Looks suspiciously the previous OP pic but with a new account
and because I forgot:Previous thread >>10891414
>>10895776This one's white so it can't be the same girl. I guess these ita retards are going to start plaguing LM regularly.
>>10895776No feed back and account is less than a week old. Terrifying.
>>10895790The person selling these knows nothing abt lolita. They found the dresses in a storage unit they bought and they were advised to use LM.
>>10895794I don't believe it. No non-lolita would bother searching up dress names.
>>10895798Fair point. I don't know anything about this drama. I was just repeating what I saw them say on Reddit. Could for sure be BS.
>>10895798If it’s a flipper then they would, it’s unlikely most non flippers would buy a random storage unit
>>10895798That's a pretty wild statement. Lots of high-end jewelry, clothing, and other items has very specific series names and terms that a buyer might search for. If you want to successfully flip anything online you've got to look up the lingo for your listing, it's just part of the job.I mean my granny managed to find and use lolibrary to buy a gift for me off eBay, and she barely knows how to use google. It's not rocket science.
>>10895780Those are some crusty ass fingers kek
>>10895798google lens would make it easy nowadays
>>10895798Never underestimate flippers. People who buy storage units are detectives when it comes to obscure collectibles. Their whole ass job depends on the ability to research stuff to find where the buyers are and what the items are called/worth. It is kinda funny that some 50 year old normie dude does better research than ita newbs begging to be spoon fed at every corner and buying off Amazon because they’re too stupid to figure out how to use LM.
No caps because I don't want to dox myself but I'm in so much disbelief at my local comm>Girl on a local Lolita buy sell Facebook group is selling her wardrobe with the caption "pm for prices and to discuss bundles">Cheap sweet taobao dresses catch my eye and I think I can wear them out casually without worrying about damaging burando>"Hi anon, I bought them for around $200 each on Devilinspired so make an offer">Find the lolibrary links for the dresses and they all originally retail for around $50 max>Message the seller with the links, tell her that she got scammed, but said I'll pay the original taobao price just to be nice>"Sorry anon, I got offers higher than that. Have a nice day :))"Even if I thought the dresses were cute, no way would I be spending much more than what they are worth, and I'm mad that the original seller, despite knowing that, would still overcharge newbies buying off her who wouldn't know any better.
>>10896232If retail TB is $50, it’s pretty common to see them go for $75 or so. At least in my experience there’s a bit of a convenience fee for the dress already being in the US unless the dress is wrecked. Plus, incisive of tb fees and international shipping most dresses actually cost $25-40 more than retail. I don’t think I’ve ever sold a tb piece for less than I bought it for except for one hideous one that wasn’t as pictured in the tb listing. People are very impatient and since buying off of tb still needs an agent, a lot of people are willing to pay more to not go through that process. I really don’t think she’s being all that shitty unless she’s getting $200 offers or something.
Is anyone else having bad luck with buyers on Lace Market lately, or is it just me? Since September, I have sold three things and for each, the buyers ghosted me. It's hard enough to sell anything right now without buyers also weaseling out of a sale.
>>10896254This has been the worst year for Lacemarket for everyone I've talked to. Scammy sellers that don't disclose damages and noob buyers that can't pay or ghost. No matter how many bad feedback, no bans will take place. The career scalpers make up over half the listings on the platform by now. No one wants to sell on LM anymore, everyone is either using Facebook or Depop. It's about time we make a new platform that can actually be moderated.
>>10895823>>10896199flippers wouldn't know the going rate of dresses now though.
>>10896258If they can find lacemarket they can see the sales history nonny, and all the auctions have a bidding price that’s lower.
>>10896199I used to help an ex sell antiques on eBay. You look for hallmarks. You mouth the pearls because real ones are a little rough. There's a trick for bakelite with soap I don't remember. This person absolutely could have done the research to find LM.
>>10896232Are they dresses that are actually currently available on taobao? A lot of taobao pieces go up in price not just because of the 'convenience fee' like >>10896250 mentioned but also because they're rare outside of China or fill some specific niche (like the fandom dresses). Also a lot of people are willing to pay a premium to get their items immediately from a local, rather than waiting weeks or months for overseas shipping and manufacturing.
>>10896295I understand more popular taobao releases having better resell value, but these are all cheap mass produced poly sweet Lolita dresses from small unknown taobao brands. Not to mention the original seller based the value of the dress off what she paid for on Devilinspired which is known to upsell their items like crazy.
>>10896335I mean she’s not forcing anyone to buy them… if they haven’t done the basic research then that’s on them. LM is the first resource on every basic beginner post.
