappreciated Bat-Girl?Dick. MY dick
>>143557126NOBODY CARES ABOUT BETTE KANE
>>143557126She needs to get some beefcake. Dick is too twinkish.
>>143557126>What's next for our most underappreciated Bat-Girl?She's still Hawkfire and still at military school.
>>143557126Nothing, DC already has Steph for all they determined spunky blonde needs, and they barely use her, they're completely fine with letting Bette rot in comic limbo.
>>143557354She's still Flamebird and is running investigations with Hank.
>>143557430Karen you're a mom, why are you playing dress-up?
>>143557357If they decide to cut Steph from Cass' shadow, she needs Bette for Blonde Justice.
>>143557430That story is blatantly non-canon. She's still at West Point because DC doesn't want to anger Rucka.
>>143557573Fuck Rucka.
>>143557510It's a Titans West thing.
Why did Rucka think that the best idea for a cute ditzy superhero wannabe was to send her to West Point to become a hardened military person? That's such a cynical and shitty idea.
>>143557126I love her so much
>>143557939I'd say Bette has proven herself, in spite of her apparent ditziness. She can be serious when it counts, and she never lets herself stay down for long.
>>143558563Yeah, I never said she didn't. I mean that Rucka purposefully argued in bad faith to make her look worse to make it seem like she had to go become a soldier to be a worthwhile person. As if the army makes people good.
>>143557126She's definitely a cutie. She has any love interest? & if she were to be reintroduced then how can it be done?
>>143557304I do.
>>143557573Rucka doesn't give a shit about Bette, and if DC didn't want to anger Rucka they wouldn't have fucked over Kathy, Renee, Cris, Sasha, Nyssa, etc.
>>143558916>Kathy, Renee, Cris, Sasha, Nyssa, etc.How did they fuck them over? Renee and Kate are literally in comics right now.
>>143558637>love interest?Silver and Bronze Age - RobinDark Age - Hawk>if she were to be reintroduced then how can it be done?There's this whole fanon backstory for Bette after Batman Incorporated and Grayson.We all know that Kathy Kane (aka Luka Netz) was Agent Zero of Spyral. Kathy recruited Bette into Spyral and made her Bat-Girl to distract Robin. Bette and Kathy have a falling out in the late 70s so Luka mindwipes Bette and kills off the Kathy Kane identity. The stalkerish obsession with Robin/Nightwing is the vague memory of her forgotten mission. The mindwipe fucks with Bette's brain, turning her into the ditzy whore she became post-crisis.
>>143557939>>143558563Where the fuck does the idea that Bette is a ditzy wannabe come from? She's a woman in her 20s, a professional athlete, and has had a longer stint as a superhero than most of her contemporaries.
>>143557126Don’t know, but I hope they use her more.
>>143558637Dick, Hawk, and Beast Boy.
>>143560027Rucka
>>143560651Beast Boy is more like the guy everyone is surprised to find out is not her boyfriend.
>>143557573Male lesbian Greg Rucka?
>>143561199The very same. Who can only get off as long as one of the lesbians is a trained soldier or licensed blackops person
>>143561238You say that like it's a bad thing. You trying to tell me you don't want to fuck Michelle Rodriguez in Resident Evil?
>>143561321I'm not a woman or an operator so I can't.
>>143561649What's an operator?
>>143562083BlackOps person.
>>143561049Not for lack of trying. Maybe if he'd put on some muscle.
>>143561321Rucka is only interested in emotionally damaged, hardass soft butches.>>143562083Someone who operates operationally.>>143562148>it's another "Bette turns the Titans into her polycule" issue
>>143560335Cute!
>>143562945>Rucka is only interested in emotionally damaged, hardass soft butches.Which isn't Bette.
>>143563171Right? Artist has drawn her as Batgirl too.
>>143563291I need to get one of her with the other girls in minidresses.
>>143557430Can’t believe it’s been a year since that story.
>>143563964Bette is overdue for a bikini summer special.
>>143564395Bette should have at least gotten an appearance in Batgirls.
>>143564982I know she's hyphenated and all, but she should still count.
>>143559172>>143560651What about potential love interest? Because I'm suddenly thinking Luke Fox could have a go
>>143566413Nah.