>>10896289you really put random unwashed pearls in your mouth from a store to test it..
>>10896405I don’t stop there, I crunch on them and sometimes swallow them. Antique store grime has a flavor all its own. Git gud flippers.
I need someone to explain to me why this skirt is so criminally short
>>10896453Because it wasn’t designed for giraffes, it was designed for the Japanese market. AP mini skirts are usually about 12 inches long on the skirt portion. Cute if you’re below 5’2”. Borderline pornographic if you’re not. Plus they also have a tiny waist measurement so they often end up even shorter because you have to hike it up higher on your waist to get it to fit.
>>10896453>>10896461I don't remember this series ever having a miniskirt cut, maybe this was once the regular standard skirt but has been altered to remove the lace and the second ruffle tier. Or a replica?
>>10896467I think this has been altered.
>>10896461it’s blatantly altered you pompous newfag. ap wasn’t making miniskirts around that time. go chew glass>>10896453why did she do this? maybe it was severely damaged?
>>10896467>>10896472Replica is the most likely explanation, but this could also be one of those things that isn’t on lolibrary. A lot of vintage releases have missing cuts.
>>10896479Giraffe spotted kek
>>10896481i’m 5”3, don’t try to deflect because you’re a retarded newfag who can’t even recognize releases
>>10896461I smell BS, This skirt would look visibly shorter in the stock photos if you had to be below 5’2” to make it look cute. > AP mini skirts are usually about 12 inches long on the skirt portion.You cannot be serious with this. This is the length of a 140cm mezzo piano skirt.
>>10896405That was left to my ex's mother. The main point is these people are feral.
>>10896480I'm thinking it's a replica because the placement of the rabbit is more in the center when it's supposed to be more on the side. Also it was a winter release so it'd be thematically weird for it to have had a miniskirt cut, especially all the way back from 2006
>>10896453image source?? I know Dakota rose alters some angelic pretty a while back but I don't know if this is her or her doing in this
>>10896484Anon is right. AP mini skirts are usually about 30cm from the end of the waist panel to the hem, though usually have longer waist bands like the Milky Planet mini skirt. They are freakishly short.
>>10896484Tell me you’ve never seen an AP mini skirt without telling me newfag. They’re infamously short, just go look on library if you need proof. They’re all listed around 40cm total length, 10cm for the waist panel and 30 cm for the skirt part.
>>10896511People really are considered newfags for anything these days. AP mini skirts were never really popular and I never felt the need to get one.>>10896510This is wild to me. I’m 157cm and 12 inch skirts don’t even cover my ass.
>>10896513If you’re short they’re actually hella cute imo. Similar to salopettes, plus they’re always hella cheap because so few people can wear them without flashing their ass.
>>10896514It’d probably be longer on me since most AP skirts are like 65 - 75cm in the waist so for me it would go straight to my hips. Maybe I’ll get one if it’s like 30 bucks.
>>10896494>image source??This was taken from a listing for the bag on a Euro resale app, so it's definitely not her
>>10896514I'm average Japanese woman height and AP "miniskirt" aren't really that mini. They go past my fingertips, about mid thigh. Short for lolita of course, but my ass is far from falling out. They're a cute appropriate length.
>>10896256Lacemarket is full of crap but it's not hard to avoid shitty buyers and sellers if you pay attention to how the listings look, vet the feedback sections and tread carefully with anyone with very little/no feedback.
Seller says these were only tried on at home, so why do they all look like absolute rats nests? Lowkey pissed off because I've been looking for Arda Skyelar in grey.
This sold for less than I was expecting. Granted it didn't come with the choker or headdress, but there's a huge difference between $7700 and ~$1300. I wonder if the girl who bought the set regrets it at all.
>>10898030>didn't come with the choker or headdressFor completionists, that's a big deal, so I'm not too surprised. But LM tends to go crazy with prices more so than the JP market. I have no doubt that it would have been bid up if it was posted to LM instead. >wonder if the girl who bought the set regretsI always wonder if the sale even went through.
>>10898166I'm so sad when someone posts something nice as an auction on LM. Good for seller I guess but I always know I'm gonna lose out to someone willing to massively overspend on it
>>10896256doesn't fix the site at its root but does make it more manageable to use:https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hide-lacemarket-scalpers/lalhiinaooiafghicjkcchkieadhcfbp?pli=1
how do you all feel about fatties stretching out and ruining brand? whenever i see a listing with "plus size friendly" in the description i just know that shit is gonna be stretched out and destroyed.
>>10898727learn to replace elastics. elastics can wear down to nothing over enough time even if it's never been worn by anyone bigger than the intended size. that's just what elastic does and something you'll have to learn to deal with.
>>10898727It's annoying. If someone larger than the intended measurement range squeezes themselves into any garment (shirring or not) it will stretch/deform the fabric and/or elastic over time if the seams don't pop. But also ALL of my raglan sleeve OPs (standard size, no shirring) that I bought second hand from japan had stretched elastic around the neckline. As well as a lot of jsks with elastic straps (babydoll jsk for example). You just gotta deal and replace the elastic. Elastic loses its elasticity over time, even when the dress was never worn by anyone bigger than the intended body measurements. If you see "plus sized friendly" in the description then be prepared to replace the elastic.
>>10898727Personally I put “plus size friendly” in the title because I know fatties are desperate for brand that fits them and not because it’s stretched out. I’m trying to make a sale here.
>>10898735true, the plus sized lolitas who actually are willing to pay for brand are usually willing to pay a lot for it.
>>10898735i think a lot of people do this. blouses in particular sell a lot faster when labelled this way.
>>10898735oh how cruel, exploiting the fatties for profit!
>>10898755Is that really true? Blouses in my size range seem to get snapped up quickly or subject to bidding wars, but those "plus size friendly" ones sit there forever and take up space
>>10898758nayrt, I see a lot of meta plus size dresses get sold in like 5 minutes.
>>10898758The fastest I’ve ever sold anything was fully shirred JSKs marked as plus size friendly. stuff I’m selling because it was too small for me (a person with bmi 20 so this stuff isnt necessarily tiny) sits for weeks. the lolita community is seriously fat lol.
>>10898761fully shirred jsks sell well because they're comfortable and fit nearly everyone. So the pool of potential buyers is large (pun not intended), larger than the pool of potential buyers for regular size or plus size products on their own. That doesn't mean the lolita community isn't fat, but fully shirred jsks selling quickly isn't a solid indication for that. If you want to see how fat the community is then look at meetup pictures in various locations worldwide.
>>10898755I do it as well, but in the description. I'm not fat but if it has shirring, it is plus size friendly so whatever.
>>10898727"plus size friendly" is such a stupid fucking term, why do fatties need a special hugbox word for their shit? It's annoying because it's so unspecific, you have to check to see if it's actually an item that only fits plus sizes or if it's just shirred or something
>>10900635>It's annoying because it's so unspecificnayrt, but it's unspecific because they couldn't agree on a specific starting point for plus sized. I still remember several waves of the discussions about it. Lots of americans loudly argued that it should start at US plus sizes, despite the fashion originating from Japan and the fact that japanese brands still lead the fashion. They got very pissed off at the idea that it should start at a japanese size L. A lot of japanese brands have pieces that use a japanese size M as reference measurements. Some pieces have features that allow for size flexibility below and above a jpn size M, but those that don't simply won't fit someone above a japanese size M. So people who are a japanese size L or larger are cut off from a lot of releases.As people got bigger some people started to argue plus size should start at 110cm bust, or even 120cm bust.LM tries to solve that issue by having several different boxes for different size ranges based on bust and waist measurements.
>>10900639Ya, but people used to also know the measurements for things… at least everyone I’m friends with knew what we could fit (ie if we could fit non shirred vs 1/4 shirred vs half shirred etc.) for the brands we wear, now I have people asking for measurements for 1/4 shirred items…. Like how do you not know? It’s not like the sizing changes between dresses that have the same level or shirring. If you’re too fat for 1 quarter shirred dress you’re too fat for all of them in general.
>>10900662There's nothing wrong with people asking for measurements because of the following reasons:-lolibrary/brand measurements are often not accurate, over the years I've heard plenty of accounts of pieces being considerably bigger or smaller than the stated measurements. Sometimes the stated measurements should be interpreted as a recommended size range, not absolute minimum and maximum measurements. This can be really significant, like 10~15cm extra that you weren't expecting, or a piece states a max measurement of 100cm but doesn't stretch above 90cm.-just because two dresses by the same brand look like they used the same bodice patterns does not mean they have the same measurements. Brands do update their patterns every once in a while, so it might be bigger or smaller than what you're used to.-sometimes the people cutting the pattern pieces on the production floor were just eyeballing it, which results in inconsistent garment measurements. I think this is especially true for the "made in japan" era of japanese brands. I have lots of old stuff, sometimes multiple colorways of the same release, and size consistencies are very noticeable with those. Terrible sloppy sewing/construction on the inside of some of them too (yes, even btssb), which also contributes to size inconsistencies. I'm not sure what the situation is with modern production in China (I do not have any modern releases to compare), probably much bigger productions runs than they used to, but everything is still made by people with sewing machines which means there's always room for error.Sellers might consider it a pain in the ass but it's excellent when sellers do their own measurements and state them in the listing. I sometimes see listings that say "official measurements state max of ... cm, but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone over....cm" that is exactly the kind of info potential buyers want to know.