>>143566413He already fucked a Batgirl. There's gotta be a better option.
>>143566519Bruce.
>>143557126After reading this page, the only sensible direction for this character to go is in the grave.
>>143566950Gross. No, it shouldn't be another Batman Family character they're incestuous enough as it is. Same with the Titans.
>>143566413What other beefcake is available? JPV?
>>143562148>turns into an animal while flirtingNever gonna beat those allegations.
>>143567309>>143567087What about Jaime Reyes?
>>143567528With Bette as the older woman? IDK, I think she can do better.If Bette is in Spyral like >>143559172 says then just hook her up with Tiger. We know he has a thing for blondes.
>>143566413She should steal Dick from Barbara.
>>143568284No, she should steal Babs from Dick.Because Babs is a better and more interesting character than Dick.
>>143568468come on we all know that's not true
>>143568468While true, and would be hot in a Blue is the Warmest Color kinda way, I doubt Babs would be into it. She'd probably prefer to watch Dick cheat on her.
>>143568468If she's going to dyke out with anyone, it's her cousin.
>>143570085Is incest so bad between lesbians?
>>143570848I don't think you understand the dumpster fire that is Kate Kane.
>>143571904Surely the worst is behind her. Right?
>>143566519Luke got cucked by Fugue.
>>143572165You'd think that.>>143572556Dick got cucked by Luke, Luke got cucked by Fugue, and that whole run read like she was banging Frankie off-screen.
>>143570085Bette isn't a lesbo. Though I can see her making out with Babs once the tequila starts flowing.
Bette is a virgin
>>143574340Yeah right.
>>143574340That would be an interesting twist considering how she throws herself at guys she's interested in >>143575142 Maybe her passion is too intimidating for the guys in the DC universe.
>>143559172>There's this whole fanon backstory for Bette after Batman Incorporated and Grayson.>We all know that Kathy Kane (aka Luka Netz) was Agent Zero of Spyral. Kathy recruited Bette into Spyral and made her Bat-Girl to distract Robin. Bette and Kathy have a falling out in the late 70s so Luka mindwipes Bette and kills off the Kathy Kane identity. The stalkerish obsession with Robin/Nightwing is the vague memory of her forgotten mission. The mindwipe fucks with Bette's brain, turning her into the ditzy whore she became post-crisis.Why would you want to ruin Bette as a character? Jesus fucking christ
>>143575660Is there any way to reconcile Bette and Kathy's history without fucking up Bette?
>>143576015The Luka/Kathy stuff was like 3 reboots ago there's no reason to assume it's hard canon anymore. Just say there was a real Kathy Kane and maybe the Spyral chick impersonated her for a bit.
>>143576015>>143576036Been thinking about this a lot, and it doesn’t seem that hard to reconcile, even when keeping Kathy’s spy angle. >Kathy Kane is a Spyral agent spying on Batman>Her niece, Bette, unexpectedly arrives in Kathy’s life.>Becomes Batgirl without knowing about the Spyral stuff>Having Bruce and Bette in her life softens Kathy and has her turn on Spyral.>Kathy gets blackmailed not only with threats of revealing everything to Bruce, but also with threats of Bette being harmed.>Kathy fakes her death in order to protect Bruce and Bette.Even the mindwipe stuff mentioned by >>143559172 could work with the angle of Kathy attempting to protect Bette, especially knowing Spyral has that sort of tech at hand. Would certainly explain why no one in the world could remember her time as Batgirl.
>>143576679I like Kathy being genuinely heroic for a bit and softening because of Bette a lot more than the previous suggestion. I think Bette being honest and likeable is a fundamental part of her appeal and making her a brainwashed spy is a huge mistake so yeah, good work
>>143576015Yes. Bette discovers Kathy's Batwoman persona but not her underlying Spyral affiliation, Kathy ropes in Bette to more effectively utilize her cover but leaving Bette in the dark so she's not a loose end. Everything proceeds as normal. Bette's post-Crisis history is twice as long as her pre-Crisis history anyways.
>>143576679That's good
>>143576679This is good too. The mindwipe gives Bette a hook, a lost past, and gives an out for the sexist dumb blonde trope she became in Hawk and Dove.