>>10900673I forgot to add that the dimensions of clothes can change depending on how it's washed and who wears it. Stuff can shrink in the wash. Some people stretch the shirring. Those are just more reasons to measure the item and include that info in the listing.
>>10898727putting plus size friendly in the title allows you to increase the price by 25% and sell it almost instantly
>>10900796not even going to spill the tea?
Rare how?
Beware this person on Depop - they're reselling items they bought off other depop sellers and charging a huge makeup & using other people's photos.
is she a reseller? i know she's a discord-chan, and she has such an immense amount of clothing that i can't help but wonder if she's flipping. her prices are generally decent, though, so maybe she just has one hell of a shopping addiction. thoughts?
>>10901558Pretty sure she's just an oldhead with a shopping addiction
>>10901560>5 Yeats>oldheadLol.>>10901558She does resell on her depop @shopbelledreams but it's regular jfashion, not sure if she resells lolita but probably.
>>10901558>thoughts?about what? she has a lot to sell and you yourself said the prices are reasonable. who cares?
>>10900639I thought it was so simple until I gained relationship/stress weight specifically in my bust and now pieces that should still fit based on measurements dont due to just how my fat and weight is distributed. it sucks but im just existing.
>>10901558Her friends will defend her but she has admitted to scalping for "easy money."
>>10901634show me what she's scalped then nonny
>>10901680just a tip, when you get this defensive it’s clear who’s posting
actual newlita question, is the JP 2nd hand market just actually terrible price wise or am I stupid and not looking right? mercari & yahoo is always lacking in general but even the international selling stores like wunderwelt and closet child seems to feel more dry and expensive ?
>>10901699WW overcharges in general, but JP markets tend to be cheaper than western. Rn you may find better prices on LM though since we're in a recession and lots of people are discounting too.
>>10901709> lots of people are discountingThat’s a really broad statement when it comes to lace market. LM is priced more about what’s trendy whilst mercari is more of what Japanese people feel like selling, of course there’s scalpers on mercari too but it’s easy to avoid. From my perspective LM has only gotten more ridiculous with pricing since 2020.
>>10901699cc has stuff at decent prices but scalpers and campers tend to snap those things up as soon as they drop on the site
>>10901546thanks for the scalper report. i won't be buying from them
>>109017102020 prices were nuts because people were spending more time online and had extra money. Many things will retain their value regardless of a tanking economy, but overall prices have dropped and sales are more frequent on LM. However, sales will likely pick up a bit soon since tax returns are coming.
>>10901709Nayrt, different newlita and JP prices feel crazy compared to LM ones. Most of the pieces I've seen that I liked cost 50k+ yenAlso, is there a list of known LM scalpers?
>>10901746Spotting a scalper on LM is easy;> There location is in (almost always) China> Selling 20+ items> Stupidly high prices
>>10901746Depends on what you’re looking at. There’s expensive stuff anywhere but I’m a newlita and I’ve never spent more than 20k yen on a second hand brand dress so far, and usually a lot less
>>10901746it depends on the brand, too. some brands (old moitie, MM, etc) are pricy right now
>>10901764I'm pretty sure some of these people just have big wardrobes and lost stuff at a price they wouldn't mind letting go of it for. I've thought of doing this, lots of stuff I like but I'd let go for like $500 or $600
>>10901785Doubt that
Who stole my opportunity...
>>10901746>list of known LM scalpersCheck farms thread #16, it got a list posted. You can check the girl that posted it's LM ToS too. It's not everyone though since she obviously isn't listing her friends. But you can poke around past cgl threads to find some others
>>10901812Don't worry anon! It'll be on fril in a few days for 100k :^)
>>10901835Can you post a screenshot please?
>>10901846I wanted to be the one that sell 100k
>250 eurosadvanced delusion
hope you had a good day today, anon
>>10902067unironically looks way better than most AP bullshit
>>10901746Are you also by chance an Innocent World fan?
>>10902608Yes, although I was thinking more of Meta and Baby
>>10902608Aside from a few key pieces I usually see IW going cheaper than other brands
>>10902592Cringe.