>>143577900>This is good too. The mindwipe gives Bette a hook, a lost past, and gives an out for the sexist dumb blonde trope she became in Hawk and Dove.Stop. You don't have to edgelord every fucking character.
>>143576679This scene is out of continuity now, the last Nightwing annual showed Spyral still remembered Dick Grayson was Nightwing.
>>143557357interestingly enough, bette kane was the only non-babs batgirl to survive barry allen's accidental purge of legacy
>>143577937Pre-Crisis Betty is better than Post-Crisis Bette. Fight me.
>>143577900Mindwipes are retarded.
>>143577937>>143575142Bette's always been earnest when she's interested in a guy. Maybe it follows the "dumb blonde" trope, but she still went to UCLA, and is a tennis champ. Her being feminine and charming and likeable isn't a net negative for her character.
>>143578116You don't have to fucking introduce drama to a character who is blissfully free of it and I hate that you think it's necessary. Fuck you, you're the kind of person who wants superhero comics to be constant angst and torture porn.
>>143576837>>143577133>>143577900Thanks. My next thought experiment will be to figure out how to make Kathy not be Bruce’s aunt.>>143577937>>143577962I feel like with Bette there has to be some sort of explanation of why no one seems to acknowledge her as Batgirl, especially after decades of storytelling painting Babs as the first Batgirl.>Spyral still remembered Dick Grayson was Nightwing.Yeah, definitely a bit finicky, but it was only done to restore Dick’s secret identity and since the world doesn’t seem to know he’s Nightwing I’m assuming it’s still canon. They already established how expectations were made so I wouldn’t worry too much about it.
>>143578286>there has to be some sort of explanation of why no one seems to acknowledge her as BatgirlIt was written out of continuity in 1984 and before that no one gave a shit when it was in continuity.
>>143557430Lilith too, apparently.
>>143570085No, Kate is fucking horrible.
>>143578286Explain why Bette became Flamebird in the first place. Remember World’s Finest is back in continuity so Flamebird was Jimmy’s Kandor identity.
>>143557126Continuing to languish in obscurity as DC continues to dig its hole with no-draw shit characters like used goods whore and gookgirl
>>143580023>Explain why Bette became Flamebird in the first place.Because it sounds awesome.
Just have Bette be the L.A. heroine, living it up with celebs and shit in between kicking ass and being a tennis champ. It would better contrast her from Nightwing and the rest of the Bats
Bette gets hold of Kara's old Flamebird armor. But who can she get to play girl Nightwing with her...
>>143580023>Explain why Bette became Flamebird in the first place.Doesn’t sound too hard, even if we take into consideration a potential mindwipe and follow what we know about post-Crisis Bette:>Bette has an admiration for Robin>Meets Superman at one point who tells her about Nightwing and Flamebird>Becomes Flamebird to impress Robin.Only hard part would be figuring out how she’d reform Titans West again, though I guess most teenaged superheroes become Titans at one point or another.
>not many people discussing Bette>one insists on trying to force his shitty mindbreak fetish constantlyPAIN
>>143580839>>Meets Superman at one point who tells her about Nightwing and FlamebirdA flashback Superman, Bat-Girl story could be adorable.
Okay so>Bette is Dick's first love interest> Kathy, the first Batwoman is her aunt>Kate Kane, the albino lesboid is Batman's cousin>Kate and Bette are cousins Does this mean Batman kissed his aunt? Are Dick and Bette legally cousins? Is there some retcon or explanation I'm missing here?
>>143581280you're either really dumb or a really bad troll
>>143581337Thanks for answering my question.
>>143580023Bette named herself after the mythological concept of the firebird, something that exists in numerous Earth cultures. Everything else is just coincidence. All this shit about she's actually a superspy mindwiped until she was retarded is some Roy Thomas-tier unnecessary and convoluted baggage that overcomplicates the character for the sake of small world syndrome and to make her a bit player in someone else's background - whose canonicity is questionable at this point. "Bruce's cousin who became a superhero because she had a teenage infatuation with Robin" is a perfectly fine origin that doesn't require explaining the history of two other characters for setup and context.