>>10902630True, I'm new (was here in 2014 though just had to finish high school and pay rent till my mid-20s) and every time I'm looking for a simple, easy piece to coord with anything, boom, there's someone selling Innocent World skirts for $35 yaya thank you IW
Has anyone had to ask for a refund or return from Closet Child before? They sent me a stained skirt that wasn't described in the listing as damaged, and another sukapan with questionable stains on the crotch (ikr)
>>10903098I’ve done it many times, you don’t even have to mention a refund. Just email them photos, the listing link and proof of damage and they’ll take care of the rest. Their customer service is great. Unlike WW
>>10903104Oh that's reassuring to hear, thank you! They're usually super thorough so I was surprised.
>>10902603it's literally a knockoff of an AP design
>>10903112How's an OnS design a knockoff? The brand provided the pattern for people to use, so by default it's not stolen or trying to be a replica.
>>10903119how’s it look better than most AP if AP made the design?
>>10903175Because even an amateur doing handmade has better material and construction than nu-AP
>>10903177then you should have specified, it’s cheap garbage compared to the actual AP release of that design
>>10903119Iirc AP did not collaborate with ONS and gave them this pattern to use. (I could be wrong though).The thing is though with the sewing books is that they sometimes include designs that are almost identical to brand designs. These lookalikes are on purpose imo because readers think it's interesting. It's not illegal to publish a pattern that is almost exactly like a brand design. I don't think brands are all that bothered either. Individuals making replicas or near replicas for themselves doesn't hurt the brand in the same way that a store selling replicas does. You won't see many true brand patterns in ONS (how many brand collabs have there been with ONS?). Brands giving a magazine patterns to publish happened a lot more in the gosurori books.
>>10903119Knockoff doesn’t mean replica, retard.
>>10903163This is adorable and looks really well-made.
>>10903163Why wouldn't you pay $200+ for this?>It's a one of a kind item, the only one in existence>AP inspired>looks decent and will match well with a certain specific print.> or left in bedroom as a plushie
>>10903195>Why wouldn't you pay $200+ for this?Maybe if it was literally anyone else selling it
>>10903199seller's a nutcase but the bag is cute
>>10903180Are you ESL or just weak vocabulary?
>>10903211>imitationReplicas/counterfeit isn’t the same thing as a knockoff. Sorry for your mental deficiency.
>>10903224When are you intending to request that change be made to the dictionary? When it's passed and published let me know.
>>10903224you're confusing knockoff with bootleg.
>like new conditionkek
>>10903654this needs washed...
>>10903261Nayrt but aren’t bootlegs and knockoffs the same thing? They’re just imitations, like fast fashion versions of expensive bags or makeup dupes. Versus 1:1 fakes, which are replicas.
>>10903743nayrt, but ime bootleg, knockoff and replica are often used interchangeably. Personally I kind of expect a bootleg or knockoff to be very similar to the genuine product but if you know what you're looking for you can tell the difference.With replicas, some are "perfect" (down to the tags), some are definitely not perfect and you can tell it's not the genuine product. Since none of these terms guarantees a perfect copy it's kind of meaningless.
>>10903743Kind of but bootlegs are usually trying to pass themselves off as the real thing and trick you, knockoffs are just copying but they aren't necessarily trying to pass themselves off as the real thing.
I thought the seller was annoying for repeatedly listing stuff under the wrong brand and ignoring messages with the right product name and lolibrary links, but now she's apparently a scalper too.
>>10903743bootleg is a replica or counterfeit, usually illegal(like brand purses) knockoff is like trying to be a bootleg but is so distinct or fucked up enough it's obviously fake(like shoes that say nikc instead of nike). you can also think of it in terms of movies, a bootleg is like an illegal theater recording of frozen where a knockoff is the completely different movie called frozen girl that grandparents get tricked by. milanoo is a knockoff, oojia is a bootleg.
>>10903864I am once again asking North Americans to stop accusing Britbongs of scalping when it's more likely they're trying to recoup taxes. VAT, duties & handling fees can very easily double the original price if you buy using an SS who won't let you write the customs declaration yourself.I'm not saying it's a good idea to try to cover these taxes in your resale price because you'll struggle to actually sell anything, but scalping implies profit and that's not what's going on here
>>10903972>VAT, duties & handling fees I have to pay for all of these, my VAT is a smidge higher than the British one. With the shopping service I use and the shipping method I use (which allows me to declare te value of the goods myself) it never doubles the price of a 700rmb dress even if I am honest when declaring the value. She is trying to make a profit.
>>10903972Found the scalper lol cope, everyone sees through your shit.
>>10903972You shoudlnt be adding the fees you got from buying to the price of the dress. That is scalping. Learn to use a better SS and not get customs if you dont want to pay your gov. It is scalping and artificially raises the 2ndhand price.