>>143581280Kathy is Bruce's aunt by marriage, Kate, Bette, and Bruce are all first cousins.>>143580296>Dick travels to LA for a case>Flamebird is actually a fairly well-liked and connected hero in LA>Angelenos all think Nightwing peaked years ago and has been coasting on his TT cred ever since>Dick seethes endlesslyBetween the sports industry, military, family connections to international business, glowies, PMCs, the arms industry, and her history with the Titans Bette's got a solid foundation for plotlines. Just say her parents are connected to the entertainment industry and you could take her in all sorts of directions.
>>143581280Why does Kate need to be Bruce's cousin anyway? That just seems random and pointless. Bruce Wayne shouldn't have any living blood relatives.
>>143580296I love that old costume
>>143581600But then how will we have the family incest drama?
>>143581280>Are Dick and Bette legally cousins?Would that be a turn on for Babs, that Dick made out with his cousin?
>>143581615The cleavage is tasteful, yet the fabric clings to her boobs.
>>143581365That's retarded.Just have a Bette who has been floundering since the Rozakis TT run into Superman or Jimmy and get a pep-talk.
>>143581477>Signing autographs, posing for selfies, going to movie premieres, L.A. has brought out your worst. Whatever happened to doing good, Bette?>Listen. Dick. You don't get to come across the country and tell me how to live my life. And guess what? This city doesn't have any gargoyles to hide behind. When I do some good, people are going to see it. I can't hide like you and your family, and if having fans, and the support of the city helps me do more good, I'm going to take advantage of it. >And a date with Dicaprio is just an occupational hazard, is it? >You had your chance, boy billionaire. >Look, I just don't want you to->"-get hurt"? Get a new line. I've been at this as long as you have, and have handled my own even better. Sorry to bust your ego, but I've grown beyond you. If you want my help with this case, you have it. But don't talk down to me. Ever.
>>143581280>Does this mean Batman kissed his aunt? Are Dick and Bette legally cousins?Yeah, technically. DC really wrote themselves into a corner there. Guess the pairs not being blood-related must be good enough for them.>Is there some retcon or explanation I'm missing here?Probably happened when Kate became related to Bruce, though I can’t remember when that was first established.
>>143583879Dick's antipathy towards Bette being 50% unwillingness to move past his opinion of her 14yo self and 50% slighted ego that she no longer gives a shit about him or what he thinks would be gold.
>>143578583
Can she ever move past the Rucka disaster?
>>143585956Pretty easily. In the grand scheme of things Bette has a significantly better track record than Kate, who off the top of my head has been stabbed in the heart, had her neck broken, and raped by a supervillainess.
>>143586044Oh yeah what is Nocturna doing these days?
>>143557677>>143558916Why do people hate Rucka again? I liked the few comics I read from him
>>143586082In the context of this thread it's just because he had Kate be a total asshole to Bette, burning her costume, banning her from superheroing and telling her she was a danger to herself and others. and eventually gaslighting her into going to West Point to get serious, which is the last time we ever saw Bette as a character bar one brief part where she came out of retirement
>>143586044>and raped by a supervillainess.Vampire hypnosis means it isn't rape. DC has been oddly consistent with this.
>>143557126Kathy has teamed up with Babs. Why not Bette?
>>143586082Most people don't. This thread is referencing a specific story element he introduced, though is really on JH Williams for its execution. However, Rucka has a clear favorite character archetype and he will gladly change characterization to make it fit (Kate was originally a lipstick lesbian until he was able to wrest full control over the character) plus uses it over and over again so a lot of his work feels repetitive on character beats. Specific to his work on Wonder Woman he comes off as not giving a single shit about Diana's wider mythos and history, and viewing his stories and changes as the true Wonder Woman canon - which is compounded by his additions to WW being fairly derivative and boring.
>>143586508So she did got out of West Point. Good for her.Wonder if she graduated, or just left
As always, the Scooby Doo comics do the obscure DC characters justice. No Spyral garbage, no Kate being a a horrible bitch, just the characters being given respect.
>>143586537
>>143586539Bette is still a little bit of a ditz.
>>143586548It's part of her charm.