>>10903998>I'm not saying it's a good idea to try to cover these taxes in your resale price because you'll struggle to actually sell anything, but scalping implies profit and that's not what's going on here
>>10903998even trying to recoup the cost of the VAT and other fees wouldn't double the price of a 700rmb dress, she's trying to make a profit.
>>10903864Does anyone know how much she was actually selling it for? Listing deleted
>>10904006iirc she was asking close to 250$ for it, whilst having paid 700rmb (97$) for it herself according to the comment.
>>10903997>>10904004good ole poorfag vs scalper fight
spend $600 usd on scalper listings and get a free jsk! such a steal gals https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/free-ap-candy-sprinkle-jsk-angelic-pretty
>>10903972fishzoe may live in the UK but she's definitely chinese. she's a pretty obvious scalper but her profit margin is so slim (10%-15% at most) that i don't really care and still buy from her. she still prices at market value so i don't find her particularly egregious.
>>10904075She does sometimes list items with very delusional prices, not just a 10-15% price hike, but a lot of her listings aren't absolutely crazy prices.Regardless buying something on xianyu and then trying to resell for over double the price is very scalpery, and I would also argue her asking price for that dress is not realistic. It's not worth that much.
What is up with Koreans and wildly inflated Moitie prices?
have any of you ever felt guilty leaving a negative review on LM? I've never done it before but I just had a bad time with a sale (new 0 review account, bought item before asking about international shipping, then ghosted). But I also feel like giving this newbie a -1 as their only review will basically blacklist their account, when maybe they just didn't know how LM works. Am I being too soft?
>>10905043i'd give a neutral here. imo negative should be reserved for awful interactions, scams obviously, bait and switch tactics(like asking you to pay BIN price after winning an auction or asking you to pay shipping when it states it's free), undisclosed damages or harassing behaviors. neutral is more for situations that are annoying like being ghosted or someone backing out of a purchase/sale. that's just me of course, and sometimes i will be more harsh with repeat offenders that i'd leave a neutral for otherwise.
>>10905043I do neutral if someone ghosts since no payment or transaction actually took place. But it isn't like they can't make a new account (we've seen countless people remake accounts after too many negative reviews). I wouldn't worry about it too much, anon. Give what you feel is right.
>>10905043Like >>10905066 said, negatives are only for transactions that took place, if you leave a negative a mod can change it to neutral because no actual sale happened.
>>10905048>>10905066>>10905071thanks! I'll definitely leave a neutral. I've seen negative reviews for ghosting when looking at others' accounts but I don't think it's that serious desu
Did memorial cake suddenly get more valuable or is this scalping af?
>>10905493Dropped pic
>>10905493>>10905494How new are you? This is a well-known scalper.
is LM down?
>>10905674it’s working for me
Are you out of your goddamn mind
>>10907865Kek get good or pay scalper prices. This is the way.
>>10907865Bitches love Cinnamoroll
>>10907865I could literally make that ring out of polymer clay for free right now
>>10908076Not justifying the price but are you really comparing polymer clay with AP? If you can make a ring that looks like that out of clay then please, by all means, entertain us.
>>10907951God damn, just go to a Sanrio store, they have shit like that for 10 bucks
>>10908076no you can't. besides the fact that anyone who willingly uses polymer clay over other materials is a talentless idiot, it's made of acrylic so the only way to replicate it at home is resin.
>>10908294what a weird take. Sure, it wouldn't have a transparent glittery sparkle background but there's no reason you can't DIY a decent cinnamaroll ring out of polymer clay. he's got a fairly simple design and I might actually give it a shot when my mica powders come in
>>10908334NTA but it's true. Polymer clay looks like shit no matter what and anyone who uses it is retarded, you're kind of proving the point. Imaging thinking polymer clay and mica powder will look like anything. Enjoy your terrible ring.
>>10908334if you want to make an ugly ring, do it. your initial point is that you can make the same one, which isn't true. no one actually cares about your dumb hobby.
>>10908351>Polymer clay looks like shit no matter whatYeah, no
>>10908370you think these look good? you're kidding right? they look like plastic, especially the cake part itself. there's a reason real brands that make sweets deco use mixed materials. polymer is too plasticky as it's plastic.
>>10908461nta and i wouldn't buy either of these but the ap ring looks like a cheap childrens toy and is literally made out of plastic. sweetfags have atrocious taste.
>>10908461nta but these look like adorable realistic cakes, what are you on about?
>>10907865Sanrio girlies were a mistake.
>poorfag>ita>dress is her holy grail>only worn for 5 minutes>doesn't fit>wants to purchase it againI hate retards who got into the fashion during covid.
>>10908513NTA but there are other companies that make them out of better clays that are designed for this and they look tons better. I think she's saying the cake should be matte, which is correct since cake isn't really shiny like that. >>10908489She's talking about the cake in general looking like plastic, not saying that plastic rings are all bad. I think the execution of those cakes is okay, but as she said using different types of clay for them is good. This entire thing started because anon said she could make an acrylic ring out of polymer, which is wrong. I agree that 99% of polymer clay goods look like pic related and a few good examples don't negate the fact that anon ITT who's going to use mica powder with her polymer clay will make the same low quality junk as my pic.
>>10908370shit taste. get your eyes checked.>>10908703true, honestly all the talented non mass produced clay artists i see usually charge high (ish) prices so i don't know what she's on about with free. maybe not $90, but $40-50 sure.if you don't value high quality work and are only capable of producing garbage that nobody would ever want for free, of course you'd say you can make it "for free right now". even factory made q-pot rings start at ~$60. she's really telling on herself with her lack of ability and poorfagness, really sad
>>10908461ok and what does resin look like moron
>>10908709>all the talented non mass produced clay artists i see usually charge high (ish) prices so i don't know what she's on about with free. maybe not $90, but $40-50 sure.this exactly. what's kind of funny about anon saying she can just MAKE a clay cinnamoroll ring that compares with the acrylic one is that she can just BUY a cheaper acrylic one if she doesn't care about the brand. but the thing is people who care about the brand generally know that's what they're paying for, so it's stupid for anon to even suggest making one is as good just because it looks like the character. AP jewelry is overpriced, but because of the branding, and many people, especially lolitas and sanrio girls LOVE exclusivity like that so obviously the intersection of the two will pay out the ass. i actually sold some older AP jewelry recently for 3x their original price because they were rare(someone dm'd me and offered a ton for it) but for me it was just garbage i got in a lucky pack years ago and never sold. the "one man's trash..." adage definitely applies here, but the idea that something can be made cheaper misses the point entirely even if it's true, which it isn't anyway.
Bb&B Deco literally uses japanese air dry clay and guess what, it's all pretty much the same shit. Just because I can buy sculpey at Joann doesn't mean it dries like model magic. it's all about getting creative with tools and the added details for texture, like mica, microbeads, crystals, a good sealant.
>>10908709I meant I'd make one for myself for free with materials I currently have, not that I'd make anon one lol
>>10908731>>10908732>she thinks polymer clay needs to be sealed>she thinks bb&b is good qualitythe fact that you think this means you're as much of an idiot as everyone's been saying. japanese sweets deco like pic related could never be made from polymer clay because it's just not suited for it. please grow up and stop pretending people care about your hobby, and learn how to read.
>>10908728Anon is talking about the cake, not bashing resin jewelry. I agree that cake shouldn't look like plastic if the intent is trying to make it look realistic. Use your brain to find the context clues.>>10908732She was making fun of you because you said your work would only be worth a few dollars which implies it's shit. >>10908731Japanese resin clays aren't the same as polymer clay, and it doesn't sound like you understand how the clay even works, honestly. Polymer doesn't need to be sealed, it's plastic.
>>10908679I dunno why people feel compelled to write all that unnecessary stuff in sales listings, nobody cares why you are selling it or how much it means to you. Just describe the condition of the item and post enough pics for buyers to make an informed purchase.
>>10908703>I think she's saying the cake should be mattebut it is? only the berries look glossy to me
>>10908756ok, I never said I was going to make this, and obviously polymer clay doesn't NEED a sealant, but you know a good clear coat makes it look better. You're being purposefully obtuse for no reason.
>>10908370How does this looks bad? >>10908461>>10908709Ofc it looks like plastic it's a fantasy plastic necklace, it doesn't have to look like a real cake. Do you also complain about lolita prints not being photorealistic?
>>10909137You're missing the point on purpose, no one is saying plastic necklaces are bad but polymer clay looks cheap. >>10909125No one said you were going to make this, you just can't identify good quality if you think bb&b looks good. No one is being obtuse here but you, you're just a hack and have no business criticizing anything. No one wants your polymer clay abominations.
polymer clay chan is a fucking moron if she's still responding to this thread. it's embarrassing honestly. go make your ugly cinnamoroll, you have too much time on your hands.
This is actually ridiculous
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>>10909625her feedback is so fuckin funny
>>10908801They can help give the impression you’re buying from a real person who isn’t a scalper and probably takes care of their shit.