>>143586525I choose to believe that she graduated top of her class just to hold it over Kate, but never served because she used her graduation speech to reveal that she never applied to West Point and was instead given a place and forced to attend due to family connections causing an admissions scandal that brought down the current West Point administration and caused her commission to be invalidated. Also she finished her bachelor's in sports medicine at UCLA at the same time through correspondence because she's the platonic ideal of a Type-A alpha Stacy. >>143586108Personally I don't feel like it crossed the line to rape territory but there were definitely some abuse elements. It's also really, really funny to interpret it as Kate being such a fuck up she accidentally found herself the sub to a pretty aggressive dom in a trainwreck relationship and tried to get out of it by claiming vampiric mind control.
>>143586583Agreed.Big fan of Kathy being just an older retired superhero who can come back occasionally rather than the artifically grown daughter of a nazi scientist belonging to a worldwide conspiracy to overthrow all governments
>>143586605>It's also really, really funny to interpret it as Kate being such a fuck up she accidentally found herself the sub to a pretty aggressive dom in a trainwreck relationship and tried to get out of it by claiming vampiric mind control.I love the idea that Kate tries to play at being the big bad ex-military alpha bitch but deep down she just wants someone to put a collar on her and tell her she's a good girl. She tries to hide it, maybe even to herself, with the short hair and the cool demeanor but then she meets a sigma female like Nocturna and immediately goes "Oh god I need her to choke me out while she's railing my ass". It's my new characterization for her. Just goes weak in the knees when she meets an actual domme.
>>143586605Bette would never actually serve. She's many things but she's not a killer. She's not going to become some soldier drone.
>>143586632>I love the idea that Kate tries to play at being the big bad ex-military alpha bitch but deep down she just wants someone to put a collar on her and tell her she's a good girl.>>143586521>(Kate was originally a lipstick lesbian until he was able to wrest full control over the character)Man, if I was a lesbo, I'd get Kate to wear a dress and tell her she was pretty.
>>143586611>rather than the artifically grown daughter of a nazi scientist belonging to a worldwide conspiracy to overthrow all governmentsIf it weren't for that, I would have wanted Kathy to come back and make an honest man out of Bruce.
>>143586675>Man, if I was a lesbo, I'd get Kate to wear a dress and tell her she was pretty.Based. The second best option is her realizing she's a bisexual and getting with a nice man who treats her like a princess. :3
>>143586699She's too high profile a lesbo token for that to happen. At best, she gets Spider-Woman'd and get a sperm donationed for a pregnancy arc.
>>143586632>You will never do Kate's make-up, brush her wig, clasp a leather collar over her costume, and send her out to fight crime with a slap on her ass and a "Good hunting, soldier":(
>>143586802>YWN welcome her back after a long night and interrupt her clipped military style report by putting your finger over her lips and sliding your had between her thighs>YWN see her self-respect war with her arousal and love of being the girly object of desire>YWN call her a good girl as you help her out of her Batwoman costume and into her bunny suit
>>143586525I choose to believe that the West Point stuff was all retconned out of continuity when the New 52 was killed. Because it was stupid.
>>143587048It was just a hasty way to get Bette out of the way. I doubt anyone gave it a lick of thought.
Make disaster bisexual Kate canon, DC. You fucking cowards
>>143587540All they would need to do is make her bisexual.
>>143587564This writing is so fucking bad
>>143587610One of these days somebody is going to have the brilliant idea to write a "lost years" story of Kate's time as a drunken lesbian hot mess because that makes her relatable or some shit.
>>143587810It's weird how hard Rucka self-inserts as a hardcore military dyke. Every goddamn comic he writes has one. Makes me wonder if he gets hard from imaging himself as a rugmuncher
>>143587810They did, she fell off a boat, washed up on an island ruled by a lebian dictator, accidentally destroyed its ecosystem, got a head injury while bailing on the place, and forgot about it.>>143587834He outright called himself a male lesbian, what do you think?
>>143588116>He outright called himself a male lesbian, what do you think?Did he ever serve, though? Or is that just wish fulfillment?
>>143584010>DC really wrote themselves into a corner thereConsidering Dick hasn't cared about her since the 50s, they didn't write themselves into a cornerAnd nobody likes Bette enough for there be an outcry at her being a incest freak
>>143586675>tell her she was pretty.NTA, but Kate was gorgeous as a lipstick lesbian. I have come to accept some of the changes if only because it helps differentiate Kate from Babs.
>>143589034Rucka ruined her.
>>143587564Issue sauce?