>>10909626Nayrt, she's flaky. This is just another attempt to reduce the ways in which people can contact her, since she sometimes ghosts her buyers. If she ghosts you after you've bought something from her, and before she provides you with a tracking number and you try to get in contact after a month by messaging her on IG, she'll be offended you went to her "private online space" and block you.
>>10909642she wants no comments bc she had these listed before claiming they were AP and the comments called her out that they're taobao and only like $10
>>10909665It was even worse than I thought.
>>10909665I feel like she should be banned for that
>>10909761that and for having all of that negative feedback because the ghosting rule was 4 maximum but no one has been banned since 2019. there have been hundreds of users like her who should’ve been banned but the sites been abandoned and scammy deadbeats are allowed to roam free.
>>10909778not to wk this retard but the ghosting rule is 4 per year, not 4 all time. her negative seller feedback is the bigger concern desu
>>10909787there are 4 in a year if you count the neutral feedback saying she was a deadbeat buyer
That's it. LM is fucking doomed.
>>10908679why is she selling it if she wants to rebuy it and why does she want to rebuy it if it doesn't fit?
hey, could anyone source this?its h.naoto channel.h, found it at a flea market for 18€
>>10910952Nayrt, I don't know which dress she's talking about (I didn't see a reference) but the dress was probably released in multiple sizes.
>>10909142>>10908756i'm gothic not sweet so i know nothing about sweets jewelry quality. what makes them "good" vs "bad"? desu bb&b looks pretty much the same as all the other sweets jewelry i see, but like i said, far from an expert. so just struggling to figure out the difference
>>10910939They didn't even spell it right!
>>10911215it's a replica, did someone actually buy it?
>>10911183Design wise, it’s the same thing that makes squishmallows and western “kawaii” items ugly while plain Japanese cutesy stuff like Rilakkuma are cute. Visually the proportions and style are often off and uglier. Usually there are areas where there’s too much detail/“realisticness” and not enough in others, resulting in an uncanny look. Would you take a shitty Killstar dress me say it’s the same thing as a moitie dress because they’re both black and lacey? Same concept. There are times where Japanese makers make some ugly ass jewelry and Western makers (not BBandB) who have cute work though, but usually the best designs are not made by westerners.Quality wise, BB and B is strongly reminiscent of taobao jewelry that used to be more easily accessible in the early 2010s, with the same cheap pearls and metal findings. The only difference is that those necklaces were $5-20 max. I’m sure people would be fine with the quality though if their works weren’t so fucking ugly and overpriced.
>>10911216it got taken down
Insane.
>>10911665you're just mad that you can't afford it, poorfag.
>>10911667I’m not mad, hope the prices keep going up so I can eventually sell my shit for as much as I can. Just astonished someone would pay that for a skirt, would expect that for an jsk or op.
>>10911665pretty sure the buyer worked out a trade with the seller and just placed the BIN to stop the auction
>>10911665crazy that’s it’s easier to believe someone bought a skirt for $999 than for you to take 3 seconds to see that it was partially a trade post. You people lack the ability of cognitive thinking
>>10911665This seller buys everything and anything just for the bragging rights and complains about how she can't afford the luxury of owning a car or paying outstanding medical bills.
Someone needs to ban her atp
>>10912647They need to ban all the scalpers ffs.
>>10912653The fact that they havent already reflects badly on them. Its just exploiting new people interested in the fashion and making it harder for people to get good deals elsewhere since scalpers buy them up instantly to resell.
>>10912685Wouldn't the scalpers still buy up all the good deals and just resell them elsewhere?
>>10912686It’s be far less profitable and harder to sell, lacemarket is easily the biggest western platform, doesn’t take any fees, uses PayPal which has more reliable seller protection, and has far less flakes/difficulty to use than something like Facebook marketplace. Chinese/Japanese/Korean girls all have their own sites and groups where they can buy pieces they want for cheaper, other than a few coveted OTT sweet pieces rich Chinese lolitas would pay scalped prices for I don’t think many of them buy on lacemarket. Better they get banned, though mods don’t give a fuck because their previous (?) mod was already a notorious scalper.
>>10912696i can't remember the last time i ordered anything from lacemarket. it's practically unusable at this point.
>>10912647Are they even a lolita? Almost every dress and blouse has a replacement button inside, it's not something special enough to sell extra.>>10912671Can't blame her, people are paying batshit insane prices for old school lately.
>>10912671it'll probably go over 1k honestly it's met>>10912671a gobelin set what do you expect
>>10912671 #it'll probably go over 1k honestlyit's meta gobelin set what do you expect
>>10912696If we could have mods ban scalpers & resellers i think the world would be a better place. They arent even profiting off of them, unless theyre slipping them money under the table, so whats the fucking point??