>>143589034Glam butch is a sorely underrated aesthetic but I think that given Kate's personality she should switch it up for the sake of contrarianism. If everyone expects her to look butch then she's going to full girly-girl and vice versa. As far as similarity to Babs, Kate was always looked more hipster/scene.
>>143590100Kate is a girly-girl deep down.
>>143590118Earth-3 Kate is a bimbomaxxed fashionista who abuses the shit out of her diesel dyke girlfriends.
>>143590584Nah, Earth-3 Kate is hyper-straight and hates gays.
>>143590584>Kate>BimbomaxxedHNNNNNGG!!!
>>143590584>Earth-3 Kate is a bimbomaxxed fashionistaGonna need art of this. Is she still a redhead?
>>143587564Imagine if Bette was there and it ended up being a threesome....
>>143586108I wish I had been paying attention when that shit went down.
>>143591538>Blonde (Yep, it's natural)Marry me, Bette.
>>143591543>Kate's drunk>Emotionally vulnerable>Thinks she's someone else>Overcome by pheromones>But it's completely consensual. Honest. >Kate's just an easy slut.
>>143591538That costume is so good.
I just realise something. What about Jimmy Olsen as a love interest for Bette Kane?Because as I just remembered, Jimmy Olsen was once called Flamebird, & the recent Superman cartoon had a blog called Flamebird. Wouldn't he be the obvious choice since both characters use the Flamebird alias?
>>143591909...would Bette be into the crossdressing?
>>143592353Bette strikes me as someone who is exceedingly vanilla, so probably not.
>>143592353>>143592524According to a Batgirls thread greentext, Jimmy is too vanilla for her and doesn't crossdress enough.
>>143592353NGL the idea of Bette crossdressing and trying to pass as a dude with her gigastacy look is pretty hot. Bind those boobs down, cut the hair...
>>143592562I must have missed that one.
>>143591633Yeah, Andreyko made Kate look worse by insisting that she wasn't raped.
>>143592613Bette would go full dudebro femboi. She'd totally try to hook up with a hard muscle bara while reverse trapping.
>>143592813Hnnngh. Anon please.
>>143585421I wonder if Bette would get along with Steph.
>bimbomaxxed Kate>reversetrap femboi betteWHY IS THIS THREAD SO BASED
>>143592708Damn, Kate is so easy to bully. It's pretty hot.
>>143595500That whole event was such garbage.
>>143596699It was an Elseworld, not an event.
>>143595500Bette deserved better. Dying, and as Hawkfire, sucks.
>>143562148Still can’t believe there was an entire Beast Boy focused event, and there was no mention of Bette.
>>143597551Dude, no one fucking cares about Bette.
>>143597551Guess they didn't think Bette was close enough with him.
>>143597631
>>143599062Wonder what the current canon status of Bat-Girl and Robin is. I can see them being a young love, summer romance kind of thing very early on before Kathy retires.
>Kate presents herself a s big boss dyke military vet>buzz cut and manly clothing all the time>meets actual domme woman who instantly sees through her shit>starts treating Kate like the bimbo she wants to be calling her "babe" and "honey">Kate is sputtering but only weakly protests>when she does try to speak out against it her GF just kisses her and massages her tits a bit until she moans>Kate secretly loves being the trophy girl>still tries to maintain her hardass attitude as Batwoman>but the moment she comes home from patrol her GF grabs her and tugs down her suit, sucking her tits until she's panting>starts wearing cute dresses and growing her hair out again
>>143599308I mean, everything is supposedly canon now, so who knows?
>>143600270>>starts wearing cute dresses and growing her hair out againHnnng!!! A man can only take so much!
>>143600589>Kate has gotten her hair out into a nice neck-length and gotten a little color back into her skin>looks herself in the mirror and knows she should be outraged>instead she puts on some nice ruby lipstick and slips into a cute red dress with tasteful cleavage and red pumps>goes to meet her girlfriend>she's greeted with a "You look great, baby" and a kiss on the cheek>Kate is blushing but it makes her feel really good>During dinner her girlfriend carefully steers Kate away from talking shop to talking about stuff they both enjoy> Kate gets the wrong order and is suddenly feeling self-conscious about complaining>her gf speaks up and anrgily demands they fix it>Kate has the best evening she's had in years, just being treated as a princess
